Why dont members like to respond/appreciate the song even after downloading ?

This question has been making me really curious. I have seen members downloading practically every song shared on Geeta Dutt forum,but not responding to any of the threads. And we are not talking of a few songs..its like they have been downloading more than hundreds of songs quietly. I have no problem in the download, in fact thats a silent appreciation. The question is why never appreciate the song, singer, MD, Lyrics..

Many (if not most) of the songs shared on HF are re-uploads. Yes, there are genuine original contributors and they are always a class apart in terms of their contributions and discussions.

I am not putting any names nor want any one to do that, but I really find it strange that these ppl simply browse, download and gone!

My observation on the other forums, is that, there are more appreciators than slient downloaders. A lot of discussions also happen. Only here in Geeta Dutt forum, very few members want to appreciate.

I believe I am voicing the thoughts of many not just myself.

No offence meant..just curious to know !

Regards
Parag

Hi Parag..that is a thoughtful question indeed. I know how much time it takes to upload a song, and how troublesome it becomes sometimes ..the only thing which encourages a person to upload is the happiness to share a beautiful song..and ofcourse the appreciation from others for bringing that out...

I think some people are afraid to write anything, as they feel they are not qualified to talk about the singer / lyricist / MD...so, they just quietly download the song and go away. Some, i think are of the opinion that they have right to download without compulsion of leaving a little thankyou note..
We cant change both of them. It is up to them to open up and accept certain things and be thankful and express it...After all, music does make better humanbeings..Isnt it?

Parag,

Right or wrong, this is my policy on the subject.

1.I invariably thank profusely every uploader who fulfills a request of mine.

2. Now, there are two categories of songs that I download other than through my requests:(a) those I know and like and b. those I do not know at all or could not identify on reading the uploader's description. In the case of 2 (a) also, I invariably thank the uploader. But, in the case of 2 b, after downloading and listening, if I like that new (unknown to me) song, I thank the uploader.

Does it read a bit complicated?

Venkat

PS. Oh, I just read once again your first post and found that you are talking of appreciating the song , singer, etc. Well, I mostly do!

Hi SF, Venkat

Thanks for expressing your views on this. As I said, my concern is about appreciating the song,not the upload or the uploader.

Waiting to hear from other members as well.

Best Regards
Parag

PARAG Ji , agar mujhe "pura" english aata to main zyada "bak bak" karta.

I rejoin also VENKAT...

I download for a most good copy sometime and if so I thank the uploader.

There is also something that I don't apreciate : you never see the name of "ALL" the downloader.


Devji

Devji, baat english ya hindi ki nahin hain, isliye aap jo bhi dil mein hain bindhast likho.

Main is baat ko peechhle 2 years se feel kar raha hoon isliye likha

Regards
parag

Parag,

First of all, I appreciate the way you have been attending to each post and your over all participation in this forum. Some times, I feel guilty for being less vocal in appreciating fellow members contributions. I commend members like Binod, King Kishore, Anjvajay and Hum Tum (to name a few), for their constant appreciation of gratitude to fellow members.

In recent days, I have downloaded only one or two songs from GD section. Therefore, my explanations are based on all sections of this forum. It will be improper for me to speculate on other members reason for not acknowledging.

I hardly see movies. By now, majority of members are well aware that I don't know hindi. I have been listening to Hindi music for decades. I have picked up a handful of words that's all. But I listen to songs for their melody. Therefore, I don't have much to write about a song.
Secondly, once a while some untoward incidences flare up in the forum. However, things are improving.
In this forum I have interacted with several extremely nice individuals. However, there are isolated less friendly instances; even instances where members are criticized for misspelling, failure to capitalize certain letters in name and so on.

For all these reasons, I tend to watch my words and write less. I would rather contribute to the forum in other ways than write too much. I try to acknowledge contributors often, if not every time. Many songs I download may not be of my liking, but I get them simply for some of the filmographies I have been working on.

Hari Ram

Shall I state the obvious? Some are just collectors, not listeners....

Its OK about collecting. My observation is that the response/appreciations in this particular forum is very little.

Dear Hari Ram

Thanks a lots for putting your thoughts in such details. I am not concerned about someone appreciating an upload or not. There is little appreciation of the lesser heard/rare songs being shared on Geeta Dutt forum. I feel sad about it.

Parag

SF

This is like giving the benefit of doubt to the batsman.



Any more thoughts on this ?


Parag

We come different parts of World..not just India. Our languages are different so does cultures and customs. Just to give a weird example...the word pramaadam in Tamil means, very very good. The same word in Telugu means " Danger" Not to say that both are neighbouring states..
But the common bond that exists among us all is the love for Hindi songs. I am sure many of us cant understand a song's meaning but still love them no less.
Some of us doesnt know anything about the song which qualifies them to talk about..they just LIKE it and would cherish it. So they ruled themselves out.
And lastly, it does exist among many members of the forum, an opinion that they are not good in english, which is being used largely to communicate ... So a reluctance sets in them not to speak out many times, or too much...
Aaap kya bolte hai is baare mein?? Parag ji... Kya main umpire ke role mein insaaf kiya ?

I have been on HF for close to 2 years now. Its not a secret that most of my activity is on Geeta ji's forum.
Somehow this what I always have been feeling about Geeta Dutt forum. On this forum, ppl dont want to
play antakshari, very little discussions, little appreciation of hundreds of melodies sung by our belated singer.

I agree that every song shared may not be rare/never heard before for all. Still one can always appreciate the song,
in whatever way, atleast some time.

Parag

I can totally understand your feelings.
Except Mukesh and Rafi's forums, no antakshari has survived, it seems..Why dont you revive it..after all, all big things do start from small sprouts.. And honestly, it makes ignorants like me recall / know the gems Geeta has sung.. an opportunity rather..

Action taken my friend..



Lets all join the antakshari and enjoy..!

Cheers
Parag

I had the same complaint, but I guess this issue is more of Morality.

Some are just chronic downloader, that is how I see this. Yes, people should take part in discussions and acknowledge downloads. Agreed one cannot acknowledge each and every download but one can always say a word here and there. Some just download and vanish, never utter a word. That is sad.

Parag,

Here are a few more points I would like to make in terms of low level of posts on music appreciation.

I do not feel this problem is restricted to GD section. There are several other singer and MD sections that are nearly dormant. In most sections that I participated, I see about 10 - 15% dowloaders leaving responses. To illustrate my point, I will give a few examples. Recently full versions of 'dil lagaa kar' songs from Zindagi Aur Maut was posted for the first time in this forum. I am sure, well over 50 members sampled it. However, the total response (thank you notes and appreciation combined) posted to this song was about a dozen. In recent months, in the MDs section there were several rare movie albums posted for the first time in this forum. But the average responses for these contributions were no more that a few.

While I agree with you that more appreciation would be desirable, I can think of three additional reasons for low response (or appreciation rate).
1. Some members experience frequent power failure and internet failures. Members participate with us inspite of these difficulties.
2. This being a very popular forum, large amount of rare song selections are sampled daily.
3. With the available time, some members are more occupied with maintaining ratio.

These observations are based on my readings from various posts.

Hari Ram

Absolutely right Marcilo, couldnt agree more !

And if one prefers not to appreciate the upload/uploader, thats still OK. At least appreciate the artists, the singer, the lyricist, the MD who put all the efforts to make that melody !

I am sure the downloaders must be listening to and enjoying some songs, if not all.



Best Regards
Parag

P.S. And by the way, the rains have stopped in the bay area, so the umbrellas are hanging dry at home !

My reason may be a bit unique because I'm an OCD

A lot of songs are new for me - I'm "learning" them (not to mention enjoying). But before you learn a song - IMO it has to be properly tagged with the correct information. Only then can I refer to a song, identify that it is composed by Roshan, know what movie and explore other songs, etc.

Uploaders here are very kind & follow the rules to provide the information. They can save themselves a lot of work and benefit from their efforts. Instead of MANUALLY typing the information into the post - manually type the information into the tags of a song. Then have a software like Media Monkey (free) effortless generate a searchable text document that you can copy and paste. here's an example ! took me 10 seconds

Title Album Length Year Bitrate
aaj hua mera dil matwaala Chhote Nawab 5:19 1961 128
aaj ki jhunli raat ma dharti par hai aatma Talash 6:56 1969 128
aapne yaad dilaaya to mujhe yaad aaya Aarti 3:44 1962 128
aashaaon ke saavan mein umangon ki bahaar mein Asha 5:41 1980 128
aavaaz deke hame tum bulaao muhabbat mein itna na hamko sataao Professor 5:00 1962 128

it saves both the uploader and the sampler a lot of time. you listen to the first song and realize you love RD Burman or that you want to see other songs from the movie. instead of wasting time doing stuff that a program should do for you - you have more time to enjoy and talk about the song. obviously we cannot make this a rule as a lot of people wouldn't feel comfortable with software (reasonably to use though) - but i'd encourage this kind of approach for uploaders for their own convenience!

AK bhai,

The simple fact is when there is a comment/appreication on a thread it comes to the top of the list of topics being discussed giving that thread more visibility. That way more and more members can appreciate the said upload/discussion.

I am sure the members surely understand this. This is the small thing members can do. Actual appreciation of the song,lyrics,music, singer,situation,film would be even more appreciated.

Cheers
Parag

Why Dont Members Like To Respond/appreciate The Song Even After Downloading ?, Just curious to know....

It has been happening everywhere on HF...not just here on Geeta Dutt forum parag....seriously,most members
are either ignorant of the fact that it is common courtesy to thank or appreciate the person who uploads , or they are plain arrogant...you can take your pick, there is no other explaination to this...one is not required to go into raptures or analyse the song or lyrics...a simple thank you is all that is required.... but here most members simply feel that it is not required and that is a fact time and again.......

Reeth, thanks for your message.

In my case, most of the songs I upload are usually re-upload of rare/lesser heard songs. So I am not expecting any "Thank you"s. The original uploaders deserve that. I have been getting songs shared by many members such as Mahesh, Maheshks, CM2, Balajigade, Sangeetbhakt and many more over last 2 years.

Since I normally cant remember which one was shared by whom, I only mention "Courtsey HF". The only expectation I have is the appreciation of the song.

I understand its not possible for every song shared. But when that happens all the time, then it makes me feel sad. Thats all...

Regards
Parag

Hi Musiclover77,

Thanks for posting your views on this thread. I hope you are listening to and enjoying the lesser heard songs of Geeta ji being shared here on Geeta Dutt forum.

It will be great if you can provide more info about this tagging software so that members can spend less time in providing the info by typing it.



Best Regards
Parag

Taking another look at your post Reeth. IMHO, appreciating the song is more important than a thank you note for the upload. Of course, as you rightly said, that happens very rarely.

Is there anything we can do to improve the participation and appreciation of songs of legendary artists?

Best Regards
Parag

Parag there are different patterns among members

broadly ...there are members who download songs and write their own views of the songs and thank the d/ler.....that is an ideal situation, there are some members here who do that every time they d/l.
Then there are members who d/l and leave a brief thank you note ...
the above two are ideal situations...

There are members who d/l from any member but thank only a few members who are their chums/friends whatever.......they probably feel the other members are not worthy of their gesture...
Then there are others who download left right and centre and never bother to thank anyone..
Take your pick..... we have them all.....

Reeth one more category -- those who thank without downloading. ( I have done that many times. I post a thanks so that I can go back and download later but invariably forget to download it. )

HT bhai, at least I have not seen this category myself. There are many members who regularly download good quality rare songs and never ever acknowledge the artists by posting some comment.



Parag

Parag,

May be you should ask the admin to give us
"Thanks" Button so that thread does not grow.
member can hit the thanks button and I for one
don't like to come back to thread that just has thank you
as post.

If you want to discussion that is one thing but
most discussion here in HF are either lame or quickly
turn to name calling.

There are too many threads and less work I have
to do the better.

Also, many don't listen to the downloaded music.
I have seen how I am the only one complaining some
aspect of the song and there is no response from the uploader
or anyone else.

There is always a chance that when you get something for free.
you value it less. a normal human condition.

Rajnish ji, thanks for posting your views.

1) Thats so very true, members are little interested in any discussion these days for some reason.
2) Since many ppl simply d/l for "future listening", its obvious that they would not prefer to discuss anything related to the songs. I have seen members d/l ing 50 GB or more of songs. The trend is still continuing.
3) Bitter truth well said

Cheers
Parag

Parag,

My 0.02: Although a thank you note is a nice gesture, just consider how much extra, and possibly unnecessary traffic thank-you messages could generate if every one of the 3000 downloads on your "mixed bag..." thread were thanked for 3000 times and acknowledged another 3000 times. And that's just for one thread on one forum. Personally, I feel actions convey gratitude more than words. So although many downloaders, including myself, might have not had thanked you explicitly for each song downloaded, myself, and I'm sure others, would be ready to reciprocate commensurately when the situation arises. Also being relatively new to the forum (< 6 mos) I wasn't aware of the thank-you expectation here. Finally, a suggestion - do what you feel like/want to do, without expecting any appreciation or reward. Very few people can actually realize this in practice, possibly because of the 'good deed implies reward' mentality inculated from childhood.

-Prithvi

Prithvi ji, I agree with your point 100%. No doubt there will be a clutter of not-so-meaningful "Thank you" notes if every downloader had posted a note after every download.

I have high respect for you and what you have said, so I hope you will not misunderstand
what I am going to say further in this post.

I want to tell a story in this regards, I am sure you would have heard it on similar lines before:

There was an empty well a few km away from a king's palace. The king ordered all his subjects to pour one bucket of milk per person into it.
It was expected that it will be filled with milk. The next day when the king reached the well, he saw that it was full of water.

No prizes for guessing what happened. Every one thought that any ways, others are going to pour in buckets of milk, so one bucket of water from my side will not cause any harm and no one will notice it.


So, probably every downloader after every download thinks why to "increase" the post count, almost nobody posts any encouraging messageor appreciates the artist or the song itself.

My 2 cents !

Best Regards
Parag

P.S. Also my first post on this thread says that appreciation of the song, the singer, lyricist, composer is what is expected. At least sometimes if not always, as it is not practical that one will appreciate for every download.

good hai ji good hai-------

You are one of a kind HT

Hello All,

A few comments from my end on this topic:

* I feel a lot of members do not participate in discussing about a song/film/singer/MD is because given the kind of knowledgeable senior members in this forum, many of the newbies feel apprehensive. Frankly I myself have a similar feeling. eg., In the GD forum itself there are members who have been listening to Geetaji's songs for the past 30-40 years probably. I really don't know what to discuss with such people around, given the fact that my exposure to this plethora of GD songs is hardly for 30-40 days yet! Simply stating I like so-n-so song doesn't make much sense to me, and for that matter saying this song doesn't appeal to me so much might just begin a controversy!
May be this is just an example, but I believe there are others who might share my feelings.

* But then leaving a Thank You note, even if occasionally, is I feel a minimum courtesy to all the trouble the uploaders have taken in sharing their collection.

Another point, which is a little off-the-topic:

* Most of the uploaded songs lack proper tagging (as mentioned by musiclover77), which makes managing so many of them really difficult. Especially for newbies, who are yet years away from knowing-most-info-by-heart stage. Say from among the hundreds, I want to find the duets of Rafisaab & Geetaji in a particular movie, then how do I easily do so? Putting all the info within the file name is helpful, only when I know which file to look into. A desktop search engine helps in such cases, but not entirely. Encouraging members, atleast who are comfortable with softwares, to have the ID tags in place will be really helpful IMO. Note: I use Mp3tag for this.


All this is entirely my personal opinion and I expressed them without the slightest intention of hurting anyone or creating any controversy.

Regards,
Prosenjit