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hi

I have got an excerpt from internet .I am producing it here

": Hello Peoplez,
: I love the music of the golden era 40's, 50's and 60's , and I want some information about one of the most famous singer of that era :- Shamshad begum. I have never read any interview on her, and I have never seen any picture of her appearing in any magazine. However, I know something indirectly about her, appearing in other people interviews and biographies. Those people who don't listen to the oldies, or don't know any about her, here are some facts which will refresh your memory!

: 1. She was one of the most famous singers of the 40's with a nasal voice which had no parallel at that time. She first ruled the lahore film industry and later migrated to bombay, where music directors fell over each other to sign her for their films.

: 2. She along with Geeta dutt were the ONLY singers, who survived the onslaught of lata, in the 50's. All three of them were the numero unos, and all other singers including Asha Bhosle (till 1958) used to come to second place (Lata Biography, Raju Bharatan).

: 3. According to the lyricist Gulshan Bawra, Shamshad Begum along with Mukesh have the highest average song success ratio. This means 95% or more of her songs were popular and are still popular today.

: 4. She sang her most famous duets with all male singers, including Kishore Kumar, Mohd Rafi, G.M Durrani, Talat Mahmood, Mukesh and Manna dey. Even her 3 duets with Hemant Kumar were super hits at that time.

: 5.She also gave us the most famous same sex duets with all female singers including, Noor-Jehan, Lata, Asha Bhosle, Geeta Dutt and Suraiya. According to the Geet Kosh , she sang 27 duets with Lata and 54 with Asha Bhosle, making her the only non-mangeshkar singer (excluding Usha Mangeshkar), who sang the maximum number of songs with Lata and Asha.

: 6. She was used as a platform by all Music directors to move on to Lata and Asha Bhosle including O.P. nayyar, Chitragupta, Madan Mohan, C.Ramchandra, Naushad, S.N. Tripathi and S.D. Burman. According to Raju Bharatan, in Lata Biography, it is mentioned that she helped all new music directors and supported them to acquire a secure place in film industry, who later left her for either Asha or Lata and started to gave her raw deals. Some examples include, Shabnam (*ing Dilip Kumar,1949) music by S.D. Burman (primary singer was shamshad and all of the songs were super hits which helped S.D. Burman alot). Ankhein (1950, *ing:- Nalini Jaywant, first film of Madan Mohan), all of the songs were sung ny Shamshad, as Madan Mohan was new comer and lata refused to sang for him, and Shamshad helped him. Sinbad the Sailor (1952, *ing:- Naseem Bano), music by Chitragupta had that famous duet of Mohd Rafi and Shamshad "Ada see jhoomtey huwey, nainoun kou choomtey huwey", that boosted his career, and helped him get A grade movies. Even Naushad said "whatever sucess I have got until now, usmein Shamshad begum ka buhut bara haath hai". As Shamshad was a favorite singer of Naushad along with Lata.

: 7. Even those music directors who didn't like her nasal voice and gave her only 1 or 2 songs, were amazed at the success her songs bought for them. For example, Shankar Jaikishan gave her only one solo in Awaara (*ing Raj Kapoor, Nargis) "ek do teen, aaja mausam hai rangein", which broke all success records at that time. Other example is Sulil Chawdhury, who gave her only 3 songs, one solo and two duets with Manna dey, all of them were great songs. Those were "Teri meri humsey phirey sarie duniya, 2. deshi kiya videshi kiya, sunder bhi kitna, 3. dil mera na jaane re na jaane re". Even Anil Biswas who didn't like her voice at all, Shamshad made her songs of Veena(1948) very popular including "Panchi aur pardesi dono nahin kisie kai meet re".

: 8. She was the favorite singer of Naushad, O.P Nayyar, Ghulam Mohammed and Ghulam Haider, who used her voice to the full extent and range as possible.

: 9. O.P. Nayyar who turned to Asha Bhosle in the 60's, admits in his most recent interview that "I am to blame myself in the position I am today. My only regret in life is that I didn't stick to Geeta dutt voice, and ignored her for Asha Bhosle. As I was involved very emotionally with Asha Bhosle at that time, and Asha Bhosle didn't wanted me to compose songs for any other female singer, this almost stopped me to use any other female voice. Asha Bhosle says that my compositions were very intricate and complex to sing, and me(Asha) and Mohd Rafi can only give 80% to O.P.Nayyar songs. I (Nayyar) think she is lying, she and Mohd Rafi could only give 40% to my music. The only singers who can give 100% and did full justice to my songs were Geeta Dutt and Shamshad Begum. (Source:- rediff.com) (I think O.P. Nayyar along with Kedar Sharma and are the only ones to admit to Lata and Asha monopoly in the Film Industry. Maybe there are many other incidents too where they stopped music directors to use other female voices, as many singers including Suman Kulyanpur, Vani Jairam and Mubarak Begum blamed Lata and Asha for that. All of them can't be lying, what you people think?

: 10. Why didn't O.P Nayyar used lata even once for any of his songs? The story goes like that...
: The song "Piya Aan na sakhie more nainan mein" have to be originally sung by Lata Mangeshkar. As this was O.P Nayyar first movie (Aasmaan, 1951), Lata refused to sing for new music director and the song was recorded in Rajkumari voice in a hurry. O.P. Nayyar had lots of self-respect and ego, and he sweared to himelf, that he will be popular without using Lata voice even once, and he proved it! Lata in her recent interview says diplomatically, "I fell sick and therfore I wasn't able to go, and the recording was cancelled". The other songs of Aasmaan were sung by Shamshad Begum and Geeta Dutt and C.H. Atma.

: 11. Lata also gave troubles to almost all music directors and other co-singers. There was a dispute with Naushad over the royalty of songs. Mohd Rafi and Lata, didn't sang with each other for almost a decade, when Suman was paired with Rafi, and they were going sucessfully. After lata-rafi friendship Suman Kulyanpur again went into oblivion. S.D.Burman also had trouble with lata, starting from the film Sitaroun sai AAGE, and didn't used her voice for almost seven more years. (This gave boost to Asha career). Other troubles lata created were with Khaiyaam and Kidar Sharma. In Kidar Sharma interview the song "kabhi tanhaiyoun mai youn hamarie yaad aayey gie" have to be originally sung by Lata. But lata wanted Kidar Sharma to pay her driver too. When he refused to pay, Lata said "mera gala kharab hai, i can't sing". Kidar sharma answered "get out, yeh dhandlie yahan nahin chaley gie", and then the song was recorded in Mubarak Begum voice and was a huge hit.


I suppose you are all familiar with the tons of songs she sang in Panjabi (superior, in my opinion to even Surinder Kaur, of whom I am a fan; I think the Panjabi music exploited her voice range to a far greater degree in songs such as "Batti baal ke banere utte" etc.
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Thanks
Ashish
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sbfan

Hi friends

As we all know that contoversy was creted following the death of Saira banu's grandmother Shamshad begum that it was declared that the singer has died. i found an excerpt on

http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2004/...11511200437.htm

It tells how this contoversy resolved. was it that after this the interviews took place in october 2004

"Shamshad Begum, the legendary singer of filmdom of yesteryears was recently in the news but for mistaken identity. The publication of the news of Shamshad’s death had obviously convinced her fans and general public that the legendary singer had died. Shishir Sharma, a columnist who probably specialises in finding the whereabouts of long forgotten film personalities says that after several months nay years’ search he was not only able to locate but actually meet her. The 85 - year old, extremely publicity shy Shamshad Begum who comfortably lives in Mumbai with her daughter and son-in-law told him that Shamshad Begum whose death was reported by media was actually film actress Saira Bano’s maternal grand mother. She strictly forbade Shishir Sharma not to disclose to any one regarding her whereabouts. After the death of her husband Ganpat Lal Batto in 1955 she has been living with her daughter "

Regards

Ashish.
Ummer
QUOTE
": Hello Peoplez,
: I love the music of the golden era 40's, 50's and 60's , and I want some information about one of the most famous singer of that era :- Shamshad begum. I have never read any interview on her, and I have never seen any picture of her appearing in any magazine. However, I know something indirectly about her, appearing in other people interviews and biographies. Those people who don't listen to the oldies, or don't know any about her, here are some facts which will refresh your memory!

: 1. She was one of the most famous singers of the 40's with a nasal voice which had no parallel at that time. She first ruled the lahore film industry and later migrated to bombay, where music directors fell over each other to sign her for their films.

: 2. She along with Geeta dutt were the ONLY singers, who survived the onslaught of lata, in the 50's. All three of them were the numero unos, and all other singers including Asha Bhosle (till 1958) used to come to second place (Lata Biography, Raju Bharatan).

: 3. According to the lyricist Gulshan Bawra, Shamshad Begum along with Mukesh have the highest average song success ratio. This means 95% or more of her songs were popular and are still popular today.

: 4. She sang her most famous duets with all male singers, including Kishore Kumar, Mohd Rafi, G.M Durrani, Talat Mahmood, Mukesh and Manna dey. Even her 3 duets with Hemant Kumar were super hits at that time.

: 5.She also gave us the most famous same sex duets with all female singers including, Noor-Jehan, Lata, Asha Bhosle, Geeta Dutt and Suraiya. According to the Geet Kosh , she sang 27 duets with Lata and 54 with Asha Bhosle, making her the only non-mangeshkar singer (excluding Usha Mangeshkar), who sang the maximum number of songs with Lata and Asha.

: 6. She was used as a platform by all Music directors to move on to Lata and Asha Bhosle including O.P. nayyar, Chitragupta, Madan Mohan, C.Ramchandra, Naushad, S.N. Tripathi and S.D. Burman. According to Raju Bharatan, in Lata Biography, it is mentioned that she helped all new music directors and supported them to acquire a secure place in film industry, who later left her for either Asha or Lata and started to gave her raw deals. Some examples include, Shabnam (*ing Dilip Kumar,1949) music by S.D. Burman (primary singer was shamshad and all of the songs were super hits which helped S.D. Burman alot). Ankhein (1950, *ing:- Nalini Jaywant, first film of Madan Mohan), all of the songs were sung ny Shamshad, as Madan Mohan was new comer and lata refused to sang for him, and Shamshad helped him. Sinbad the Sailor (1952, *ing:- Naseem Bano), music by Chitragupta had that famous duet of Mohd Rafi and Shamshad "Ada see jhoomtey huwey, nainoun kou choomtey huwey", that boosted his career, and helped him get A grade movies. Even Naushad said "whatever sucess I have got until now, usmein Shamshad begum ka buhut bara haath hai". As Shamshad was a favorite singer of Naushad along with Lata.

: 7. Even those music directors who didn't like her nasal voice and gave her only 1 or 2 songs, were amazed at the success her songs bought for them. For example, Shankar Jaikishan gave her only one solo in Awaara (*ing Raj Kapoor, Nargis) "ek do teen, aaja mausam hai rangein", which broke all success records at that time. Other example is Sulil Chawdhury, who gave her only 3 songs, one solo and two duets with Manna dey, all of them were great songs. Those were "Teri meri humsey phirey sarie duniya, 2. deshi kiya videshi kiya, sunder bhi kitna, 3. dil mera na jaane re na jaane re". Even Anil Biswas who didn't like her voice at all, Shamshad made her songs of Veena(1948) very popular including "Panchi aur pardesi dono nahin kisie kai meet re".

: 8. She was the favorite singer of Naushad, O.P Nayyar, Ghulam Mohammed and Ghulam Haider, who used her voice to the full extent and range as possible.

: 9. O.P. Nayyar who turned to Asha Bhosle in the 60's, admits in his most recent interview that "I am to blame myself in the position I am today. My only regret in life is that I didn't stick to Geeta dutt voice, and ignored her for Asha Bhosle. As I was involved very emotionally with Asha Bhosle at that time, and Asha Bhosle didn't wanted me to compose songs for any other female singer, this almost stopped me to use any other female voice. Asha Bhosle says that my compositions were very intricate and complex to sing, and me(Asha) and Mohd Rafi can only give 80% to O.P.Nayyar songs. I (Nayyar) think she is lying, she and Mohd Rafi could only give 40% to my music. The only singers who can give 100% and did full justice to my songs were Geeta Dutt and Shamshad Begum. (Source:- rediff.com) (I think O.P. Nayyar along with Kedar Sharma and are the only ones to admit to Lata and Asha monopoly in the Film Industry. Maybe there are many other incidents too where they stopped music directors to use other female voices, as many singers including Suman Kulyanpur, Vani Jairam and Mubarak Begum blamed Lata and Asha for that. All of them can't be lying, what you people think?

: 10. Why didn't O.P Nayyar used lata even once for any of his songs? The story goes like that...
: The song "Piya Aan na sakhie more nainan mein" have to be originally sung by Lata Mangeshkar. As this was O.P Nayyar first movie (Aasmaan, 1951), Lata refused to sing for new music director and the song was recorded in Rajkumari voice in a hurry. O.P. Nayyar had lots of self-respect and ego, and he sweared to himelf, that he will be popular without using Lata voice even once, and he proved it! Lata in her recent interview says diplomatically, "I fell sick and therfore I wasn't able to go, and the recording was cancelled". The other songs of Aasmaan were sung by Shamshad Begum and Geeta Dutt and C.H. Atma.

: 11. Lata also gave troubles to almost all music directors and other co-singers. There was a dispute with Naushad over the royalty of songs. Mohd Rafi and Lata, didn't sang with each other for almost a decade, when Suman was paired with Rafi, and they were going sucessfully. After lata-rafi friendship Suman Kulyanpur again went into oblivion. S.D.Burman also had trouble with lata, starting from the film Sitaroun sai AAGE, and didn't used her voice for almost seven more years. (This gave boost to Asha career). Other troubles lata created were with Khaiyaam and Kidar Sharma. In Kidar Sharma interview the song "kabhi tanhaiyoun mai youn hamarie yaad aayey gie" have to be originally sung by Lata. But lata wanted Kidar Sharma to pay her driver too. When he refused to pay, Lata said "mera gala kharab hai, i can't sing". Kidar sharma answered "get out, yeh dhandlie yahan nahin chaley gie", and then the song was recorded in Mubarak Begum voice and was a huge hit.


I suppose you are all familiar with the tons of songs she sang in Panjabi (superior, in my opinion to even Surinder Kaur, of whom I am a fan; I think the Panjabi music exploited her voice range to a far greater degree in songs such as "Batti baal ke banere utte" etc.


lol! Hello Ashish,
That write up was by me on Sulekha Forums long time ago. It was 4 years ago. smile1.gif. I didnt know ppl were still reading it tongue.gif

Ummer.
sbfan
QUOTE(Ummer @ Jul 7 2005, 04:04 PM)





hi ummer ji

yes i had taken this article from sulekha coffeehouse. actually i wanted to post some good article at this shamshad begum forum. but on net all the other articles were saying"she was expired in 1998 " and almost copy of each other. while this article was different with data like " she and mukesh had record of giving hit songs " so i selected it to upload..and it was my first upload in this forum.it was with me right from 2001,very informative detailed piece.

with warm regards
Ashish
sbfan
hi

recently from an O.P Nayyar interview i got this

so, he remains India's only big-time music director never to have recorded a song with Lata Mangeshkar. "Shamshad Begum was the best singer of my time. She nursed a grudge against me because I never gave her a good enough break once I teamed up with Asha," he added in retrospect. One can believe that.


My generation might recall kajra mohabbatwala from the Biswajit-Babita starrer Kismat, which also featured classics like Aao huzoor tumko sitaron mein le chaloon and Laakhon hain yahan dilwale. In 'Kajra', an Asha-Shamshad duet, Nayyar's flame was made to outdo the veteran quite deliberately."

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also when this song was to be recorded she had quit the music industry according to Nayyar and it was on his personal request after denials she agreed to lend her voice in this song
I personally feel that though she had quit the industry but her one or two songs continue to appear after 1968 ,especially in punjabi films

do add

regards

ashish
Ummer
Hello Ashish,
Do you have full interview of O.P Nayyar.

I have seen a Shamshad Begum song as late as 1975.
sbfan
Thanks Ummer ji

Actually it cannot be termed as a question -answer session interview but a visit to him.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp...xt&writer=mitra

I will soon find out the Nayyarji's interview.
I remember watching shamshad begum on tv not her interview but used in some music program where she herself mentioned it

also large number of sources on net say this

at filmfare online edition
http://downloads.movies.indiatimes.com/sit...001/tunen1.html

it is said that "After Shamshad Begum sang Kajra mohabbatwala, for Biswajeet, she never sang again for a Hindi film"

at this page of daily The Hindu it is mentioned same

"http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2004/03/01/stories/2004030100270400.htm"

also at http://www.downmelodylane.com/shamshad.html
it is mentioned that
"Even the one rendered in 1960s for Kismat, after her retirement: 'Kajra Mohabbat Wala Ankhiyon Mein Aisa Dala..' composed by O.P. Naiyyar, proved a superhit."
I am also confused as i know that her songs came after 1968 too, can you tell about the 1975 song.i will find the nayyar's interview soon,

warm regards

ashish

Ummer
Hello Ashish,
What about this duet with Mahendra Kapoor from Ratoun ka Raja composed by R.D. Burman :-

"Pyar kiya tou darna kiya".

The movie was released in 1970, therefore this sung must have come after 1968.

I have seen 1 song of Shamshad listed as late as 1975, lemme find the source and I will get back at you smile1.gif



sbfan

Hi Umeer ji

i can recall my discussion with brgarg ji that there is one shamshad begum song from punjabi film--teri meri ik jindari 1975

.yes ratoon ka raja is surely post 1968.

i recall that there was some usha khanna song from post 1968. i will search and reply

regards

ashish

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