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Reeth
Although Ghosts and Apparitions have been reported for thousands of years, surprisingly very little
informatiom is available with regard to their nature or essence.
Ghosts are elusive and unpredictable, and, the ways in which they manifest are surprisingly diverse.
Contrary to popular belief most ,ghostly encounters are not visual but rather consist of noises, smell
sensations,voices, cold spots,electrical disturbances such as lights switching on and off,displacement
or movement of objects. The available data on this is prone to exaggeration and sometime outright
deceit.

studies suggest that approximateli 1 in 10 of us has the ability to perceive ghosts, those of us
who are actively looking for them are apparently the least likely ones to have a ghostly experience....
Children seem more apt to experience manifestations....
Women seem more attuned than men....
There are several interesting theories regarding the basics of ghostly manifestations

Ghosts are the earth bound souls of the deceased
This is the most common interpretation.....for most of us this theory is comforting, as it hints at a life
after the physical body is gone...
The theory is tht when the physical body dies this energy continues in some form and can be tapped
by living persons sensitive enough to perceive it....

Events are somehow recorded in certain surroundings to be replayed over and over to living people sensitive enough to discern them....

This theory accounts for a lot of our ghost legends and likely the source of all hauntings that repeat again
and again...
Frightening as these type of manifestations may be, the apparition is not a thinking entity, nor does it have
a will or a purpose, and it is no more a threat to an observer than watching a chracter on a telivision...

Ghosts are actual beings living in one or more parallel dimensions

To put it simply, this theory suggests that there are one or more complete universes co-existing with us

Ghosts exist only as Figments of our imagination

This theory can be made to apply to every kind of paranormal manifestation there is,and in some case it
is probably at least in part correct.
However there are still a lot of questions left unanswered by this theory, such as when more than one
person sees the same phenomenon....Skeptics use the term 'Mass hysteria' for situations like
this, but nobody has offered an explaination for the core catalyst causing many brains to suddenly go
haywire.....
This Theory needs a lot of research.....Only time will tell....
In the meantime....here are some photographs of ghotly manifestations... ph34r.gif
Girl in the graveyard.......she appeared in the photograph!!!!!
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The man seems to have come out of a tombstone in the graveyard......
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Please come forward with your own views, theories and personal experiences if any......... biggrin.gif



noorie
Ghosts exist. I've seen them, un4tunately I can't talk about it.

Noorie
Reeth
QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 11 2007, 10:53 PM) *

Ghosts exist. I've seen them, un4tunately I can't talk about it.

Noorie


blab.gif Why not noorie? Plz plz share yur experience, it will be great to hear about a personal encounter....plz smile.gif
YaarMere
QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 11 2007, 06:23 PM) *

Ghosts exist. I've seen them, un4tunately I can't talk about it.

Noorie


Yo man, dont be a killjoy. Reeth yaar talk to her, get her to open up!
YaarMere
Believe this.
Reeth
QUOTE(YaarMere @ Apr 12 2007, 06:10 PM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 11 2007, 06:23 PM) *

Ghosts exist. I've seen them, un4tunately I can't talk about it.

Noorie


Yo man, dont be a killjoy. Reeth yaar talk to her, get her to open up!


biggrin.gif I am sure she will...


QUOTE(YaarMere @ Apr 12 2007, 06:53 PM) *

Believe this.


hey tht's awesome..........Spooooky afraid.gif
noorie
You won't believe me anyway. Grownups' never do. It's just a 'story'. Well it's not!

Noorie
nasir
Interesting thread REETH - thread that I had in mind to start but was afraid to....

I have one experience. This I had given a hint in a reply to Sajdah in the song translation thread. The year was 1964 or 1965. I can relate it if you say. smile.gif

Secondly, some people think that even a good soul is a ghost which is fallacy. In a book on GHOSTS the author has included anecdotes of Chisti Awliya Hazrat Khwaja Gharibunawaaz and Hazrat Hameedudin Chishti in the Chapter on Poltergeist.

NASIR.
HumTum
Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif
Reeth
QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 15 2007, 03:38 AM) *

You won't believe me anyway. Grownups' never do. It's just a 'story'. Well it's not!

Noorie


Cmon noorie we ar all grownup kids here biggrin.gif .............plz go on....share it with all of us
Reeth
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 15 2007, 07:55 PM) *

Interesting thread REETH - thread that I had in mind to start but was afraid to....

I have one experience. This I had given a hint in a reply to Sajdah in the song translation thread. The year was 1964 or 1965. I can relate it if you say. smile.gif

Secondly, some people think that even a good soul is a ghost which is fallacy. In a book on GHOSTS the author has included anecdotes of Chisti Awliya Hazrat Khwaja Gharibunawaaz and Hazrat Hameedudin Chishti in the Chapter on Poltergeist.

NASIR.



Nasir i dont need to say.....this thread is for all of us to share our experiences even experiences one has heard frm others.........plz do so... smile.gif
Mandrake
Didn't someone start such a topic some time back?

Maharashtra has a rich 'tradition' of ghosts, where there are specific names for specific kinds of ghosts- there is a brahma-sammandh, a khavees, a hadal, a munjya, a madkya, a chakwa, a vetaal... quite a few.
Reeth
QUOTE(Mandrake @ Apr 16 2007, 05:57 PM) *

Didn't someone start such a topic some time back?
Maharashtra has a rich 'tradition' of ghosts, where there are specific names for specific kinds of ghosts- there is a brahma-sammandh, a khavees, a hadal, a munjya, a madkya, a chakwa, a vetaal... quite a few.


Here? probably before i joined hf....
The ghosts have names wow....
Plz share all your experiences here.....it'd be a lot of fun..... biggrin.gif ninja.gif
preet
QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 11 2007, 07:54 PM) *
Women seem more attuned than men....
mommmmmmmmmy!!! afraid.gif


well yes someone did start such a thread when we first had this Antariksh aur anhoni subforum started i seem to remember relaying my experience of living in a huanted house once!!!! ninja.gif
Reeth
QUOTE(preet @ Apr 16 2007, 06:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 11 2007, 07:54 PM) *
Women seem more attuned than men....
mommmmmmmmmy!!! afraid.gif


well yes someone did start such a thread when we first had this Antariksh aur anhoni subforum started i seem to remember relaying my experience of living in a huanted house once!!!! ninja.gif

plz do so again preet.... biggrin.gif
preet
ok copy pasting only tongue1.gif the thread was a warm welcome by nimz you can find the posts there!!!

QUOTE
i have not seen ghost but i have lived in a haunted house for 3 months weird things happened and as soon as we got to know about that we moved away as quickly as we could
and now that house is covered with all creepers and no one lives in it any more the landlord was found dead in his bed room...
well i was very young so i dont remember much... just snippets... like whenever i entered my home i would always find blood spots on the floor and the blood would be coming out of my toe... doors locked by itself, nightmares, we felt someones presence always...infact my mom actually felt someone slap her legs once she was sleeping and my servant would have nightmares of a man asking about his family every night
afraid.gif and i have to sleep alone tonight mommmmmmmmy!!!!
Reeth
QUOTE(preet @ Apr 16 2007, 06:56 PM) *

ok copy pasting only tongue1.gif the thread was a warm welcome by nimz you can find the posts there!!!

QUOTE
i have not seen ghost but i have lived in a haunted house for 3 months weird things happened and as soon as we got to know about that we moved away as quickly as we could
and now that house is covered with all creepers and no one lives in it any more the landlord was found dead in his bed room...
well i was very young so i dont remember much... just snippets... like whenever i entered my home i would always find blood spots on the floor and the blood would be coming out of my toe... doors locked by itself, nightmares, we felt someones presence always...infact my mom actually felt someone slap her legs once she was sleeping and my servant would have nightmares of a man asking about his family every night
afraid.gif and i have to sleep alone tonight mommmmmmmmy!!!!


Hey that must've been n awful experience for someone so young...... sad.gif
does it still bother you preet?......i wish i had some personal experience to share.....even the ghosts prefer to keep away from me... ninja.gif
preet
well the only lasting effect of this experience is that now i cant sleep alone in a room with all lights switched off... if i do i start hearing all the creaks and sounds!!! tongue1.gif
nasir
QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.




Lata
Interesting thread smile.gif ..........haan do it again Preetz...... also narrate ur experience with Planchet biggrin.gif .......
noorie
QUOTE(Lata @ Apr 16 2007, 11:07 PM) *

Interesting thread smile.gif ..........haan do it again Preetz...... also narrate ur experience with Planchet biggrin.gif .......


The Ouija board, right? sad.gif

Noorie
haneef
Nasir Bhai, I don't believe in Ghosts ... but would love to see one.
Do you think the Goa Ghost is still there 4 decades later .. now.

The only experience I had was ... when i visited the Langar House Darga ( Hyd ) with some friends, Everything seemed normal with people wearing wierd attires & roaming during that evening.
But as soon as the "Ishaan Azaan" was heard everybody started screaming & making wierd noises. There were people rolling on the floor, hitting them selves with stones, some people were even chained to the walls.

That was the only scary scene I ever witnessed, Frankly I think there was something wrong with their brains ... and not the Ghosts playing their roles or something.
(Lunar Effect... Maybe)

Haneef
preet
wow Nasir bhai you have got guts to go on your own at 2 am!!!! ohmy.gif

Lata!!!! love.gif you are here!!!!! trust you to appear in a ghost thread tongue1.gif
i do have some interesting stories about the planchet well planchet really proves theres something unknown to humankind in this world....!!!! but before i tell the more interesting facts i will tell you all about my first experience tongue1.gif the first time i tried planchet was a disaster!!! it was my first year in college and i stayed in a PG with 5-6 girls, one afternoon we all decided to "call the bhoot" to get some answers (basically related to our love life tongue1.gif) no one had done this before but i had seen my sisters doing it so we took a chart paper... made the planchet and sat down around it most of us were afraid to even put our fingers on the coin but someone had to do it so me and my friend kept our fingers on the coin and clumsily started calling a holy spirit passing by... for the first 10 minutes nothing happened and we decided to call it quits but even as we were thinking about it the coin grew very cold and some kind of vibration we still don’t know if it was our imagination or really the spirit was trying to come!!! me and my friend looked at each other and were so scared we let the coin go... after that we were so shocked we didnt speak just kept looking at each other was the spirit with us?? had we set it free coz we broke the connection with the coin... we were all thinking such things when there was a knock on the door... as we were gathering the courage to go and open the door we heard the loud clanging of dishes as if someone was throwing them at our door... then a loud howling from a dog or something all of us screamed and rushed out to the balcony and started shouting for our landlord...

later we came to know it was our landlord's servant who had brought in our lunch and lost control on the stairs mellow.gif
Lata
QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 16 2007, 11:15 PM) *

QUOTE(Lata @ Apr 16 2007, 11:07 PM) *

Interesting thread smile.gif ..........haan do it again Preetz...... also narrate ur experience with Planchet biggrin.gif .......


The Ouija board, right? sad.gif

Noorie


I think so Noorie smile.gif Preetz.... .. now how about narrating planchet's experience with u tongue1.gif biggrin.gif ..... It must have been scary na ohmy.gif
Reeth
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Interesting.......no other experiences?? dont know what attraction a Tamarind tree holds for them souls.....because the incident i am going to narrate is also centred around a tamarind tree....
Reeth
QUOTE(preet @ Apr 17 2007, 08:52 AM) *

wow Nasir bhai you have got guts to go on your own at 2 am!!!! ohmy.gif

Lata!!!! love.gif you are here!!!!! trust you to appear in a ghost thread tongue1.gif
i do have some interesting stories about the planchet well planchet really proves theres something unknown to humankind in this world....!!!! but before i tell the more interesting facts i will tell you all about my first experience tongue1.gif the first time i tried planchet was a disaster!!! it was my first year in college and i stayed in a PG with 5-6 girls, one afternoon we all decided to "call the bhoot" to get some answers (basically related to our love life tongue1.gif) no one had done this before but i had seen my sisters doing it so we took a chart paper... made the planchet and sat down around it most of us were afraid to even put our fingers on the coin but someone had to do it so me and my friend kept our fingers on the coin and clumsily started calling a holy spirit passing by... for the first 10 minutes nothing happened and we decided to call it quits but even as we were thinking about it the coin grew very cold and some kind of vibration we still don’t know if it was our imagination or really the spirit was trying to come!!! me and my friend looked at each other and were so scared we let the coin go... after that we were so shocked we didnt speak just kept looking at each other was the spirit with us?? had we set it free coz we broke the connection with the coin... we were all thinking such things when there was a knock on the door... as we were gathering the courage to go and open the door we heard the loud clanging of dishes as if someone was throwing them at our door... then a loud howling from a dog or something all of us screamed and rushed out to the balcony and started shouting for our landlord...

later we came to know it was our landlord's servant who had brought in our lunch and lost control on the stairs mellow.gif


I have heard a lot of people being successful in making contact with the spirits?/ how far that is true is anybody's guess... i did participate a couple of times but with no success..
Reeth
QUOTE(Lata @ Apr 17 2007, 08:55 AM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 16 2007, 11:15 PM) *

QUOTE(Lata @ Apr 16 2007, 11:07 PM) *

Interesting thread smile.gif ..........haan do it again Preetz...... also narrate ur experience with Planchet biggrin.gif .......


The Ouija board, right? sad.gif

Noorie


I think so Noorie smile.gif Preetz.... .. now how about narrating planchet's experience with u tongue1.gif biggrin.gif ..... It must have been scary na ohmy.gif


Welcome Lata.........don't you have anything to share with us?? plz do biggrin.gif
Reeth
Kaveri's ghost.......

This incident took place a year ago in kutta( my hometown )in the estates of my cousin who is my working partner here...

I am just giving a short description of the estate just to make it simpler,generally you have the estate house built right in the centre surrounded by coffeee plantation all round, there is a clearing around the house , and you have a few outhouses built around the main house for the live-in estate workers and others..... the estate boundary is demarked by planting certain variety of wild growing cactus which is a deterrant to animals like Wild bison, elephants and sometime even Tigers when they decide to pay a visit, which is very frequent.......
This particular estate owned by my cousin's family is very vast covering an area of almost 300 acres and the backyard ,so to say blends into the foothills of the western ghats, the Brahmagiri range...
My cousin decided to have a houseparty for a whole weekend in the estate with a few of his friends, i was supposed to have gone but had to drop out for some personal reason, so missed out all the excitement...
His parents were away, so it was him with 3 of our common friends and 2 of them , at the last minute decided to bring along their girlfriends as well......
They had a great time exploring the Nagaraholre forests during the daytime, and were relaxing at night in the estate house after dinner , and, somehow the talk turned to ghosts and such...

There had been a tragic incident in the past.....The estate workers during the day had noticed a young woman sitting under a tamarind tree just outside the estate boundary near the foothills, and they were naturally surprised to see her there ,since there is no road leading anywhere there and there are hardly any houses around. She seemed very disturbed,crying and hardly spoke..........they went on questioning her , when asked about her whereabouts she is supposed to have pointed to the hills beyond,and, they thought she had come from one of the smaller settlements they have there....later the ladies had persisted and finally she said her name was Kaveri.....that is the only word she seemed to have uttered......As it grew late in the evening one of the workers found her still sitting there under the tree, so told her to go back to her house as it was not safe there, at which she got up and started walking towards the hills....
But the next morning, she was found hanging from the branch of the same tree , under which she had sat the previous day, her saree was used as a rope,and how she got on to the tree was/is still a mystery.....there was a police enquiry etc; but nothing was known about her....till today no one has come forward to identify her.....what led the poor woman, she was little more than a girl , to take such a drastic step , has remained a mystery...but within a week there were rumors floating around about her spirit haunting the place, and it grew stronger by the day, with many people, mainly estate workers experiencing her so called wrath.....
Having learnt about this the youngsrers wanted to visit the spot then and there, it was nearly midnight, and they wanted to see the place at night....my cousin was apprehensive and was not too keen ,but finally they all decided to go, so they set forth armed with torches a revolver and a gun( most estate owners carry firearms)They wanted 2 estate workrs to accompany them,but the workers were reluctant, but finally agreed to go with them if the girls were left behind, but the girls apparently were the ones who had come up with the idea , so no way were they going to be left out, anyway the workers did go finally.......They reached the spot and crossed over to the other side where there ws a clearing after a landslide... and the 2 workers became restless and funnily enough it seems all of them could feel a kind of fear which might have been psychological but they all felt numb.....one of them then decided to go close to the tree and touch it , at this point the 2 workers protested and started walking back to the house....The brave guy started walking towards the tree and my cousin and the other guy were shining the torch directly at the tree.....as he reachd th tree they all heard a loud shriek ....like a startled feminine cry.......and this made both of them shift the torch and shine it up the tree from where they thought the sound had originated.....within seconds they again focused it back on the ground and found that Anil( tht is his name) had fallen down lying on his back, rushed to him and found him unconcious...........revived him and later he said that he was forcefully pushed back by something and that he had lost balance and had fainted with fear.....nothing, no amount of arguments or possible explainations have made him change his views....he says that he had actually felt a hand on his face and chest and was powerless at tht point of time...The 2 girls neeedless to say,have still not recovered from the shock...
Later I went there under similar circumstances,late at night,with another group of friends , but i felt nothing............
But till today people talk about it and there are many stories surrounding the mysterious Kaveri...
nasir
QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 17 2007, 02:29 PM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Interesting.......no other experiences?? dont know what attraction a Tamarind tree holds for them souls.....because the incident i am going to narrate is also centred around a tamarind tree....



Yes, I've another tale to relate but this is more to do with sounds than with imagery. Please give me a day.
Regarding the trees, it appears that Tamarind and the Peepal trees are the hot spots for ghosts. It also appears that the big oak trees are the haunt of good, pious souls. One reason I see for the ghosts to haunt the tamarind trees is that tamarinds are usually sought after by young boys who often climb the tree go get some fruits. So they fall an easy prey too to the inhabitant of the tree.

NASIR.
nasir
QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 17 2007, 03:58 PM) *

Kaveri's ghost.......

This incident took place a year ago in kutta( my hometown )in the estates of my cousin who is my working partner here...

I am just giving a short description of the estate just to make it simpler,generally you have the estate house built right in the centre surrounded by coffeee plantation all round, there is a clearing around the house , and you have a few outhouses built around the main house for the live-in estate workers and others..... the estate boundary is demarked by planting certain variety of wild growing cactus which is a deterrant to animals like Wild bison, elephants and sometime even Tigers when they decide to pay a visit, which is very frequent.......
This particular estate owned by my cousin's family is very vast covering an area of almost 300 acres and the backyard ,so to say blends into the foothills of the western ghats, the Brahmagiri range...
My cousin decided to have a houseparty for a whole weekend in the estate with a few of his friends, i was supposed to have gone but had to drop out for some personal reason, so missed out all the excitement...
His parents were away, so it was him with 3 of our common friends and 2 of them , at the last minute decided to bring along their girlfriends as well......
They had a great time exploring the Nagaraholre forests during the daytime, and were relaxing at night in the estate house after dinner , and, somehow the talk turned to ghosts and such...

There had been a tragic incident in the past.....The estate workers during the day had noticed a young woman sitting under a tamarind tree just outside the estate boundary near the foothills, and they were naturally surprised to see her there ,since there is no road leading anywhere there and there are hardly any houses around. She seemed very disturbed,crying and hardly spoke..........they went on questioning her , when asked about her whereabouts she is supposed to have pointed to the hills beyond,and, they thought she had come from one of the smaller settlements they have there....later the ladies had persisted and finally she said her name was Kaveri.....that is the only word she seemed to have uttered......As it grew late in the evening one of the workers found her still sitting there under the tree, so told her to go back to her house as it was not safe there, at which she got up and started walking towards the hills....
But the next morning, she was found hanging from the branch of the same tree , under which she had sat the previous day, her saree was used as a rope,and how she got on to the tree was/is still a mystery.....there was a police enquiry etc; but nothing was known about her....till today no one has come forward to identify her.....what led the poor woman, she was little more than a girl , to take such a drastic step , has remained a mystery...but within a week there were rumors floating around about her spirit haunting the place, and it grew stronger by the day, with many people, mainly estate workers experiencing her so called wrath.....
Having learnt about this the youngsrers wanted to visit the spot then and there, it was nearly midnight, and they wanted to see the place at night....my cousin was apprehensive and was not too keen ,but finally they all decided to go, so they set forth armed with torches a revolver and a gun( most estate owners carry firearms)They wanted 2 estate workrs to accompany them,but the workers were reluctant, but finally agreed to go with them if the girls were left behind, but the girls apparently were the ones who had come up with the idea , so no way were they going to be left out, anyway the workers did go finally.......They reached the spot and crossed over to the other side where there ws a clearing after a landslide... and the 2 workers became restless and funnily enough it seems all of them could feel a kind of fear which might have been psychological but they all felt numb.....one of them then decided to go close to the tree and touch it , at this point the 2 workers protested and started walking back to the house....The brave guy started walking towards the tree and my cousin and the other guy were shining the torch directly at the tree.....as he reachd th tree they all heard a loud shriek ....like a startled feminine cry.......and this made both of them shift the torch and shine it up the tree from where they thought the sound had originated.....within seconds they again focused it back on the ground and found that Anil( tht is his name) had fallen down lying on his back, rushed to him and found him unconcious...........revived him and later he said that he was forcefully pushed back by something and that he had lost balance and had fainted with fear.....nothing, no amount of arguments or possible explainations have made him change his views....he says that he had actually felt a hand on his face and chest and was powerless at tht point of time...The 2 girls neeedless to say,have still not recovered from the shock...
Later I went there under similar circumstances,late at night,with another group of friends , but i felt nothing............
But till today people talk about it and there are many stories surrounding the mysterious Kaveri...


So nothing was known about the antecedents of Kaveri? What a story!

NASIR.
noorie
Reeth, that was a wonderful story.

I feel awfully sorry 4 that girl. She was no 'bhoot'.

Noorie
balajigade
A very interesting and totally different thread. Let me add a scientific (engineering) dimension to the occult world.

We are generally confused with these questions :
--some people say that they have seen the ghost at least once. Then why they (ghosts) are not seen always?
--it is said that they cannot be touched but some reportedly felt them and had love affairs also ! How?

Following is the explanation :

--Every solid body has 3 dimensions as we perceive it. Our body too has 3 dimensions and we human beings have the knowledge of, and can see only 3 dimensions. Imagine an ant walking on the flat surface of a table. Practically it can see only two dimensions, the length and breadth of the table. Though it can actually see the third dimension which is upwards, just assume it can't. The human is superior to the ant with the reason that he can see 3 dimensions where as the latter can see only two. Now the human can place himself in such a position, say over the head of the ant, so that the ant cannot see him. If he wishes he can stand in front of it along the dimensions of which it has the knowledge, so that the ant can see him.

--The shadows cannot be touched.

--Every object has a shadow which has one dimension less than the object itself. For example we have 3 dimensions, so our shadow has only 2 (=3-1) dimensions. Agree?

--Now coming to the ghost it has n dimensions and therefore it has the knowledge of n dimensions. Its shadow, by the above theory has n-1 dimensions. ( n is a finite no. and more than 3)

--If the ghost (superior to human as it has the knowledge of more dimensions) wishes that it should be seen by the human it appears before him in its natural form with n dimensions. But since we know only 3 dimensions what we see is only 3 of them. It can be touched, felt and looks like a human being only.

--The ghost can also make its shadow fall in front of the human if it 'thinks' so. In this case the shadow has n-1 dimensions, but we still see 3 dimensions (since n>3, and our knowledge is limited to 3). In this case it will have the same appearance as in the previous case but it cannot touched, since it is a shadow only.

--The ghost can also keep itself invisible by placing itself in the areas of the dimensions of which we have no knowledge ( like the ant vrs human). And that's why we cannot always see it.

To sum up, the ghost as per its wish can remain invisible, can stand in its normal form (touchable) or make its shadow fall in front of the human beings (not touchable) while keeping itself invisible.

Hope this makes an interesting reading. Next, my experience with...

--Balaji
noorie
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Oooh, the suspense was really killing me. tongue1.gif

Nasir, did you get a real good look at the thing / person you saw on top of that tamarind tree?

Cud you describe it please?

Noorie
Reeth
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 17 2007, 10:30 PM) *

QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 17 2007, 02:29 PM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Interesting.......no other experiences?? dont know what attraction a Tamarind tree holds for them souls.....because the incident i am going to narrate is also centred around a tamarind tree....



Yes, I've another tale to relate but this is more to do with sounds than with imagery. Please give me a day.
Regarding the trees, it appears that Tamarind and the Peepal trees are the hot spots for ghosts. It also appears that the big oak trees are the haunt of good, pious souls. One reason I see for the ghosts to haunt the tamarind trees is that tamarinds are usually sought after by young boys who often climb the tree go get some fruits. So they fall an easy prey too to the inhabitant of the tree.

NASIR.


will wait for your narrative nasir... smile.gif

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 17 2007, 10:49 PM) *

Reeth, that was a wonderful story.

I feel awfully sorry 4 that girl. She was no 'bhoot'.

Noorie



That's right noorie.........i too feel very sorry for her.. sad.gif
Reeth
QUOTE(balajigade @ Apr 17 2007, 11:33 PM) *

A very interesting and totally different thread. Let me add a scientific (engineering) dimension to the occult world.

We are generally confused with these questions :
--some people say that they have seen the ghost at least once. Then why they (ghosts) are not seen always?
--it is said that they cannot be touched but some reportedly felt them and had love affairs also ! How?

Following is the explanation :

--Every solid body has 3 dimensions as we perceive it. Our body too has 3 dimensions and we human beings have the knowledge of, and can see only 3 dimensions. Imagine an ant walking on the flat surface of a table. Practically it can see only two dimensions, the length and breadth of the table. Though it can actually see the third dimension which is upwards, just assume it can't. The human is superior to the ant with the reason that he can see 3 dimensions where as the latter can see only two. Now the human can place himself in such a position, say over the head of the ant, so that the ant cannot see him. If he wishes he can stand in front of it along the dimensions of which it has the knowledge, so that the ant can see him.

--The shadows cannot be touched.

--Every object has a shadow which has one dimension less than the object itself. For example we have 3 dimensions, so our shadow has only 2 (=3-1) dimensions. Agree?

--Now coming to the ghost it has [b]n
dimensions and therefore it has the knowledge of n dimensions. Its shadow, by the above theory has n-1 dimensions. ( n is a finite no. and more than 3)

--If the ghost (superior to human as it has the knowledge of more dimensions) wishes that it should be seen by the human it appears before him in its natural form with [b]n
dimensions. But since we know only 3 dimensions what we see is only 3 of them. It can be touched, felt and looks like a human being only.

--The ghost can also make its shadow fall in front of the human if it 'thinks' so. In this case the shadow has n-1 dimensions, but we still see 3 dimensions (since n>3, and our knowledge is limited to 3). In this case it will have the same appearance as in the previous case but it cannot touched, since it is a shadow only.[/b]--The ghost can also keep itself invisible by placing itself in the areas of the dimensions of which we have no knowledge ( like the ant vrs human). And that's why we cannot always see it.[/b]To sum up, the ghost as per its wish can remain invisible, can stand in its normal form (touchable) or make its shadow fall in front of the human beings (not touchable) while keeping itself invisible.

Hope this makes an interesting reading. Next, my experience with...

--Balaji


Has this been proven? it makes very interesting reading thank you smile.gif .....plz do share your experience with us Balaji
nasir
QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 17 2007, 11:34 PM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Oooh, the suspense was really killing me. tongue1.gif

Nasir, did you get a real good look at the thing / person you saw on top of that tamarind tree?

Cud you describe it please?

Noorie


"Real good Look?" Are you kidding? smile.gif
I only know that he was looking at me, and I'm sure he must be knowing that I was a guest of his son to whose house I was heading. I wanted to get away as soon as possible. This is because I had heard that some ghosts who occupy trees they just lengthen their legs from the tree top to the ground. I wanted to escape this horror fastest.
Besides, I wasn't so courageous as to stand there and gape at him. Who knows what might have happened!
I forgot to mention the barking of a pack of dogs. Believe me, their presence rather made me feel good and their barks were music to my ears.

NASIR.
noorie
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 18 2007, 11:30 PM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 17 2007, 11:34 PM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Oooh, the suspense was really killing me. tongue1.gif

Nasir, did you get a real good look at the thing / person you saw on top of that tamarind tree?

Cud you describe it please?

Noorie


"Real good Look?" Are you kidding? smile.gif
I only know that he was looking at me, and I'm sure he must be knowing that I was a guest of his son to whose house I was heading. I wanted to get away as soon as possible. This is because I had heard that some ghosts who occupy trees they just lengthen their legs from the tree top to the ground. I wanted to escape this horror fastest.
Besides, I wasn't so courageous as to stand there and gape at him. Who knows what might have happened!
I forgot to mention the barking of a pack of dogs. Believe me, their presence rather made me feel good and their barks were music to my ears.
NASIR.


Does that mean you actually believe in the existence of ghosts?

Whatever they are, surely they can't be as bad as living humans?

Perhaps those dogs were in hot pursuit of you and not the 'bhoot' up on the treetop! biggrin.gif

Noorie
noorie
QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 18 2007, 03:06 PM) *

QUOTE(balajigade @ Apr 17 2007, 11:33 PM) *

A very interesting and totally different thread. Let me add a scientific (engineering) dimension to the occult world.

We are generally confused with these questions :
--some people say that they have seen the ghost at least once. Then why they (ghosts) are not seen always?
--it is said that they cannot be touched but some reportedly felt them and had love affairs also ! How?

Following is the explanation :

--Every solid body has 3 dimensions as we perceive it. Our body too has 3 dimensions and we human beings have the knowledge of, and can see only 3 dimensions. Imagine an ant walking on the flat surface of a table. Practically it can see only two dimensions, the length and breadth of the table. Though it can actually see the third dimension which is upwards, just assume it can't. The human is superior to the ant with the reason that he can see 3 dimensions where as the latter can see only two. Now the human can place himself in such a position, say over the head of the ant, so that the ant cannot see him. If he wishes he can stand in front of it along the dimensions of which it has the knowledge, so that the ant can see him.

--The shadows cannot be touched.

--Every object has a shadow which has one dimension less than the object itself. For example we have 3 dimensions, so our shadow has only 2 (=3-1) dimensions. Agree?

--Now coming to the ghost it has [b]n
dimensions and therefore it has the knowledge of n dimensions. Its shadow, by the above theory has n-1 dimensions. ( n is a finite no. and more than 3)

--If the ghost (superior to human as it has the knowledge of more dimensions) wishes that it should be seen by the human it appears before him in its natural form with [b]n
dimensions. But since we know only 3 dimensions what we see is only 3 of them. It can be touched, felt and looks like a human being only.

--The ghost can also make its shadow fall in front of the human if it 'thinks' so. In this case the shadow has n-1 dimensions, but we still see 3 dimensions (since n>3, and our knowledge is limited to 3). In this case it will have the same appearance as in the previous case but it cannot touched, since it is a shadow only.[/b]--The ghost can also keep itself invisible by placing itself in the areas of the dimensions of which we have no knowledge ( like the ant vrs human). And that's why we cannot always see it.[/b]To sum up, the ghost as per its wish can remain invisible, can stand in its normal form (touchable) or make its shadow fall in front of the human beings (not touchable) while keeping itself invisible.

Hope this makes an interesting reading. Next, my experience with...

--Balaji


Has this been proven? it makes very interesting reading thank you smile.gif .....plz do share your experience with us Balaji


Why does the scientific world wish 2 prove that the so-called 'paranormal' activities can be rationally explained ?
Haven't they tried that many a time and failed!

Noorie
balajigade
QUOTE
Has this been proven? it makes very interesting reading thank you smile.gif .....plz do share your experience with us Balaji


Well, this is what I read casually in a bookstall in the Fountain area at Bombay from a book featuring ‘Science & Superstition’ long back while waiting for my next train. The writeup is a hypothesis giving a scientific explanation of the dark side of the world in a more convincing way. We attach a no. of theories like gratification of unfulfilled desires, vengeance etc. attributing to the appearance of the ghosts. But why are innocent people who do not have any connection with the particular deceased person are haunted? Perhaps for the sake of fun?

During my school days I stayed in a couple of haunted houses in the small towns of Orissa. My father was a very brave person who did not believe in all these superstitions and so was my mother. I still remember our stay when I was at school in my 8th std. in a house-- a very nice and spacious one, abandoned for nearly 12 years in the outskirts of a place known as Jajpur, about 60kms north of Cuttack. It was said that the house owner, a clerk in the PWD found a pot of gold coins buried under the earth while excavating for the foundations of the house. Despite 'warnings' given to him in his dreams he invested the treasure in his business, in which he flourished, but lost his wife and all his 4 children within a short span of time. He left the house but his tenants used to face the music more particularly on amavasya and poornima nights. We were told that a dog would start barking relentlessly in the midnight outside the house indicating the arrival of the 'boss'. (It is said that the dogs and the owls have the sixth sense to see the spirits). Initially, my father never let me know the antecedents of the house as I was a very timid person those days, but I came to know everything slowly from the dhobi, the milk vendor and of course, my class mates. There were reportedly 4 tenants before we lived in that house and every family had lost a person during their stay due to some unknown illness. We too heard the dog barks very frequently followed by the rattling of dried leaves on the ground and sudden chirping and flapping of the wings of the birds on the neem tree on the other side of the road. My father used to come out to see if he could see something but he never did. After living there for 3 years, with nothing untoward happening I could get a lot of courage to laugh away saying that these were nothing but superstitions.

The second incident is about when I was doing my MTech at IIT Kharagpur in the year 1973 after completing the graduation at REC (now NIT) Rourkela. I was to appear in the written test at the Rourkela Steel Plant during which I stayed with one of my juniors, who hailed from my place, at the Engg. College hostel. After appearing in the test I, alongwith my old batch-mates had a nice dinner at the local restaurants and decided to go to the movie 'Bobby' for the late-night show, which was then just released in a theatre known as Konark. My friend was not with us as he was having his final exams the next day. It was about 12:30 MN when the show was over and all of my 3 friends who lived in the city left for home on bicycles which they brought leaving one for me to get back to the hostel (which was about 6 kms from the theatre). It was a sultry night in the month of May and I was riding the bicycle alone singing to the tunes of 'Bobby'. When I approached the Indira Gandhi Park, which falls on the way, there was a sudden drop of temperature and I could feel very cool breeze blowing, which could be attributed to the rich vegetation around the park. Suddenly I felt something going past my bicycle very fast and I could barely see a thing. I thought it was a dog. There was noise in the crank of the bicycle and the chain snapped. I got down, fixed the chain back and started riding. But after a few minutes the same sequence of incidents took place. I was a little worried and confused about what went wrong as the bike never gave any trouble in the evening earlier. A steel plant ambulance rushed past me from the opposite direction with siren bowing. I felt a sudden chill down my spine and smelt something fishy. I was slightly scared also, fixed the chain in position and started riding fast singing loudly to break the eerie of silence. I tried to concentrate on my right to see what is going past my cycle every time the chain is snapping. Nothing happened until I almost tumbled on a small piece of brick lying on road, which I did not notice and again, the chain snapped while the 'dog' went past my bike at a tremendous speed and I could barely see a streak and hear a hiss. I felt uneasy, stopped and looked around but couldn't see anything. I adjusted the chain and started riding again. By this time I had crossed the park area and soon found myself the near the German Club Centre where I took a right turn from the Ring Road on to the road which took me to the hostel campus, a 3 kms' ride. Surprisingly the bicycle didn't give any problem after I took off from the Ring Road.

When I reached the hostel, it was almost 1:30 in the night and my friend was already asleep. The next morning when he came to know that I had been to the movie and returned alone, he looked shocked and tried to evade further discussions. When I kept insisting he finally told me that two weeks back a young college girl was gang raped and murdered in the Indira Gandhi Park by some students and since then people passing by in the midnight were being haunted. A girl clad in white dress seemed to overtake the trespassers while floating on air around the park area and my friend was one of such victims who saw 'her'. Well, I could hardly believe all this, being a staunch believer of science and reasoning but at the same time I have no answer for all what happened to me that night. I was lucky not have known about the haunting stuff before going to the movie, as otherwise I could have had a heart attack in the first ‘encounter’ itself, despite all the courage behind me. And yes, the next afternoon on my way to the railway station by a rickshaw, I came to know that there was a fatal accident on the Ring Road on the same eventful midnight when a couple traveling in a taxi were killed instantaneously when the vehicle collided against the lamppost after losing control. This is perhaps why I saw the ambulance that night on my way back; I thought.

Most of the fairy tales and the horror stories we come across are only fictions with no scientific proof and reasoning behind them. At the same time we come across many weird incidents taking place in our life---most of the time they are exaggerated and blown out of proportions when they pass from person to person. But instead of saying science cannot explain these, can we say that the science is yet to establish the truth behind all these paranormal activities?

Thanks for the patience in reading all this.

--Balaji
usrafian


I am fully agree with ‘Dimension-Theory’, as per Bala JI . It shows scientific logic for science as well as evident to Yogic Science.

Swami Vivekanand Ji had reflected very genuine thoughts about ‘dimensions’. According to him there are many parallel universes exists at same place but in different dimensions without interacting with each other. Person having ‘specific power’, can travel thru these dimensions. That ‘specific power’ can be achieved thru Yogic practice. In this matter, one’s ‘will-power’ plays major role.

As far as ‘Ghost’ concerns, only their willing binds them with our dimensions, of course with some limitations. During ‘interaction’ with Ghost, lower ‘Will-Power’ has to step back, and if it (will-power) accompanied with friendly, harmless, kind nature (with deeds & thoughts) NOWHERE (in any dimension) FEAR EVER EXISTS FOR HIM/HER.

To make our nature , friendly, harmless, kind to everything with thoughts & deeds is very 1st step in Yoga. How strange !?!?!

Baba Tulsidas Ji has also accepted their(Ghosts) existence, while writing ‘Ram-charit Manas’ , in beginning he made ‘Vandana’ to everyone, for ‘Ghosts’ he had written..
‘Vandoun Bhoot-Pret-Vaitala’.

Remember 'Fear is the other name of mis-deeds' Chhor Ki Daadi Mein Tinka. No one may be crystal clear clean but we should always keep trying to be like that.

BTW..
If anyone ever comes in contact with ‘Ghost’, first be kind to him(because he is the most sufferer that’s why he is here).

USR
balajigade
QUOTE(preet @ Apr 17 2007, 08:52 AM) *

wow Nasir bhai you have got guts to go on your own at 2 am!!!! ohmy.gif

Lata!!!! love.gif you are here!!!!! trust you to appear in a ghost thread tongue1.gif
i do have some interesting stories about the planchet well planchet really proves theres something unknown to humankind in this world....!!!! but before i tell the more interesting facts i will tell you all about my first experience tongue1.gif the first time i tried planchet was a disaster!!! it was my first year in college and i stayed in a PG with 5-6 girls, one afternoon we all decided to "call the bhoot" to get some answers (basically related to our love life tongue1.gif) no one had done this before but i had seen my sisters doing it so we took a chart paper... made the planchet and sat down around it most of us were afraid to even put our fingers on the coin but someone had to do it so me and my friend kept our fingers on the coin and clumsily started calling a holy spirit passing by... for the first 10 minutes nothing happened and we decided to call it quits but even as we were thinking about it the coin grew very cold and some kind of vibration we still don’t know if it was our imagination or really the spirit was trying to come!!! me and my friend looked at each other and were so scared we let the coin go... after that we were so shocked we didnt speak just kept looking at each other was the spirit with us?? had we set it free coz we broke the connection with the coin... we were all thinking such things when there was a knock on the door... as we were gathering the courage to go and open the door we heard the loud clanging of dishes as if someone was throwing them at our door... then a loud howling from a dog or something all of us screamed and rushed out to the balcony and started shouting for our landlord...

later we came to know it was our landlord's servant who had brought in our lunch and lost control on the stairs mellow.gif


I just saw Preet's writeup on planchette while I was uploading my experience. Earlier, in May 1968 when I was doing my 1st year Engg. at Rourkela there was rumour that the final exams which were hardly a week away were being postponed. Somebody in our hostel got a bright idea and decided that he would find it out on a planchette (ouija board) along with his friends. He got a an answer that the exams would be postponed by 21 days. This started a euphoria in almost every hostel in the campus and there were a series of sessions almost in every block. I was a spectator in one of the sessions and to my surprise all answers to known questions were found correct but with some spelling mistakes. Everyone found their %age marks, class predicted. I along with two of my friends who did not believe at all in these happenings thought that the answers were being manipulated by the persons performing. We decided that we would give a try for ourselves and invited others to our room. Before starting the session we took an oath that we are not going to befool each other at least. We used a tea cup kept inverted on the floor drawing a circle around it with all English alphabet and the nos. We kept all our index fingers on the body of the cup and started concentrating on different deceased souls. Nothing happened for about 1st 15 mins and we kept on changing names. But then, the cup started vibrating in a gyrating motion at the place where it was. We started asking questions which were answered correctly, the cup was using its handle as the indicator touching the alphabets or numbers while moving. We three were staring at each other with disbelief thinking that the others are playing a mischief. Towards the end of the session the cup moved so fast that it was difficult for us to keep our fingers on it in tact. It was said that if anyone takes off his hand from the cup with the spirit inside it, he would be possessed by it. We called off the session successfully when we heard a commotion from the room in the opposite wing. We came to know that there was a session going on in another room simultaneously and one of the boys took off his hand out of excitement when he too got the same answer of 21 days of postponement of the exams. He was reportedly possessed and found struggling for breath as if someone was overpowering him and was shouting 'Leave me, leave me'. It was understood that his fellow performers apologized for his ignorance and he became normal slowly. He was totally ignorant of what happened in between.There was an end to this activity from that day onwards and the exams actually got postponed by 14 days.

Even months after the incident the above boy never disclosed what happened to him exactly. Every one out of the 3 of us still think that someone out of the other two played some mischief.

It is said that man can move an object with his concentration without touching it. Is it the resultant of the concerted effort of all the persons performing the activity? As most of us knew the answers to the questions perhaps we were, though unknowingly, guiding the cup through our will-power (let me call it so for the time being) to show the expected answers. This argument strengthens from the fact that certain questions, of which we were not sure of the answers, were replied waywardly and inconsistently

--Balaji
noorie
QUOTE(usrafian @ Apr 19 2007, 01:06 PM) *

I am fully agree with ‘Dimension-Theory’, as per Bala JI . It shows scientific logic for science as well as evident to Yogic Science.

Swami Vivekanand Ji had reflected very genuine thoughts about ‘dimensions’. According to him there are many parallel universes exists at same place but in different dimensions without interacting with each other. Person having ‘specific power’, can travel thru these dimensions. That ‘specific power’ can be achieved thru Yogic practice. In this matter, one’s ‘will-power’ plays major role.

As far as ‘Ghost’ concerns, only their willing binds them with our dimensions, of course with some limitations. During ‘interaction’ with Ghost, lower ‘Will-Power’ has to step back, and if it (will-power) accompanied with friendly, harmless, kind nature (with deeds & thoughts) NOWHERE (in any dimension) FEAR EVER EXISTS FOR HIM/HER.

To make our nature , friendly, harmless, kind to everything with thoughts & deeds is very 1st step in Yoga. How strange !?!?!

Baba Tulsidas Ji has also accepted their(Ghosts) existence, while writing ‘Ram-charit Manas’ , in beginning he made ‘Vandana’ to everyone, for ‘Ghosts’ he had written..
‘Vandoun Bhoot-Pret-Vaitala’.

Remember 'Fear is the other name of mis-deeds' Chhor Ki Daadi Mein Tinka. No one may be crystal clear clean but we should always keep trying to be like that.

BTW..
[If anyone ever comes in contact with ‘Ghost’, first be kind to him(because he is the most sufferer that’s why he is here).

USR


I believe that.

Noorie
Reeth
QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 19 2007, 01:40 AM) *

QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 18 2007, 03:06 PM) *

QUOTE(balajigade @ Apr 17 2007, 11:33 PM) *

A very interesting and totally different thread. Let me add a scientific (engineering) dimension to the occult world.

We are generally confused with these questions :
--some people say that they have seen the ghost at least once. Then why they (ghosts) are not seen always?
--it is said that they cannot be touched but some reportedly felt them and had love affairs also ! How?

Following is the explanation :

--Every solid body has 3 dimensions as we perceive it. Our body too has 3 dimensions and we human beings have the knowledge of, and can see only 3 dimensions. Imagine an ant walking on the flat surface of a table. Practically it can see only two dimensions, the length and breadth of the table. Though it can actually see the third dimension which is upwards, just assume it can't. The human is superior to the ant with the reason that he can see 3 dimensions where as the latter can see only two. Now the human can place himself in such a position, say over the head of the ant, so that the ant cannot see him. If he wishes he can stand in front of it along the dimensions of which it has the knowledge, so that the ant can see him.

--The shadows cannot be touched.

--Every object has a shadow which has one dimension less than the object itself. For example we have 3 dimensions, so our shadow has only 2 (=3-1) dimensions. Agree?

--Now coming to the ghost it has [b]n
dimensions and therefore it has the knowledge of n dimensions. Its shadow, by the above theory has n-1 dimensions. ( n is a finite no. and more than 3)

--If the ghost (superior to human as it has the knowledge of more dimensions) wishes that it should be seen by the human it appears before him in its natural form with [b]n
dimensions. But since we know only 3 dimensions what we see is only 3 of them. It can be touched, felt and looks like a human being only.

--The ghost can also make its shadow fall in front of the human if it 'thinks' so. In this case the shadow has n-1 dimensions, but we still see 3 dimensions (since n>3, and our knowledge is limited to 3). In this case it will have the same appearance as in the previous case but it cannot touched, since it is a shadow only.[/b]--The ghost can also keep itself invisible by placing itself in the areas of the dimensions of which we have no knowledge ( like the ant vrs human). And that's why we cannot always see it.[/b]To sum up, the ghost as per its wish can remain invisible, can stand in its normal form (touchable) or make its shadow fall in front of the human beings (not touchable) while keeping itself invisible.

Hope this makes an interesting reading. Next, my experience with...

--Balaji


Has this been proven? it makes very interesting reading thank you smile.gif .....plz do share your experience with us Balaji


Why does the scientific world wish 2 prove that the so-called 'paranormal' activities can be rationally explained ?
Haven't they tried that many a time and failed!

Noorie


They are doing their job.............one never knows.....sometime in the near future we may be able to strike up a contact with these forces with the help of science....
noorie
QUOTE(balajigade @ Apr 19 2007, 11:43 AM) *

QUOTE
Has this been proven? it makes very interesting reading thank you smile.gif .....plz do share your experience with us Balaji


Well, this is what I read casually in a bookstall in the Fountain area at Bombay from a book featuring ‘Science & Superstition’ long back while waiting for my next train. The writeup is a hypothesis giving a scientific explanation of the dark side of the world in a more convincing way. We attach a no. of theories like gratification of unfulfilled desires, vengeance etc. attributing to the appearance of the ghosts. But why are innocent people who do not have any connection with the particular deceased person are haunted? Perhaps for the sake of fun?

During my school days I stayed in a couple of haunted houses in the small towns of Orissa. My father was a very brave person who did not believe in all these superstitions and so was my mother. I still remember our stay when I was at school in my 8th std. in a house-- a very nice and spacious one, abandoned for nearly 12 years in the outskirts of a place known as Jajpur, about 60kms north of Cuttack. It was said that the house owner, a clerk in the PWD found a pot of gold coins buried under the earth while excavating for the foundations of the house. Despite 'warnings' given to him in his dreams he invested the treasure in his business, in which he flourished, but lost his wife and all his 4 children within a short span of time. He left the house but his tenants used to face the music more particularly on amavasya and poornima nights. We were told that a dog would start barking relentlessly in the midnight outside the house indicating the arrival of the 'boss'. (It is said that the dogs and the owls have the sixth sense to see the spirits). Initially, my father never let me know the antecedents of the house as I was a very timid person those days, but I came to know everything slowly from the dhobi, the milk vendor and of course, my class mates. There were reportedly 4 tenants before we lived in that house and every family had lost a person during their stay due to some unknown illness. We too heard the dog barks very frequently followed by the rattling of dried leaves on the ground and sudden chirping and flapping of the wings of the birds on the neem tree on the other side of the road. My father used to come out to see if he could see something but he never did. After living there for 3 years, with nothing untoward happening I could get a lot of courage to laugh away saying that these were nothing but superstitions.


--Balaji


There's a thing called 'wahem', most ghost incidents survive on that.

Perhaps there was sumthing wrong with the Vaastu of that house too, lots of ppl don't believe in Vaastu either.
Is that a pseudoscience too?

Noorie
Reeth
QUOTE(balajigade @ Apr 19 2007, 11:43 AM) *

QUOTE
Has this been proven? it makes very interesting reading thank you smile.gif .....plz do share your experience with us Balaji


Well, this is what I read casually in a bookstall in the Fountain area at Bombay from a book featuring ‘Science & Superstition’ long back while waiting for my next train. The writeup is a hypothesis giving a scientific explanation of the dark side of the world in a more convincing way. We attach a no. of theories like gratification of unfulfilled desires, vengeance etc. attributing to the appearance of the ghosts. But why are innocent people who do not have any connection with the particular deceased person are haunted? Perhaps for the sake of fun?

During my school days I stayed in a couple of haunted houses in the small towns of Orissa. My father was a very brave person who did not believe in all these superstitions and so was my mother. I still remember our stay when I was at school in my 8th std. in a house-- a very nice and spacious one, abandoned for nearly 12 years in the outskirts of a place known as Jajpur, about 60kms north of Cuttack. It was said that the house owner, a clerk in the PWD found a pot of gold coins buried under the earth while excavating for the foundations of the house. Despite 'warnings' given to him in his dreams he invested the treasure in his business, in which he flourished, but lost his wife and all his 4 children within a short span of time. He left the house but his tenants used to face the music more particularly on amavasya and poornima nights. We were told that a dog would start barking relentlessly in the midnight outside the house indicating the arrival of the 'boss'. (It is said that the dogs and the owls have the sixth sense to see the spirits). Initially, my father never let me know the antecedents of the house as I was a very timid person those days, but I came to know everything slowly from the dhobi, the milk vendor and of course, my class mates. There were reportedly 4 tenants before we lived in that house and every family had lost a person during their stay due to some unknown illness. We too heard the dog barks very frequently followed by the rattling of dried leaves on the ground and sudden chirping and flapping of the wings of the birds on the neem tree on the other side of the road. My father used to come out to see if he could see something but he never did. After living there for 3 years, with nothing untoward happening I could get a lot of courage to laugh away saying that these were nothing but superstitions.

The second incident is about when I was doing my MTech at IIT Kharagpur in the year 1973 after completing the graduation at REC (now NIT) Rourkela. I was to appear in the written test at the Rourkela Steel Plant during which I stayed with one of my juniors, who hailed from my place, at the Engg. College hostel. After appearing in the test I, alongwith my old batch-mates had a nice dinner at the local restaurants and decided to go to the movie 'Bobby' for the late-night show, which was then just released in a theatre known as Konark. My friend was not with us as he was having his final exams the next day. It was about 12:30 MN when the show was over and all of my 3 friends who lived in the city left for home on bicycles which they brought leaving one for me to get back to the hostel (which was about 6 kms from the theatre). It was a sultry night in the month of May and I was riding the bicycle alone singing to the tunes of 'Bobby'. When I approached the Indira Gandhi Park, which falls on the way, there was a sudden drop of temperature and I could feel very cool breeze blowing, which could be attributed to the rich vegetation around the park. Suddenly I felt something going past my bicycle very fast and I could barely see a thing. I thought it was a dog. There was noise in the crank of the bicycle and the chain snapped. I got down, fixed the chain back and started riding. But after a few minutes the same sequence of incidents took place. I was a little worried and confused about what went wrong as the bike never gave any trouble in the evening earlier. A steel plant ambulance rushed past me from the opposite direction with siren bowing. I felt a sudden chill down my spine and smelt something fishy. I was slightly scared also, fixed the chain in position and started riding fast singing loudly to break the eerie of silence. I tried to concentrate on my right to see what is going past my cycle every time the chain is snapping. Nothing happened until I almost tumbled on a small piece of brick lying on road, which I did not notice and again, the chain snapped while the 'dog' went past my bike at a tremendous speed and I could barely see a streak and hear a hiss. I felt uneasy, stopped and looked around but couldn't see anything. I adjusted the chain and started riding again. By this time I had crossed the park area and soon found myself the near the German Club Centre where I took a right turn from the Ring Road on to the road which took me to the hostel campus, a 3 kms' ride. Surprisingly the bicycle didn't give any problem after I took off from the Ring Road.

When I reached the hostel, it was almost 1:30 in the night and my friend was already asleep. The next morning when he came to know that I had been to the movie and returned alone, he looked shocked and tried to evade further discussions. When I kept insisting he finally told me that two weeks back a young college girl was gang raped and murdered in the Indira Gandhi Park by some students and since then people passing by in the midnight were being haunted. A girl clad in white dress seemed to overtake the trespassers while floating on air around the park area and my friend was one of such victims who saw 'her'. Well, I could hardly believe all this, being a staunch believer of science and reasoning but at the same time I have no answer for all what happened to me that night. I was lucky not have known about the haunting stuff before going to the movie, as otherwise I could have had a heart attack in the first ‘encounter’ itself, despite all the courage behind me. And yes, the next afternoon on my way to the railway station by a rickshaw, I came to know that there was a fatal accident on the Ring Road on the same eventful midnight when a couple traveling in a taxi were killed instantaneously when the vehicle collided against the lamppost after losing control. This is perhaps why I saw the ambulance that night on my way back; I thought.

Most of the fairy tales and the horror stories we come across are only fictions with no scientific proof and reasoning behind them. At the same time we come across many weird incidents taking place in our life---most of the time they are exaggerated and blown out of proportions when they pass from person to person. But instead of saying science cannot explain these, can we say that the science is yet to establish the truth behind all these paranormal activities?

Thanks for the patience in reading all this.

--Balaji


Very interesting incident.....as you say, there are many unexplained phenomenon around us,we may never find an explaination for all these in our lifetime, but it does make life more interesting.. ninja.gif biggrin.gif


QUOTE(balajigade @ Apr 19 2007, 02:45 PM) *

QUOTE(preet @ Apr 17 2007, 08:52 AM) *

wow Nasir bhai you have got guts to go on your own at 2 am!!!! ohmy.gif

Lata!!!! love.gif you are here!!!!! trust you to appear in a ghost thread tongue1.gif
i do have some interesting stories about the planchet well planchet really proves theres something unknown to humankind in this world....!!!! but before i tell the more interesting facts i will tell you all about my first experience tongue1.gif the first time i tried planchet was a disaster!!! it was my first year in college and i stayed in a PG with 5-6 girls, one afternoon we all decided to "call the bhoot" to get some answers (basically related to our love life tongue1.gif) no one had done this before but i had seen my sisters doing it so we took a chart paper... made the planchet and sat down around it most of us were afraid to even put our fingers on the coin but someone had to do it so me and my friend kept our fingers on the coin and clumsily started calling a holy spirit passing by... for the first 10 minutes nothing happened and we decided to call it quits but even as we were thinking about it the coin grew very cold and some kind of vibration we still don’t know if it was our imagination or really the spirit was trying to come!!! me and my friend looked at each other and were so scared we let the coin go... after that we were so shocked we didnt speak just kept looking at each other was the spirit with us?? had we set it free coz we broke the connection with the coin... we were all thinking such things when there was a knock on the door... as we were gathering the courage to go and open the door we heard the loud clanging of dishes as if someone was throwing them at our door... then a loud howling from a dog or something all of us screamed and rushed out to the balcony and started shouting for our landlord...

later we came to know it was our landlord's servant who had brought in our lunch and lost control on the stairs mellow.gif


I just saw Preet's writeup on planchette while I was uploading my experience. Earlier, in May 1968 when I was doing my 1st year Engg. at Rourkela there was rumour that the final exams which were hardly a week away were being postponed. Somebody in our hostel got a bright idea and decided that he would find it out on a planchette (ouija board) along with his friends. He got a an answer that the exams would be postponed by 21 days. This started a euphoria in almost every hostel in the campus and there were a series of sessions almost in every block. I was a spectator in one of the sessions and to my surprise all answers to known questions were found correct but with some spelling mistakes. Everyone found their %age marks, class predicted. I along with two of my friends who did not believe at all in these happenings thought that the answers were being manipulated by the persons performing. We decided that we would give a try for ourselves and invited others to our room. Before starting the session we took an oath that we are not going to befool each other at least. We used a tea cup kept inverted on the floor drawing a circle around it with all English alphabet and the nos. We kept all our index fingers on the body of the cup and started concentrating on different deceased souls. Nothing happened for about 1st 15 mins and we kept on changing names. But then, the cup started vibrating in a gyrating motion at the place where it was. We started asking questions which were answered correctly, the cup was using its handle as the indicator touching the alphabets or numbers while moving. We three were staring at each other with disbelief thinking that the others are playing a mischief. Towards the end of the session the cup moved so fast that it was difficult for us to keep our fingers on it in tact. It was said that if anyone takes off his hand from the cup with the spirit inside it, he would be possessed by it. We called off the session successfully when we heard a commotion from the room in the opposite wing. We came to know that there was a session going on in another room simultaneously and one of the boys took off his hand out of excitement when he too got the same answer of 21 days of postponement of the exams. He was reportedly possessed and found struggling for breath as if someone was overpowering him and was shouting 'Leave me, leave me'. It was understood that his fellow performers apologized for his ignorance and he became normal slowly. He was totally ignorant of what happened in between.There was an end to this activity from that day onwards and the exams actually got postponed by 14 days.

Even months after the incident the above boy never disclosed what happened to him exactly. Every one out of the 3 of us still think that someone out of the other two played some mischief.

It is said that man can move an object with his concentration without touching it. Is it the resultant of the concerted effort of all the persons performing the activity? As most of us knew the answers to the questions perhaps we were, though unknowingly, guiding the cup through our will-power (let me call it so for the time being) to show the expected answers. This argument strengthens from the fact that certain questions, of which we were not sure of the answers, were replied waywardly and inconsistently

--Balaji


I feel that a lot of this is manipultion and psychological to the extent that it depends on the mental make up of each person involved,so different reactions...
preet
QUOTE(Reeth @ Apr 17 2007, 02:32 PM) *
I have heard a lot of people being successful in making contact with the spirits?/ how far that is true is anybody's guess... i did participate a couple of times but with no success..

i have had success and there is something really strange with my experience...
but first an introduction tongue1.gif it may sound funny to most ppl but something is their with me that attracts some supernatural powers maybe my Piscean sunsign or whatever.... when i was a baby i would always fall sick and cry for days without any explanation as to what was wrong with me.. one such time i cried so much that my mom feared i would die as i wasnt even eating anything then a neighbor told my mom "isko nazar lagi hai" and she did something with red chilly… within seconds i was smiling and eating properly again....now whenever im sick my mom does that nazar utaaro thing and surprisingly im fine.... once my sister met some tantrik on the train and he suddenly started talking to my sister first he started forecasting her future and as it always happens with ppl on such issues my sister was intrigued and interested and then out of the blues he started talking about her little sister that is me... he said your sister loves black color tell her not to wear it she keeps her hair down tell her to braid and keep it tied all the time she is accident prone and always has one or the other limb broken or injured... my sister was scared witless as it was true about me...

well this might be the reason that bar the first disastrous and unsuccessful experience with planchet… everytime i have tried this i have had a spirit come within seconds and not just any spirit its always the same...

the second time i called a spirit it was me and a friend who had several experiences so there wasnt any risk and also we were not afraid as we lived just next door to a gurdwaara... within seconds both of us felt some vibration and when we asked was there someone present the coin moved on yes i asked my friend if she was moving it to fool me she removed her finger and i asked if the spirit knew anyone in the room the coin moved to yes and i was sure it was moving on its own accord now... on asking who it knew the coin moved on the letter "P" there was only one P in the room so i asked if it was me and it said yes.... so by asking some proper questions we came to the conclusion that it was the spirit of my fathers cousin mamaji who always stayed near me and when a Christian friend present in the room asked if he was my guardian angel he said yes....
we asked many questions and when we were through we asked if he wanted to go and he said yes so we send him away.... but curiosity is a bad thing so we decided to call another spirit and again within seconds the coin started moving and when we asked who it was... it was again my mamaji when i asked if he was the only one who will come when i called he said yes...
when i mentioned this to my father he was very angry but when i started asking if he had any mama with the name initial who lived in the said city who loved him very much he was shocked it was all true... later my mausi on hearing all this asked me to call the spirit again and as always he came at my first call and we asked many question... some of you will say it was just a psychological thing but what will explain the prediction which he gave and it all came true??? he had told me my older sis would get married to a boy in mumbai, his name would start with "V" and it would happen in 2004 the 11th month thas exactly how it happend
he had also told me my second sis would marry a boy whose name would start with an "M" and he would be from delhi... my sisters marriage got fixed with a boy whose name started with "N" and at the time i told my mom how can it be my mamaji has told me it will be M... and would you believe that the marriage was cancelled due to some reason and she is now married to an M!!!! she was supposed to go to US in 2006 she was going to have her baby in 2007 and that all came true.... not just these but there are so many other personal things that came true and lots more remains to be seen though i now need no authenticity regarding this...
but this is true... i just need to keep my finger on the coin and my mamaji answers....i try not to bother him too often its only when any of my family members needs some answers i participate and that too i have reprimanded then not to ask any death or issues that aren’t meant to be answered....


preet
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 18 2007, 11:30 PM) *
I forgot to mention the barking of a pack of dogs. Believe me, their presence rather made me feel good and their barks were music to my ears.

NASIR.
well THIS might not make you feel good about barking dogs anymore Nasir tongue1.gif did you know that dogs are the first one to smell a presence and accordingly they cry or bark....

i stayed at a friends flat which had a haunted flat just next to it and believe me all night long a dog cried its heart out in front of our door i was so scared!!!! afraid.gif
Grrrrrrrr why do i have to see this thread at night time only!!!! i will be reading all the stories tomorrow morning!!!! ninja.gif sad.gif
nasir
QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 19 2007, 01:32 AM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 18 2007, 11:30 PM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 17 2007, 11:34 PM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Oooh, the suspense was really killing me. tongue1.gif

Nasir, did you get a real good look at the thing / person you saw on top of that tamarind tree?

Cud you describe it please?

Noorie


"Real good Look?" Are you kidding? smile.gif
I only know that he was looking at me, and I'm sure he must be knowing that I was a guest of his son to whose house I was heading. I wanted to get away as soon as possible. This is because I had heard that some ghosts who occupy trees they just lengthen their legs from the tree top to the ground. I wanted to escape this horror fastest.
Besides, I wasn't so courageous as to stand there and gape at him. Who knows what might have happened!
I forgot to mention the barking of a pack of dogs. Believe me, their presence rather made me feel good and their barks were music to my ears.
NASIR.


Does that mean you actually believe in the existence of ghosts?

Whatever they are, surely they can't be as bad as living humans?

Perhaps those dogs were in hot pursuit of you and not the 'bhoot' up on the treetop! biggrin.gif

Noorie



If we believe in soul then naturally some are good souls and some bad. Some meet unexpected and untimely demise and roam about biding their time - this being a general belief. According to some Muslims, there are no such things as ghosts but there are JINNS (genies) who do those ghostly stuff. In Islamic literature, lots have been written on Soul or Spirit by Ibn Qayim (KITAAB-AR-RUH) as well as other scholars. What has been written there will surprise many non-muslims too. I used the terms SOUL and SPIRIT in view of the fact that both have been used interchangeably even in Quran al-Majeed.

Human are most dangerous thing on earth, this I agree with you.

Regarding those dogs out there, no they were not after me but rather barking in unison and I made my way right through their pack, thinking that it would be better to face them than that ghost on the tree top.
smile.gif
NASIR.
noorie
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 19 2007, 11:01 PM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 19 2007, 01:32 AM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 18 2007, 11:30 PM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 17 2007, 11:34 PM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Oooh, the suspense was really killing me. tongue1.gif

Nasir, did you get a real good look at the thing / person you saw on top of that tamarind tree?

Cud you describe it please?

Noorie


"Real good Look?" Are you kidding? smile.gif
I only know that he was looking at me, and I'm sure he must be knowing that I was a guest of his son to whose house I was heading. I wanted to get away as soon as possible. This is because I had heard that some ghosts who occupy trees they just lengthen their legs from the tree top to the ground. I wanted to escape this horror fastest.
Besides, I wasn't so courageous as to stand there and gape at him. Who knows what might have happened!
I forgot to mention the barking of a pack of dogs. Believe me, their presence rather made me feel good and their barks were music to my ears.
NASIR.


Does that mean you actually believe in the existence of ghosts?

Whatever they are, surely they can't be as bad as living humans?

Perhaps those dogs were in hot pursuit of you and not the 'bhoot' up on the treetop! biggrin.gif

Noorie



If we believe in soul then naturally some are good souls and some bad. Some meet unexpected and untimely demise and roam about biding their time - this being a general belief. According to some Muslims, there are no such things as ghosts but there are JINNS (genies) who do those ghostly stuff. In Islamic literature, lots have been written on Soul or Spirit by Ibn Qayim (KITAAB-AR-RUH) as well as other scholars. What has been written there will surprise many non-muslims too. I used the terms SOUL and SPIRIT in view of the fact that both have been used interchangeably even in Quran al-Majeed.

Human are most dangerous thing on earth, this I agree with you.

Regarding those dogs out there, no they were not after me but rather barking in unison and I made my way right through their pack, thinking that it would be better to face them than that ghost on the tree top.
smile.gif

NASIR.


That must have been some sight to see. tongue1.gif

Noorie
noorie
QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 19 2007, 11:01 PM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 19 2007, 01:32 AM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 18 2007, 11:30 PM) *

QUOTE(noorie @ Apr 17 2007, 11:34 PM) *

QUOTE(nasir @ Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM) *

QUOTE(HumTum @ Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM) *

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif



hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost excl.gif

NASIR.


Oooh, the suspense was really killing me. tongue1.gif

Nasir, did you get a real good look at the thing / person you saw on top of that tamarind tree?

Cud you describe it please?

Noorie


"Real good Look?" Are you kidding? smile.gif
I only know that he was looking at me, and I'm sure he must be knowing that I was a guest of his son to whose house I was heading. I wanted to get away as soon as possible. This is because I had heard that some ghosts who occupy trees they just lengthen their legs from the tree top to the ground. I wanted to escape this horror fastest.
Besides, I wasn't so courageous as to stand there and gape at him. Who knows what might have happened!
I forgot to mention the barking of a pack of dogs. Believe me, their presence rather made me feel good and their barks were music to my ears.
NASIR.


Does that mean you actually believe in the existence of ghosts?

Whatever they are, surely they can't be as bad as living humans?

Perhaps those dogs were in hot pursuit of you and not the 'bhoot' up on the treetop! biggrin.gif

Noorie



If we believe in soul then naturally some are good souls and some bad. Some meet unexpected and untimely demise and roam about biding their time - this being a general belief. According to some Muslims, there are no such things as ghosts but there are JINNS (genies) who do those ghostly stuff. In Islamic literature, lots have been written on Soul or Spirit by Ibn Qayim (KITAAB-AR-RUH) as well as other scholars. What has been written there will surprise many non-muslims too. I used the terms SOUL and SPIRIT in view of the fact that both have been used interchangeably even in Quran al-Majeed.

Human are most dangerous thing on earth, this I agree with you.

Regarding those dogs out there, no they were not after me but rather barking in unison and I made my way right through their pack, thinking that it would be better to face them than that ghost on the tree top.
smile.gif
NASIR.


Given a choice I wud unhesitantly put my trust in a ghostly spirit rather than a living human whose antecedents I know. rolleyes.gif This is no boast, I am ready 2 prove it any day / night. tongue1.gif

Noorie
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