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Faraaj73
I'm uploading 2-3 famous songs which most music-lovers are familiar with and the original (and lesser known) song that inspired them. The audio of the extremely rare originals is quite good even if the bit rate is low.

Please note, there is no knowing how old some original tunes are. The original song that I attach may very well be inspired by an original dating back to the 19th century. Credit is certainly due to the later composer for the re-packaging and presentation of the song.

For nearly everyone Mohe Panghat Pe Nandlal equals Mughal e Azam as rendered by Lata. I attach below at 192 kbps mp3 the Mughal e Azam song as well as the original Indubala version of the 1920s. Indubala, now forgotten was a great name of the 1920s and was trained by Gauhar Jaan.

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Enjoy! And members having similar examples are welcome to share them here.

Kind Regards
Faraaj
parag_sankla
Faraaj ji

As per the HF rules, any file with bitrate less than 96 KBPS can not be posted on HF. One can upload it on the external file sharing server and give a link here.

Just FYI. I do not want an avid music lover like you to get into trouble with the rules and regulations.

Regards
Parag
simplefable
Thankyou Faraaj... smile.gif Am sure there are much more to come in this wonderful thread.
behenji.turned.mod
let him post na.....far better than falsely hiking bitrate
Faraaj73
One of my favourite Asha and SD Burman songs is Ab Ke Baras Bhejo Bhaiyo Ko Babul from Bandini (1963) which is uploaded at 155 kbps mp3. I'm also uploading the snippet I have of an earlier song Amuwa Tale Phir Se sung by Rajkumari and Prem Adeeb over twenty years earlier. Anyone having the full song or entire album of Chudiyan (1942) is requested to upload them on another post.

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Kind Regards
Faraaj
parag_sankla
QUOTE(behenji.turned.mod @ Nov 28 2008, 06:19 PM) *

let him post na.....far better than falsely hiking bitrate


Arey ..I thought this rule is not known to all..so was trying to help..

Never mind.

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Parag
Faraaj73
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ Nov 29 2008, 01:13 PM) *

Faraaj ji

As per the HF rules, any file with bitrate less than 96 KBPS can not be posted on HF. One can upload it on the external file sharing server and give a link here.

Just FYI. I do not want an avid music lover like you to get into trouble with the rules and regulations.

Regards
Parag

Parag Saab

I understand and respect the 96-192 kbps rule. It is a sensible rule for defining a reasonable quality range for available songs.

I will not upload any available song at a lesser or higher bit-rate. But if there is a song that is simply not available, I would like to add it in the topic itself for the ease of members instead of uploading it elsewhere.

I also don't want to defeat the spirit of the rule by re-encoding at a higher bit-rate and spoiling the audio quality. I sure the Admin are reasonable people and fellow music lovers who will understand but if they warn me, I'll certainly remove an offending song immediately.

So, if you're interested in the song please download it quickly just to be on the safe side! wink.gif

Kind Regards
Faraaj
simplefable
Faraaj...said it all . smile.gif
thanks again..
Faraaj73
QUOTE(behenji.turned.mod @ Nov 29 2008, 01:19 PM) *

let him post na.....far better than falsely hiking bitrate

Behenji

Thanks for the support. However, I know and respect Parag Saab and he knows he can speak freely with me as a senior member!

Kind Regards
Faraaj
behenji.turned.mod
heh heh faraaj...ive downloaded the songs already tongue1.gif just in case

i didnt mean any "disrespect" to parag tongue1.gif i was just pleading my case
parag_sankla
QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Nov 28 2008, 06:34 PM) *

QUOTE(behenji.turned.mod @ Nov 29 2008, 01:19 PM) *

let him post na.....far better than falsely hiking bitrate

Behenji

Thanks for the support. However, I know and respect Parag Saab and he knows he can speak freely with me as a senior member!

Kind Regards
Faraaj


Arey..kya senior ..omggg..I never thought about it this way... laugh.gif

I was just being a well-wisher..Some time back the admin was very strict on any post with less bit-rate songs..I know and understand what Faraaj ji is saying. When a song is NOT available..even 16 KBPS should be good enough..

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BTW, before joining HF, I did not even know what bit-rate means. LOL, so no worries

Faraaj ji, you are doing a great effort on many of the so far less-travelled paths.

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Cheers
Parag
Faraaj73
QUOTE(behenji.turned.mod @ Nov 29 2008, 01:37 PM) *

heh heh faraaj...ive downloaded the songs already tongue1.gif just in case

i didnt mean any "disrespect" to parag tongue1.gif i was just pleading my case

Behenji

Thats the most important thing - downloading and enjoying the songs.....the rest is just fun and games between friends. I hope you didn't miss the Ab Ke Baras and Amuwa Tale upload which I added in between.

Kind Regards
Faraaj
simplefable
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ Nov 29 2008, 08:11 AM) *

BTW, before joining HF, I did not even know what bit-rate means. LOL, so no worries


Ditto.. smile.gif

QUOTE

Faraaj ji, you are doing a great effort on many of the so far less-travelled paths.

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Cheers
Parag


I totally second. bow.gif
behenji.turned.mod
yup faraaj...got the rajkumari song

cant wait for more !
Faraaj73
Vishnupant Pagnis (1892-1943) was another pre-sound legend and stage actor who gave some very famous performances playing a female. Here are his 1920s 160 kbps Bande Mataram and the rousing Hemant Kumar version from Anand Math (1952) at 192 kbps. (No controversies on this posting laugh.gif )

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Faraaj
Faraaj73
Aashiyan Jal Gaya, Gulsitan Lut Gaya by Habib Wali Mohammad was one of the biggest hits of its time and played on TV for years afterwards. It was sung in a film (whose name I forget) starring Nadeem and is still an immediately recognisable song - in Pakistan at least. Its certainly well sung and its difficult to imagine it being inspired by an Anil Biswas composed duet more than two decades earlier. Both songs are 128 kbps/mp3 and details are in the file name.

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Faraaj
Faraaj73
I have a sinking feeling Pag Ghungroo Bandh Meera Nachi will always be associated with the angry young man Amitabh's comic turn in Namak Halal playbacked by Kishore. I'm uploading the original Juthika Roy song - probably mid 40s. It is said that Jawaharlal Nehru was a great fan of Juthika Roy and after his inauguration when he was driving back to the PM house, he had a special request sent to her to continue singing on the radio till he reaches the PM house.

Again only low bit-rate was available. I'm not uploading the Kishore version - you can probably hear it blaring at the local pan-shop!

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Kind Regards
Faraaj
RajanCS
Faraajbhai,

This is an excellent thread started by you. Look forward to knowing more such combinations.

Regards,

Rajan
frangipani
This has been a very enriching experience, looking forward to more. smile.gif
Amalesh
Simply Awesome.....Faraaj ji..!!!

abhayp
QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Nov 29 2008, 10:23 AM) *

Aashiyan Jal Gaya, Gulsitan Lut Gaya by Habib Wali Mohammad was one of the biggest hits of its time and played on TV for years afterwards. It was sung in a film (whose name I forget) starring Nadeem and is still an immediately recognisable song - in Pakistan at least. Its certainly well sung and its difficult to imagine it being inspired by an Anil Biswas composed duet more than two decades earlier. Both songs are 128 kbps/mp3 and details are in the file name.
Kind Regards
Faraaj


The credits for the Habib Wali Mohammed song:

Film: Baazi (1970)
MD: Sohail Rana
Ly: Raaz Illahabadi

Sources: http://www.pakistanimusic.com/articles/soh...ngsonmusic.html and the Wikipedia page on Habib Wali Mohammed.

Thanks a ton for the song - it *is* a lovely song indeed. A rare case of an inspired song sounding as good as the original!

Warm regards,
Abhay
abhayp
A few months ago, I had put together a list of around 20 Hindi film songs that were inspired by traditional and/or well-known compositions from the classical/semi-classical fold. (One of them was the pair I uploaded earlier on another thread - Lata singing "sakal ban gagan" as part of the 'Mamta' ragamala and Jasraj singing the same composition as a classical bandish). I have long had in mind a thread to put together these songs, but paucity of time (not to mention laziness!) got in the way of this thread as well as a long-in-the-planning thread on Rajkumari.

Seeing this thread by Faraaj inspired to start doing something about actually putting up the songs. I can't promise to upload all 20 in a specific time span but I will keep putting them up over the next 15-20 days.

I am not starting a separate thread for these songs but must put in a caveat: Faraaj's tagline "Original song & later better-known version" may not really fit all the song pairs (and some trios) that I am putting up; in some cases, the original may still be better known.

Starting the uploads from the my next post below.

Warm regards,
Abhay
abhayp
Naushad was always proud of the Hindustani classical base (and, often, folk music base) of a lot of his music. Some of these songs are not just raaga-based but are adaptations of traditional classical/semi-classical compositions. Earlier in this thread, Faraaj has brought up the song "mohe panaghaT pe nandalaal chhe.D gayo re" as one example. We find another example in the 1955 film "Udan Khatola", where Naushad and Shakeel take up a traditional "Kajri" (a semi-classical form) and come up with the Lata beauty, "more sai.nyaa.Njii utare.nge paar ho nadiyaa dhiire baho".

The original kajri has been sung by many people, although recorded versions are few. I have chosen my favourite rendition of the kajri by the noted Hindustani classical singer, Padmavati Shaligram (aka Padmavati Gokhale). It is taken from a recording of a live concert. In this thread, I am only uploading a small extract (2:34 minutes, encoded in mp3 at 128 kbps) of the original recording (18:16 minutes). [For those who would like to have the entire piece, I am uploading it separately on the Raag Rang forum. There is also an Iqbal Bano rendition of the kajri available on youtube - the audio quality is not great, but it is an interesting addition to the renditions of this song.]

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Although the base of the "Udan Khatola" song is clearly the kajri, Naushad gives the song a completely different ambience through the use of a backing chorus, used very skillfully as a part of the orchestration. Add Lata Mangeshkar at the peak of her powers, and the magic is complete. I have chosen to upload here the longer version of this song from the film as the shorter record version is quite easily available. This version is 5:07 minutes long and is encoded in mp3 at 128 kbps.

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The full kajri can be found at

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66378#

Warm regards,
Abhay
Faraaj73
QUOTE(abhayp @ Nov 30 2008, 06:37 PM) *

Seeing this thread by Faraaj inspired to start doing something about actually putting up the songs. I can't promise to upload all 20 in a specific time span but I will keep putting them up over the next 15-20 days.

I am not starting a separate thread for these songs but must put in a caveat: Faraaj's tagline "Original song & later better-known version" may not really fit all the song pairs (and some trios) that I am putting up; in some cases, the original may still be better known.

Warm regards,
Abhay

Abhay Saab

Its great to see you contributing!

I'm hearing More Saiyan by Padmavati Shaligram right now. Very nice... I think I'll go for the full version on Raag Rang. Do you know the approximate era of this rendition?

Kind Regards
Faraaj
abhayp
QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Nov 30 2008, 01:58 PM) *

I'm hearing More Saiyan by Padmavati Shaligram right now. Very nice... I think I'll go for the full version on Raag Rang. Do you know the approximate era of this rendition?


The full kajri is now uploaded on Raag Rang. Have amended my post above to give the relevant link.

Re. the era of the recording, I remember that this concert was sometime in the 1960s. I also had a much older rendition of this by either Rasoolan Bai or Badi Moti Bai - don't remember right now; will need to track it down.

Warm regards,
Abhay
venkat
QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Nov 29 2008, 10:23 AM) *

Aashiyan Jal Gaya, Gulsitan Lut Gaya by Habib Wali Mohammad was one of the biggest hits of its time and played on TV for years afterwards. It was sung in a film (whose name I forget) starring Nadeem and is still an immediately recognisable song - in Pakistan at least. Its certainly well sung and its difficult to imagine it being inspired by an Anil Biswas composed duet more than two decades earlier. Both songs are 128 kbps/mp3 and details are in the file name.

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Kind Regards
Faraaj


Excellent finding, Sir. smile.gif

The Pakistani song was clearly inspired by the Fareb-1953 song. Of course, while the Mukhdas are almost identical in tune, the Antaras are very slightly varied.

Venkat
venkat
I have run a thread earlier dedicated to pairs of Rafi songs that are identical in tune both on Mukhda and the Antara. That is, pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune in the complete songs, not just similar in parts!

Here is the link.

https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?show...9011&st=105

Venkat
Faraaj73
Here are two more songs sung by Pankaj Mullick and Mukesh. The more famous one from Kapal Kundla (1939) was sung by Pankaj Mullick - Piya Milan Ko Jana in mp3/205 kbps.

It inspired Mukesh's non-filmi Gokul Nagri Jana (hear how he pronounces Jana!) which is mp3/192 kbps. I read that Gokul Nagri Jana is Mukesh's oldest available recording (circa 1940) but haven't been able to reconfirm that.

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Faraaj
Yadavagiri5
This is a wonderful thread. But, I am not quite sure what Faraaj73 meant by "Inspiration". Does it have to be from a different source? In the following example, the Kishore song follows the Burman song very closely. But both were composed by S.D.Burman. Does the second song qualify as the inspiration for the first? If it does, fine, otherwise, let me know. I will withdraw them.

Song: Dheere Se Jaanaa Katiyan

Movie: Chhupaa Rustham

Singer: Kishore

Music: S.D.Burman

Year: 1973

Format: mp3

Bit Rate: 128

Duration: 3:54

My rating of Music: 8/10





Song: Dheere Se Jaanaa

Movie: None

Singer: S.D.Burman

Music: S.D.Burman

Year:

Format: mp3

Bit Rate: 128

Duration: 3:07

My rating of Music: 8/10
Devje
Here are another couple of songs :

ham bhool gaye har baat - Naseem Begum- A. Hameed -Fyaz Hashmi -Saheli - 1960
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ham bhool gaye re har baat - Lata Mangeshkar - Vedpal Verma -Saawan Kumar -Souten Ki Beti 1989
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RajanCS
Recently, EXON had uploaded a Asha-Shammi Kapoor song from the film Jeevan Jyoti - Chaandni Ki Paalkhi Mein Baith Kar - under Shammi Kapoor songs in Sangeet Ke Sitare. The song starts with a humming by Asha followed by a slow line "Chaandni Ki Paalkhi Mein Baith Kar....". This is then followed by the main mukhda line "Tasveeren Banti Hain ....Mere Khayalon Mein Aa, Mamta Ki Baahon Mein, Jeevan Ki raahon mein...".

This song appears to have been the inspiration for Dil Pukare Aare Aare of Jewel Thief. You will notice that the line Mamta Ki Baahon Mein, Jeevan Ki raahon mein.." of this song and the line "Jo bhi hai Apna Layi hun Sab kuchh saath Hamare" of Jewel Thief song have same tune. However, The similarity ends here. Burman Dada has provided music for both the movies.

There is one more Bangla song set to music by Hemantda from the film Monihar - Nijhum Sondhay whose mukhda also appears to be influenced by the main mukhda of Jeevan Jyoti song mentioned above. They have very similar tunes. Here also the similarity is limited to mukhda only.

Uploading the songs from Jeevan Jyoti and Monihar for ready reference. Jewel Thief song is easily available and therefore not uploading here.

Duration: 00:04:14
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Duration 00:03:16
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Rajan
Amalesh
Interesting thread.....

Faraaj ji, I do not know what you had in mind when you started the thread, instances when the Music Director has reused his tunes/composition skillfully or when we have had lifters brazenly copying someone else's tunes or taken a tune and added beats or increased or decreased the tempo etc but mostly not even doing that much....

For the second category we have a wonderful site on rampant plagiarism in Indian films http://www.itwofs.com/

Those of you who have not been there...it is a must visit. The site is very shabbily organized, but the content is great. Just scroll down a little and then on the right hand side you will see a list of Indian Music Directors. Click on any of the name and they will take you to the page where all of that particualr Director's lifted songs are listed along with the originals. For a majority of them a short audio clip is also attached.....you can just listen to both one after another and get an idea of what the copycats have done...and you would see Anu Malik lifting from Simon and Garfunkel (Taare Hain Baarati - El Condor Pasa) to Beethoven (Jaane Mujhe Kya Hua - Fur Elise), Boney M (Jawani Diwani - Bahama Mama) to Nina Rota (Raja ko Rani Se - Godfather tune) Mehdi Hasan (Dheere Dheere - Rafta Rafta) To Najam Sheraz (Bheegey Hont - Mainu Tere Naal)...... That guy is probably the most shameless lifter but he has had no monopoly on getting "inspired"......O P Nayyar to Viju Shah, Snehal Bhatkar to Chitalkar, SD Burman to AR Rahman have all succumbed to this temptation occasionally.....

On the previous more healthy category of Music Directors using their own tunes......this is a nice one...
Roshan in Soorat Aur Seerat....in this Mukesh number
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Bahut Diya Denewale Ne Tujhko.....the prelude and interlude music was later used in Karan Arjun by his son Rajesh Roshan......Yeh Bandhan To Pyaar Ka Bandhan Hai....

Copying/reusing your father's tune is not plagiarism right....
It is your legal inheritance smile1.gif
Faraaj73
QUOTE(Yadavagiri5 @ Dec 3 2008, 12:44 AM) *

This is a wonderful thread. But, I am not quite sure what Faraaj73 meant by "Inspiration". Does it have to be from a different source? In the following example, the Kishore song follows the Burman song very closely. But both were composed by S.D.Burman. Does the second song qualify as the inspiration for the first? If it does, fine, otherwise, let me know. I will withdraw them.


Yadavagiri Ji

No need to withdraw. I was planning this upload myself. SD Burman composed a beautiful tune and Kishore Kumar turned into a parody. The parody is better known...

Kind Regards
Faraaj
Faraaj73
QUOTE(Amalesh @ Dec 3 2008, 07:42 PM) *

Interesting thread.....

For the second category we have wonderful site on rampant plagiarism in Indian films http://www.itwofs.com/

...and you would see Anu Malik lifting from Simon and Garfunkel (Taare Hain Baarati - El Condor Pasa) to Beethoven (Jaane Mujhe Kya Hua - Fur Elise), Boney M (Jawani Diwani - Bahama Mama) to Nina Rota (Raja ko Rani Se - Godfather tune) Mehdi Hasan (Dheere Dheere - Rafta Rafta) To Najam Sheraz (Bheegey Hont - Mainu Tere Naal)...... That guy is probably the most shameless lifter but he has had no monopoly on getting "inspired"......O P Nayyar to Viju Shah, Snehal Bhatkar to Chitalkar, SD Burman to AR Rahman have all succumbed to this temptation occasionally.....

Copying/reusing your father's tune is not plagiarism right....
It is your legal inheritance smile1.gif

Amalesh Saab

Interesting reply and site you directed me to!

Yes, Anu Malik has built quite a reputation - I think I read an article on his plagiarism in Time Magazine some time back!

I don't know if Copyright laws will support a claim on legal inheritance....but I can tell you my esteem for Roshan grows with each song I listen to...and you have to admit its difficult to grow under the shadow of and equal the achievements of such a man!

Thanks for your comments and contributions....please continue to contribute....

Kind Regards
Faraaj
Exon
Faraaj,

Very good topic.
Here is a song by Ashok Kumar which was made famous later by Kishore Kumar and Manna Dey in Padosan. The song audio originated from HF member.

Film: Jhoola (1941)
Music: Saraswati Devi
Singer: Ashok Kumar
Title: ek chatura naar (1:47 \ 160)
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Exon
abhayp
Long ago, I had put up a mini-quiz on RMIM. I am reproducing the quiz as an introduction to this round of songs inspired by other songs. In this instance, though, the non-film original remains more famous that the inspired film song!

This was the quiz (it is not a quiz here, alas - the answer is right below the question):

A ghazal recorded as a non-film rendition in the first half of the 20th century 'inspired' a music director in the second half of that century to recycle it, with essentially the same tune, as a film song by a different singer. In the film version, the lyricist (not the original poet) made marginal changes to the second line of the 'matlaa' (first couplet) and wrote completely different verses thereafter (barring one tweaked line). Both the singers concerned were big names in their own fields.
Identify the first line of the ghazal, the two singers, and the music director of the film version.

Additional clues:
- Singer # 1 had a hugely successful 40-year career that started in the first half of the last century and ended well into the second half.
- Singer # 2 entered the music world in the waning years of the first half of the last century and is still going strong in this century!
- The MD of the film song has been heavily influenced by singer # 1.

isake aage ham aur kyaa kahe.n, jaanam samajhaa karo! smile1.gif


The answer to the quiz (again reproduced - with slight changes - from my own post on RMIM, with the songs themselves added in!):

wafaa_o.n ke badale jafaa kar rahe hai.n
mai.n kyaa kar rahaa huu.N vo kyaa kar rahe hai.n

Written by Behzad Lucknawi, this ghazal was recorded by Begum Akhtar in the late 1930s. It became one of her biggest hits and is one of the best examples of her singing of that period. Here is the ghazal (3:16 minutes, mp3 @ 128 kbps):

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Fast forward to 1959. Madan Mohan - a great friend of Begum Akhtar - was composing the music for a film called "Jagir". He got Raja Mehdi Ali Khan to take the first line of this ghazal and compose a new ghazal for the film. He retained the basic tune - albeit at a slightly faster tempo (it seems to be a 'mujra' song) - and got Asha Bhosle to sing:

wafaa_o.n ke badale jafaa kar rahe hai.n
ko_ii unase puuchhe ye kyaa kar rahe hai.n

Here is the Asha song (4:02 minutes, mp3 @ 96 kbps)

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MM has got Asha to sing the song in a near-perfect imitation of Akhtaribai's 1930s style, and she does a good job. Nevertheless, [IMO, of course] the film song is a pale imitation of the original ghazal: Akhtaribai's rendition has a spontaneity, rawness, and power that Asha just cannot reproduce.

In terms of the lyrics: the verses that followed were completely different from Behzad's original ghazal except for one line with a slight twist. Behzad wrote:

sitam Dhaane waalo salaamat raho tum
du_aa karanewaale du_aa kar rahe hai.n

RMAK adapted the last line as:

mariiz-e-muhabbat kaa ab haal ye hai
dawaa karanewaale du_aa kar rahe hai.n

Enjoy the songs!

Warm regards,
Abhay

Faraaj73
QUOTE(abhayp @ Dec 4 2008, 04:42 AM) *


wafaa_o.n ke badale jafaa kar rahe hai.n
mai.n kyaa kar rahaa huu.N vo kyaa kar rahe hai.n

MM has got Asha to sing the song in a near-perfect imitation of Akhtaribai's 1930s style, and she does a good job. Nevertheless, [IMO, of course] the film song is a pale imitation of the original ghazal: Akhtaribai's rendition has a spontaneity, rawness, and power that Asha just cannot reproduce.


Thanks Abhayp

Excellent example and I'm inclined to agree (strongly!!!) with your view on Akhtaribai being a better rendition.

Kind Regards
Faraaj
Faraaj73
QUOTE(Exon @ Dec 3 2008, 10:43 PM) *

Faraaj,

Very good topic.
Here is a song by Ashok Kumar which was made famous later by Kishore Kumar and Manna Dey in Padosan. The song audio originated from HF member.

Exon

Exon Ji

Glad to see you participating and thanks for this beautiful song....

Kind Regards
Faraaj
Faraaj73
It is said that Sajjad Hussein accosted Madan Mohan in a public place and accused him of stealing from one of his original songs to create his latest hit. Hear both songs and judge for yourself...

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Of course, Sajjad Hussein must have soured towards Madan Mohan after hearing the lovely Preetam Meri Duniya Mein from Ada (1952).

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I would call this intelligent 'inspiration' in both instances.

Enjoy!

Kind Regards
Faraaj
Faraaj73
Here is a song from Ratan that Naushad Ali composed at the age of 25. I heard a Bulo C Rani composition recently (after joining HF) that was inspired by it. Surprising really, because in the same period that BCR was getting inspired by Naushad, he was also composing truly original tunes in films like Moorti and Rajputani....

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Kind Regards
Faraaj
usrafian
QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Dec 4 2008, 04:33 PM) *

It is said that Sajjad Hussein accosted Madan Mohan in a public place and accused him of stealing from one of his original songs to create his latest hit. Hear both songs and judge for yourself...

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Of course, Sajjad Hussein must have soured towards Madan Mohan after hearing the lovely Preetam Meri Duniya Mein from Ada (1952).

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I would call this intelligent 'inspiration' in both instances.

Enjoy!

Kind Regards
Faraaj


Very true statement Faraaj Ji !
If the level of copied version is above original version then it is definately an 'intelligent' inspiration .

As per the link, shown by Amalesh, it is true that Burman Dada, OPN etc have copied few tunes from somewhere but the outcome was of much higher intensity, I could recall one song in such situation ..
'Mera Naam Karega Roshan, Jag Mein Mera Rajdulaara' laugh.gif

In Venkat's thread, HFM Balajigade Ji had uploaded two songs as per the main thought of this thread, would love to upload (one) here also..


Kaahe Nainon Mein Kajra Bharo

Mukesh & Lata
Film - Badi Bahu
Lyrics - Prem Dhawan
MD - Anil Bishwas
Year - 1951
128 kbps 03:09 min
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Tum Ruth Ke Mat Janaaa
Rafi & Asha
Film - Phagun
MD-OPN
128 kbps 03:11 min
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USR
ayyagari
I do not know whether these two songs qualify in this thread as the earlier song is definitely a bigger hit than the later. Also, the songs sound very similar only in part

1) Mujhe duniyawalon, Sharabi na sumjho from 'Leader', 1964, Rafi, Naushad,4.22 min
listen to this part:
kisi ko nasha hai, yahan mein khushi ka,
kisi ko nasha hai, gamen zindgi ka

2) Yeh manaa meri jaan from 'Hanste Zakhm', 1973,Rafi & Balbir, Madan Mohan, 7.52 min
listen to this part:
pehalna na jane, badalna na jane,
tamanna machalke, sambhalna na jane

uploading both songs, 128 kbps

Madhu


Faraaj73
Thanks for the uploads and comments Usrafian Saab and Madhu Ji!

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Faraaj
Faraaj73
Since other contributors have touched on the topic of legal inheritance and intelligent inspiration, its necessary to find some example from the most famous of father-son MD's - the Burmans.

I'm uploading two songs in mp3 at 160 and 128 kbps respectively which are 16 years apart, both well-known and sung by Geeta Dutt in the first instance and Kishore in the second.

Enjoy!

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Faraaj
abhayp
Let's return to another instance of a song inspired by a traditional 'bandish'. There is an old 'drut' bandish in the raaga Miyan Ki Malhar, sung by several Hindustani classical singers, that was adapted by Gulzar and Vasant Desai into a great song for the 1971 film, "Guddi". The song, of course, is "bole re papiiharaa", and the 'chhoTaa Khayaal" that inspired it has the same starting words.

From the many renditions of the bandish, I have picked one by one of the lesser-heard singers in recent times - Gangubai Hangal, accompanied by her daughter Krishna Hangal. I am uploading a short extract of the bandish (the concluding portion) to give members an idea of the original bandish. Those who want to hear the full bandish (just over 6 minutes) can access it at

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?show...id=554673&# (post # 3)

The extract of the original bandish uploaded here is 1:23 minutes long and encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps.

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The film song, sung by Vani Jairam (her first Hindi film song, IIRC), is 3:32 minutes long and is also encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps.

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Warm regards,
Abhay
abhayp
Yet another famous thumri that produced not one but two film songs: an adaptation into a film song, and - in a later film - a much shortened version of the thumri by a classical singer.

"kaun galii gayo shyaam" is a famous and well-loved thumri in Mishra Khamaj, sung by ever so many great singers. This thumri was first adapted as a film song in the 1959 film 'Madhu', where Roshan tuned it for Lata. In 1972, Naushad incorporated a short version of the thumri itself in Parveen Sultana's voice as part of the background score for the film 'Pakeezah'. (The background songs in this film - Naushad's contribution to the Ghulam Mohammed-tuned soundtrack - merit a special thread to themselves: the Parveen Sultana thumri, Rajkumari's "najariyaa kii maarii", Shobha Gurtu's "bandhan baa.Ndho", Lata Mangeshkar's 'tarana', Vani Jairam's "moraa saajan sautan ghar jaaye", and - sadly unavailable anywhere - Naseem Bano Chopra's "dekh to dil ki jaa.N se uThataa hai". What a collection!)

To return to our theme: the thumri has been recorded many times over. Alongside the two film versions, I have chosen to upload here a small extract of a rare live recording of the great thumri singer Rasoolan Bai. Even though it is evident that this a late recording, the magic of Rasoolan Bai's rendition is still very potent. The full thumri in her voice (9:42 minutes) can be found on the Raag Rang forum at post # 4 on this link:

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?show...id=554685&#


To start with, then, an extract from Rasoolan Bai's live recording (1:24 minutes, mp3 encoding @ 160 kbps). While this is traditionally sung as a Khamaj thumri, Rasoolan Bai's rendition - to my untutored ears - sounds closer to Jogiya. Experts may please weigh in!

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Next is the Lata version from 'Madhu' (3:13 minutes, mp3 encoded @ 96 kbps). I had downloaded this song from HF itself long ago; the sound quality is not quite CDQ. If anyone has a better recording (not just a higher bit-rate), please do upload it.

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And, finally, the Parveen Sultana version from 'Pakeezah' (2:41 minutes; mp3 encoded @ 128 kbps):

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Warm regards,
Abhay
frangipani
Thanks Abhay, this has been a great exploration. smile.gif
Faraaj73
Really good stuff Abhayp!!! smile.gif
abhayp
A perfect example of a classical composition being adapted for 'light' music is Sachin Dev Burman's skillful re-working of the canonical bandish in raaga Nat Bihag, "jhan jhan jhan jhan paayal [morii] baaje" - not once but twice over!

The original bandish, sung most commonly in drut laya and sometimes in madhya-laya, has been recorded by many classical singers. For the purpose of our theme, I have chosen two of my favourite renditions: a short recording by 'aaftaab-e-mausiiqii' Faiyaz Khan of the Agra gharana and a longer one by the redoubtable Mallikarjun Mansur of the Jaipur-Atrauli gharana. (Given that Mansur started out with the Gwalior gharana, one can say that we are seeing three gharana-s represented here!) Both renditions are being uploaded in their entirety on the Raag Rang forum (link given at the end of this post); in this post, I am uploading a short extract (1:34 minutes, mp3 encoding @ 128 kbps) from Mansur's virtuoso rendition taken from the published recording of a live concert.

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The senior Burman took the same bandish and converted it into two delightful songs: one in Bengali that he sang himself (jhan jhan jhan jhan manjiraa baaje), the other (and better-known) one sung by Lata for the 1951 film 'Buzdil'. Shailendra wrote the lyrics for the Hindi version. I don't know who the wrote the Bengali adaptation; any information about this is welcome.

It is not easy to turn a classical bandish into a light song. One cannot just cut out the improvisation and keep the kernel, nor can one try to retain the classical-length improvisation. The composer has to know exactly how much of the elaboration of the original bandish to include in the song. Burman has done this brilliantly. His own rendition in Bengali closely follows the traditional interpretation. The recording is 3:08 minutes long and is encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps.

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The 'Buzdil' song follows the traditional bandish in the tuning of the mukhaDaa, but the antaraa-s are Burman's own creation: the changes in tempo and the differing patterns of percussion add to the beauty of the song, taking it beyond just a down-sized reproduction of the original bandish and making it a great song in its own right. Lata's rendition makes the song truly memorable. The duration of this song is 3:18 minutes and the version uploaded here is encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps.

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The two classical renditions referred to above can be accessed in post #7 at this link:

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?show...&st=0&#

Warm regards,
Abhay
Faraaj73
QUOTE(abhayp @ Dec 8 2008, 08:30 PM) *

A perfect example of a classical composition being adapted for 'light' music is Sachin Dev Burman's skillful re-working of the canonical bandish in raaga Nat Bihag, "jhan jhan jhan jhan paayal [morii] baaje" - not once but twice over!

The two classical renditions referred to above can be accessed in post # at this link:

Warm regards,
Abhay

I didn't realise when starting this thread just how fascinating it would become!!!
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