QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 16 2008, 09:24 PM)
QUOTE(balajigade @ Jul 16 2008, 09:13 PM)
I may disagree with some of the nos. included in the list
Simple jazz beats, Punjabi folk-backdrops or horse-tap beats donot necessarily point to OPN. For example koi pyar ki dekhe... (Kohinoor), jhooth boliyan...(Jagte Raho...) or Bheega bheega... (Sawan) cannot be called of a OP flavour (despite the suggestive combination of Rafi & Shamshad in the last one.
Typical qualities of OPN are:
--combination of jazz and desi instruments like sitar, sarangi
--fill-ins with clarionet so unique, examples : jawaniyan yeh.. (Tumsa Nahin Dekha), main bangali chhokra...(Ragini) and so on.
--fast and typical tabla+dholak beats like piya piya.. (Phagun), raaton ko chori chori... (Mohabbat Zindagi Hai). The rythm & flavour of these beats is different from others.
--jazz beats in the mukhda followed by the characteristic tabla beats in the antaraas
--voice modulations of Asha...stressing at a given point and throwing with a taan at some other...typical Asha gimmicks, difficult to explain in the text.
--Balaji
I agree with you, in general, Balaji, that not all the songs (including some of my own) being mentioned rightly belong to this thread.
But, I may have to disagree with you on two, namely Bheega Bheega Pyar Ka Sama, which would instantly remind you of a Mangke Saath Tumahra (Naya Daur), in the feel and flavor, though not fully in the tune.
Similarly, one cannot be blamed for bracketing "Jhoot Boliyan" as OPNish, because OPN has fathered this song's cousin in Film:Naya Daur, "Yeh Desh Hai Veer Jawanon Ki". Forget which came first and which came later, but the similarity is there to hear!
Venkat
PS. OPNishness itself is a grey parameter, which is very difficult to define in so many words. So, only instincts should work!!
When I thought hard what might be OPNishness, I concluded that it is 70% Punjabi folk type and 30% middle eastern /arabian type. When you hear a "Ek Pardesi Tera Dil Legaya" or a "Yeh Desh Hai Veer Jawanonki", etc., you get that Punjabi folk falvor. And when you hear songs such as "Yeh Hai Reshmi Zulfonka Andhera" or a "Neele Aasamaan" song or a "Fifty Kuch Tere Dil Mein Fifty" song, you get that Arabic/mid-eastern feel. Well, typical use of certain musical instruments such as Sarangi, Guitars and for that matter, a very typical Flute usage, Asha's voice variations are all part of OPNism.
Actually, Punjabi Folk in Hindi Films has come to be viewed as the monopoly of OPN, though there are others too who have utilised it. The reason may be that OPN has utilised it for a very high percentage of his songs, where as others did so occasionally.
I can give one analogy from the corporate world. In olden days, it was Godrej & Boyce that pioneered and popularised the concept of steel almirah. Subsequently, when other manufaturers, small and medium, too started making Steel almirahs of Godrej type, the Aam Aadmi used to call them also Godrej. In fact, any Steel Almirah has come to be known as Godrej only.
In a somewhat similar way, any Punjabi Folk in Hindi Films has come to be associated with OPN!!!
In this thread, we are trying to recall songs by other MDs which sound like OPN songs, however difficult or subjective the exercise may be.
The above is just to put things in their perspective.
Venkat
PS. One acid test for determining an OPN type song could be this. You have heard OPN songs in large numbers and extensively and thus know his music. Now, when you suddenly heard an unknown song, have you wondered whether the MD was OPN and then have later come to know it is not? If yes, that song qualifies here.
In my own experience, I have some songs which have passed through this process.
1.When I first heard Dil Deke Dekho songs, I thought the MD was OPN!
2.When I first heard Bheega Bheega Pyar Ka Sama, I thought the MD was OPN!
3. When I first heard "Yeh Rangeen Mehfil Gulabi Gulabi" song from Film:Shikari, I thought the MD was OPN!
There are lots others and hence this thread.
Venkat
to this thread & to all the participants. 
