Mukeshfan
Dec 9 2004, 03:54 AM
My dear Shaan thanx for your fast reply buddy,
My ID in this forum is MUKESHFAN, couse I am a big BiG Mukesh ji fan
But my name is NaveeN and I am from Europe also active in collecting of rare music materials and improving tachnics to improve sounding of music.
So you did very well MAN and I know that all is gonne be good with you.
You can also e-mail me if you want and If you wanna have quick reply then you can add me to your Yahoo messenger.
My ID is ==>> naveen_europe@yahoo.com
And tell me some more about you guys and where you are from and how come you are singing Rafi songs.
OK Take Care and see you arround.
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 1 2005, 12:09 PM
me back again ..
and iam preently u/l one of my fav rafi sahab Real Sad song .
hope you all like it , a little disturbance in back ground .
gham-e-hastee se begaana hota .. khudaaya kaaaash main deewaana hota ..
. /shaanawaaz\
unni
Mar 4 2005, 12:13 AM
Tried to download, but the forum interface is giving me an error message. Did others have the same problem?
If so, perhaps the reason is that you've uploaded tracks in WAV format which need to be converted to mp3 and zipped.
Sharmila
Mar 4 2005, 12:16 AM
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 3 2005, 01:43 PM)
Tried to downlod, but the forum interface is giving me an error message. Did others have the same problem?
If so, perhaps the reason is that you've uploaded tracks in WAV format which need to be converted to mp3 and zipped.
I realised the mistake of u/l wave files and deleted that post and replaced it with post containing the .rar files........
thanks for the observation
Sharmila
Sharmila
Mar 4 2005, 12:22 AM
Hi,
Another attempt to sing Rafi songs........
Azgar-ji (u might remember) rated him 9.5 /10 for suhani raat dhal chuki in SKS.............Well here r few more.............inviting comments from diehard rafi fans....................I apologise for the audio quality though (I am a novice in music "technology" - didnt know a better way to convert a tape into CD) ..........
Here r the songs............
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentClick to view attachment Please download WMP license if there is a prompt. Sorry for the inconvenience........but thanks for taking time to listen..............
Sharmila
brokenHeart
Mar 4 2005, 12:40 AM
QUOTE(hits @ Oct 16 2004, 09:58 AM)
Thanks Pradeep. You are being very nice!
Hits jee and Pradeep Jee..... kuch tips deejiye na ki how do u record..
mere normal microphone se toe kaafee noise aatee hai..
unni
Mar 4 2005, 12:59 AM
Sharmila-ji:
I managed to download the first one "Aap Ke Pehlu Mein Aakar Ro Diye" (the other two are still generating error messages).
Anyway.
I listened to it.
Boy, am I impressed!
Especially the transition to the higher notes. Very, very impressive.
I guess the music is a karaoke track.
Now, let me trying playing humble critic, but only by way of "constructive criticism":
When Rafi-sahab sang, he articulated
each word --- kya kehtey hain --- "deliberately".
Each word of a song was given emphasis and was articulated clearly. Whereas when any of us trying to sing his songs, get pre-occupied trying to reproduce the lines/tune/notes. Leaves us with no scope for giving attention to each word. Example: Compare the enunciation of the word "aansoo" in the line "Shaam jab ansoo bahaakar".
I don't know know who this singer is, but with his ability, if he gives this aspect some attention, the casual listener might not notice the difference in the voice!
If this singer can sing most Rafi-sahab's songs as well as the one I heard, he can give Sonu Nigam a run for his money!
Thanks for sharing it with us. And sincerely, my congrats to the singer.
Now, please give us some more recordings which we can
actually download and listen to!
brokenHeart
Mar 4 2005, 01:16 AM
Oh Man.... amazing...
I just now heard "aapke pahlu mein... aakar..."
I agree with you Unni ji (just the appreciation part)...
I dont think I can pass on critisicm .. as I am no where near.. to your talent..
But Sharmila ji... do share how did you record it.
One fine day I will also sing.. and FORCE (yes force

) you all to listen to it..
rgrds
Someone...
unni
Mar 4 2005, 01:16 AM
S-ji:
Have now also downloaded the other two songs. Haven't checked them as yet. Shall get back to you about them.
Not only do we have to upload your requests, we also have to check out and comment about
your uploads!
brokenHeart
Mar 4 2005, 01:20 AM
Sharmila ji,
just now heard bharee duniyaan also...
really good... keep it up...
Unni ji or Sharmila ji,
now because I dont have these three songs... plz request u to u/l these.
thnks
Sharmila
Mar 4 2005, 01:49 AM
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 3 2005, 02:46 PM)
S-ji:
Have now also downloaded the other two songs. Haven't checked them as yet. Shall get back to you about them.
Not only do we have to upload your requests, we also have to check out and comment about
your uploads!

thanks for the comments everyone and esp. Unni ji for comments and ur patience.......just a newbie into the HF (a few months old...

........maybe a teenager.......) like T-ji put it.......cook for (u/l request) and clean after (check u/l)her teenager.......HF takes her away frm all that and brings u closer ..........
Any suggestions how I can show my gratitude

?????????
thanks as ever
Sharmila
Sharmila
Mar 4 2005, 01:59 AM
QUOTE
But Sharmila ji... do share how did you record it.
brokenheart-ji, my friend sent me the recorded cassette and all I did was to use the basic Sound recorder (guess most of the comps have it in Start Menu -All programs -Accessories-entertainement) to get the songs on to the computer.......
I 'm sure someone more knowledgable will reply to u soon.............
as for singing.........though all of us might not be Rafis, I believe that it is a way of expression...like any other art and each person adds a uniqueness to each piece (art or music) that he/she creates by virtue of their individuality (now does that make sense

??) so keep singing..............
cheers
Sharmila
unni
Mar 4 2005, 06:54 AM
Sharmila-ji:
Checked out the other two songs also.
After "Aaj Kal Mein Dhal Gaya" I found myself involuntariy exclaiming. "Wah"!
It's been some time since I listened to the original of "Bhai Duniya Mein", and listening to this recording brought back to mind the beauty of the song.
So, my opinion has not changed: they've all been rendered excellently!
Thanks, again.
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 4 2005, 10:43 AM
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 4 2005, 12:59 AM)
Sharmila-ji:
I managed to download the first one "Aap Ke Pehlu Mein Aakar Ro Diye" (the other two are still generating error messages).
Anyway.
I listened to it.
Boy, am I impressed!
Especially the transition to the higher notes. Very, very impressive.
I guess the music is a karaoke track.
Now, let me trying playing humble critic, but only by way of "constructive criticism":
When Rafi-sahab sang, he articulated
each word --- kya kehtey hain --- "deliberately".
Each word of a song was given emphasis and was articulated clearly. Whereas when any of us trying to sing his songs, get pre-occupied trying to reproduce the lines/tune/notes. Leaves us with no scope for giving attention to each word. Example: Compare the enunciation of the word "aansoo" in the line "Shaam jab ansoo bahaakar".
I don't know know who this singer is, but with his ability, if he gives this aspect some attention, the casual listener might not notice the difference in the voice!
If this singer can sing most Rafi-sahab's songs as well as the one I heard, he can give Sonu Nigam a run for his money!
Thanks for sharing it with us. And sincerely, my congrats to the singer.
Now, please give us some more recordings which we can
actually download and listen to!

Kuch hamien bhi critiSIZE kijiye , waise iam an amatuer one , and i sing - Rafi sahab with heart .. and ou know iam very much active in meri awaaz suno forums .
i have uploaded one song , gham e hanstee se bas begaana ,,
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?act=...e=post&id=19330Its without and background , and just tried t capture the masters mood .
bye .
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 4 2005, 12:53 PM
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 4 2005, 12:22 AM)
Hi,
Another attempt to sing Rafi songs........
Azgar-ji (u might remember) rated him 9.5 /10 for suhani raat dhal chuki in SKS.............Well here r few more.............inviting comments from diehard rafi fans....................I apologise for the audio quality though (I am a novice in music "technology" - didnt know a better way to convert a tape into CD) ..........
Here r the songs............
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentClick to view attachment Please download WMP license if there is a prompt. Sorry for the inconvenience........but thanks for taking time to listen..............
Sharmila
hello sharmila ,
i did downloaded al 3 files , and listened them ,. i am being frank in my comments .
first of all the files are in xtremely bad quality ( could you upload a cleaner version.)
out of the 3 songs u u/l I enjoyed listening to ' aaj kal mein dhal gaya ', since its a good composition and any rafi sahab follower should sing that song at least once in a life ..
the other two were not of the aaj kal mein dhal gaya , standard but were ok .
lastly even though the sound quality is not so good - i can make out that a lot of echo is used , and songs have been modified with software equalizer , so as to give added effect
bye ,
/shaanawaaz\
Sharmila
Mar 5 2005, 12:15 AM
QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Mar 4 2005, 02:23 AM)
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 4 2005, 12:22 AM)
Hi,
Another attempt to sing Rafi songs........
Azgar-ji (u might remember) rated him 9.5 /10 for suhani raat dhal chuki in SKS.............Well here r few more.............inviting comments from diehard rafi fans....................I apologise for the audio quality though (I am a novice in music "technology" - didnt know a better way to convert a tape into CD) ..........
Sharmila
i did downloaded al 3 files , and listened them ,. i am being frank in my comments .
first of all the files are in xtremely bad quality ( could you upload a cleaner version.)
out of the 3 songs u u/l I enjoyed listening to ' aaj kal mein dhal gaya ', since its a good composition and any rafi sahab follower should sing that song at least once in a life ..
the other two were not of the aaj kal mein dhal gaya , standard but were ok .
lastly even though the sound quality is not so good - i can make out that a lot of echo is used , and songs have been modified with software equalizer , so as to give added effect
bye ,
/shaanawaaz\
Thanks for your frank comments shaanawaaz ji, I apologise for the sound quality , but I do not know how to get a cleaner version and do not have the facility to do so if it requires softwares and hardwares

. I have 5 more songs by the same singer but I guess they will be of the same quality

. As for the recording I do not know how it was done and I have no way of guessing..........
I would however request you that if you are at Mumbai/India sometime, to listen to him singing on stage.

....Iam not insisting that you must like his rendering of Rafi songs........Just that I would like as many knowledgable persons to criticise his style...so that he can improve with time............
Since you sing the songs yourself, I would appreciate if there are any specific "barikhiyaan"

in the songs (as Unniji had mentioned about the word aansoo in a previous reply) that you would like to emphasise............
Sharmila
Sharmila
Mar 5 2005, 12:27 AM
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 3 2005, 08:24 PM)
Sharmila-ji:
Checked out the other two songs also.
After "Aaj Kal Mein Dhal Gaya" I found myself involuntariy exclaiming. "Wah"!
It's been some time since I listened to the original of "Bhai Duniya Mein", and listening to this recording brought back to mind the beauty of the song.
So, my opinion has not changed: they've all been rendered excellently!
Thanks, again.
Thanks Unniji...I hope one day he will be in the US and u can listen him live......
Sharmila
Sharmila
Mar 5 2005, 01:17 AM
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 3 2005, 08:24 PM)
Sharmila-ji:
Checked out the other two songs also.
After "Aaj Kal Mein Dhal Gaya" I found myself involuntariy exclaiming. "Wah"!
It's been some time since I listened to the original of "Bhai Duniya Mein", and listening to this recording brought back to mind the beauty of the song.
So, my opinion has not changed: they've all been rendered excellently!
Thanks, again.
You encouraged me and I am u/l couple more songs.......sorry again about the audio quality
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentInviting comments again..............thanks for listening
Sharmila
brokenHeart
Mar 5 2005, 03:01 AM
I must say you have good voice.
I will take inspiration from you..now..
both songs are really wonderfull.
rgrds
............
Sharmila
Mar 5 2005, 04:50 AM
QUOTE(brokenHeart @ Mar 4 2005, 04:31 PM)
I must say you have good voice.
I will take inspiration from you..now..
both songs are really wonderfull.
rgrds
............
OOOOPS thats my friend who's singing.........Try as might its impossible that I even remotely resemble rafi........
Sharmila
unni
Mar 5 2005, 08:24 AM
Sharmila-ji:
Usually I don't download and listen to songs from 'Sur mein na sahi". In this case I heard all your uploads, and enjoyed every one of them. Kudos to the singer!
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 5 2005, 02:11 PM
With respect to your invitation to look deep in your friends ( name ? ) recording .
I have listened to many clones , but i can make out that your friend do have THAT Potential to be one of the BEST . ( at least better than sonu nigam - lol) .
but before i proceed i woud like to put forward the criteria with which i rate .
1) Sur - this is must in any singing . Rafi sahab is the most surila singer . peope trying to copy his songs themselves become a surila in some years and its easy for them to attempt new songs .
2)Thekha - taal - rhythm . in crease and decrease of pace .
3) ucchhar - Pronounciation of the words , especially urdu diction .
4) emotions - This is the highlight of most indian old song singers , and rafi sahab was the most emotional .
5) shruti - voice = now we have choice to sing in our own voice or to imitate rafi sahabs voice ,, BUT DO REMEBER RAFI SAHAB SINGS IN DIFFERENT VOICESDEPENDING ON ACTOR AND SITUATION .. he more Base your voice has , the better the out put . I try changing voice according to the song - which is risky , but i do get away .
6) Over all mood of the song / in control of all the above points , which to give importance at a particular juncture . again this is complicated .even alaap and taans are used to enhanced the song
Lastly any person wanna sing rafi sahab songs , i would recommend him to first start singing Mukesh ji , then kishore , and after about a year he should try rafi sahabs . trying to copy anwar's songs will also lead to rafi sahab .
AND ALSO RECORDING SHOULD BE DONE ON GOOD TRACK . I WILL WRITE A SPECIAL ARTICLE ON RECORDING WITH TRACKS , AND ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY COLLECTION OF KARAOKE TRACKS .
( for more stuff - read my article here -
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=8516&hl=# )
And to rate your friend on the above criteria, i shall listen to his more recordings and would be sincere in my comments . i am mostly a optimistic man though .
also would like to request your friend to record some songs of rafi sahab , people rarely attempt, if you say yess , i willput forward my list .If any person can sing perfectly the songs from that list - I SWEAR HE DONT NEED TO GO ANYWHERE TO RATE HIM , He should be happy that he had been there ( sangeet ki gehraahe ) jahan rafi sahab jaa chuke hain ..
/Shaanawaaz\
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 5 2005, 03:28 PM
One of the songs from that list ( clones rarely attempt ) iam uploading , .
i recorded this in november , its a ghazal / nazm from a film , and of ccourse orignally sung by rafi sahab . composition is r.d.burman .
SHER KA HUSN HO .. NAGHMEIN KI JAWAANI .., hope you and your friend like it .
Sharmila
Mar 6 2005, 08:23 AM
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 4 2005, 09:54 PM)
Sharmila-ji:
Usually I don't download and listen to songs from 'Sur mein na sahi". In this case I heard all your uploads, and enjoyed every one of them. Kudos to the singer!
Unniji, that is one of the reasons I was hesitating to post the songs in Sur me na sahi...I want more Rafi fans to listen to these songs........any suggestions??
Thanks for all the appreciation and comments, will reach the singer soon....
Sharmila
Sharmila
Mar 6 2005, 08:31 AM
QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Mar 5 2005, 03:41 AM)
With respect to your invitation to look deep in your friends ( name ? ) recording .
I have listened to many clones , but i can make out that your friend do have THAT Potential to be one of the BEST . ( at least better than sonu nigam - lol) .
but before i proceed i woud like to put forward the criteria with which i rate .
AND ALSO RECORDING SHOULD BE DONE ON GOOD TRACK . I WILL WRITE A SPECIAL ARTICLE ON RECORDING WITH TRACKS , AND ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY COLLECTION OF KARAOKE TRACKS .
( for more stuff - read my article here -
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=8516&hl=# )
And to rate your friend on the above criteria, i shall listen to his more recordings and would be sincere in my comments . i am mostly a optimistic man though .
also would like to request your friend to record some songs of rafi sahab , people rarely attempt, if you say yess , i willput forward my list .If any person can sing perfectly the songs from that list - I SWEAR HE DONT NEED TO GO ANYWHERE TO RATE HIM , He should be happy that he had been there ( sangeet ki gehraahe ) jahan rafi sahab jaa chuke hain ..
/Shaanawaaz\
Thanks so much shaanawaaz ji, it was enlightening to know about the different aspects of rendering a song ........I would definitely like you to hear my friend (ANIL BAJPAI) more and welcome your comments.......I would appreciate if you can post the list of songs, I will ask my friend to try and record and send me the songs asap.......May I know your location, may be you can hear him live......
and I would love to know more about recording.....
Sharmila
unni
Mar 6 2005, 08:32 AM
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 5 2005, 09:53 PM)
I want more Rafi fans to listen to these songs........any suggestions??
I would suggest you post a message in the Mohd. Rafi forum drawing attention to this thread in SKS. You could request the members to download the tracks and check them out and post their comments. That should work!
Suggestion for the topic title: "ECHOES OF HIS GREATNESS".
unni
Mar 6 2005, 08:55 AM
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 5 2005, 10:22 PM)
You want me to start a new topic "Echoes of greatness".............??? is that right??
Sharmila
Not that I "WANT" you to! Just a suggestion.

To draw members' attention to your post which will point them towards the thread in SKS.
unni
Mar 6 2005, 09:06 AM
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 5 2005, 10:26 PM)
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 5 2005, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 5 2005, 10:22 PM)
You want me to start a new topic "Echoes of greatness".............??? is that right??
Sharmila
Not that I "WANT" you to! Just a suggestion.

To draw members' attention to your post which will point them towards the thread in SKS.
ok got it...........
Sharmila
You are 'promoting a product', and I am acting as your 'marketing consultant'.
Magar "product" ke baarey mein kuchh bataayengey ke nahin?
unni
Mar 6 2005, 09:13 AM
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 5 2005, 10:39 PM)
product ke baare me kya jankari chahiye bataiye.......... khushi se zaroor bataungi..........
Sharmila
Lo, is beech, aapney apne post ko bhi forum me
'echo' kar daala.
Sharmila
Mar 6 2005, 09:26 AM
QUOTE(unni @ Mar 5 2005, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE(Sharmila @ Mar 5 2005, 10:39 PM)
product ke baare me kya jankari chahiye bataiye.......... khushi se zaroor bataungi..........
Sharmila
Lo, is beech, aapney apne post ko bhi forum me
'echo' kar daala.


aap pls ek topic ko nikaal dijiye na..................
BTW product ka naam Anil Bajpai hai, he is a stage singer in mumbai , is trying to come to the US ...(April may be....)....any other questions? I cant think of anything else to write....
Sharmila
unni
Mar 6 2005, 09:36 AM
QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Mar 4 2005, 12:13 AM)
Kuch hamien bhi critiSIZE kijiye , waise iam an amatuer one , and i sing - Rafi sahab with heart .. and ou know iam very much active in meri awaaz suno forums .
i have uploaded one song , gham e hanstee se bas begaana ,,
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?act=...e=post&id=19330Its without and background , and just tried t capture the masters mood .
bye .
I downloaded and listened to the track. After which I listened to the original.
We mere mortals should be very careful in choosing the Rafi-sahab song we try to sing. And you chose a tough one.
It's evident you've sung it with feeling. Since you sang without accompaniment, it was slower than the original, but that's no big deal.
I'd suggest you play the original and then the recording, and compare the two. You'll realize what changes need to be made, where you've gone wrong, where you can improve, etc.
You may have to rehearse it numerous times.
Then please come up with a new recording. Can we look forward to that?
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 7 2005, 09:19 PM
Thanks Unni Ji for the review , By the way , it was just a song sung at leasure ,
and usually We sing the songs without music at a lower pace . And you are right its different from the orignal .
when a karaoke track is available , we do sing as per its pace . and the particular song i heard it recently and coudnt wait to sing .. i missed sucha nice song .
Here iam Posting Some of the Songs by Nawaaz ,I would like you and Sharmilla to d/l them and give your suggestions . the quality is very good .
Nawaaz and me are a team and Nawaaz being senior is also my teacher in music .
He had put his best into it , but is still willing to improve it more ..
imjagdish
Mar 8 2005, 02:23 AM
Lastly any person wanna sing rafi sahab songs , i would recommend him to first start singing Mukesh ji , then kishore , and after about a year he should try rafi sahabs . trying to copy anwar's songs will also lead to rafi sahab .
I got a small suggestion regarding this part. It is more important to weigh a composition before talking about other singers. If someone takes a Rafi song with Madan Mohan composition, one is'nt bound to perform well. A better approach would be to try out simple compositions initially and then gradually step into the more complicated songs. And yes, practising is extremely necessary.. Though u can take the liberty to simplify a harkat, try not to go off-scale or off-beat.
Sharmila
Mar 8 2005, 04:16 AM
QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 7 2005, 10:45 AM)
abhi abhi to aapne post kiya hai , it will take time .
by the i have alrady downloaded and also posted my comment . ( as you know i started that topic a year back )
sharmilla jee , thanks for introducing Bajpai to this forum.
he will get good criticism and suggestions here .
/shaanawaaz\
I understand......

........just that I have nothing else to do..........

...actually I do........I was just being impatient.......
Cud u post the list of songs that u had mentioned b4...? there I go again....
I am so glad I discovered HF...........Anil wud definitely welcome all your suggestions and criticism....
Sharmila
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 8 2005, 12:03 PM
QUOTE(imjagdish @ Mar 8 2005, 02:23 AM)
Lastly any person wanna sing rafi sahab songs , i would recommend him to first start singing Mukesh ji , then kishore , and after about a year he should try rafi sahabs . trying to copy anwar's songs will also lead to rafi sahab .I got a small suggestion regarding this part. It is more important to weigh a composition before talking about other singers. If someone takes a Rafi song with Madan Mohan composition, one is'nt bound to perform well. A better approach would be to try out simple compositions initially and then gradually step into the more complicated songs. And yes, practising is extremely necessary.. Though u can take the liberty to simplify a harkat, try not to go off-scale or off-beat.
I got your point , Lekin kaash agar aapne gaur kiya hota to - shayad mere us reply mein hi jawaab mil jaata .. read again ;
Lastly any person wanna sing rafi sahab songs , i would recommend him to first start singing Mukesh ji , then kishore , and after about a year he should try rafi sahabs . trying to copy anwar's songs will also lead to rafi sahab .most of Mukesh jees compositions are very simple and even lyrics are simple as well as mukesh ji's approach is natural - no voice modulation and complexities . thus it is easy to sing . ( but that doesnt mean mukesh ji is non-relevent ) Infact I myself more easily sing mukesh songs , since i started the same way what i am suggesting .
As we proceed kishore song requires extra input , as well as yodelling and sudden stop and unexpected turns , also he sung a variety of songs .
similarly since a singer wants to specialise in rafi sahabs , he should try Anwars after the above and even yesudas and some of mahendra kapor's.
AN I WILL ALSO EXPLAIN WHICH OF RAFI SAHABS SONGS TO START WITH ..
bye ..
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 8 2005, 03:06 PM
DIFFICULT SONGS TO SING
Not to complicate the above reply to iamjagdish , i am creating a separate reply to post a list of songs for sharmilla and Bajpai , which are tough , and co-incidently they are also my most favourate . references are given in brackets in case those are rare , and some of them are undrlined to highlight their importance .and remeber the list is more , but presently this is enough .IN CASE YOU DONT HAVE ORIGNAL SONG , POST REQUEST IN MOHD RAFI FORUM , OR PM ME I WILL U/L. I HAVE THEM ALL .in all there are 100 plus difficult songs .
1) Itni badi duniya , itna bada mela . ( toofan mein pyaar kahaan )
2) Koi sagar dilko behelaata nahin .
3) saathi na koi manzil , diya hain na koi mehfil .
4) Kahin bekhayal hookar yunhi chu liya kisine .
5) Kabhi khudpe kabhi haalat pe roona aaya .
6) Phir miloge kabhi is baat ka vaada karlo , humse ik aur mul;aakaat ka vaada karlo .
7) meri awaaz suno ,pyaar ka raag . ( including the last antra )
8) Teri awaaz ki jaadu gari se , na jaane kis jahaan mein kho gaya .
9) Maaayus to hoon vaade se tere , kuch aas nahin kuch aas bhi hai .
10 ) ksis ki yaad mein duniyaa ko hain bhulaaye huee . ( jahaan aara )
11 ) Baad muddat ke yeh ghadi aayei , aap aaye to zindagi aayi . ( jahan aara )
12 ) Kal raat zindagi se mulaakat ho gayi. ( palkhi )
13 ) Hui shaam unka khayaal aa gayaa .
14 ) chaudavi ka chaand ho , yaa aaftaab ho.
15 ) Phir aane laga yaad wohi pyaar ka aalam .
16 ) Pipra ke patwa , sarike dole manwa , ke hiyara mein uthat hi loor . ( godaan )
17 ) Maine shaayad tumhe paheli bhi kahin dekha hain .
18 ) sher ka husn ho , naghmein ki jawaani ho tum .
19 ) Unke khayaal aaye to aate chale gaye .
20 ) Jab muhaabat jawaan hoti hain .
The following non filmi will be welcomed .
1) Muddat huyi hain yaar ko mehmaan kiye hue .
2) gazab kiyaa tere waade pe eitbaar kiyaa .
3) Ek hi baat zamaane ki kitaabon mein nahin .
4) Dard minnat kashe dawaa na huaa , main na accha hua , bura ana hua .
5) aye taaza vaaridaan .
6) diya yeh dil agar usko bashar
And dont ever think this is competition ,
as per my experience any singer should compete with himself ,If he is satisfied with his performance ,then most listeners will .
and if requested i willpost more list of songs , and also explain the tricks and major points in each song .
/shaanawaaz\
iqbal
Mar 8 2005, 05:38 PM
Thanks Imjagdish & Shaanawaaz - that was delightful reading, look forward to more.
imjagdish
Mar 8 2005, 09:24 PM
And dont ever think this is competition ,
as per my experience any singer should compete with himself ,If he is satisfied with his performance ,then most listeners will .
and if requested i willpost more list of songs , and also explain the tricks and major points in each song .
Well Shanawaaz, there is absolutely no competition among singers. Each of them had a different class. Had each of these 3 singers been given the same song to sing, they would have sung it differently. If someone learns based on singers alone, they are likely to mould themselves in the style of that singer. So I recommend a mix n match of singers varying from simple compositions to complex. This practice basically helps one widen horizons as a singer in terms of touching difficult notes, harkat, etc (basically technical aspects of singing wrt classical music).
Now things like yoddling, throw, etc are more of polishing the song by giving some effect. These things impart an effect to the song especially while singing on stage. So these things would come once a singer can handle a variey of compositions.
And finally, if someone wants to follow the singing style of a particular singer, then the best thing is to follow the same thing by singing the songs of that singer or his clones.
Sharmila
Mar 9 2005, 04:50 AM
QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Mar 8 2005, 04:36 AM)
DIFFICULT SONGS TO SING
Not to complicate the above reply to iamjagdish , i am creating a separate reply to post a list of songs for sharmilla and Bajpai , which are tough , and co-incidently they are also my most favourate . references are given in brackets in case those are rare , and some of them are undrlined to highlight their importance .and remeber the list is more , but presently this is enough .IN CASE YOU DONT HAVE ORIGNAL SONG , POST REQUEST IN MOHD RAFI FORUM , OR PM ME I WILL U/L. I HAVE THEM ALL .in all there are 100 plus difficult songs .
Thanks shaanawaaz ji for the list, beautiful songs, some of them those that i've heard. I will have to ask Anil which one he has and knows and which he does not...
Sharmila
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Mar 9 2005, 11:43 AM
QUOTE(imjagdish @ Mar 8 2005, 09:24 PM)
And dont ever think this is competition ,
as per my experience any singer should compete with himself ,If he is satisfied with his performance ,then most listeners will .
and if requested i willpost more list of songs , and also explain the tricks and major points in each song .
Well Shanawaaz, there is absolutely no competition among singers. Each of them had a different class. Had each of these 3 singers been given the same song to sing, they would have sung it differently. If someone learns based on singers alone, they are likely to mould themselves in the style of that singer. So I recommend a mix n match of singers varying from simple compositions to complex. This practice basically helps one widen horizons as a singer in terms of touching difficult notes, harkat, etc (basically technical aspects of singing wrt classical music).
Now things like yoddling, throw, etc are more of polishing the song by giving some effect. These things impart an effect to the song especially while singing on stage. So these things would come once a singer can handle a variey of compositions.
And finally, if someone wants to follow the singing style of a particular singer, then the best thing is to follow the same thing by singing the songs of that singer or his clones.
For - Iamjagdish
Here here again , you got confused - the staement about competition is not mentioned for Rafi sahab and other singers . and that post was refered to sharmilla .
what i meant was by mentioning the songs of difficult nature ,
It should'nt be considered as a competition for MR ANIL BAJPAI . ( It was just my idea and i always do whenevr i meet a Rafi sahab follower to sing those particular songs , so he can Enjoy his passion more passionately ). These songs ( which i listed and will list more ) are Rafi sahabs best in all terms ( popularity is not criteria here ) .
For sharmilla
I would also request you to read my post here .
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=5353 . Its about the karaoke tracks available . I will update that list too . AND PLEASE ASK YOUR FRIEND IF HE HAS EXTRA TRACKS THAN THAT I HAVE LISTED .
in particular , the following .
1) kal raat zindagise mulaakaat ho gayi .
2) apni to har aah ek toofaan hain .
3) jab muhaabt jawaan hoti hain .
4) hum to chal pardes ke hum , pardesi .
5) o meri mehbooba .
i will list more , which i required .
lastly how did you like My ( sher ka husn & gham e hastee ) and Mr nawaaz ( aapke haseen eukh pe & chaudavi ka chand ) songs .
bye
imjagdish
Mar 10 2005, 05:54 AM
For - Iamjagdish
Here here again , you got confused - the staement about competition is not mentioned for Rafi sahab and other singers . and that post was refered to sharmilla .
what i meant was by mentioning the songs of difficult nature , It should'nt be considered as a competition for MR ANIL BAJPAI . ( It was just my idea and i always do whenevr i meet a Rafi sahab follower to sing those particular songs , so he can Enjoy his passion more passionately ). These songs ( which i listed and will list more ) are Rafi sahabs best in all terms ( popularity is not criteria here ) .
Well Shanawaaz, I think you are taking my comments personally. However, I do not intend to hurt anyone in anyway. I should also say that I view things more critcally, but I aim at constructive criticism, not hurting anyone. The only point that I wanted to convey is that rather than basing one's learning curve on a singer, base it on the composition. Like Mukesh Ji and KishoreDa even Rafi Saahab has sung simple compositions.
I agree that amatuer singers (eg Anil) should not consider singing difficult songs as competition. However, oversimplifying a song will not help in one's growth as a singer. Our love and respect for our favourite singers often makes us attempt difficult songs rendered by them.. However, my point is let just our passions about our singers not dominate in making us attempt these songs. I am quoting this assuming that one wants to improve as a singer. Plz do not consider this as a duel between me and Shananwaaz. Anyone else can also freely give their views regd this.
Finally I suggest an improvement on the song "Chaudhavi Ka Chaand" that was posted. There are times when the "ho" part after lajawaab is extended....Try it out...
Talaikya
Mar 16 2005, 12:12 PM
Sharmila ji,
I am sorry for the delay in opining, I am always reluctant to opine because, I really don't think I know enough to opine. Still, since you asked specifically, I did listen to the songs you had uploaded. The only way I can express this is - I normally hate it when someone sings the Legends' songs. I am very allergic - to put it mildly. Could never stand Sonu Nigam and Anuradha Paudwal singing Rafi saab's and Lata ji's songs. I also remember someone sang Geeta Dutt's songs and I had a fight with my husband for buying that CD. It's been banished from the home (those days I had that much influence

). Anyways, when I heard this gentleman sing, I felt no such revulsion!! This is all I can say. I could enjoy his singing. Why and what and how, I have no clue. I hope I can get to hear him sing live, do let me know whenever he performs here, neighbour
T
Sharmila
Mar 22 2005, 04:51 AM
QUOTE(Talaikya @ Mar 16 2005, 01:42 AM)
Sharmila ji,
I am sorry for the delay in opining, I am always reluctant to opine because, I really don't think I know enough to opine. Still, since you asked specifically, I did listen to the songs you had uploaded. The only way I can express this is - I normally hate it when someone sings the Legends' songs. I am very allergic - to put it mildly. Could never stand Sonu Nigam and Anuradha Paudwal singing Rafi saab's and Lata ji's songs. I also remember someone sang Geeta Dutt's songs and I had a fight with my husband for buying that CD. It's been banished from the home (those days I had that much influence

). Anyways, when I heard this gentleman sing, I felt no such revulsion!! This is all I can say. I could enjoy his singing. Why and what and how, I have no clue. I hope I can get to hear him sing live, do let me know whenever he performs here, neighbour
T
Thanks for the compliments Neighbor ji...........I will surely post in the HF abt his programs in the US...
Shaanawaaz ji.........I did talk about the list of Songs with Anil and he seemed to know most of them, some he didnt and I will post the list a little later.......as for him singing those songs.......I dont know whether I can get him to do that soon, he seems to be caught up with lot of programs.....but I will try to get them asap...He has a lot of programs coming up in Mumbai in the next couple of weeks, I cud find out more abt them if anyone is interested in attending the shows...???
Sharmila
Sharmila
May 28 2006, 11:59 PM
Phir Anil Bajpai.............Could not get better quality audio...as I resorted to Sound recorder again to convert some songs from video to audio....
but I would appreciate if some one crosses the obstacles in music quality and looks beyond..
Will upload more songs....if anyone is interested..........
He will be performing live in Chennai on June 17th and 25th and performs in Mumbai all the time..
Heres a song from Haqeeqat........
Click to view attachment
gkshyam
May 29 2006, 08:41 PM
Sharmila Ji, Can you please confirm whether this song "Main Yeh Sochkar" is a live recording of Anil... or studio recorded stuff? If live, please let me know from which concert of his/his troupe was it taken. Thanks in advance

I've been lucky enough to have met this singer, and also attended most of his concerts in Mumbai. I also do have some of his concert videos (Of his performances with the group "Golden Greats", and also some cassettes of their live concerts..... He's really amazing, really blessed singer

) As far as I remember, his best rendition of the song you have uploaded (Main Yeh Sochkar), was in one of the older concerts of Golden Greats (It was a Madan-Mohan special) in Chembur, Mumbai, where Anil sang the vocals, and was accompanied by Jitendra Thakur (A leading violinist from the Hindi film industry), who played the violin parts originally played by Pyarelal Ji

I sincerely hope this file is a rip of 'THAT' concert

PS: Anil got married recently to a girl from US. I believe he had been to the US for quite some time now, and returned to Mumbai just recently. Did he perform in the US anytime in this visit??? Would have been a grand treat for all Rafi fans, and old music lovers I'm sure
Sharmila
May 29 2006, 11:49 PM
QUOTE(gkshyam @ May 29 2006, 10:11 AM)

Sharmila Ji, Can you please confirm whether this song "Main Yeh Sochkar" is a live recording of Anil... or studio recorded stuff? If live, please let me know from which concert of his/his troupe was it taken. Thanks in advance

I've been lucky enough to have met this singer, and also attended most of his concerts in Mumbai. I also do have some of his concert videos (Of his performances with the group "Golden Greats", and also some cassettes of their live concerts..... He's really amazing, really blessed singer

) As far as I remember, his best rendition of the song you have uploaded (Main Yeh Sochkar), was in one of the older concerts of Golden Greats (It was a Madan-Mohan special) in Chembur, Mumbai, where Anil sang the vocals, and was accompanied by Jitendra Thakur (A leading violinist from the Hindi film industry), who played the violin parts originally played by Pyarelal Ji

I sincerely hope this file is a rip of 'THAT' concert

PS: Anil got married recently to a girl from US. I believe he had been to the US for quite some time now, and returned to Mumbai just recently. Did he perform in the US anytime in this visit??? Would have been a grand treat for all Rafi fans, and old music lovers I'm sure

Hi GKShyam ji...you are right on target....this is a rip of "THAT" concert, one abt three years back......with sound recorder and hence the poor quality.........
Its funny that you should mention about Anil's marriage to a girl from US..well ...I am fortunate enough to be her.......(yet unfortunate for the distance between us)........He did perform in New York (though not quite legally) for a small community program........I am interested in getting him shows in the US..but am yet to find any organisers......
Do you think I should u/l some more songs that I ripped from the same show?
thanks for your compliments
Sharmila
gkshyam
May 30 2006, 11:03 AM
WOWOW!!!!!!!!!

Kya baat hai........... Infact, I must admit, I had a small doubt whether you were "her"

Frankly.....

But I hadn't gone through the whole thread in detail, and weren't sure whether you had mentioned these uploads being your husband's...... In most places, I read you mentioning Anil as your "Friend"....

Hence I decided to hold my horses back ..... And 'deliberately' added that line in the last post....

Hehehe

Anyways....... Really great to know you here

You are very right, you ARE fortunate enough to have such a nice person as your husband...... God Bless You
And thanks a ton for confirming that it is the rip of "THAT" very concert!!!!

I must say you made my day

I really owe you one for that

I shall download this file immediately. Incase, as you said, the quality isn't great since you used Sound Recorder, I have the audio cassette of this live concert. I can try and rip it from the cassette for better quality. But yes, if this file suffices decent quality, I don't think there would be any problem

Yes, it is very much unfortunate that you both stay away from each other....

I'm sure you will be united back real soon

Any plans of coming down to India??? Or is Anil looking to shift there???

Well...... I would vote for the former, or else we all here would be deprived of listening to him live

Do you also sing Sharmila Ji??? Do write back. Give our regards to your husband

PS: Is Anil still singing for Golden Greats???? Well, they are having a programme in Chembur Fine Arts this coming week (Salil Chowdhary special)..... Is he a part of the concert??? Do let us know

Would be great to see him after quite some time......
gkshyam
May 30 2006, 11:13 AM
And YES!!!!!!!!! "THAT" Concert, in my opinion, was the best ever of Golden Greats till date......... The song selection, singing, instrumentalists.... just about everything was perfect on that day

You MUST very much upload all the tracks from that concert!!!

A real treat for any music lover

Anil was simply outstanding that day

(And it also happened to be the first time I heard Anil, so that makes it really special

)
And regarding performances in US, a man of such talent, should not, in my opinion, face too much problems in getting concerts. It wont take time for him to get noticed. Try talking to the local Indian-based cultural organisations for a start, show them his Live Videos and stuff. Take up the programmes, however small they may be. More important now, is to make people 'aware' of him. Very soon, I'm sure he would be flooded with offers and concerts there....

All the Best

Keep us posted....
PS 2: Have you uploaded any of his videos too here? Or just the audios????
Sharmila
May 31 2006, 10:02 PM
QUOTE(gkshyam @ May 30 2006, 12:43 AM)

And YES!!!!!!!!! "THAT" Concert, in my opinion, was the best ever of Golden Greats till date......... The song selection, singing, instrumentalists.... just about everything was perfect on that day

You MUST very much upload all the tracks from that concert!!!

A real treat for any music lover

Anil was simply outstanding that day

(And it also happened to be the first time I heard Anil, so that makes it really special

)
And regarding performances in US, a man of such talent, should not, in my opinion, face too much problems in getting concerts. It wont take time for him to get noticed. Try talking to the local Indian-based cultural organisations for a start, show them his Live Videos and stuff. Take up the programmes, however small they may be. More important now, is to make people 'aware' of him. Very soon, I'm sure he would be flooded with offers and concerts there....

All the Best

Keep us posted....
PS 2: Have you uploaded any of his videos too here? Or just the audios????

Hi GKShyamji...
When I posted those earlier messages, I was not yet married to Anil and hence referred to him as my friend.
How did you find the audio quality....? is it passable?
I am looking to shift to India but not really soon...I will definitely not deprive the audience that has supported him so far of listening to him..
Anil is not doing many shows for Golden Greats..he is more with Klub Nostalgia..He will not be in the Salil Chowdhry special.....sorry!
The Madan mohan special was indeed an amazing concert and you are absolutely right about the quality of songs, singers and instrumentalists.....I do not have the video copy with me now....but when I did, I used to listen to it almost daily.
We will try to make some contacts here and hope that works..thanks for your suggestions..
I do not know how to rip a video song by song.......thats one of the reasons I posted just the audio......also frankly I do not have too many videos of Golden greats...
Its great that I could interact with you through HF...pls keep in touch
I will definitely convey your regards to Anil,
Sharmila
/ShaaNAwaaz\
Jun 2 2006, 04:50 PM
A marvellvous treatment and better than the prviously u/l other songs .
even madan mohan would have been impressed .
shall i also say that the violin was masterpiece , exactly the same as in orignal .
the end part should have been more emotional if compared to the way he started .
I will rate anil just next to Anwar .
Anil is surely more Rafi-like than Sonu Nigam .
with best wishes .
shaanawaaz.
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