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Nimii
I always found Malayalam a sweet language. It is a bit sing a song when spoken.

It is an interesting thing to note that most of the south indian languages have lot of words with a bit of change in the sound so similar. Dr.Unni what does thou have to say here?

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unni
QUOTE(Nimii @ Nov 4 2004, 10:22 AM)
I always found Malayalam a sweet language.  It is a bit sing a song when spoken.

It is an interesting thing to note that most of the south indian languages have lot of words with a bit of change in the sound so similar. Dr.Unni what does thou have to say here?

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I guess that over time, with the inter-mingling of people/communities, a lot of words have become common to several languages, except they are pronounced differently. In the Palghat area the Tamil spoken is mixed with Malayalam, both in use of words as well as the intonation. Unless I am mistaken, Tamil was not Sanskrit-based, whereas the other South Indian languages were. Yet now there are numerous words in Tamil that are similar in other languages of the South.

(I have not learnt to read or write Malayalam, and my spoken vocabulary is very limited. In fact while listening to Malayalam songs I don't understand most of the words. My understanding of Hindi/Urdu is far better. And during almost 30 years of marriage I've never had a real conversation with my mother-in-law --- she is hesitant to speak in English and me in Tamil! Of course, my wife doesn't understand me in any language. tongue.gif )
Nimii
Now that is something I must say!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well you atleast know a few words in malayalam biggrin.gif

Wife doesnt understand u in any language?? how can that be wink2.gif

Pyar ki basha haina biggrin.gif

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Nimii
I can understand a wee bit of malayalam. More so coz my B-i-l is from Kochi (a konk from Kochi-Ernakulam). Also since I am well versed in Tamil (can R/w/s) it helps too!

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unni
QUOTE(Nimii @ Nov 4 2004, 10:38 AM)
Pyar ki basha haina biggrin.gif
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That's proven by the fact that we have two daughters ---- who speak only English! tongue.gif

Yesterday I was woken up by the sound of Sanskrit slokas in an American accent --- my daughter saying her prayers aloud before leaving for work. smile1.gif
SAJJAD
QUOTE(unni @ Nov 4 2004, 08:01 PM)
And during almost 30 years of marriage I've never had a real conversation with my mother-in-law --- she is hesitant to speak in English and me in Tamil!  Of course
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WOW -U r a lucky man! Honestly, i get along fine with my mother in law and my 2 sister in laws wink2.gif I only have little problem with my father in law & brother in law blab.gif They r totally opposite ph34r.gif
Nimii
<<Yesterday I was woken up by the sound of Sanskrit slokas in an American accent --- my daughter saying her prayers aloud before leaving for work>>

Be happy that they are saying their prayers in Sanskrit even tho it has an accent smile1.gif

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Chitralekha
QUOTE(unni @ Nov 4 2004, 07:31 AM)
Of course, my wife doesn't undertand me in any language. tongue.gif )
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Spoken like a wise man biggrin.gif
Nimii
Well atleast he understands "HIS WIFE's LANGUAGE"

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hits
To chip in...yes, it's a flowing language. Very mellifluos....and in that sense, a bit like French in the Franco-Prussian group of languages.

Hits
Nimii
Here is something I found -

Of the many theories of origin, the most popular ones claim that Malayalam was born out of the confluence of Tamil and Sanskrit, that it originated out of Sanskrit alone, and that both Malayalam and Tamil came out of a single proto-language. In his Comparative Grammar of Dravidian Languages (1875), Bishop Robert Caldwell argued that Malayalam evolved out of Tamil and that the process took place during the Sangam period (first five centuries of the Common Era) when Kerala belonged to the larger political unit called Tamilakam, the apogee of Dravidian civilization.

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ps: Btw hits!! Are you a malayalee too????????????????
hits
QUOTE(Nimii @ Nov 5 2004, 10:33 PM)
Here is something I found -

Of the many theories of origin, the most popular ones claim that Malayalam was born out of the confluence of Tamil and Sanskrit, that it originated out of Sanskrit alone, and that both Malayalam and Tamil came out of a single proto-language. In his Comparative Grammar of Dravidian Languages (1875), Bishop Robert Caldwell argued that Malayalam evolved out of Tamil and that the process took place during the Sangam period (first five centuries of the Common Era) when Kerala belonged to the larger political unit called Tamilakam, the apogee of Dravidian civilization.

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ps: Btw hits!! Are you a malayalee too????????????????
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Yes, I am.
Nimii
OOOOOhhh good good we have one more malayalee among ourselves smile1.gif

We must make a statistics on language basis of the members biggrin.gif

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tres
QUOTE(unni @ Nov 4 2004, 08:14 PM)

That's proven by the fact that we have two daughters ---- who speak only English! tongue.gif



With every new generation our mother-toungue seems to be going for a toss... I could never master it well (can speak a little bit but not write) and i know with my future kids it will be even worse..

These days i see many malayalee couples who resort to speak in hindi/english among themselves rather than in malayalam.
dileep_kuwait2
It is true that Malayalam is a sweet language and v would love to teach our children to Read & write Malayalam. But here we are already painfully seeing them learning English, Arrabic and hindi from their frist standard. So we don't know how to force them to learn Malayalam too.
unni
In my humble opinion, the best way to teach children a language is for the parents to speak only that language at home. The kids will learn English and Hindi in school (and Arabic in the Middle-East). The parents do not have to teach them those languages.

I learnt this lesson from my own experience. At the time I moved abroad from India, my elder daughter was 6 years old. She then spoke Tamil fluently (my wife is a Tamilian). Within 6 months, my daughter stopped speaking Tamil but would answer in English the questions put to her in Tamil. But then, the only common language in our home is English, since my Tamil is scanty and my wife's Malayalam is negligible.

Whereas I've never lived in Kerala, never studied Malayalam, cannot read or write in the language. Yet it is for me, literally my mother-tongue, for that was the only language in which I could communicate with my mother. If I speak Malayalam, however badly, it is only because it was spoken at home.

I was all admiration for a couple I met. The husband is from India and the wife from Switzerland. Their two sons spoke Hindi, German, French and Italian, apart from English! The parents take the credit for that.
unni
In my humble opinion, the best way to teach children a language is for the parents to speak only that language at home. The kids will learn English and Hindi in school (and Arabic in the Middle-East). The parents do not have to teach them those languages.

I learnt this lesson from my own experience. At the time I moved abroad from India, my elder daughter was 6 years old. She then spoke Tamil fluently (my wife is a Tamilian). Within 6 months, my daughter stopped speaking Tamil but would answer in English the questions put to her in Tamil. But then, the only common language in our home is English, since my Tamil is scanty and my wife's Malayalam is negligible.

Whereas I've never lived in Kerala, never studied Malayalam, cannot read or write in the language. Yet it is for me, literally my mother-tongue, for that was the only language in which I could communicate with my mother. If I speak Malayalam, however badly, it is only because it was spoken at home.

I was all admiration for a couple I met. The husband is from India and the wife from Switzerland. Their two sons spoke Hindi, German, French and Italian, apart from English! The parents take the credit for that.
tres
QUOTE(unni @ Jun 3 2005, 07:19 PM)
.. But then, the only common language in our home is English, since my Tamil is scanty and my wife's Malayalam is negligible.



That's gonna be repeated in my case as well, now that i am getting married to an Assamese girl!! Speaking Malayalam is out of question since she can't even speak in Hindi..

Just imagine what happens when my kids learn Assamese (i don't know a word in assamese!).. I shudder at the thought of them using that language in future whenever they (my wife and kids) are conspiring something against me! NO WAY! The best option is to teach my wife Hindi and my kids both Hindi and Malayalam.. laugh.gif
dileep_kuwait2
So your house will become a language school. clap1.gif
Nimii
Tres not fair tongue.gif

I think both you and she should learn each others' mother tongue and the kids should learn both languages too smile1.gif

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bibhas
QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 9 2005, 06:26 AM)
Tres not fair tongue.gif

I think both you and she should learn each others' mother tongue and the kids should learn both languages too smile1.gif

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I agree. My 4-yr old niece can speak English, Hindi, german (baby-sitter), Telugu (dad) and Bengali (mom). I think it's b'cos my bro & s-i-l took time to learn Telugu and Bengali and spoke to the kid in their respective mother tongues.
tres
QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 9 2005, 03:56 PM)
Tres not fair tongue.gif

I think both you and she should learn each others' mother tongue and the kids should learn both languages too smile1.gif

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it's gonna be a tough time for me.. should that be a case. I will surely end up having a confused family speaking a new lang ultimately - a mixture of Malayalam, Hindi, English and Assamese.. ,

Ksamaa kariba, enique ninde not even one setence samaj aaya.. laugh.gif
dileep_kuwait2
If you happen to shift somewhere in Mideast, you will have a combination that includes Arabic as well. It will become a totally new language
gkshyam
Oh Well....Unni......I wasn't aware of that situation in your household.....Must've had quite a tough time in the beginning, right? wink2.gif

Also....I agree with you Tres......I stay in Mumbai......and I've seen innumerable......(really lost count....guess almost 90%) Malayalee families using Hindi as their main spoken language at home......And in all the cases, the kids at home.....are not so confident with Malayalam.......(can speak a bit broken Malayalam though)....Definitely the fault lies with the parents.......If this tradition goes on.......in the future.......All the languages (not only Malayalam) will die a slow death....definitely in terms of quality.... unsure.gif

Another thing to note here is that everyone knows the employment situation in Kerala.....and with all the communalism prevelant there....More and more ppl are migrating elsewhere.....either to "Gelf" or to other parts of India, in search of jobs.......once they start a family there.....thats it.......the kids and parents and everyone is conversing in Hindi or English.....or some such language........Possibly the families sticking to Kerala as their home, may not have this bad a problem.....But with more ppl getting out of Kerala.....the future looks uncertain........... unsure.gif

(And even in the cases in other cities where the parents or children speak Malayalam at home.....its not the traditional Malayalam that we know of.......they speak a cocktail kind of Malayalam......with other local accents and words coming in.....even the parents....) smile1.gif
bhanuvarma
QUOTE(gkshyam @ Jun 13 2005, 07:29 PM)
Oh Well....Unni......I wasn't aware of that situation in your household.....Must've had quite  a tough time in the beginning, right? wink2.gif

Also....I agree with you Tres......I stay in Mumbai......and I've seen innumerable......(really lost count....guess almost 90%) Malayalee families using Hindi as their main spoken language at home......And in all the cases, the kids at home.....are not so confident with Malayalam.......(can speak a bit broken Malayalam though)....Definitely the fault lies with the parents.......If this tradition goes on.......in the future.......All the languages (not only Malayalam) will die a slow death....definitely in terms of quality.... unsure.gif

Another thing to note here is that everyone knows the employment situation in Kerala.....and with all the communalism prevelant there....More and more ppl are migrating elsewhere.....either to "Gelf" or to other parts of India, in search of jobs.......once they start a family there.....thats it.......the kids and parents and everyone is conversing in Hindi or English.....or some such language........Possibly the families sticking to Kerala as their home, may not have this bad a problem.....But with more ppl getting out of Kerala.....the future looks uncertain........... unsure.gif

(And even in the cases in other cities where the parents or children speak Malayalam at home.....its not the traditional Malayalam that we know of.......they speak a cocktail kind of Malayalam......with other local accents and words coming in.....even the parents....) smile1.gif
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May I, another confirmed MALLU, butt into this very interesting 7 months old thread to offer my thoughts???? poseur.gif

I agree with the fact that very soon the influence of mother toungue is going to die a slow death if parents continued to encourage use of languages, other than the mother toungue, at home....however, I have honestly noticed this trend ONLY AMONG MALLUS.... I have personally come across Gujjus hitting it off in Gujju from the word GO, two tamils will probe each other just enuf to know that they r Tamils and then its Tamil all the way....Maharashtrians would 'amhi-marathi-manus' each other and carry on....Its only among Mallus that i have noticed a strange shame in acknowledging that they are Mallus....They gladly admit (with relief, many a times) that they know nothing of the language and they can speak in bits and pieces only......Ahhhhhhhh welllllll, strange are the ways of the world!!!!!! cry.gif sad1.gif arrogant.gif abuse.gif blink.gif doh.gif

As for me, urs truly can read, write and converse Malayalam, verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry fluently thumbs-up.gif
hits
QUOTE(bhanuvarma @ Jun 14 2005, 12:28 PM)
May I, another confirmed MALLU, butt into this very interesting 7 months old thread to offer my thoughts????  poseur.gif 

I agree with the fact that very soon the influence of mother toungue is going to die a slow death if parents continued to encourage use of languages, other than the mother toungue, at home....however, I have honestly noticed this trend ONLY AMONG MALLUS.... I have personally come across Gujjus hitting it off in Gujju from the word GO, two tamils will probe each other just enuf to know that they r Tamils and then its Tamil all the way....Maharashtrians would 'amhi-marathi-manus' each other and carry on....Its only among Mallus that i have noticed a strange shame in acknowledging that they are Mallus....They gladly admit (with relief, many a times) that they know nothing of the language and they can speak in bits and pieces only......Ahhhhhhhh welllllll, strange are the ways of the world!!!!!!  cry.gif  sad1.gif  arrogant.gif  abuse.gif  blink.gif  doh.gif

As for me, urs truly can read, write and converse Malayalam, verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry fluently thumbs-up.gif
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Ditto.
tres
QUOTE(bhanuvarma @ Jun 14 2005, 11:58 PM)

....Its only among Mallus that i have noticed a strange shame in acknowledging that they are Mallus....They gladly admit (with relief, many a times) that they know nothing of the language and they can speak in bits and pieces only......



Very true.. I will relate u all an incidence..

Few years back i was exploring a marriage proposal for myself. The girl hailed from a Malayalam family, residing in Mumbai.

A common friend of ours called me up to tell me that they (ladkiwaale) were expecting me to go and visit them. I told myself, 'Yea.. it had to be like that.. so let it be like that'. But what if they start firing rapid questions in Malayalam the moment they see me??? Well, I will tell them that since I was born and brought up in Bhilai, my Malayalam sucks! But what if the girl was born in Mumbai and hers was still fluent?

Finally, I asked this common friend to tell them that I’d prefer to meet the girl at a coffee joint before meeting her family up.. They seemed to be keen on accepting whatever proposals I were making, for they did agree to it! A meeting place and time was fixed; and never once I had a chance to talk to her in between (for some strange reasons I myself avoided it!)

Driving down to that meeting-place I kept wondering how to start? The obvious 'Hi!' will have to be followed by either a Malayalam sentence or an English one.. I decided to shoot off with English.. Yes. 'Hi! How do u do... Let me first apologize for having kept you waiting for so long!' (I was already late by 15mins).

I sensed I wanted to avoid Malayalam in every possible way!

I found her waiting for me at the entrance of the joint (I had seen her photograph earlier). Parking my vehicle and sporting a big apologetic grin on my face, I approached her. But before I could even blurt out a word, she raised her warning index finger towards me and said, "Please, don't expect me to speak in Malayalam.. My Malayalam sucks!"

laugh.gif Can't tell u how glad I was at that time.. But later that night I really regretted once again for being so poor in my mother-tongue..
gkshyam
Yes BhanuVarma, Hits and Tres......Exactly the kind of thing I was talking about......This is the same point I wanted to drive home......And BhanuVarma..You are absolutely right.......I've too seen this happen only in case of Mallus......and the worst part is.....they are shameless enough to openly acknowledge about their poor knowledge of their mother-toungue......to the extent that....they make a joke of it...and laugh themselves..... tongue.gif laugh.gif .....and they go on and on in English talking about their poor hand at Malayalam......as if that's a status symbol of sorts!!!!! Really strange are the ways of the world.....Hmmm...... smile1.gif
gkshyam
Namaskaaram......I'm in a nice mood to share an old anecdote that happened with me when I was about 6-7 years old.... smile.gif

(Writing this in English for the 'benefit' of all the non-mallus...and all the mallus who aren't confident with their mother-toungue... tongue.gif )

It so happened that....during one of my first school vacations...(I must've been in 2nd standard or something.... )...I had been to Kerala with my family....to visit our native places......And one of the important stops in our long trip was "Irinjalakuda" (Trichur district), which happens to be my mother's native......And one of the days during our stay there....my grandmother took me on a round to the nearby homes...to visit people over there.....(some old friends of theirs.....and some neighbours etc.)

And I was a boy who would mingle with anybody easily at that time... tongue.gif .....

Now comes the bomber......I didn't know a single letter in MALAYALAM!!!! tongue.gif smile1.gif HAHAHAHA!!! smile1.gif

And we were sitting outside one of the houses...in the porch.....and my grandmother and the lady of that house were in deep conversation......and I was just having a nice time...looking here and there.....and smiling at them......smile1.gif

Then...that lady suddenly started to converse with me.....And Then I suddenly realised...."HEYY.....What is she talking....I can't understand anything!!! rolleyes.gif " (What an early realisation!!!;)) But I was not a boy who was going to leave it so easily......I decided to try my best to answer her properly.....(Irrespective of whether I understood her or not!!! tongue.gif poseur.gif )

And she asked me some simple questions....like my name......where do I stay etc.....which I could understand in some way....and I was "Smartly" answering her in one word......(Name..place etc....) And finally...she asked me a question......"Nee Sukkoolil (School) pohunnale? Leavil ivade vannutundalle........Ninde School eppo "Pookum"????"

Now.....I understood 99% of what she asked......but had no CLUE of what "Pookum" means!!!! laugh.gif But I didn't want to "GIVE UP" at the same time.....(Hehehehe.....what a kid I must've been.....wink2.gif) And I gave her a blank look....and repeated the word "Pookum???" (In an interrogative fashion....laugh.gif)

And..Paavam.....that lady....said...."Pokum...paranyaal......June, July, August.....angene.......ippo aana pookunnade????"

Now......the "SMART" kid that I was.......only understood....that the question had "something on earth to do with the name of a MONTH!!!!" Had no clue what she meant.........but I knew...she needed some name of the month as the answer....:LOL... And I coolly said....."July" (Only because that was one of the names she took....wink2.gif) And she replied....."Ohh..ohh.....Julaaayil pookunno sukkool......angene aanelle......" And I was Ssooooooo proud that I 'managed' the situation so well......without knowing anything in that language.....smile1.gif

Only much later....after getting to know the language better......did I recollect that incident..and realise that she actually wanted to know when was my school re-opening....smile1.gif (Which was supposed to be in June)...and I had so nicely said July to her!!!!! Hehehhee..... poseur.gif

That was my 'first' "BRUSH" with this wonderful language.......Can't help laughing whenever I recollect this one!!!! smile1.gif Btw.....this was only the FIRST of the Mannnyyyyyy such incidents....that were to follow....
gkshyam
Ee Forum Eppo aane pookunnade??? tongue.gif
gkshyam
Ellorum evideaane poyada??? Ee Forum Eppo Aane Pookunnade???? unsure.gif ???
unni
QUOTE(gkshyam @ Jul 2 2005, 07:17 AM)
Ellorum evideaane poyada??? Ee Forum Eppo Aane Pookunnade???? unsure.gif ???
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Njaan Malayalam samsaarichu thudangiyal, ningal ellam odi poghum. tongue.gif
Priya
Adu enda? English samsarikyunadu pole kaiyyil dictionaryum thesaurusum ille? tongue.gif
unni
QUOTE(priya @ Jul 2 2005, 08:03 AM)
Adu enda? English samsarikyunadu pole kaiyyil dictionaryum thesaurusum ille? tongue.gif
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Malayalam vaayikyaan ariyadey Dictionaryum Thesaursum engeney upayojikyum? sad1.gif
Priya
QUOTE(unni @ Jul 2 2005, 05:35 PM)
QUOTE(priya @ Jul 2 2005, 08:03 AM)
Adu enda? English samsarikyunadu pole kaiyyil dictionaryum thesaurusum ille? tongue.gif
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Malayalam vaayikyaan ariyadey Dictionaryum Thesaursum engeney upayojikyum? sad1.gif
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Ayyo eyaale puratu aakuka. Malayalam yaayikyan ariyaata Malayalee. blab.gif
Adu kondu alle most literate stateenu paranyu vittadu.
(Good heavens how long can we go on with this!!!! Writing Mal in Eng sure is tough!!!!!! laugh.gif )
unni
QUOTE(priya @ Jul 2 2005, 08:11 AM)
QUOTE(unni @ Jul 2 2005, 05:35 PM)
QUOTE(priya @ Jul 2 2005, 08:03 AM)
Adu enda? English samsarikyunadu pole kaiyyil dictionaryum thesaurusum ille? tongue.gif
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Malayalam vaayikyaan ariyadey Dictionaryum Thesaursum engeney upayojikyum? sad1.gif
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Ayyo eyaale puratu aakuka. Malayalam yaayikyan ariyaata Malayalee. blab.gif
Adu kondu alle most literate stateenu paranyu vittadu.
(Good heavens how long can we go on with this!!!! Writing Mal in Eng sure is tough!!!!!! laugh.gif )
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English Englishilu ezhuthaan thanney enikyu prayasam aanu! sad1.gif
Priya
Namude 'duel' Malayalathil nadathiyaal engane irrikyum? tongue.gif
Nyaan jeykyum alle? smile1.gif
unni
QUOTE(priya @ Jul 2 2005, 08:26 AM)
Namude 'duel' Malayalathil nadathiyaal engane irrikyum? tongue.gif
Nyaan jeykyum alle? smile1.gif
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Anganeyengilum enney tholpikanam, alley? abuse.gif Njaan anuvadikkillya. angry2.gif
gkshyam
Sheriyaayittu Paranyu Priya.....Ningalde 'Duel' Malayalattil nadatiyaal ningal tanne jeykyum..... Hehehehe .... smile1.gif wink2.gif Unni Saare...Ningalde dictionary, thesaurus okka evide vechittunda?? Malayalam type cheyyan prayasam aanangil XP voice-to-text type undello sahayikyaan??? wink2.gif
unni
QUOTE(gkshyam @ Jul 2 2005, 08:58 AM)
Sheriyaayittu Paranyu Priya.....Ningalde 'Duel' Malayalattil nadatiyaal ningal tanne jeykyum..... Hehehehe .... smile1.gif wink2.gif  Unni Saare...Ningalde dictionary, thesaurus okka evide vechittunda?? Malayalam type cheyyan prayasam aanangil XP voice-to-text type undello sahayikyaan??? wink2.gif
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Ayyo! XP American Malayalatthil text ezhudum. doh.gif
Nimii
Yo guys parayo and me nothing ariyos tongue.gif
unni
N:

The rest of them are pandits in Mallu-lingo. Me sticking to one line msgs. sad1.gif
gkshyam
Nimmi: Yo guys parayo and me nothing ariyos tongue.gif

Well Nimmi....that 'ariyos' sounded like "Adieos"..... smile1.gif Hehehhee wink2.gif
Nimii
Unni.. atleast neengal koncham ariyo.. me going blink blink like the TL choke has gone kaput!


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Nimii
QUOTE(gkshyam @ Jul 2 2005, 06:54 PM)
Nimmi: Yo guys parayo and me nothing ariyos tongue.gif

Well Nimmi....that 'ariyos' sounded like "Adieos"..... smile1.gif Hehehhee wink2.gif
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Shyamu! grrr rombo kindal thaan!

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Priya
QUOTE(unni @ Jul 2 2005, 06:25 PM)
QUOTE(priya @ Jul 2 2005, 08:26 AM)
Namude 'duel' Malayalathil nadathiyaal engane irrikyum? tongue.gif
Nyaan jeykyum alle? smile1.gif
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Anganeyengilum enney tholpikanam, alley? abuse.gif Njaan anuvadikkillya. angry2.gif
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Aha!!! Allangil ningal aanu jeikyunathu enna vicharam? poseur.gif Aaru paranyu? angry2.gif
Mone swapnalogatheenu erangi va!!!! laugh.gif
Priya
QUOTE(unni @ Jul 2 2005, 06:48 PM)
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The rest of them are pandits in Mallu-lingo. Me sticking to one line msgs. sad1.gif
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In one hour. With great dificulty!!!!! rollf.gif
Priya
Yo Nimii!!! No bringing in Tamil here. abuse.gif Malayalam tanne kurachu kurachu arriyullu. Tamil teriyaadu. sad1.gif
Lata
ippo uunt vannu pahaad ke neeche......enda Unniji ab boliye;) tongue.gif
Priya
QUOTE(Lata @ Jul 2 2005, 07:14 PM)
ippo uunt vannu pahaad ke neeche......enda Unniji ab boliye;)  tongue.gif
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Angane parayalle mole Lata!!!
Ottakam malayude adeeyil vannu ennu parayu.
Pakshe Unni korangan alle? unsure.gif
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