Friends,
The topic is self explanatory. Kindly do poll and also give your valued comment.
Venkat
Without any doubt, the thespian Dilip Saab. All the other actors in the above list look upon him as their idol.
A true legend, a benchmark in acting similar to Rafisaab in singing.
The other one is AB who looks upon Dilip Saab as his guru.
A true legend, a benchmark in acting similar to Rafisaab in singing.
The other one is AB who looks upon Dilip Saab as his guru.
DILIP KUMAR 
Amitabh Bachan a close second...
Amitabh Bachan a close second...
Before advent of TV, its was Tragedy King Dilip Kumar.
taking all ads.....Himani, Binani, Lakhani and ......
Kaun banega .............. into consideration
One and only one Amta Pachchan
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taking all ads.....Himani, Binani, Lakhani and ......
Kaun banega .............. into consideration
One and only one Amta Pachchan
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I didn't vote. I didn't think it necessary, 'coz the answer is kinda obvious.
Noorie
Noorie
When i was in Kabul and I was too young to know about India, India’s film Industry, or India's language--HIndi, I knew Amitabh Bachan!!!! So, when i was kid, it was all about Amitabh , but when i was about to leave Afghanistan, it was all about Shahrukh Khan. .......As an adult now i can find my own choice, Amitabh is the Emperor of Bollywood....he’s popular, talented, versatile, confident, fit to any situation/time/role……….that’s how he still rules!
PS: i haven't watched Dilip Kumar movies yet except Ram and Shaam......anyone tell me his best movie with best sound quality ?( i can't understand Hindi in black and white movies)
PS: i haven't watched Dilip Kumar movies yet except Ram and Shaam......anyone tell me his best movie with best sound quality ?( i can't understand Hindi in black and white movies)
Dharmendra.
Of the actors mentioned above, he had the greatest comic talent, was the best looking, and consistently produced hits from 1966 with Anupama to 1980 Ram Balram. That is a pretty long, successful, prolific, memorable, GREAT career.
Rajesh Khanna was great but he was part of the wave shared by him, Kishore, RDB, and the inevitable human inclination for change. Take out one of those three and the entire wave would have fallen. This wave naturally commanded (and was greatly helped by) hype from the India press. I guess him being single helped too. While the Indian press catered to the wave, Dharmendra was starring in quality movies one after another but the press whimsically did not give him enough credit sort of like the way they did with another great artist. We look back now, with the hype having long since withered, and give proper appreciation to these artists. Rajesh Khanna was great, don't get me wrong, but Dharmendra was superior IMO.
Raj Kapoor was a true legend. A brilliant showman, entrepeneur, & director. He is the one who gave SJ a break. As an actor - he was good but wouldn't match up to his ability in the other roles I mentioned. It's really tough to separate the actor with the showman but you must to be objective. Dharmendra was undoubtedly the more romantic hero, a much more credible action hero, and far superior in comedy. Overall, he doesn't match up to Raj Kapoor who had great impact on the industry, but in acting alone - Dharmendra was the better.
Amitabh Bachchan? Dharmendra was the leading man for Sholay & Chupke Chupke. Isn't Dharmendra the one who recommended Amitabh in 1975 to a reluctant Ramesh Sippy? Could Amitabh have filled Dharmendra's shoes in either of those movies? No way. No "leading man" could have better rendered the "Mausi Ji" scene from Sholay or played Dr Parimal Tripathi. Of course Amitabh is a great actor and sometimes could do scenes himself that Dharmendra could not do as well. This is true anytime you compare two great artists. But the exchange is not always even. It is hard to mentally imagine one artist in place of another but I do it from time to time. A big reason for Amitabh's popularity is that he set a new trend with the "angry man" personality.
I'll cut down to the biggest reason: I'm not a big fan of tragedy movies or movies with trite & predictable plots e.g. two friends love the same girl, two brothers on opposite sides of the law and the mother intervening, etc. The scene in Laawaris where Munshiji dies (played by Om Prakash) was so predictable and unnecessarily depressing. The final scene of Mukadar Ka Sikandar - so overdramati & overacted. I like Hindi movies but consider myself fair & balanced (but may have a lot more learning to do - although I have been exposed to Hindi songs for 17 years now and sporadic exposure to Hindi classic films - some were childhood favorites). On one end of the spectrum, there are guys who think Amitabh can do no wrong (him trying to be Gabbar will be a sickly, caricaturish blemish to his career) and all the movies of 1970s were thrillers and perfect. Then there are young Indians (and friends from South Asia, Middle East etc) in the US (and probably India too) who refuse to have anything with Hindi movies which are "overacted & overdramatic & predictable" in their own eyes. I fall in the middle.
I'll comment on Dilip Kumar later when I watch more of his movies. I've seen only Mughal E Azam (Ajit was a GREAT actor - one of my favorites), Gopi, Shakti, and a Sanjay Dutt movie. The scene where father kills son should have been censored right off and was there to get a move from the public - which it did. I'm not eager for Dilip right now because I'm not too big on tragedy and look for overall ability.
Shah Rukh Khan? Hahahahahaha! Don't make me laugh. I never discard an artist based soley on time. It JUST SO HAPPENS to be that Lata Mangeshkar is incomparably superior to today's singers or that the old Don is incomparably superior to the one in 2006. But I always give consideration before waiving someone off. Not everyone does that. People romanticize Madhubala and say no woman can match her, as if beautiful women were no longer born after 1969.
Certainly I have plenty to learn but I've seen enough of these actors including Raj Kapoor (except Dilip Kumar) to make a reasonable analysis. My opinion may not be shared by others but I do come from a different background (I get the best of both US & Indian culture and can pick and choose) and hey, disagreeing is more fun.
Of the actors mentioned above, he had the greatest comic talent, was the best looking, and consistently produced hits from 1966 with Anupama to 1980 Ram Balram. That is a pretty long, successful, prolific, memorable, GREAT career.
Rajesh Khanna was great but he was part of the wave shared by him, Kishore, RDB, and the inevitable human inclination for change. Take out one of those three and the entire wave would have fallen. This wave naturally commanded (and was greatly helped by) hype from the India press. I guess him being single helped too. While the Indian press catered to the wave, Dharmendra was starring in quality movies one after another but the press whimsically did not give him enough credit sort of like the way they did with another great artist. We look back now, with the hype having long since withered, and give proper appreciation to these artists. Rajesh Khanna was great, don't get me wrong, but Dharmendra was superior IMO.
Raj Kapoor was a true legend. A brilliant showman, entrepeneur, & director. He is the one who gave SJ a break. As an actor - he was good but wouldn't match up to his ability in the other roles I mentioned. It's really tough to separate the actor with the showman but you must to be objective. Dharmendra was undoubtedly the more romantic hero, a much more credible action hero, and far superior in comedy. Overall, he doesn't match up to Raj Kapoor who had great impact on the industry, but in acting alone - Dharmendra was the better.
Amitabh Bachchan? Dharmendra was the leading man for Sholay & Chupke Chupke. Isn't Dharmendra the one who recommended Amitabh in 1975 to a reluctant Ramesh Sippy? Could Amitabh have filled Dharmendra's shoes in either of those movies? No way. No "leading man" could have better rendered the "Mausi Ji" scene from Sholay or played Dr Parimal Tripathi. Of course Amitabh is a great actor and sometimes could do scenes himself that Dharmendra could not do as well. This is true anytime you compare two great artists. But the exchange is not always even. It is hard to mentally imagine one artist in place of another but I do it from time to time. A big reason for Amitabh's popularity is that he set a new trend with the "angry man" personality.
I'll cut down to the biggest reason: I'm not a big fan of tragedy movies or movies with trite & predictable plots e.g. two friends love the same girl, two brothers on opposite sides of the law and the mother intervening, etc. The scene in Laawaris where Munshiji dies (played by Om Prakash) was so predictable and unnecessarily depressing. The final scene of Mukadar Ka Sikandar - so overdramati & overacted. I like Hindi movies but consider myself fair & balanced (but may have a lot more learning to do - although I have been exposed to Hindi songs for 17 years now and sporadic exposure to Hindi classic films - some were childhood favorites). On one end of the spectrum, there are guys who think Amitabh can do no wrong (him trying to be Gabbar will be a sickly, caricaturish blemish to his career) and all the movies of 1970s were thrillers and perfect. Then there are young Indians (and friends from South Asia, Middle East etc) in the US (and probably India too) who refuse to have anything with Hindi movies which are "overacted & overdramatic & predictable" in their own eyes. I fall in the middle.
I'll comment on Dilip Kumar later when I watch more of his movies. I've seen only Mughal E Azam (Ajit was a GREAT actor - one of my favorites), Gopi, Shakti, and a Sanjay Dutt movie. The scene where father kills son should have been censored right off and was there to get a move from the public - which it did. I'm not eager for Dilip right now because I'm not too big on tragedy and look for overall ability.
Shah Rukh Khan? Hahahahahaha! Don't make me laugh. I never discard an artist based soley on time. It JUST SO HAPPENS to be that Lata Mangeshkar is incomparably superior to today's singers or that the old Don is incomparably superior to the one in 2006. But I always give consideration before waiving someone off. Not everyone does that. People romanticize Madhubala and say no woman can match her, as if beautiful women were no longer born after 1969.
Certainly I have plenty to learn but I've seen enough of these actors including Raj Kapoor (except Dilip Kumar) to make a reasonable analysis. My opinion may not be shared by others but I do come from a different background (I get the best of both US & Indian culture and can pick and choose) and hey, disagreeing is more fun.
QUOTE(noorie @ Aug 18 2007, 08:34 PM) 
I didn't vote. I didn't think it necessary, 'coz the answer is kinda obvious.
Noorie
Not so obvious to many, Noorie. Mind spilling your mind out on this?
Venkat
Venkat Ji...
I have voted for any other and would like to say why. :-)
You said..Best...a combination of Success and Popular. so i am proposing for this albeit an unpretentious actor, who underplayed all along his career both off screen and on screen. RAJENDRA KUMAR..... :-)
Now, lets talk about success...i will quote from wikepedia.. :
" The 1960s saw Rajendra Kumar rise like no other star had risen, and there was a time when every film starring him was a silver jubilee hit. There were times when he had six or seven films running in their silver jubilee weeks at the same time. It was a success that was unbelievable and Rajendra Kumar was soon known as "Jubilee Kumar".
I dont think any of the above had this kind of run at box office.
Now..comes the popular part...believe me , he was a real girl's hero in those days...i got an aunt who still swoons over him. :-)
Strange..isnt it? He never looked like a chocolate boy..just was ruggedly handsome. May be something carried his persona off screen too?
and finally, No..am not a fan of any hero...just wanted to put a different light on this show...first time for me too ..talking about heroes...:-)
For me...Rajendra kumar is the most luckiest guy..as so many songs of RAFI were picturised on him..and honestly, that would have helped him immensely...:-)
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I have voted for any other and would like to say why. :-)
You said..Best...a combination of Success and Popular. so i am proposing for this albeit an unpretentious actor, who underplayed all along his career both off screen and on screen. RAJENDRA KUMAR..... :-)
Now, lets talk about success...i will quote from wikepedia.. :
" The 1960s saw Rajendra Kumar rise like no other star had risen, and there was a time when every film starring him was a silver jubilee hit. There were times when he had six or seven films running in their silver jubilee weeks at the same time. It was a success that was unbelievable and Rajendra Kumar was soon known as "Jubilee Kumar".
I dont think any of the above had this kind of run at box office.
Now..comes the popular part...believe me , he was a real girl's hero in those days...i got an aunt who still swoons over him. :-)
Strange..isnt it? He never looked like a chocolate boy..just was ruggedly handsome. May be something carried his persona off screen too?
and finally, No..am not a fan of any hero...just wanted to put a different light on this show...first time for me too ..talking about heroes...:-)
For me...Rajendra kumar is the most luckiest guy..as so many songs of RAFI were picturised on him..and honestly, that would have helped him immensely...:-)
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QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 23 2007, 02:09 PM)
QUOTE(noorie @ Aug 18 2007, 08:34 PM)
I didn't vote. I didn't think it necessary, 'coz the answer is kinda obvious.
Noorie
Not so obvious to many, Noorie. Mind spilling your mind out on this?
Venkat
Venkatji, of course it is obvious. I think you're just playing
He'll pick Dilip Kumar. Dilip Kumar has reached that status where EVERYONE is at least vaguely familiar with the name and knows he was a revered actor, even if the person has never seen a Dilip Kumar film. This definitely means something IMO (you have to be very good to reach this level despite so many years since retirement).
The downside is, IMO, before you crown him King, at least CONSIDER the others and then discard them after. India is a very big / great country - there is never shortage of talent. I'm not saying this to imply that there is another Dilip Kumar or Mohd Rafi (someone I'm more familiar / interested with) waiting there (Rafi comes once in a lifetime if you're lucky) but that there is talent to be wreckoned with and to be regarded.
QUOTE(ManishKumar @ Aug 22 2007, 10:07 PM)
Dharmendra.
Of the actors mentioned above, he had the greatest comic talent, was the best looking, and consistently produced hits from 1966 with Anupama to 1980 Ram Balram. That is a pretty long, successful, prolific, memorable, GREAT career.
Rajesh Khanna was great but he was part of the wave shared by him, Kishore, RDB, and the inevitable human inclination for change. Take out one of those three and the entire wave would have fallen. This wave naturally commanded (and was greatly helped by) hype from the India press. I guess him being single helped too. While the Indian press catered to the wave, Dharmendra was starring in quality movies one after another but the press whimsically did not give him enough credit sort of like the way they did with another great artist. We look back now, with the hype having long since withered, and give proper appreciation to these artists. Rajesh Khanna was great, don't get me wrong, but Dharmendra was superior IMO.
Raj Kapoor was a true legend. A brilliant showman, entrepeneur, & director. He is the one who gave SJ a break. As an actor - he was good but wouldn't match up to his ability in the other roles I mentioned. It's really tough to separate the actor with the showman but you must to be objective. Dharmendra was undoubtedly the more romantic hero, a much more credible action hero, and far superior in comedy. Overall, he doesn't match up to Raj Kapoor who had great impact on the industry, but in acting alone - Dharmendra was the better.
Amitabh Bachchan? Dharmendra was the leading man for Sholay & Chupke Chupke. Isn't Dharmendra the one who recommended Amitabh in 1975 to a reluctant Ramesh Sippy? Could Amitabh have filled Dharmendra's shoes in either of those movies? No way. No "leading man" could have better rendered the "Mausi Ji" scene from Sholay or played Dr Parimal Tripathi. Of course Amitabh is a great actor and sometimes could do scenes himself that Dharmendra could not do as well. This is true anytime you compare two great artists. But the exchange is not always even. It is hard to mentally imagine one artist in place of another but I do it from time to time. A big reason for Amitabh's popularity is that he set a new trend with the "angry man" personality.
I'll cut down to the biggest reason: I'm not a big fan of tragedy movies or movies with trite & predictable plots e.g. two friends love the same girl, two brothers on opposite sides of the law and the mother intervening, etc. The scene in Laawaris where Munshiji dies (played by Om Prakash) was so predictable and unnecessarily depressing. The final scene of Mukadar Ka Sikandar - so overdramati & overacted. I like Hindi movies but consider myself fair & balanced (but may have a lot more learning to do - although I have been exposed to Hindi songs for 17 years now and sporadic exposure to Hindi classic films - some were childhood favorites). On one end of the spectrum, there are guys who think Amitabh can do no wrong (him trying to be Gabbar will be a sickly, caricaturish blemish to his career) and all the movies of 1970s were thrillers and perfect. Then there are young Indians (and friends from South Asia, Middle East etc) in the US (and probably India too) who refuse to have anything with Hindi movies which are "overacted & overdramatic & predictable" in their own eyes. I fall in the middle.
I'll comment on Dilip Kumar later when I watch more of his movies. I've seen only Mughal E Azam (Ajit was a GREAT actor - one of my favorites), Gopi, Shakti, and a Sanjay Dutt movie. The scene where father kills son should have been censored right off and was there to get a move from the public - which it did. I'm not eager for Dilip right now because I'm not too big on tragedy and look for overall ability.
Shah Rukh Khan? Hahahahahaha! Don't make me laugh. I never discard an artist based soley on time. It JUST SO HAPPENS to be that Lata Mangeshkar is incomparably superior to today's singers or that the old Don is incomparably superior to the one in 2006. But I always give consideration before waiving someone off. Not everyone does that. People romanticize Madhubala and say no woman can match her, as if beautiful women were no longer born after 1969.
Certainly I have plenty to learn but I've seen enough of these actors including Raj Kapoor (except Dilip Kumar) to make a reasonable analysis. My opinion may not be shared by others but I do come from a different background (I get the best of both US & Indian culture and can pick and choose) and hey, disagreeing is more fun.
I kind favor Dharmendra my self, I really enjoyed him in the movies, he just had that Indian good looks. Anyway, good analysis, keep it up.
RKA
hi guys,
heres my choice...
1. DILIP KUMAR easily! (best actor ever)
2. AMITABH BACHCHAN (best superstar ever/most popular star ever)
3. RAJESH KHANNA (best romantic hereo/best family drama actor)
just my personal opinon!
take care.
Bash.
I would say it would be a three way tie, Raj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar, Amithab.
so far i see Dilip Kumar and King khan equal 
........no wonder why khan claims that he's 2 award short from Dilip Kumar.... 
reference: look at the Trivia banner in KBC official website
http://kbclive.indya.com/
........no wonder why khan claims that he's 2 award short from Dilip Kumar.... reference: look at the Trivia banner in KBC official website
http://kbclive.indya.com/
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