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Whether we can talk with God directly

A devotee asked a question about the possibility of talking with God directly. He should investigate the human incarnation at present and can talk directly. The procedure to identify the human incarnation based on the scriptures is extensively explained by Me in several answers to the questions that are placed in the web-site (www.universal-spirituality.org). One has to identify the present human incarnation using that procedure, in which the inseparable characteristics of God in the human incarnation are well explained. God is coming in human form in every human generation. If He had come only in a particular human generation God becomes partial to that generation only. God wants to talk with His devotees to please them by clearing all their doubts. This is the main purpose of the human incarnation of God. If you don’t believe the human incarnation you need not approach the human incarnation.

But there is a devotee like Jyothi, who is very much anxious to talk with God. You can neither object her nor the God to take the human form. You carry on your representative worship. She is not objecting you. If you don’t want to purchase the original diamonds do not purchase. But you should not object a person who wants to purchase the original diamond. Thus God provided both the ways separately. You purchase the artificial diamonds and let somebody purchases the original diamond. Those who want to pray God without talking with God, let them have the representative worship having formless God or statues. Those who want to pray, talk and worship the living God, let them have the human incarnation. You should not object the desire of other devotee and also the God who is capable to fulfill the desire of that devotee.
tempsur
no one can talk with god

If someone talk with god they have mental problems. schizophrenia

we can only have a conscouslevel contact god.
No talk is necassary. talking is an absurd idea.
contact is made through knowing god.
we become one. Now love flows between god and his devotee

and by the way there is nothing to be said to him. He knows everything
and what devotee wants to hear?
he wont need to hear anything either when he truly realises god

words are complete failure for contact with god
Its an improper medium

and if someone claims they are human incarnation of god, they are either fraud or psychos

be careful about these frauds. If you really want to reach god, you dont need ANY mediator

dattaswami
QUOTE(dattaswami @ Jul 28 2007, 01:27 PM) *

Whether we can talk with God directly

A devotee asked a question about the possibility of talking with God directly. He should investigate the human incarnation at present and can talk directly. The procedure to identify the human incarnation based on the scriptures is extensively explained by Me in several answers to the questions that are placed in the web-site (www.universal-spirituality.org). One has to identify the present human incarnation using that procedure, in which the inseparable characteristics of God in the human incarnation are well explained. God is coming in human form in every human generation. If He had come only in a particular human generation God becomes partial to that generation only. God wants to talk with His devotees to please them by clearing all their doubts. This is the main purpose of the human incarnation of God. If you don’t believe the human incarnation you need not approach the human incarnation.

But there is a devotee like Jyothi, who is very much anxious to talk with God. You can neither object her nor the God to take the human form. You carry on your representative worship. She is not objecting you. If you don’t want to purchase the original diamonds do not purchase. But you should not object a person who wants to purchase the original diamond. Thus God provided both the ways separately. You purchase the artificial diamonds and let somebody purchases the original diamond. Those who want to pray God without talking with God, let them have the representative worship having formless God or statues. Those who want to pray, talk and worship the living God, let them have the human incarnation. You should not object the desire of other devotee and also the God who is capable to fulfill the desire of that devotee.


God's existence is experienced through human incarnation

When God enters the human body, God has not become the human body. God is in the human body. Therefore, the human body is not God. You can only experience God through human body. Therefore, by seeing the human body you have not seen God, but you have only experienced God through that human body. Therefore, God is invisible. Of course, a devotee can be satisfied by treating the human body as God and can feel satisfied that he has seen God. From this angle Veda says, “A blessed fellow has seen God” (Kaschit Dhirah…..).

This is only an assumption. You can assume an electric wire as the current because you experience current by touching the wire anywhere. Therefore, for all practical purposes the electric wire is current. Thus, there is a very narrow delicate margin between the reality and assumption in this case. To solve this very delicate difference, you can say that the wire is current from the point of experience of the existence of current and thus this assumption is perfectly correct. But if you say that you have seen the current, the reality comes and in this case you have seen only the wire and not the current because current is invisible. Therefore, the conclusion is that you can experience the existence of current through the wire but you cannot see the current actually. Thus, God’s existence is experienced through the human incarnation but God is not imagined.

Gita says that no body knows God (Mamtu Veda Nakaschana…). This verse establishes the complete unimaginably of God. Again Gita says that one blessed devotee in millions can experience the existence God (Kaschit mam….).These two verses will contradict with each other if you say that the first verse means that no body knows God and second verse means that one knows God. The first verse means that the real nature or form of God cannot be known. The second verse means that the existence of God can be known. Veda also says these two sides. Several Vedic statements reveal that God is completely unimaginable and can never be known. In Veda Lord Yama says that they have come to know that God cannot be known. This statement indicates the point that God is completely unimaginable. Veda again says that only the existence of God can be known. This statement does not contradict the first statement. Thus, Veda and Gita are exactly synchronised in this context.

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

dattaswami
QUOTE(tempsur @ Aug 3 2007, 07:00 AM) *

no one can talk with god

If someone talk with god they have mental problems. schizophrenia

we can only have a conscouslevel contact god.
No talk is necassary. talking is an absurd idea.
contact is made through knowing god.
we become one. Now love flows between god and his devotee

and by the way there is nothing to be said to him. He knows everything
and what devotee wants to hear?
he wont need to hear anything either when he truly realises god

words are complete failure for contact with god
Its an improper medium

and if someone claims they are human incarnation of god, they are either fraud or psychos

be careful about these frauds. If you really want to reach god, you dont need ANY mediator


The present alive human incarnation is the presiding deity of this earth

The energetic forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc., are the presiding deities of the corresponding upper worlds. Similarly, the present alive human incarnation is the presiding deity of this earth in the corresponding human generation. The energetic forms are permanent and are the various forms of God, which correspond to the souls that entered those worlds. Thus, God exists simultaneously in various energetic forms in the upper world.

In the human incarnation the human body is always temporary since the five elements in the body try to separate. According to science also this is proved because the body is in higher state of free energy compared to the native state of the five elements. But, in a generation of humanity, God can exist in various human forms simultaneously in various regions or in the same region with different programs.

Shri Shiridi Sai Baba and Sri Akkolkot Maharaj (Previous Human Incarnations) existed in the same region and in the same time with slight difference in their programs. Depending on the various levels of the spiritual aspirants, the liberated souls also exist in various human forms to support the main program of God.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org


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