What's good for the gander is also good for the goose.

If one conspiracy is justifiable, why not the other?

Just that the conspiracy against our HF members is an established fact. The other is purely speculative.

Dear Administrators,

This is a KS thread. We are not going to any other thread to express ourselves. But here also, we are under pressure. We are the ones who are being warned and cautioned. We are ones whose remarks are noted down in your diary. Why? Do you really call this an impartial attitude?

I have never wrote a single line before in this forum , accept as my duty of an ADMIN. Today is the first time I would like to post something as just a normal another user of HF.

Some positive suggestions :-

File online petitions , written petitions, if you want leads , I can provide you all with this kind of legal informations.

Collect as many signatures you guys could , online as well as offline.

If you guys have enough evidence against any conspiracies, file a complaint. It has to be done under same juridiction as where this is all taking place for example Mumbai or Calcutta.

Contact Media i.e. Newspaper , TV , etc. to spread messages across all the other fans and music lovers.

Believe me sitting here and throwing dirt at other members or singers or accussing by just few weblinks and fwds , etc you guys won't reach anywhere , instead will create a strong lobby who would start hating fans of KS and I am worried that this kind of fights and debates actually might harm KS 's career. So indirectly or unknowingly you guys might be harming KS rather than helping him out.

Dear Administrators,

When a foreign country attacks our own country and we arrange a meeting to counter the attacks, do you call this a conspiracy against the attackers?

Dear Baward Joy,

Thanks for your suggestions. Your points are noted.

But as I have already mentioned, we are here to make our voices heard. We know that bollywood music personalities visit these music forums. We want to communicate to them that we are being deprived of KS songs. Thats all.

WE DONT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST ANY FELLOW MEMBER. WHATEVER DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE DONE AMONG OURSELVES IS TO PROTECT OURSELVES. THIS CAN NOT BE TERMED AS CONSPIRACY. YOU CAN NOT COMPARE THIS WITH THE CONSPIRACIES AGAINST KUMAR SANU.

I personally have gone out of my way to intercede with senior members of HF on behalf of KS fans.

I had made it a point to welcome KS fans and praise their participation.

Earlier posts bear evidence to that.

But when a conspiracy is hatched against my fellow-members in HF, I will also be the first to stand up for them, Admin or not!

[quote=babhrubaahan,Sep 16 2004, 09:29 PM]

Dear KCP, it was you who gave me Jatin's mobile number and through Jatin, I contacted KS and came to know about the whole story regarding controversy. I am really thankful to you. So, I have a request to you. Please help us in expressing our views. If you love bollywood music, you should also feel sad for KS.

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Hi
Yes I do feel sad for him...I have great respect for Kumar Sanu....or else i wouldnt have gone today morning and introduced myself to him ( in Arif Castle Hotel in which he was staying...he has a show today in Dubai along with Kunal Gunjawala and Vasundhara Das )...i found him to be a good man..he shaked my hand very heartily and spoke with me for a while...a nice man i must say ( will post my photo with him, later )

Please continue with the talk on the person who undeniably RULED Hindi film Music for at least some period of time...I am reading every post because i really like some of his songs..

Dear Mr. Unni,

Thanks if you really had supported us.

But once again let me ask you. If a foreign country attacks your acountry and you arrange a meeting among yourselves to counter the attack, DO YOU CALL IT A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE ATTACKERS?

Here, we the KS lovers have been attacked by some non-KS-lovers. We needed to discuss among ourselves to counter them. THEN WHERE IS THE CONSPIRACY? How do you compare this with the conspiracies against KS?

This cannot be termed a conspiracy? Would you like to have it put to vote?:

<1) Some KS fans should go who would behave like blind supporter. This is to prove that KS has great fan following.
2) Other KS fans should go there and pretend that he/she like KS and some current singer so that he/she can argue with fans like MrLoomba and Suhana Safar without being branded as blind KS fans. This way the Suhana's will be bombered with two types of fans and dissaper.
3) Then Swapan would need another type of KS fans who should go there and pretend he/she likes Kishore/Rafi and he/she likes Kumar Sanu too in the current generation. This way it will be easier to justify why KS is a legend.>

<I have expressed my views in Hamara Forums. You can see it by clicking the link. One request to you. Never express in any forum that KS told us about Smita Thackeray. Because it may cause more harm to KS. Just mention that we came to know about this through our investigations. And KCP in Hamara Forums is nobody but Kaustubh Pingle who gave me Jatin's mobile number. So, never use any harsh language against him, please!>

Thanks KCP for your response. I know that you are a nice gentleman. So, thanks a lot for your concern.

I am really happy that you could meet KS. Congratulations!

Don't challenge ADMIN or call us Partial. I had filtered everyone post in the past not even looking at userid or who had posted it. Some of the old members as well new where also put on moderation for good few days , that was the reason why you all didn't see their postings here. Don't forget you guys are here as newbie , you all came with a reason , a cause to fight for. Your attitude should be first making friends with all other members here , winning their confidence , their support rather than creating different groups of lobbying or creating a hatred that never existed in first place.

Dont Forget....Its just because of our impartial attitude , this thread still exists here, even after getting lots of complains from other members.

Dear Unni,

This is not conspiracy. In one message, we have tried to fix up our strategies to counterattack the attacks on us. In the other message, we have tried to take the responsibility of all the allegations on Smita Thackeray in stead of KS. Because we want that our KS does not suffer anymore because of his comments on Smita.

Dear Mr. Bawara Jay,

I have respect for you. We want to fight for our cause. But while doing that if we are attacked, cant we have an instinct to counterattack? We are also human beings, not Gods. We can not tolerate any bad remarks on KS.

WOW,
thats really awesome, you lucky guy
yes, it is true that kumar sanu is a person with a very modest background, and he is very innocent at heart, although he goes out of his way to potray himself as something else.
a few of our fans have also talked to them, and he is very polite and welcoming.
if you had watched the show 'jeena isi ka naam hai' you would get a nice insight into kumar sanu's persona.
he has struggled to make it big in bollywood, and his story is a fitting example of rags to riches, enough to inspire any budding singer.unfortunately he is not very crafty/shrewd, and is finding it hard to survive in the corrupt atmosphere of bollywood.
anyway, as amit said, he is a legend in his own right, and noone can take that away from him.
in the song from PTKYA, the antara is

duniya saare zamane lele
daulat lele khazane lele
loot sake na humse zamana
hum ko ek pal aisa dede

kumar sanu has had his moments of greatness, and noone can take that away from him, or from the hearts of kumar sanu fans

i must admit you certainly sound very welcoming and friendly on that post

what do you think about members like suhana safar, a member of admin was sharing poems with him a few posts ago, just a few mails after he had slung personal attacks at me, my wife and my profession

what do you think about the fact that he had also sent me a PM with the choiciest of abuses for KS?, do you still want to share poems with him?

Dear Mr. Bawara Joy,

As regards making friends, initially we did not try to make lobbies. You can read my very first message in this thread. There was no hint of bad remarks towrads other singers and non-KS-lovers. But in this KS thread, non-KS-lovers started coming and bashing us like anything. Then, we also did some bad things. I repeatedly say sorry for that. My initial attempt was to make friends only. Just read my first message in this thread.

Remember Arjun's words about hitting Ur goal. If Ur cause was KS's upliftment Suhana Safar's or anyone else's remarks should not have mattered to U. U did not need to doctor evidence and lobby for KS and attempt to 'break' people out here. Guile for whatever cause and in whatever form can only be guile.
Please refrain from accusing the senior members and admins of being biased or partial. U all have been given a very long rope but U seem bent on cutting it.

That's precisely the problem: construing that the members of HF constitute a "foreign country". As Talaikya-ji pointed out, we constitute "US", not "we" and "them".

I regarded it as a sheer delight to have several KS fans participating in our forum. Sure, some of our members may not have the same feelings about the singer as other devout fans. Yet nobody is going about "attacking" any artiste. Members have been expressing their own opinions, period.

Sorry, guys. But your "battle strategy" (which I've quoted twice already) has had the opposite effect by alienating our members from your cause.

For once, I'll be harsh, because I feel hurt by what has been perpetrated. If you hatch a plot in another forum and impose it upon us in HF, the results will not be pleasant. Believe me.

Here, in HF, we discuss and often disagree, but we don't ever, ever use supterfuge to advance our arguments.

From: "jurm_jkb" <jurm_jkb@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: Dear Jurm

DEAR UNNI,ANURAG,BAWRA JAY ETC
above is the heading of the 'conspiracy' letter
it was posted this evening
on the other hand the first letter of this thread has the following heading

'babhrubaahan Aug 24 2004, 05:58 PM'

the difference is more than 3 weeks, it is unreasonable to say that we hatched a plot and then attacked you. the letter in contention is just a suggestion made today, and believe me, noone is taking it seriously

so i suggest you folks also shouldn't get played up about it...cool down!!!

kya matlab kcp saaf saaf bol re

Mere quote kiya hua post ( tumhara ) phir padho....apne aap samajh jaaoge

tumhare hisaab se to KK refused to sang tarana
because:"main kahin gaane mein athwa sur na daal doon",
hai ki nahin. Remember your quote in earlier KK forum
"Pag ghunghroo bandh Meera nachi thi."

Nahi...that was not my hisaab !!!! hahahahaha I was just kidding in that post...Read that post again ( AGAIN please )

aur too ek line likh ya do, mujhe kuchh fark nahin padta.
main Nerurkar, Bose, Valicha ki kitaab vagaraih mein kam believe karta
hoon.

Nerurkars book has nothing to do with belief..its an anthology with some interviews....( Vishwas has them in digital audio format too )...so there is nothing as believing in the book...its 100% KK product...a bible for every fan.

I have my own collection of cuttings from magazines and
newspapers.

Locked In your cupboard ?? thats real real sad

aur mujhe fan no. 1 nahin banna re. Tu hi ban

Ye No 1 gaya tel lene yaar...my existance is to enjoy Kishore...It takes one to know one yaar..chhodo ye discussion...let us discuss KS and some of his articles/cuttings that you might have ??

[quote=kurtcobain,Sep 17 2004, 01:19 PM]
[quote]

what do you think about members like suhana safar, a member of admin was sharing poems with him a few posts ago, just a few mails after he had slung personal attacks at me, my wife and my profession

what do you think about the fact that he had also sent me a PM with the choiciest of abuses for KS?, do you still want to share poems with him?

[/quote]


KC:

If you would kindly refer back to that post of mine, it was addressed to more than one person. The lyrics I quoted were intended to douse the fire, not stoke it. I believe I had succeeded, because at least one responded with a poem in kind, and gracefully offered to oblige my request, hopefully stepping away from the fray.

I regret and apologize for any disturbing PM that was sent to you. Our discussions here have nothing to do with personal lives and professions, and any imputation upon them is uncalled for and inappropriate.

Dear Mr. Unni,

Let me once again mention that we did not create lobbies. It was not we who started the various groups. But unfortunately whoever expressed his/her views in favour of KS, was attacked. Then the KS lovers can not accept them as friends anymore, right? And this is how, the groups are created. Yes, initially, we were all one. But if a particular section of people is attacked by the other sections, then comes the question of WE and THEY.

Dear Ms. Priya,

As regards seniors and Juniors, do you bring in the concept of colleges and institutes where the juniors have to call the seniors Dadas and Didis and have to obey their orders? Do you ask us to show respect to the seniors just like in colleges and universities? Dont you create groups this way? Namely, groups of seniors and groups of juniors? If we dont do that (dont show respect to the seniors), what the seniors will do? Will they rag us? Do you know if a ragger is reported to the respective head of the institute, what happens to him/her?

If you bring in the concept seniors and juniors, how can we become friends?

[quote=unni,Sep 17 2004, 11:07 PM]
[quote=kurtcobain,Sep 17 2004, 01:19 PM]
[quote]

what do you think about members like suhana safar, a member of admin was sharing poems with him a few posts ago, just a few mails after he had slung personal attacks at me, my wife and my profession

what do you think about the fact that he had also sent me a PM with the choiciest of abuses for KS?, do you still want to share poems with him?

[/quote]


KC:

If you would kindly refer back to that post of mine, it was addressed to more than one person. The lyrics I quoted were intended to douse the fire, not stoke it. I believe I had succeeded, because at least one responded with a poem in kind, and gracefully offered to oblige my request, hopefully stepping away from the fray.

I regret and apologize for any disturbing PM that was sent to you. Our discussions here have nothing to do with personal lives and professions, and any imputation upon them is uncalled for and inappropriate.



[/quote]

Dear Mr. Unni,

As per your request, I edited my post and removed the word Idiot. But Mr. Suhana Safar did not do that. He did not revise his post. Could you see that?

First of all I request all senior and older members of HF to refrains from making any posting or comments not related directly to KS. Than I also request all new members and KS fans to follow the same.

Second everyone has right to post his or her views about their likes or dislikes for a singer or an artist. Don't take his or her views personally and start bashing or fighting like kids.

Third and very most important , one more post here with dirt in it and this forum goes under moderation. Those who does not wants this thread should not put dirt here to get this thread closed, I wont tolerate that either.

[quote=babhrubaahan,Sep 17 2004, 01:48 PM]
[quote=unni,Sep 17 2004, 11:07 PM]
[quote=kurtcobain,Sep 17 2004, 01:19 PM]
[quote]

what do you think about members like suhana safar, a member of admin was sharing poems with him a few posts ago, just a few mails after he had slung personal attacks at me, my wife and my profession

what do you think about the fact that he had also sent me a PM with the choiciest of abuses for KS?, do you still want to share poems with him?

[/quote]


KC:

If you would kindly refer back to that post of mine, it was addressed to more than one person. The lyrics I quoted were intended to douse the fire, not stoke it. I believe I had succeeded, because at least one responded with a poem in kind, and gracefully offered to oblige my request, hopefully stepping away from the fray.

I regret and apologize for any disturbing PM that was sent to you. Our discussions here have nothing to do with personal lives and professions, and any imputation upon them is uncalled for and inappropriate.



[/quote]

Dear Mr. Unni,

As per your request, I edited my post and removed the word Idiot. But Mr. Suhana Safar did not do that. He did not revise his post. Could you see that?

[/quote]

No, I had not revisited both the earlier posts. My sincere thanks to you for your graceful gesture. It is sincerely appreciated.

Now let's wait for SS to respond in similar manner.

Dear Mr. Unni,

Thanks for your appreciation. I had done it long before getting involved in arguments with you.

Dear Mr. Bawara Jay,

Please note this point. We are not in colleges and universities. Please dont create any division like seniors and juniors if you really really want us to be friends.

This is a KS thread. So, how could we refrain from discussing things which are directly linked to KS? Please clarify yourself.

Finally, people may have various choices. But it hurts when one makes comments like "Sanu is a Kishore clone only" or "Sanu's voice is irritatingly nasal" etc. These kind of comments are termed as bashing Kumar Sanu. If you really want to maintain peace and harmony in this thread, please take steps whenever you find similar comments on Kumar Sanu. Hope you will take note of this.

I was only referring to the common respect given to those older or more knowlegable than one and do not forget that we get to enjoy this forum because of the efforts of the admin and those who support the forum. Let us stop this juvenile volleying.

Dear Ms. Priya,

Hope you dont think that the old members are more knowledgeable than the new ones. I know many of the new members who are very very knowledgeable.

Lets rename this thread - KC vs SS (Just kidding:-)! IMO, this discussion/argument is going nowhere....Non KS fans should just stay away from this thread! Then, this thread will go away IF there is NO activity/posting! Right? Then it will be up to Sanu's fans to keep it alive! That's the reason, i asked how many Sanu fans on this forum.

i would like to applaud this message

i hope all members will heed the warning (including 'senior' and 'highly knowledgable' members )

I am not writing all this as ADMIN , this are my personal views and thoughts , just as all other HF members



Senior in terms of knowing how things works here, they have been visiting HF more than years now, they are even seniors to me and have always contributed to more than what I could ever. When I myself repect their knowledge in certain areas and consider them senior to me , what wrong in calling them seniors. I am not talking about age , I am talking about experiences in dealing with such kind of controversies and how to stay calm in certain situations.


Dont talk about your wives , your familes , stop calling other people idiots, stop giving reason that because he said this I had to write this. By all means this forums gives you freedom of expressing what you think. If a poster is expressing his views about likes or dislikes on certain things , its only his views like how you have your own views on certain thing. Don't get personal here , any arguements or views , make it assertive with appropiate reasoning , articles , documents, etc rather than Just because I dont agree you are a blah blah kind of comments.


This is a public forum , everyone has their say here. Is this how you react under pressure or situation in real life as well. If you crossing a road and hear someone talking bad about KS , do you turn back and start holding his collar and start beating him up just because you didnt like what they two where talking about ? Nahi naa ? So please ignore such comments, be postive to lead a positive thoughts. By fighting with verbal abuse won't take you anywhere or prove that you are the biggest fan of a particular artist.


Why you guys feeling so insecure about his capacity or his career ? I myself have been listening to KS , maybe longer than you guys could even think of. Right from the begining where he got his first FF award for Kali Kali Ankhien till the new release of Shukriya movie with 2 of KS songs Dil Ai Dil and the duet Maine Pucha Kudrat se...and have also bought Tera Mera Pyar album recently.... (BTW true fans would never share his fav artist MP3 on his own fan club website , especially when the artist is alive and getting royalties for every piece of record that gets sold in market). Though I am not a biggest fan of any one or hates any singer at all I go for music that my ears like. If its Sonu , or Udit Or KS ..... if I like any particular song by them , it goes into my FAVS , and if I dont like it , I trash it...just like I had to trash Din Mei Leti hai...Raat mein Leti hai..... by KS....

Anyways I hope as a friend you all will understand what I am trying to say, talk good about whom you like , once again this is a public forum and everyone has a right to say his or her views.

on a slightly different note

my recording of 'yeh chand sa roshan chehra' has been downloaded by 18 members, but till now i have only recieved one comment

kindly post comments/advice/criticism/encouragement on the 'andaz-e-rafi' thread
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?show...5&st=5&p=32600&

i would also like to share one more recording with you (this is without music, so that you can appreciate my voice better)

This thread is way too entertaining. KCP, aside, my compliments to all who have posted here!!

Especially Suhanna Bhai! I saved his responses I need to search for "Jumari Taliyya (Something like that?) University" on the net I may get Post graduate degree from that university After i get the degree, i will out sur Rafi Saab Yeh, right.......Rafi Saab was/is the greatest Happy Suhanna Bhai????

Someone who is following the discussion here sent me this. Apparently a good looking gal at mouthshut wrote this. Wickedly funny! Enjoy and if you disagree to the point that your verbal diarrhea threatens to overcome your senses, please feel free to take up your cause with her.

http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/52740-1.html


sarphat raha hai ? naak bhi band ? By : lavagopal

Ten Worst Songs of Kumar Sanu

Mar-23-04 3:47 AM


1.Ashiqui - Dheere Dheere se meri zindagi mein aana
When I first heard this one : Dheere Dheere se meri zindagi mein aana
I just went numb.
cos I had just heard the most thick voice in the world that went

’’ main phoolonse kaliyon se taaaron se.. teri manngg
bhaardunnnngaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa’’

For a second, I thought Kishore kumar had come back to life with sever cold or that Amit Kumar did some throat surgery and made his voice more manly.
Later I came to know that this was my first experience with Saanu and that in the years to come I shall have a few more surprises.

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2. Meera ka Mohan -(jab jab tujhko dekhu, yeh ankhen juk jaati hai)
The worst is yet to come. hold on !
when I got the cassette ’’Meera ka Mohan’’ (another holy gift from T series), all hell broke loose when I heard the funny song sung by Saanu (picturized on Ashok Saraf and some ’’village belle ) go :

’’ hoy....Jab Jab tujhko dekhu, dil mastana hongaya.,
tere in aankhon mein dil deewaana hongaya..
ohh lele mujhe bahon men.. padaahun teri raahon mein ...
Loila !!! ’’

When I listend to the comedy track a few times, I realized that Saanu is not able to say ’’Hai Hai ’’ so he sings ’’hoy hoy’’. This song is quite comical and has Kumar at his nasal worst and bongla best.. . lol !

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3. Daalal - (Na unees se kam hun, naa ikkis se jayada)
Believe it or not, I used to be a big Mithun fan so I got this cassette and Kumar was again going bonkers here :

’’Na unees se kam hun, naa ikkis se jayada ’’

A song which should have had a teenage voice unfortunately had Shaanu sounding like a middle aged fat, bald man and Mithun dancing to it.

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4.Dil hai ki manta nahi (title song)
This song is a perfectly good song with some good music but our Saanu made a mess of it . I have no words here to describe this one. I think I have a writers block here kindly adjust.


5.Hum tumhare hain sanam -(Gale mein laal taayee)
you still here ? thanks for the patience, moving on

Saanu :gaale mein laal taayee, taaakiya ek aur homdo
saaardee kaise jaayegi !!!
hoy tujhe gaale se lagaa loongaaaaaaaaaaa
hoton se cofeee peeeeelaadooongaaaaaaa
somjheeeeeeeeeeeee ????

in between the stanzas :
hoy yeh dushmaan khotmmal ko pyaar hai toomse,
usse takagodi sazaaa doongaaaaaaaaaaaaa

this song is really song, bad music, silly lyrics and Nasal Saanu ’’nasaling’’ and ’’banglo-ing’’ to the hilt.

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6.Raja Babu-(sarkaailo khaitya jaada lage)
No no , this is not in continuation with song 5 about cold winters and insufficient bedding, pillows or rugs. This is another specimen from a totally different era.

Kumar Saanu : hoy, sarkaailo takiya, jaaada loge,
sui chubhe, koi sholaa badke, maane na jeeya, moree
something something

Yes, its no better than the rest. Kumar Saanu magic continues dont go ...........

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7. Sadak (-tak dhin dhin tak, tak dhin dhin tak).

Anuradha : tak dhin dhin tak, tak dhin dhin tak
cheeene (jeene) ki tamana jaaguttti
iss dilmein kayamat ke din tak

Saanu : tok dhin dhin tok, tok dhin dhin tok
aisaau , mausam to aayaa na pehle
jeene ki tamonna jaag utti,
iss dilmein kayamat ke din tak

btw, this song though bad, made Saanu look better as there was a more nasalic singer with severe congestion and ’’naak band, kaan band, aur gala band’’ syndrome called Babla Mehta i.e voice for Deepak (Tapori) Tijori. But that is out of topic for now, we will deal with him later.

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8. Hum aapke hain kaun- (samdhi -samdhan).

purrrfect voice to our most sought after Sugar dad of MS i.e Alok nath (though I do have a softcorner for him) lol

Saanu : kaaano ki baaaliyaa, chaand suraj logeeeeeee
yeh baanaras ki saadi khub sojeeee
haaaaaaaaann !!!!! raas ki baat bataaye
somdhiji gaayal hain ....
aaj bhi samdhan ki khanakti paayal hai.

I wont say much on this one - the song speaks for itself.

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9. Raju bangaya gentleman (Dil hai mera dewana).
I wont forgive Saanu and Jatin/Lalit for this one.

Such a cheap imitation of ’’aaye lo pyaar ke din aaye’’ a Pancham da gem (from the movie Khel Khel mein ) which had kishore singing at the end of every stanza : ehheyyy !! ehheyy !!! ehheyyy

Saanu tries the same here :
hey, dil hoy, merra dewaaana
yarron mai to chalaaaaa
aee doston olvidaaaaa
ehoyyyyy !! ehoyyyyy !!! ehoyyyyy !!!
help !

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10. Dulhan hum lejayenge (haina bolo).
this is the final blow.......

hote hote hogayaaaaaaaaaaa ???
hainaaaaaa boloooooooooooo !!!
heyeyeyeyeye hoohooh !!!

The song itself is pretty silly 1 minute song without any purpose. Its there in the movie just to let everyone right from Saanu to Alka to the extras to scream this one line :
hainaaaaaa boloooooooooooo

Saanu here outstages all expectations in nose blockage and goes hoynaaa bollo so pathetically that you feel like giving him your hanky and asking him to blow his nose once and for all.

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my review ends here.

Note:The topic is about 10 worst songs of Kumar Saanu so I cant be really supportive of him nor praise him. I have tried my best to bring out his worst tunes.
I do agree that hes not all that bad and that there have been highly popular and memorable songs sung by him.


adios

Dear Mr. Bawara Jay,

Thanks for your explanations. Yes, we can ignore comments made by KS haters. But this way, you can not avoid yur responsibility. Would you do one thing? Just like the way you caution the KS lovers for making bad remarks, would you also caution the KS haters? One group will say whatever they like just because they are "seniors", "having more knowledge", "having experience to handle tensed situations" etc. blah blah blah... and the other group will have to measure each and every step just because they are "juniors", "less knowledgeable" and "having less experience to handle crunch situations"? Where is the justice then? When Suhana Safar wrote a notoriously bad message against Kurtcobain, there was no warning for him. When I protested and used an "abusive" word, then only both of us were cautioned. Where is the justice? Why do you have to wait for KS lovers to protest first? If you are really impartial, you should have warned Suhana Safar immediately after he posted his message. Suhana Safar will have to apologise to Kurtcobain in this public forum for his message. I request you to make him do that. Just apologising to KC on behalf of SS will not do.

Btw, KS got his first Filmfare for Ashiqui, not for Baazigar. I have been listening to KS even before he went to Mumbai. I am in mid 30s. I know how he dominated the 90s. So, it pains me when I find that his songs are deleted from films which he recorded spending his valuable time and energy.

(actually I didn't even find it that funny... but u know, it had to be done)

Dear Administrators,

Look at the post no. 236 in this thread. If you are really really impartial, this is the time to prove it. This is the thread to discuss about the conspiracies against Kumar Sanu. Not to discuss about the worst songs of Kumar Sanu just to create a bad feeling among the KS lovers minds. Is this not enmity? How can we call such a person our friend who is here just to degrade Sanu? Yes, I understand that this list is prepared by someone else in some other website. But where is the relevance with the current topic? Yes, the person who posted this message has much more experience than me as he has so far posted hundreds of messages, I have not yet crossed 40. So, does this mean that he should get away?

Sure, there is a lot of relevance.

I have never seen a "10 worst songs sung by KK or Rafi or Udit Narayan" list in my life time. This is the first of its kind I have ever seen.

Might it just not point to the obvious fact that has astonishingly deluded his die-hard fans that he really IS a bad singer more often than others are and there really may not be a conspiracy behind his declining status in HFM chronicle.



One can not claim my friendship by trashing other singers and hatching conspiracy in order to win support, so please stay at the topic of discussing KS's meritocracy. Thank you.

to all ADMINISTRATORS,

anurag should be banned from this forum(at least this thread) for this very provocative post



all i can say to him is

'anurag, i thought that you were a decent guy, but i have now realised that you are the sickest of the lot, shame on you, you are a disgrace to all music lovers'

Dear Anurag,

I dont understand what is the problem with you. Well, I accept that in your great life, you did not see any other list of worst songs. But does this mean that one has to support conspiracies against Kumar Sanu? Just because some odd person out of her craziness created some disgusting list? I really dont see any relevance.
This list includes one song from Aashiqui and one song from DHKMN which are highly acclaimed albums. Any music lover would reject this list.

Regarding bashing other singers, KS lovers did not start it. I have seen Rafi fans who are die hard Kishore-haters and also Kishore-fans who are die hard Rafi-haters. They also leave no stone unturned to prepare worst song lists of Kishore and Rafi respectively. But since both Rafi and Kishore are dead, they have got the legends status. So, in spite of bashing Rafi and Kishore also, people ultimately agree that they were legends. Our Kumar Sanu is still alive and so people dont recognise him. After all, In India, people get recognition when they are too old or when they are dead. Kishore also got his recognition very very late.

Dear Kurtcobain,

Today I have spent almost whole day in this forum because I did not have much work today. But I feel tired now. I think I wasted my day here. I feel that only the KS lovers are being warned whenever they commit slightest of mistakes. Others easily get away. I dont know what is the crime of being a KS lover. I know that you have been spending your days in this forum. So, you must be even more tired now. You have observed things over longer period of time. Do you think we should continue here anymore if there is no justice?

Dude, so far I have not made a single despiteful remark on you or even KS -- in fact, I even praised your song once saying that for an amateur singer, that was good to hear --my words of encouragement for you to sing more and further.

But now, you guys have crossed all the boundary of decency now. So, I'll talk in first person.

My posts have been so far backed up with assertions that none of you could ever deny. The cardinal rule of a debate is to first check one's premises and then present a theory substantiated with arguements and evidences. Your premises were illfounded and your arguements based on faulty reasoning as time and again Princeali, mudit and many others showed you but instead of having a debate, you guys kept making it a personal issue and started to label anyone who was presenting an arguement, as KS basher or hater.

However seeing this latest scoop of dirt hurled in my direction, I can say that someone who starts getting irritated listening to rafi's voice for too long a stretch, and to whom classical composition doesnt sound 'classical', because the voice is not shrill and clear, and who thinks that qualities of rafi's voice can be best attributed as high pitched voice with jerks, does not understand music a bit.

Any member who is posting any comments in this thread or in any other thread on HF are trying to portray their views across. I do not think they are purposely trying to harm KS or any of his fans in any way. Just because members do not agree with KS being a legend or are not a fan of his singing does not mean they are bashing him or doing any injustice to him. It is all a matter of opinion and this forum is a place where we can all share our views and opinions and participate in interesting discussions. Some KS fans make it seem as if all people participating in this forum should agree to things said in favour of KS and support the conspiracy theory against him, and if we don't then they try and make a person feel guilty by saying they are not "true music lovers" or what not. As Talaikya ji said, it is not going to make a difference wether anyone agrees with the conspiracy or someone makes a member agree with the conspiracy, at the end of the day it is not going to change anything, so why the big fuss about getting everyone to agree to it, and if they don't then they are labelled as non-music lovers or KS bashers etc, or that they have no heart etc., it is all a joke in the end.

Another aspect which is annoying is that if someone does not admit KS is a legend then they don't know anything about music. Who gave anyone the right to question a person's musical knowledge ?. In fact what I think is that someone who blindly posts that statement or statements related to that, themselves do not know alot about music or else they would not be posting such ridiculous comments. It is really sad to see that a place where we are supposed to be discussing about music and KS has turned into a battle of personal attacks and sides. It is also sad to see what Anurag bhai found out in that other webpage he visited. If you are a fan of a singer then you should not be going into a discussion page, and try bringing in politics associated with your fav. singer and getting people to agree to it. This forum is for discussion and an exchange of views/opinions and to find out knowledge about different aspects of music, in no way is it to involve everyone in a conspiracy/politics or to have any conspiracy against certain members of HF. I feel sorry for whoever wrote that statement on the other site aimed at certain members of this forum in order to promote KS.

One should note that all bad things that happen are not always the result of a conspiracy. As one member pointed out, just because KS is not getting songs these days does not necessarily mean people are trying to get him out of the industry. Maybe he is not getting songs because music directors or producers do not want to use him or maybe MD's want to use other talent. No one exactly can pinpoint the reason and find out why. So in that case, it is better for the KS fans to enjoy whatever they have of their fav singer and not try to pursuade others in this forum that injustice is being done. There is a difference between talking about it and talking+persuading other members about it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if one tries to convince the other, and that too with personal attacks, that is just crossing the line. If you want someone to agree with your views, then just state them and it is up to the other person to decide wether they agree or not.

I personally feel there is other talent out there and they should also be used instead of just a few singers. I do not know how KS received a good amount of songs in the last decade when there were other exceptionally talented people being left out, I guess more due to the producers and the MD's who KS must have been a fav. with because look at the situation now, it is a reversal and he is not receiving alot of songs, maybe because his time is up.

Anyways, there is no singer today who can carry the industry on their shoulders. If one singer is here today, another singer is there tommorow. The only singer who carried the industry was Rafi saab and after he passed away the industry collapsed and hasn't recovered since. The eighties were mediocre to say the least and though melody was somewhat revived in the nineties, the general state of music is still in a hole which is why you will see that old music albums are still outselling the newer songs and old songs of the golden era are mostly being played on the radio and tv shows whereas newer songs fade about a few months after their release unless ofcourse they have that extra something to sustain it.

Rafi saab's talent will never come again and comparing anyone to him or putting them in the same category with him is impossible and quite frankly a joke because no singer has been able to create such a demand and such a lasting impression as Rafi saab has and this is not only noted from his fans but from the industry as well. If you ask the majority of artists in the country, they will tell you Rafi saab is the ultimate and an institution. By writing that I mean comparisons are unnecessary but talking about your fav singer like KS fans do here is fine. If KS fans want to compare him to other singers, then it is their wish but IMO it should stick to current singers and not anyone from the past because comparisons of that nature will go no where. If anyone wants to talk about KS here, it is appreciated and it is perfectly okay as long as it is in good nature. All anybody was doing in this forum from before was giving out their opinions and it turned into a "war" ground instead of staying a discussion forum. Anyone can go to MAS, BBM or any other place and write down their views in favour or against that particular singer, it does not mean they are bashing that singer or degrading them so why is it being treated as the reverse here ?.

A good friend of my family's is a manager at the HMV head office in India and knows about other companies as well, and he mentioned to me a few months ago that almost every year Rafi saab has been the top seller at HMV and has been one of the top sellers at other companies as well, selling more than any singer old or new. All major music companies such as HMV, Polydor etc at that time lost out on major money when Rafi saab passed away but they have regained that all back and more as a result of his music still selling. With the way these sales are going, It is as if he is alive today. Now IMO that is what you call a true "legend", the ability to still create magic even 24 years after he has passed away and it shows why more people today are yearning for the music of the past because it was simply amazing quality.

The word "legend" that has been applied to KS or used in this thread has only been backed by personal opinions and no solid ground. His fans may think he is one and that is fine, but it is not a widely accepted opinion and once again it is wrong for some KS fans to try and make people accept that he is one. IMO I do not think he is one because his singing skills have not proved anything to me that he can carry that status, and popularity does not always mean legendary status, but if to his fans he is because they like him, then so be it, after all everyone has their own fav. singers and no one has the right to say anything about anyone's personal opinions.

This is a KS forum so let the KS fans discuss about their favourite singer as much as they want. Anyone can add to it if they want but not in a bad way. If anyone doesn't agree with anything that is being written than they can voice their views, after all this is a discussion page. It also works the other way too that KS fans should not take any views by anyone in a bad way. It is just a matter of opinion.
There is no room for personal attacks or any other bad comments on this forum against one another. Any such comments will be handled effectively by the Admin and we should all be respecting the Admin because after all they are the ones who are running the state of affairs.

Let me end off by quoting the divine diva Lata Mangeshkar :

"Music was orphaned the day Rafi saab passed away"

I could not have said it better myself

Cheers

Ali

Kurtcobain one was only warned where other was put under moderation...meaning he could not post any msgs here without ADMIN approval ? If you guys dont trust ADMINS of this Forums , may I ask why you even here ?

Listen man , I think I have never given so much explanations to anyone before here. Once said and people would list and accept ADMINS decisions , wrong or bad whatever....

Brought a tear into my eye that did!!

Bless u Ali

U did wot?? Oh he is so not gonna be happy... God help u!

Dear ADMINS ,

I hate to see this TOPIC or THREAD go away from here , when it has spanned more than 50 pages , 245 postings and 6697 veiwing.

I apologize for insisting earlier to re-open this thread when we had already decided to close it down.

I am closing this thread , till you all make a final decision , to keep this atleast viewable or totally delete this thread and all postings under it.

I dont want to disappoint the KS fans and hate to see this wonderful discussion going away but I tried whole day today to control the situation over here but it seems no one would listen to me and started arguing and challenging us.

In the meantime no one should start any thread on such topics and if any of the ADMIN sees it , should remove it right away.

Thanks,
Jay

If you find anything of that sort, simply click on report and bring it to our notice. If you report anything, it is our duty to look into it and find a solution. But instead, if you guys fight against each other with cheap words, dragging even legendary singers such as Rafi, Kishore etc., and then go ahead and do "Match the following" etc., how do you think the over all forum enviornment will turn to? You guys have embarked upon a very complex task of taking upon yourself the responsibility of bringing Kumar Sanu back to #1 playback singer. You will need much more patience and future vision to do that. Be humble. Humility always wins!


If talks can solve it.....?

What hurts most is that KS fans used the legendary singer's names to get your purpose across. What made you guys think that you are not welcome if you are not a fan of legendary singers? Agreed that the purpose of HF is to give a stage for fans of legends and discuss and share information about these immortal personalities. But in no way HF is limited only to these fans. Everyone is welcome to HF - it is Hamara Forums (Our Forums), Ham Sab Ka forums and not Mera, Tera yaa Unka Forums.

If you've all would have come straight and asked for the support, that would have sounded more "fan-ly" than "cheating" your way in. As a fan of Rafi Sahab, I respect the concern of KS fans and they getting workedup bcoz of some politics against KS. But I do not approve of the techniques you guys are using to get your purpose across. You guys will end up only further maligning KS's reputation.

About politics in the Industry there is nothing new about it. It has been played earlier, it still exists and its gonna be in future also. You guys can read so much about these on HF and on our old forums.

I agree with Unni, when he says

I still can't understand Why?
Is this all because HF welcomes everybody's views? Is it because the membership is open to all? There are so many members who have created different IDs and are using the forum, not once did HF rule out their names publicly. If these kind of backstabing acts gets on, then there is no option but to close down new membership and make the forums available only to trusted members. HF admin group has always been friendly. Admins are here to help you and not to boss you. Everyone is free to voice out their opinion even if it is against admin. When I had earlier posted a joke Gangaram Ki Dhoti, ROM did not like it, I at once deleted it. The admin group is not baised towards anybody. We all have our personal preferences and have privilidged rights, but we don't use it to make life miserable to someone else or some group. At times our decisions seem harsh, bcoz we cannot make everyone happy, nobody can.

Admin group believes that if you guys would like to continue the conspiracy against KS, do it outside HF. We believe that this thread has been over used and as warned earlier, it would remain permanently closed. To have your voices heard, we are not deleting the thread. So it is readeable to music personalities who visit bollywood forums. I hope they get to see the thread.

You guys are welcome to use KS forum to discuss non-conspiracy issues regarding Kumar Sanu. If you guys feel that admins here are partial and you cannot follow the request, then I guess its time to say good-bye and part with a smile.