Haneef, that is the Islamic view-point. A belief.

The other one is a fatalistic theory.

You can't possibly reconcile the two; it isn't worth trying.


Noorie

An "enigma" and me? I cud say the same about you.

Reeth, you want 2 see the "real thing", then how about booking urself into Chillingham Castle said 2 be the most haunted castle in England.
Has dungeons, even a torture chamber.

CHILLINGHAM CASTLE

History

Chillingham Castle Has Protected Its Inhabitants For 800 Years. Having been owned by Earls Grey and their descendants since the 1200s, Chillingham Castle bears the scars of battle and has felt the sorrows of abandonment. The early beginnings of this Northumberland fortification date far back to the 1100s, following the Norman Conquest. A Norman nobleman, in hopes of providing his family with a prosperous estate, built the original watchtower of Chillingham, which would be used for centuries to warn inhabitants of potential invasion and bloodshed.

Due to its strategic location, many infamous characters have resided within the dark castle walls. One of the first visitors, though only residing within the watch tower, was England's King Edward I. Better known as “Edward Longshanks”, he stopped en route to war, where he was destined to fight the legendary Scottish hero William Wallace. His ancient room is still intact. Other residents were not guests, but were forced to call Chillingham home. Deserted inmates seized from numerous battles could be found counting down the depressing days of their imprisonment within the castle's shadowy depths. The torture chamber displays gruesome instruments used to inflict pain and punishment, such as a bed of nails, a stretching rack, thumb screws and branding irons, and the dungeon walls are etched with notes from its despondant population.

A witness to violence, Chillingham has also experienced it first hand. With raging armies to the north, attacks were not uncommon—thus explaining the many enhancements made to the castle’s defense system throughout history. It has a surrounding moat, a 12-foot-thick defense system and several towers, but after regularly accommodating the first unified King of Scotland and England on his journeys between the two nations, Chillingham began to be transformed. Violence faded, and in contradiction to previous reinforcements, Chillingham underwent an aesthetic makeover, replacing previous defenses with residential luxuries formerly unknown. It became a lavish estate with landscaped grounds and gardens, depicting the peace that would continue to sweep across the area of Northumberland, England and Scotland.

Centuries later, in a time more familiar, Chillingham was used as a barracks during the Second World War. Soon after, the castle fell into wretchedness haunted by infestation and rot. Though the castle was abandoned and the Grey family moved to a new home, the area would soon be restored to the magnificence that once radiated from within its core, and that can till be found today.

Hauntings

The name Chillingham Castle speaks for itself, as it is thought to be one of the most haunted castles in Britain. Unnerving accounts of ghost sightings from witnesses of both the past and present have given Chillingham its chilling reputation. The Blue Boy, or Radiant Boy, could possibly be the castle's most famous ghost. It used to be that at midnight, when the clock tower struck 12, there were fearful moans and cries coming from The Pink Room—a bedroom within the castle. After the moaning stopped, supposedly anyone in the bedroom would see a blurry image of a boy dressed all in blue, accompanied by a bright halo of light surrounding the four-poster bed. In the 1920s, a young boy’s remains were found by construction workers behind a 10-foot-thick wall and given a proper burial. Sightings of the Blue Boy have since ceased.

Another ghost believed to haunt the castle is that of Lady Mary Berkeley. In her time she was the wife of Ford, Lord Grey of Wark and Chillingham, and Earl of Tankerville. Having deserted his wife and their child, Berkeley was left to wallow in sorrow within the castle walls. The rustle of her dress is said to be audible as she wanders sadly through the hallways.

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Chillingham Castle

Noorie

Not just a castle or mansion, but even an outhouse, servants' help quarters, an abandoned well and a disused rail shunting station, can be haunted; I wud be sceptical if I hadn't 'seen' and 'felt' it 4 myself.

Noorie

Speaking of castles which are far away from the countryside is understandable. What would you say if an entire building is haunted and that too right in the heart of the city?

Once, when I was in Bahrain, an arab friend while showing me the country pointed out a 7-storey building right in the heart of the city and located at the intersection of four roads. It was completely vacant. He said that the building was haunted by the Jinns. Imagine!

NASIR.

ym bobby can defeat u any time any where------haan last time tum jeet gaye thee but tum kaise jeete ye sabko maaloom hai---aur bobby ko maaloom thaa ki former admin tumhare against kuch bhi nahin karenge--aur nuksaan bobby ka hi hoga--phir bhi ya hamari hi himmat thi ki itna sab jaante hue bhi tumse takra gaye--aur hf ko jitna nuksaan ym ki vajeh se hua hai-vo tou shayad hi kabhi puraa ho paye ye baat bhi sab jaante hain--
---aapke dost---azgar khan sahab kehte hain ki ym thoda sa blunt hai isliye log usko bura samjhte hai tou bhai mere -phir blunt hone ka koi scale nahin hota hai--aur na hi aisa ho sakta hai ki jis scale tak tumhara dost blunt hai--bas vahin tak jayaj hai--doosra koi ym se bhi jyada blunt ho sakta hai-----and ym---ye baat tou bhool jao ki neutral place or judges ke beech tum mere ko tou kya ek chote bachche ko bhi defeat de sakte ho---cause u r a sick person--jiska ilaaz bas ek hi hai--do teen baar pehle bhi medicine de chuka hoon---chahte ho tou ek baar phir doon kya??

bobby why dont we all start afresh?/ plz forget all the past happenings and move on.....it is a new scene here on hf now, new admin......be part of everything... why don;t you share some of your experience here....??

Thanks Nasir, that was very illuminating.

The concept of freewill and predetermination is one of those wonderful philosophical / theological paradoxes that exist in nearly all religions of the world, and it’s not something that can be resolved easily ‘coz no one so far has come up with all the satisfactory answers.

So, cud we move on 2 saner topics like ghost busting please?

Noorie

Let's move on......
I have some more personal experiences about the "ghosts". Two of them involve tactile sensation and one just aural or sound sensation. I'll relate the latter:

We had a small building located in the Central Bombay - Byculla to be specific. This was taken from the Maharani of Diwaas. In fact this building used to be a Bungalow of the Rajah of Diwaas. We converted the building into tenements and gave rooms on rent to various tenants on the first floor. The portion above the first floor was equally spacious but lying useless and desolate when we thought of constructing rooms.
That portion used to be dark even during bright days and very eerie too. Briefly, we made rooms on the portion that we can call the 2nd floor. One big room was given to a Sari Printer, another to a Purse Maker. Rest were all vacant. In a room located in a corner I used to sleep all by myself. All other rooms were vacant.

After a few days, it was reported someone is heard walking at night on the second floor. Again, it was reported that things are being removed from one place to another in that area. Since I used to sleep alone in my room I thought it would be better to sleep in company of that purse wallah who was our tenant.
So that night I did just that. Sometime, after midnight, I was woken up by that purse wallah. I got up rubbing my eyes. He pointed out in a direction. There I saw his assistance, named Babu, sitting with his hands holding his stomach tight as if in pain. With wide eyes he was staring in one particular location, unable to speak. He looked terrible with a contorted face. It was frightening.

Quietly I whispered into the ears of the purse wallah what was the reason for Babu's posture. He said he didn't know. All of a sudden, the said Babu gave a shriek and jumped at us. We shifted back. Thereafter he started wailing. We made him keep quiet and asked him to sleep in our midst. All night I lay awake, scared that Babu would suddenly attack us. I decided it was better to sleep in my own room all alone than face the dangers in purse-wallah's room.

So the next night I took a dagger with me and put it underneath my pillow and lay there on my bed. Then at about 11.30 p.m. I clearly heard the sound of someone walking. The sound was clear: 'tak, TAK, tak, TAK. " Between "Fleeing and Facing" I took the latter option. Immediately I jumped out of my bed, opened and door and leaned out to see who it was. Simultaneously, I also noticed that the purse-wallah and the Sari Printer also were cheking out the sound. But no one was seen.

I decided to avoid the second floor and remained on the first floor. It was sometime during this period that I was told that the Sari wallah who had slept on the small adjoining terrace there, was actually picked up and thrown back into the interior space. Fortunately he was not thrown down from the terrace to the earth below.

When more and more rooms were built and with the new tenants coming in, gradually we got rid of that Stalking Terror. But one thing did emerge that it was not some evil ghost, but some Pure Sou.

NASIR.

Nasir Bhai,
I have heard a lot of times from different people that if a person sleeps right in front of the entrance of Masjids which are frequented by 'Paak Jinns', & if he doesn't get up on time for the Fajar Prayer, He is moved by the Jinns to a corner.
I am not sure if this is true or not ... just revealing what I heard.

Haneef

Why into a "corner"?

Noorie

Noorie Ji,
I meant to say they (Jinns) supposedly drag the 'sleepers' away from the entrance, so that they are not in the way.
Now How 'bout sharing your experience.

Haneef

How about a bargain? I might consider it, if you stop being a sceptic first.
Do you think you cud accomplish that?

Noorie

Noorie Ji,
Its hard to believe something which I have not 'seen',
O.K How about " Maybe they exist (Devils or Restless Spirits .. whatever)".
... Will that statement Work ?
Lets see now, if you keep your part of the deal.

Haneef

"Maybe"? That still sounds sceptical.

Let me rephrase that; what wud it take 4 you 2 be convinced beyond any doubt that paranormal phenomena is a reality ?

Noorie

reeth sahab kuch log kabhi bhi shanti nahin chahte hain---aap hi dekhiye--yahhaan bhi kaun pehle start hua hai----aur aise hi chalta raha tou bro--mere paas share karne ke liye fights ke hi experience reh jayenge- -thoda sa gyan is ym ko bhi dijiye aap sab log---kyunki main tou isko wahi de sakta hoon jo ye aadmi deserve karta hai---

Let's move on......
I have some more personal experiences about the "ghosts". Two of them involve tactile sensation and one just aural or sound sensation. I'll relate the latter:

We had a small building located in the Central Bombay - Byculla to be specific. This was taken from the Maharani of Diwaas. In fact this building used to be a Bungalow of the Rajah of Diwaas. We converted the building into tenements and gave rooms on rent to various tenants on the first floor. The portion above the first floor was equally spacious but lying useless and desolate when we thought of constructing rooms.
That portion used to be dark even during bright days and very eerie too. Briefly, we made rooms on the portion that we can call the 2nd floor. One big room was given to a Sari Printer, another to a Purse Maker. Rest were all vacant. In a room located in a corner I used to sleep all by myself. All other rooms were vacant.

After a few days, it was reported someone is heard walking at night on the second floor. Again, it was reported that things are being removed from one place to another in that area. Since I used to sleep alone in my room I thought it would be better to sleep in company of that purse wallah who was our tenant.
So that night I did just that. Sometime, after midnight, I was woken up by that purse wallah. I got up rubbing my eyes. He pointed out in a direction. There I saw his assistance, named Babu, sitting with his hands holding his stomach tight as if in pain. With wide eyes he was staring in one particular location, unable to speak. He looked terrible with a contorted face. It was frightening.

Quietly I whispered into the ears of the purse wallah what was the reason for Babu's posture. He said he didn't know. All of a sudden, the said Babu gave a shriek and jumped at us. We shifted back. Thereafter he started wailing. We made him keep quiet and asked him to sleep in our midst. All night I lay awake, scared that Babu would suddenly attack us. I decided it was better to sleep in my own room all alone than face the dangers in purse-wallah's room.

So the next night I took a dagger with me and put it underneath my pillow and lay there on my bed. Then at about 11.30 p.m. I clearly heard the sound of someone walking. The sound was clear: 'tak, TAK, tak, TAK. " Between "Fleeing and Facing" I took the latter option. Immediately I jumped out of my bed, opened and door and leaned out to see who it was. Simultaneously, I also noticed that the purse-wallah and the Sari Printer also were cheking out the sound. But no one was seen.

I decided to avoid the second floor and remained on the first floor. It was sometime during this period that I was told that the Sari wallah who had slept on the small adjoining terrace there, was actually picked up and thrown back into the interior space. Fortunately he was not thrown down from the terrace to the earth below.

When more and more rooms were built and with the new tenants coming in, gradually we got rid of that Stalking Terror. But one thing did emerge that it was not some evil ghost, but some Pure Sou.

NASIR.

How about a bargain? I might consider it, if you stop being a sceptic first.
Do you think you cud accomplish that?

Noorie

"Maybe"? That still sounds sceptical.

Let me rephrase that; what wud it take 4 you 2 be convinced beyond any doubt that paranormal phenomena is a reality ?

Noorie

I would have to see it to believe it.

Can you please share your experience about the paranormal.
I heard that even Ghosts prefer to scare the opposite sex.

Haneef

She is putting up her price... plz do the honors noorie.......

A lot of buildings seem to be haunted in Mumbai.......makes sense with all that crowd..........hve to co exist i guess

'Even" ? Haneef, it seems to me that you know a whole lot about ghosts and their preferences, more than you let on, by your posts.

Mine wasn't 'scary' at all, at least not in the 'typical' sense.
I'll save my ghostly encounters ( that's right, more than one) 4 the last, after everyone else has exhausted sharing their's.

Noorie

Nasir Bhai,
I have heard a lot of times from different people that if a person sleeps right in front of the entrance of Masjids which are frequented by 'Paak Jinns', & if he doesn't get up on time for the Fajar Prayer, He is moved by the Jinns to a corner.
I am not sure if this is true or not ... just revealing what I heard.

Haneef

Haneef bhai, that's a very common occurrence - Jinns occupying Mosques. I have heard many tales in this regard.

Haneef bhai, that's a very common occurrence - Jinns occupying Mosques. I have heard many tales in this regard. One that instantly comes to mind is the one told by my Bahraini arab friend. It seems he along with his group while on rounds slept in one Masjid. In the morning they got up for the Fajr prayers. But they found some still sleeping. He was covered from head to foot with a blanket. He went to wake him up and actually touched him when he literally got a terrible shock. In moments the body disappeared from his sight.

In fact such tales are many. The Jinns pray even the Tahajjud (after midnight prayers) while in abandoned Masjid they pray at all fixed times. Then, if they find a person sleeping on the way, they may even throw him after due warnings.

I will come to this later, Insha Allah. It's midnight here, and the Cyber Cafe is about to be closed.

NASIR.

Was I really? For I wasn't aware of that Reeth.

Noorie

Not really, unless the netherworld is equally crowded, and there too they have 2 jostle 4 space.

Noorie

The witching hour......

Noorie

Nasir Bhai, I heard about these incidences from various diff. people , ... so could it be true ?

Did you also ever hear about 'Jinns' buying flowers/sweets using 'coal' as a mode of payment, & later that coal changing into gold nugget the next day.
I really believed that as a kid, but now ... 'Naah ! it was just a story ... maybe'.

Haneef

It seems the genies are very fond of perfumes and sweets. So it is said that the shop doing these businesses usually flourish. Naturally, such shops would be open after midnight - the time when people wonder why at all the shop remains open. I haven't heard about the form of payment.

But then, we always have to distinguish between the good and the bad Jinns.

NASIR.

i can well believe that....


Let me share one more story as told by an old relative of mine...He is a retd army Brigadier nearly 80 yrs old if i am not mistaken, an absolutely interesting person......still drives n is very active.....he shared one of his mysterious experiences with me ..
This took place in the early sixties while he had come to coorg on his annual vaccation...he and 3 of his friends decided to go for a shikari( those days it was fashionable i guess) so they set out on a jeep taking all the neccessary things and after venturing into the forest they had to leave the jeep as there was no proper road .....so they walked around and having shot some birds and the like, decided to get back to the jeep and found that they were completely lost....after trying various different directions suddenly they noticed a small settlement with a few huts, one often comes across these suddenly.......they decided to get help from there....just as they were approaching it , it began to rain heavily and they ran towards the first hut and tried the door.It was open so they walked in and found no one there. But there were signs of life, there was a fire burning on one side in a grate, the kind one sees in villages.....they waited for some time and apparently all of them fell asleep on the floor out of sheer exhaustion...when they woke up they found it was already dark but the rain had stopped, and they went out and found a couple of people moving about in the distance .....went to them and since it was dark they could hardly make them out....aked for direction and one of them nodded and came with them ,it seems he walked without the help of any light,but these people inspite of carrying torches were unable to keep pace with him....and when they came near to the place where they had parked the jeep he had already gone.....
later they recounted this incident to a forest officer friend of theirs and he was astonished to hear this, since they know every inch of the forest....according to him the little settlement that was there had been burnt down a couple of years ago.....

I too agree that there has 2 be some other convincing explanation 4 what happened that night.

Perhaps it was a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and sumone ingeniously came up with the ghost story 2 cover up the real happenings.

Whatever, it still makes 4 a brilliant after dinner story.

Noorie

But then, we always have to distinguish between the good and the bad Jinns.

NASIR.

Nasir Bhai, I have this friend who was studying for medicine & was very religious.
My last years visit to Hyd, all the other friends told me not to meet him becuz' he is said to be possessed by a 'Paak Jinn' & he simply hits/slaps others if you say something he doesn't agree with.
He didn't even recognize me, & I have'nt changed at all in appearance in the past 5 yrs we didnt meet.

Haneef

It cud be all that studying.....

Being a med student is tough!

Noorie

Reeth could it be possible that they (tribesmen) had relocated in this new place & did not lit up the place.
Fearing they would be found out again & removed forcefully from their houses/huts.
People can adapt seeing in the dark, I for sure need total darkness in the bedroom before I hit the bed for sleep.

Haneef

You mean to say all Docs. are crazy.

Haneef

Like a cat, you mean? Cats are believed to be mysterious creatures, and are commonly associated with witchcraft. Especially black cats with golden eyes.

Has one ever crossed your path Haneef?

Noorie

You seem to know a great deal about Witch Craft.
So exactly when are you going to let your cat out of the bag.

I guess I am unlucky for some people.

Haneef

I too agree that there has 2 be some other convincing explanation 4 what happened that night.

Perhaps it was a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and sumone ingeniously came up with the ghost story 2 cover up the real happenings.

Whatever, it still makes 4 a brilliant after dinner story.

Noorie

Reeth could it be possible that they (tribesmen) had relocated in this new place & did not lit up the place.
Fearing they would be found out again & removed forcefully from their houses/huts.
People can adapt seeing in the dark, I for sure need total darkness in the bedroom before I hit the bed for sleep.

Haneef

Yes there could be some explaination to this.......... but once we come to know the truth the element of mystery wd be lost.........so better to leave it as it is....what say?

That's the same as a poltergeist, right?

Noorie

Nasir Bhai, I have this friend who was studying for medicine & was very religious.
My last years visit to Hyd, all the other friends told me not to meet him becuz' he is said to be possessed by a 'Paak Jinn' & he simply hits/slaps others if you say something he doesn't agree with.
He didn't even recognize me, & I have'nt changed at all in appearance in the past 5 yrs we didnt meet.

Haneef

Nasir Bhai,
I had this college senior staying next to my room during my college days, Once he told everybody that the house he lives in Hyd. is possessed by Jinns.
He said that whenever they would put some stuff in a place, it would be moved to a diff. place in the house (the next instant), he also revealed that they had finally come to peace with the Jinns in that house, & they don't bother them anymore.
According to him Jinns are made of Fire, while we humans are made of Sand, Water & Fire (The anger in us is supposed to be fire), & these Jinns are scared of our Anger.

Haneef