I hope so.

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Yup. She dumps a basketful of scalding red-hot chillies in Naseeruddin Shah’s face ( That must have hurt very much. I hope. ) – the evil lecherous subedar.
This is just after the citadel gate ( of the masala factory where the village women work ) is forced open by his troops.

Powerful, powerful movie, this is one story that will never lose its relevance for it’s the classic story of a woman, a young feisty woman who would risk all to safeguard her honour even if it means taking on single-handedly the mighty feudal society she lives in.

Smita in this movie is a vision of grace, charm, poise, elegance, and dignity ( You think a village belle cannot possess those qualities? You need to think again! ) – the ideal representative of what a woman can and ought to be.

P.S. Reeth, did you happen to notice any particular missing adjective among the superlatives I used for Smita? Guess what that is, can you?
And thanks a bunch for the write-ups on Smita as well as Moushumi.

Please do not quote this post, I am terrified of those numbers.

Noorie

[quote name='noorie' date='Apr 10 2008, 04:28 PM' post='485118']
[quote name='Reeth' post='485078' date='Apr 10 2008, 03:09 PM']

I no understand

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Reeth, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the ‘dumb act’ routine doesn’t suit you one bit.

Noorie
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[quote name='YaarMere' post='485123' date='Apr 10 2008, 04:37 PM']

Word 1st... mystery solved.

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Guilty as charged. But, it’s never happened before. Why now? And why only with Reeth’s posts’?
The quote in Nasir sahab’s post ( # 737 ) looks perfectly fine.

[quote name='YaarMere' post='485123' date='Apr 10 2008, 04:37 PM']

Stop writting in Word 1st... mystery solved.

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As you wish - I’ll start “writting� in real time from now on. Click to view attachment

Noorie
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[quote name='noorie' date='Apr 11 2008, 12:02 AM' post='485294']
[quote name='nasir' post='485174' date='Apr 10 2008, 07:20 PM']

I am reminded of Tennyson's poetic line: Many things are wrought by prayer than the world dream of.
So not to worry.

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Nasir sahab, first let me thank you for this post, there's a lot in there that I find comforting and even though there's a part of me that feels I did wrong in involving you in this mess, the soul agrees that it's for the best.

[quote name='nasir' post='485174' date='Apr 10 2008, 07:20 PM']

There is always a higher Court to do the Justice.

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Till then, how do I rid myself of this nagging hurt that I've been 'discriminated' against for no fault of mine. This is a free world, just because my outlook / opinion on certain matters doesn't carry favour with the majority here, should that mean I must automatically be bracketed as a trouble-maker?
If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is.

Why should I be the one to be 'crucified' all the time?

[quote name='nasir' post='485174' date='Apr 10 2008, 07:20 PM']

Lastly, Noorie, never take a bait which you think will lead you to say something harsh or critical or invite such comments from those opposting your views. Even if you take the bait, then speak not from your own point of view but from that of the baiter's to prove the failsity or otherwise of their stand. This advice is given not with someone in sight but as a general remedy.

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Yes that's good advice in a neutral set-up, but what if the jury and the adjudicator had already made up their minds before the trial had even begun? What then?
I hope we agree that there's nothing wrong in expecting a little more transparency in dispensing justice?

[quote name='nasir' post='485174' date='Apr 10 2008, 07:20 PM']

Even if the world is against you and God is on your side, you will emerge victorious.

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I am not 'destroyed', not yet. Somehow that isn't part of His plans for me.
There're plenty of good people in the world, and one or two ugly episodes aren't going to keep me from finding them.

[quote name='nasir' post='485174' date='Apr 10 2008, 07:20 PM']

You bet! Very powerful ones. But that's quite a long story.

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I am sure it would be more entertaining than any book or movie. Is there any chance of us getting a preview?

P.S. Reeth? This may be your chance to reclaim your thread - I am done with it. For now.

Noorie
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I am more confused than ever ......Anyways Al's well that ends wellllllll.....


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[quote name='nasir' post='485537' date='Apr 11 2008, 04:31 PM']

I'm sure Reeth would understand this diversion.
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I hope so...........

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No worry jassi , all facts noted

Noorie......i think earlier on this thread we had discussed Smita Patil .....as you say Mirch masala
is probably one of her best films....i have liked all her off beat films Nishant, Chakra,Subah,Arth
Ardha satya....She was one of the best actresses we have ever had.....

To Jassi: See it this way – there’s ‘spam’ spam, and then there’s constructive spam; mine falls comfortably in the second bracket.

Noorie

noorie ,You have the Last word

Reena Roy - Born 7 January, 1957


Reena Roy was easily one of the most popular actresses of the seventies and eighties...
She had an earthy appeal , was very attractive and could fit into any kind of role.....
She came from a broken home, a Muslim father and Hindu mother, who separated after having four children together. Reena is their third child, and she started films in her early teens to support her mother and siblings.....
Reena Roy's career in films started off inauspiciously with B. R. Ishara's Nayi Duniya Naye Log with another newcomer Danny Denzongpa, but it was shelved temporarily. Undeterred, B. R. Ishara cast both actors again in Zaroorat (1972), along with another newcomer Vijay Arora, and the racy film got her some attention.Yet, she struggled for the next four years in B films that had feeble scripts and faltering leading men The bright spot during this period came with her lively performance in Jaise Ko Taisa (1973), and her rain-soaked dance to the song "Ab ke Sawan" with Jeetendra raised temperatures.....
She had to wait two more years for another break. At the outset Kalicharan (1975) didn't seem like it had the makings of a hit. Subhash Ghai, a failed actor, was making his directorial debut, and Shatrughan Sinha, an actor known for his villainous roles, was making his first mark as a hero.
But the film defied everyone's expectations and became a surprise hit, and Reena as Shatrugan's love interest got attention from audiences and from Shatrughan himself. They became an off-screen pair as well, and they signed several films together......

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She also made several films with Sunil Dutt, including hit films like "Zakhmee" (1975). The successes of "Zakhmee" and "Kalicharan" led to her star vehicle Nagin (1976). Playing the title role of the deadly 'nagin', she avenges the death of her lover by ruthlessly murdering five leading male-stars. The film became a huge hit, and Reena received her first Filmfare nomination as Best Actress. She was now one of the top heroines in Hindi films. Inspired by its success, the director, Raj Kumar Kohli, looked no further for the heroine of his next star-studded horror movie, Jaani Dushman (1979). Thereafter, the Kohli-Roy combination continued to give Hindi cinema some of its greatest multi-starrer blockbusters, including Muqabla (1979), Badle Ki Aag (1982), and Raaj Tilak (1984)...

Reena Roy-Shatrugan Sinha became a famous team after "Kalicharan," and had delivered yet another blockbuster thriller, Vishwanath (1978). But it was Reena's chemistry with Jeetendra in marital dramas like Badaltey Rishtey (1978) and Pyaasa Sawan (1982) that set her career soaring. The duo produced three of their greatest classics together - Apnapan (1977), Aasha (1980) and Arpan (1983). Reena's poignant dance in "Aasha" to the melody of "Shisha Ho Yah Dil Ho" immortalized her as an icon of desire and tragedy. Her dark-shaded role in "Apnapan," as the selfish gold-digger that abandons her husband and child, won her the Best Supporting Actress Filmfare Award, beating out icons Nutan and Asha Parekh.

As legend has it, she rejected the Award on basis that she is the heroine of the film, not the
supporting actress! And finally, her screen image as a sacrificing symbol of Indian womanhood is glorified in the immensely popular, "Arpan."

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After the box office success of "Aasha," for which she received her second Filmfare nomination as Best Actress, Reena Roy entered the 1980's as a leading lady in demand, securing herself critical roles with phenomenal superstars like Rajesh Khanna, Dharmendra and Vinod Khanna. She was the defiant widow who reforms the egotistical Rajesh Khanna of Dhanwan (1981); the beautiful actress' that dies on stage performing her last 'mujra' for Dharmendra in Naukar Biwi Ka (1983); and the talented psychiatrist determined to cure Vinod Khanna in the comical, Jail Yatra (1981). Top directors like Prakash Mehra, Raj Khosla and Sultan Ahmad grabbed her for crucial roles. But the jewel in the crown came in the form of Manmohan Desai's grand extravaganza, Naseeb (1981), where she stole scenes in a star-studded cast that had the legendary Amitabh Bachchan, Hema Malini, and of course, Shatrugan Sinha....


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Reena Roy concentrated on her career, as she was providing Hema Malini and Rekha stiff competition for the No. 1 position by the early 1980s. In 1982 alone, she had thirteen releases, by far more than any of her rivals. She was now demanding equal footing with Hema, and effectively stealing the show from Rekha in emotional melodramas like Prem Tapasya (1983) and Asha Jyoti (1984). Her characters became more versatile, as did her dances, as she effortlessly shifted from classical 'natyam' (Rocky (1981)) to "Disco Station" (Hathkadi (1982)). The sophisticated, glamorous model of Karishmaa (1984) was equally seductive as the village belle of Dharam Kanta (1982). Her profile was further enhanced with an extraordinary double role in the Muslim social, Ladies Tailor (1981), opposite the talented Sanjeev Kumar.

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At the pinnacle of her popularity, Reena's dormant desire to prove herself found expression in a number of female-oriented films. Enacting the role of a tormented 'bahu' in Sau Din Saas Ke (1980), she defies conventions to oppose her tyrant mother-in-law. With an author-backed role in Bezubaan(1982), she gives a realistic portrayal of a woman whose past returns to threaten her present married life. But it was Roy's presentation, Lakshmi (1982) that glorified the presence of Reena Roy in Bollywood cinema. Playing the role of a misfortunate 'tawaif', she dances to her never-ending tragedies. Reena, anguished by the commercial failure of Lakshmi, found solace in the sensational success of her other home production - the musical comedy, Sanam Teri Kasam (1982), opposite upcoming Kamal Hasan and produced by her sister Barkha Roy.

In 1983 - at the zenith of her stardom - Reena Roy decided to quit films to marry Pakistani cricketer, Mohsin Khan. Her last shooting was for Inteha (1984) - a tragedy, in which she is raped and tormented by Raj Babbar,....However, our last memories of Reena as a heroine, is as the struggling Moran of J.P. Dutta's war-torn Ghulami (1985).

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She acted in neraly 100 films in a career spanning 13 years....


Some memorable films....

Zaroorat
Milap
Jungal mein mangal
Jaise ko taisa
Goonj
Zakhmee
Umar qaid
Nagin
Kalicharan
Udhaar ka sindoor
Apnaapan
Vishwanath
Badalthey Rishtey
Jaani dushman
Muqabla
Aasha
Sau din saas ke
Naseeb
Pyaasa sawan
Bhagawat
Andha kanoon
Ghulami
Aadmi khilona hai
Raj kumar
Refugee

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Awards and nominations

* Filmfare Nomination for Best Actress--Nagin (1976)
* Filmfare Best Supporting Actress Award--Apnapan (1977)
* Filmfare Nomination for Best Actress--Aasha (1980)


Reena returned to Bollywood in 1992. In a supporting role as a sister-in-law ('bhabhi'), Aadmi Khilona Hai (1993) greeted the arrival of the mature Reena Roy. Her unhappiness showed in her significant weight gain. And the insignificant roles that were to follow proved even to her die-hard fans that Reena's film career came to an end. Her last film appearance was in J.P Dutta's Refugee (2000).
She has since turned to acting in television serials, such as "Eena Meena Deeka," produced by her sister Barkha. After the serial ended, both sisters opened an acting school together in 2004. Reena also has campaigned for the Indian National Congress.....

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here come my fav..to me she is an underrated super star..if we started counting indian cinema's top actresses according to box office..reena will be definately there in top 10..but its kinda sad that media and film industry totally ignored her..

i can go on and on abt her..u can discuss anything regarding her

As far as Reena Roy is concerned, I saw her very first movie ZAROORAT (1972) at the Shalimar Cinema in Bombay. It used to be a fashion around that time to exploit the stories of weaker sex's weakness. The story of Zaroorat is one of them. I cannot forget the scene when the helpless and penniless hero (Vijay Arora) is finally forced to send his wife (heroine Reena Roy) to the villian (the fat .. oh I don't remember his name at the moment) for money. The scene with the creaking bed was filmed with great realism. Remember it was B.R. Ishara's movie, the maker of CHETNA.

While for Mumtaz it was the right choice to quit Bollywood at No.1 position, I believe it was a blunder on the part of Reena Roy to quit the industry at the time when she had climbed to the top.

Personally, I liked Reena Roy the best in Apnapan, Aasha, Arpan and Nagin. I think Reena's sex appeal lies in the fact that her eyes seem to be covering up the anguish of her heart while her voice becomes laden with an effort to controlling her emotions.

Ghulami
a film abt caste system,which is very brutal reality of india and in certain parts of india,such things still happen.Mother India to Ghulami such things are still happening.Film is abt how rich thakurs are harrasing poor people.Dharmendra who decided to fight against them and with the help of Mithun and Kalbhooshan he started his battle against evil thakurs.At last in this battle all three sacrificed their lives.

Film is having so many great dialogues,and it shows ground reality of upper and lower class people,Coming to entertainment,film like ghulami can just give a message,but if one normal person talks abt entertainment,than may be he should better watch some other stuff of 80s.Film is not sholay,but somewhere in the line of Shakti.If one love cinema one can easily like Ghulami too,But it too have negative points,which is its length.But JP Dutta's films are always long and he too accepted that,coz he wanted to gave all the basic details.Which at a times made a viewer bore,but at a same time film will be again back on its track.
Dharmendra gave a mind blowing performance,its one of his best work he did after mid-80s.He did full justice to his role,one can easily see his anger in his eyes,when he is in jail and his lines about alsatian and bull dog were really great.I have same feeling for Mithun too,coz its also his best work of 80s,coz later he too got to do those very commercial loud roles and films.This film shows him not as any other Hero or superstar but an actor.Naseerudinshah's character is mix of grey-positive shades and he is good as always.Kalbhooshan Kharbanda was simply superb.
Reena Roy got some best lines,it was one of her very diffrent role,she is an uneducated woman who only knows how to write her lover's name,her character is so much devoted to her lover,beautiful role.Smita Patil as silent lover of Dharmendra did amazing job.Anita Raj too got something diffrent to do,she was natural.Actresses does not get much to do,but whatever they got it was best than any full fleged roles actresses got in 80s.Avtar Gill,Bharat Kapoor,Mazhar Khan and Raja Murad are at their best,they will not make u feel that u r watching them in any other rajkumar kohli action flick(Cast is quite similer to his films).Om Shivpuri,Sulochana and Ram Mohan also did good job.
There are just few songs and all are good.
it was review by me

now i will talk abt reena roy n smita patel in ghulami..

I find ghulami is one of her fine work,she just not played a character but lived it,one of her very real character..she is truly devoted to her lover,that she only knows how to write her lover's name but dont anything elce to write..when dharmendra is sick,she stayed with him,and when he saw her,he told her to leave(like thats his order to her),but she spend whole night outside his home,later near well women are talking abt her that(shaadi to har koi kare hain,yaari to koi kare hai)in that very small scene one can find there are no reaction of anger or sadness on her face,she just listen to their talk and leave,she was simply superb..later when smita came to her,and she talked to smita in very rude way(may be somewhere she was also knowing that smita was in love with dharmendra or she had special corner for dharmendra in her heart,but it was not shown)..but the way she answered all quiries of smita was really grt..that iski naukrani chutti par hai and all other stuff...
and when she wanted to write a letter to dharmendra and took help of smita..she says sumitra bhi yahin hain(but smita is not writing these lines)and she asked likha,smita replied haan likha..she ask kahan likha..(both were superb)..and then something like tum pooranmashi ki raat ko chandarma ko dekhna.....is tarah hum dono ek dusre ko dekh lenge..what a lines...
but i felt jp dutta was in hurry to end the film after non-stop long fight scenes..may be he realised that film is goin so long that he even edit reena's mere pee ko pawan and later he even did not thought of showin reena at climax in proper way

i think after dharmendra's death,he should have shown as saying something ke teri qurbani bekaar nahi jayegi..something like that now next genrations will get bright future...but
i think reena and smita were having equal roles,and somehow i feel smita might have got more importance,but it does not mean reena got little to do,she steal the show...among actresses all three played their parts really well..it was also fine performance of anita...

I agree nasir.....she was one of the few actresses who could carry the entire film single handed on her ability
and charisma........All the films that you have mantioned were very good and 2 more that i would like to
add are Bezubaan and Ghulami

Personally i feel that Ghulami is probably the best film that J.P.Dutta directed....
And Reena Roy has given such a wonderful performance that she outshines Smitha in many
a scene where they come together........
The song 'Mere pee ko pawan.......beautifully picturised on her is unforgettable...

Noorie thanks a lot for that wonderful review of Mirch masala...........
You will have to tell me about the missing adjective noorie............ you know i am dumb......i know that you understand me perfectly well....

some facts regarding her
saira,hema,rekha,neetu and even yogita bali..all refused nagin coz of negative shades..its said that sarika was signed,but she was too young and finally reena did it..many felt that reena is goin to end her career..but nagin took her to new level..she outdid rekha(she was very upset abt her decision,but sent flowers to reena)...

she also replaced parveen in naseeb and jwalamukhi
she was also shortlisted for satyam shivam sundram..
she walked out of coolie(it was her big chance,she could be paired oppocite amitabh,but she missed it)
also refused takkar and manglasutra..
b r chopra even approached her for insaf ka tarazu
she even could not provide dates for j om prakash's aaspaas,later hema did it(just imagine reena dancin at humko bhi gam ne maara)

Fine Reeth!

In my opinion she could have been the next Nutan of Bollywood had she stuck to her profession and adopted her career on the line of that great star. I say in view of the fact that I mentioned about Reena's sex appeal. I may be wrong but that's my opinion.

but as an actress,box office etc she was ahead of neetu or parveen(both actresses were not part of any grt author backed role)..

she gave many performance oriented films as well as stuff for masses in those masala flicks..she was having so many grt dance numbers..

she is so much neglected only bcoz she did not work with amitabh(oppocite him),one film could have help her in big way..(to get noticed today)..

her choice of husband was also wrong(well she was in love)..i wish she should have married shatrughan or should have grabbed some millionaire like ambanis or respected man of film industry..

Based on your above surmise Jassi,

1. What did Reena see in Muhsin Khan; how did they come together?

2. Before that, how close were Shatru and Reena?

3. Why did Shatru ditch Reena. Was he already married to Poonam before that?

4. What was the cause of Reena-Muhsin separation?

5. How is that Reena failed to maintain her figure? Not forgetting that Nutan was slim and trim till the time she died.

6. Is she now only confined to the idiot box? Or she has some films too on hand?

Jassi, I think the above questions should provide plenty more info on Reena Roy.

Nasir i seriously doubt if Reena roy was capable of that.....Nutan was the best, there can never be another actress like her.........for that matter i would say that of all the leading ladies of the b/w era ......






Grab is the name of the game......







Jassi waiting for your answers now

I agree with you Reeth. Personally, I like the Nutan's style of acting. Naturally, she won the Filmfare Award for best actress in SEEMA, SUJATA, BANDINI, SARASWATI CHANDRA, MILAN and MAIN TULSI TERE ANGAN KI besides the awards in other categories. All those movies have been made unforgettable by Nutan's acting.

1. What did Reena see in Muhsin Khan; how did they come together?
he was quite famous cricketer,and love happened between both of them..in fact jaya bacchan(said to be close friend of reena) told her that mohsin will be right man for her..(in fact some stupid articles mentioned that jaya was havin fear that reena will have affair with amitabh,so she gave her this advice,i guess it was truly rubbish article)



2. Before that, how close were Shatru and Reena?
both got success by same time,and they were hit pair,yes they were having affair..

3. Why did Shatru ditch Reena. Was he already married to Poonam before that?
i cant comment on that,as i dont care much abt any actor's personal life,i like to know more abt their proffesional career..i guess shatru did not want her to continue acting..in fact i guess poonam sinha was also an actress..but she left films,she played hrithik's mother in jodha akbar...

4. What was the cause of Reena-Muhsin separation?
it was again personal matter of her,fights do happen in husband-wife,but i guess reena wanted to stay in india,it was coz of reena mohsin got work in bollywood(reena must have thought its the only way to be in india)..but sadly mohsin could not get success,and wanted to go back to pakistan...and finally they seprated..


5. How is that Reena failed to maintain her figure? Not forgetting that Nutan was slim and trim till the time she died.
it could be stress..when she returned back in 1993,she was still havin good figure,but later she could not control over it..

6. Is she now only confined to the idiot box? Or she has some films too on hand?
she is no more doing tv,i heard she was goin to produce a bhojpuri film with sister barkha roy,she also signed a film with rajesh khanna,but its stucked..she was also abt to join politics..there were rumours that she will be doin punjabi film and an ekta kapoor seriel,but nothing happened so far..

anythin elce

Thanks a lot jassi...........

Now we move on to .....

Dimple Kapadia - Born June 8, 1957


Dimple Kapadia in her first film "Bobby" became a legend. She displayed an abandon and natural spontaneity
in her acting that lifted the film above its simple story line and helped make "Bobby" a classic of Bollywood
cinema.

That pretty face looking askance at the young intruder into her house in Bobby isn't easily forgotten. And
the sensuous ingenue with her short skirts and the ill-concealed bosom had quite a few hearts thumping
away faster....

Ms. Kapadia was born the elder daughter of Gujarati entrepreneur Chunnibhai Kapadia and his wife Betty.

She was discovered by Raj Kapoor, who introduced her in the 1973 movie Bobby. She was only sixteen at
the time....Bobby was a super duper success and Dimple was flooded with offers much before the film
was released, but alas...She married Hindi film's First Superstar Rajesh Khanna at the age of 16 even
before the release of the film and despite the enormous success of Bobby, left the film industry to raise
her children......and Dimple Kapadia disappeared into the innards of Rajesh Khanna's bungalow on
Carter Road.....

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Then after over ten years she went through a bitter divorce and left Rajesh with her kids in tow. It had
been 12 years since she had been in a film....Dimple wanted back but the industry wasn't so sure if it did.
Twelve years had passed. This wasn't a young ripe girl any more, it was a divorced mother with two
children. Though the good looks hadn't disappeared altogether, there was a hardness, a maturity about
her, that could bely audience expectations. For hadn't they first seen her as an innocent wide-eyed lass?
Which is why when she finally resurfaced, Ramesh Sippy put her opposite Rishi Kapoor again, with Kamal
Hasan providing the third vertex of the love triangle. But if Saagar succeeded on the basis of
the audience belief that here were old lovers being reunited, the makers also insured themselves getting
her to provide some sensuous scenes and a glimpse of a bare bosom....
If the short skirted 14 year old of "Bobby" had created a sensation in her first film the 27 year old
divorced mother of two created as big a splash with her comeback in"Zakhmi sher" and"Saagar" when she flashed her
exposed breasts to the camera for a few quick frames which was a shocking first for a mainstream
actress in a Bollywood film. Dimple was back and as hot as ever.....

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She appeared in many movies throughout the 1980s and 1990s. She won the National Film Award for
Best Actress portrayal of her role in Rudaali in 1993.But that it seemed was it.....She could never
catch up on the glorious success that was Bobby....Her two major films with Amitabh bachhan,
Ajooba and Mrityudaata failed miserably at the box office....
Her bold sex scene with Anil Kapoor in Jaanbaz is still considered to be very hot....
After her second stint into commercial films, she decided to go in for the more serious kind, trying to
maintain a balance with films like Rudaali, Antareen and Drishti......

Some prominent films

Bobby
Sagar
Manzil manzil
Laava
Aitbaar
Insaaf
Jaanbaaz
Zakhmi aurat
Batwara
Ram lakhan
Drishti
Arjun
Allah Rakha
Aag ka gola
Rudaali
Antareen
Mrityudaata
Krantiveer
Lekin
Narasimha
Dil chahta hai
Leela
Pyar mein twist
Being Cyrus
Banaras- A mystic Love story

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There were rumours about her long time involvement with Sunny Deol with whom she starred in a number of
films.....She worked with Jackie Shroff in a few projects, including Angaar, Ram Lakhan...
Muzaffar Ali signed her on for his ambitious film Zooni, based on the story of poetess Habba Khatoon, which
was unfortunately shelved....

In 2001 Dimple played the part of Tara the alcoholic divorced mother who is the love interest of a
much younger Akshaye Khanna in Farhan Akhtar's "Dil Chahta Hai". It was one of the
best performances of Dimple's career....Followed Leela and Being Cyrus, both of which brought
her a lot of appreciation...

In her own words...

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So what now?

"Well, there are a few films in which I am acting. I will continue to give justice to do whatever I want to
and like to do. But then I am not bothered about the long term at all....she is happy being mother to
Twinkle khanna and Tina ....and grandma to her two grand children....

Awards

* 1973 - Filmfare Best Actress Award, Bobby

* 1985 - Filmfare Best Actress Award, Saagar

* 1991 - Bengal Film Journalists' Association Awards - Best Actress, 'Dristi'

* 1993 - National Film Awards for Best Actress, Rudaali

* 1993 - Filmfare Critics Award for Best Performance, Rudaali

* 1994 - Filmfare Best Supporting Actress Award, Krantiveer

Apologies for joining the discussion so late into the topic. In reference to the main points raised with regard to Reena Roy, I would like to make the following comments:

It makes no sense to compare Reena Roy with Nutan. Nutan had the privilege of being part of Indian cinema when it was at its golden age. Reena struggled in Amitabh's years of violence when it was difficult for all heroines, even Hema Malini. Reena was from a very poor non-Filmi family and could not make the right choices and was not supported by any big actors or directors of that time. She neither had any acting qualifications or training. Her achievement is that despite these setbacks she was amongst the top five heroines for almost a decade.

A better comparison for Reena Roy is Rekha as they competed for similar roles. When Reena came into the industry the media often compared her to Asha Parekh, saying the two have a huge resemblance and that Reena is competition for Asha at a time when the latter was at the top of her profession. By a stretch of the imagination one could compare Reena Roy with Meena Kumari as Reena had a passion to play women-oriented tragedy roles and would often die at the end of the film. Reena's struggle for stardom and decision to quit films when she had just got there is often compared to Mumtaz. In the 1990s it was often said that Raveena Tandon look like Reena Roy.

Regarding the Shatrughan Sinha affair, they first acted together for Milap in 1972 but their affair reportedly began in 1976 when Kalicharan became a big hit. Clearly the affair was encouraged by all parties (including the stars themselves) to promote their films together as people like watching real life couples on screen. At some point it must have become reality. Being a man, Shatru always boasted about it while Reena shifted from denying it to acknowledging it but mostly she chose the middle road of silence. Shatru had a secondary relationship with Poonam too, whom he eventually decided to marry. Why he chose Poonam is not known. Perhaps he feared infidelity from a top heroine. Perhaps he did not love Reena and was only using her to boost his career. It is difficult to determine precisely what Shatru meant to Reena as she often denied the affair. Unfortunately the Indian double standard on women played their part and not many heroines of that time were frank about their affairs. Despite Shatru's marriage, the pair revived their romance for several years and the affair did not come to a halt until Reena announced her marriage plans to Mohsin Khan in 1983.

It was whilst on a trip for one of Amitabh's concert in London that Reena met Mohsin for the first time. I can't recall whether it was through some friends at a party or a cricket match. The mostly likely reason for the break up is probably Reena's desire to come back to India but Mohsin wanting to stay in Pakistan after a failed career in Bollywood. As Reena had left at the height of her career, she must have felt that she could pick up from where she left. Unfortunately she remained unsuccessful as a character artist despite a series of such roles in the 1990s. There may be several other domestic and personal reasons in the Reena-Mohsin break-up.

Weight gain is a combination of many factors from genetic make-up to diet and exercise, and most people have tendency to put on weight with age. Reena's mother was a large lady too. Unfortunately we don't know much about Reena's father. Her sisters Barkha and Anju seem to be in real good shape for their age. Reena often said in interviews that she longed to be a housewife, to eat what she likes and not worry about her figure. I guess her attitude contributes to her size. When J Om Prakash offered to relaunch he in Aadmi Khilona Hai she went on a diet frenzy to get a better figure. She could do it again, but who's going to make her another offer that she can't refuse?

Interesting comments. Not sure how well she would have survived the onslaught from Sridevi, Jayaprada and Meenakshi in the 1980s. To assist me to understand you better, can you give specific scene examples of her "eyes covering up the anguish in her heart" or her "voice becoming laden with an effort to controlling her emotions".

Just one quick point about Zaroorat. The character of Vijay Arora had too much respect and love for his wife to put her into prostitution. Reena sold herself without her husband's permission or knowledge to pay for his treatment, unless the version I saw was cut. On her return she finds him dead, leading into the most dramatic scene of Reena's career in which she freezes standing next to him with her eyes wide open. Did she die or had she just become a living zombie at the end?

It makes no sense to compare Reena Roy with Nutan. Nutan had the privilege of being part of Indian cinema when it was at its golden age. Reena struggled in Amitabh's years of violence when it was difficult for all heroines, even Hema Malini. Reena was from a very poor non-Filmi family and could not make the right choices and was not supported by any big actors or directors of that time. She neither had any acting qualifications or training. Her achievement is that despite these setbacks she was amongst the top five heroines for almost a decade...


Hello armaan..thankx a lot for all the info about Reena roy....I agree with the above view, she did have to struggle a lot to find a foothold in the beginning , and then to come up to the top is remarkable, to say
the least...

I have not seen the film, hopefully others who have seen it will post their comments about this...Thanks once again...

thanks armaan..for all the information..

some facts regarding her
saira,hema,rekha,neetu and even yogita bali..all refused nagin coz of negative shades..its said that sarika was signed,but she was too young and finally reena did it..many felt that reena is goin to end her career..but nagin took her to new level..she outdid rekha(she was very upset abt her decision,but sent flowers to reena)...

she also replaced parveen in naseeb and jwalamukhi
she was also shortlisted for satyam shivam sundram..
she walked out of coolie(it was her big chance,she could be paired oppocite amitabh,but she missed it)
also refused takkar and manglasutra..
b r chopra even approached her for insaf ka tarazu
she even could not provide dates for j om prakash's aaspaas,later hema did it(just imagine reena dancin at humko bhi gam ne maara)

pasting again..

ON REENA:

It’s to be remembered that Zaroorat was released in 1972 which was the year of mediocre movies except for some more enduring ones such as Pakeezah, Victoria 203, Shor, Seeta Aur Geeta, Samadhi, a few more movies such as Bombay to Goa and Piya ka Ghar, and offbeats like Koshish, Parichay and Bawarchi. So there wasn’t much competition for Reena Roy except for Jaya Bahaduri and Mumtaz. Rekha, Raakhi, Leena Chandavarkar, Hema Malini were there of course. Jaya Pradha and Sridevi made their names more in the Eighties. Reena’s more enduring movie is JANGAL MEIN MANGAL (1972) which is remembered more for Pran’s performance and the happy and comic plot.
Anyway, coming to your posers:



The above trait of Reena can be seen in any movie where she is made to do an emotional scene – the scenes where she is misunderstood, or called upon to make a sacrifice her love, or is made to make the hero understand why she did the thing she did by her large-heartedness. Movies such as APNAPAN, ARPAN and ASHA would suffice as examples. Thereby she resembled somewhat the Nutan’s style of dialogue delivery (minus her histrionics and intensity of course).

Jangle Mein Mangal is a fine movie but it probably did more for Pran, Kiran Kumar and Sonia Sahni than Reena Roy. The camera hardly focused on her and even in that famous Tum Kitni Khoobsurat Ho song by Kishore Kumar, you would miss Reena if you blinked. Admittedly the competition in 1972 was not fierce but Zaroorat was not a big hit in any case. Success came to her in 1975 when Zakhmee competed with blockbusters of Sholay and Deewar magnitude.

You're right Armaan. But then Reena Roy was the heroine of JANGAL MEIN MANGAL. Kiran Kumar was just a bad caricature of the then super hero Rajesh Khanna.

Zakhmee was the starter to the sumptuous meal of NAGIN in 1976. I believe it was NAGIN that zoomed her to a greater height because she stood out very well in comparison to Mumtaz, Yogeeta Bali, Rekha and others.

now abt surviving in the era of jayaprada and sridevi..if hema and rekha survived she could have also..i think she should not retire in 1983,but by 1984..coz after mid 80s,there were not grt roles for actresses..

I too think she should have delayed her decision to quit films by another couple of years.

As she was very much a dancing star there was very little scope for her in her comeback years. She tried doing a cabaret dance in Janam Kundli in the 1990s but the excess weight made her look quite funny.

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At the press conference held on 24th April at the residence of veteran actor Chandrashekhar, the trustees of Dadasaheb Phalke Academy announced the recipients of Dadasaheb Phalke Academy awards. Legendary film-maker Dr. B.R. Chopra will be conferred with the prestigious Phalke Ratna award, while Rajesh Khanna will receive Phalke Golden Actor award.

The sizzling star of 50s and 60s Shyama will receive Phalke Golden Era Actor award. Dance icon Sitara Devi will be honoured with Phalke Indian Classical Dancer award. Many senior artistes and technicians will also honoured and felicitated with trophies at the award function, to be held on Phalke Jayanti i.e. 30th April in Mumbai

http://www.indiafm.com/news/2008/04/26/11291/index.html

i guess actresses like mala sinha,nanda,sadhana etc will leave the world,and will never get awards for their huge contribution...but some 2 or 3 film wonder like bina rai or now shyama will went on getting such awards...
i m highly disappointed..

Hi Reeth,

Interesting and informative reading. As for comarision with Nutan it would be unfair to compare most of the
actress if not all. Nutan was in a class by herself even during the golden era But atleast then she had competetion . The only one who came close to her in terms of depth of acting after 70's was Jaya Bhaduri (Koshish, Abhimaan, Kora Kagaz), who retired early after becoming Mrs B

i think nutan's niece kajol can be called an another nutan..just like nutan,kajol too went on makin comeback after short time and always make it big..but i think coming to nutan's persona n acting,juhi is better option,but than she did not get those kind of roles much..

Thanks a lot jassi,armaan,nasir for all the info given here

Jassi, although Kajol is by far one of the best actresses we have now, i dont think she is as natural or
spontaneous as Nutan was, she comes no where near Nutan, strictly my opinion..

I partly agree with you Ramesh..the problem with Jaya Bhaduri was that , at times she was a bit stiff in her mannerisms, otherwise she has given some wonderful performances........her best came out with Hrishikesh
and Gulzaar i feel........

yeah i agree kajol is not natural..but than there is tabu too..but why do we need to compair nutan with any actress..everyone is havin their own persona..i said kajol coz her career is quite similer to nutan..and she is also winner of many best actress awards(4) like nutan(5)

I think no heroine comes near Nutan as far as acting is concerned. She faced the greatest challenge from Madhubala, Meena Kumari, Nargis but went on her winning streak in the Fifties and the Sixties. This despite the fact that she did not have the charm of Madhubala, the unrestrained histrionics of Meena Kumari and the persona of Nargis. There seems to be certain aloofness in her performance - whether in a romantic roles or where she is called upon to display her intensity - which makes her stand apart from her contemporaries. I can never forget her powerhouse of performance in MAIN TULSI TERE ANGAN KI which was released in the last Seventies.

coming to dimple,while doin bobby,she was offered roti with rajesh khanna,but she preferred marriage..
when she made her comeback she was supposed to mard and shehanshah with amitabh,but replaced by amrita and meenakshai..later she got the chance to work with him when sridevi walked out of ajooba..

Now we move on to.....


Deepti Naval - Born August 22, 1957

Deepti Naval is an artiste in the true sense of the word. Behind her silence lies a strength that has made
Deepti Naval the persona she is today.She is known to be a sensitive actress and was a part of the art films
and light films of the 80's....She was born in Amritsar, Punjab, India and attended college in United States
of America, where she was educated at the City University of New York and received her Bachelor's degree
in Fine Arts at Hunter College in Manhattan...She made her debut with the movie Ek Baar Phir in
the year 1979 and has acted in more than 60 films since then.....

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Followed films like Chashme Baddoor,Saath Saath,Hum panch,Angoor ,Katha...She acted in more
than sixty films since then...She was considered to be as talented as Shabana Azmi and Smita Patil
yet she somehow did not achieve the same stature in terms of awards or memorable casts....
But she did get to act in some strong women oriented films like Ek baar Phir,Saath saath,Mirch masala,
Andhi ghali,Katha,Ek Ghar and lately Freaky Chakra...

Some memorable films

Ek baar phir
Saath Saath
Chasme baddoor
Mirch masala
Angoor
Katha
Kissise na kehna
Holi
Mohan joshi hazir ho
Damul
Mirch masala
Ek ghar
Guddu
Leela
Annahat
Freaky Chakra

She also wrote and directed Thodasa Aasmaan, a TV serial about women, and produced a travel
show called The Path Less Traveled
She also starred in the critically acclaimed Punjabi film Marhi Da Diva (1989).

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She was at one time married to filmmaker and director Prakash Jha. She was also once involved with actor
Nana Patekar, and later engaged to Vinod Pandit who incidentally co starred with her in Thodasa aasman,
before he died..

Once she moved out of lead roles, she portrayed character roles in mainstream Hindi films but was
not satisfied with the roles she got and took a break.
She is also a painter and photographer with several exhibitions to her credit and enjoys trekking in
the remote mountains of Himachal and Ladakh. She also runs the Vinod Pandit Charitable Trust, set up
in memory of her late companion, for the education of the girl child.
The strong-willed actress says if she does not get satisfactory roles, she would rather take to writing her
own scripts and making her own films.
"In fact, I have already begun work on a script and would soon make the film. I have been asking Prakash
(director of Freaky Chakra ) to make more such films. Using English is OK, but there are a lot of
experiments yet to be done with Indian cinema," she points out. ..
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Deepti Naval says she finds the choice of language very practical since in the urban milieu today no
one speaks in pure Hindi or in a pure vernacular language.
"Movies must portray society we live in. I am sure in our normal lives none of us goes about doing
heavy duty Urdu or Hindi dialogue-bazi...that rings an untrue note. We break off to English and switch
back to Hindi very naturally," the actress reasons.
For her the new lingo is the perfect medium to make new-age films.
"Such universal movies are understood by a lot many people apart from the Indian audience. These
films are officially entering festivals and making their mark as English movies."
Naval contends that commercial cinema has its niche audience and films with universal themes were
not meant for this group.
"We are aiming at the urban audience who cannot sit through a Bollywood commercial and looks
westwards for creative stuff."
About her viewpoint on women's liberation, Deepti Naval says, "That is a question people asked me
20 years back when I began acting! I believe in equality of men and women. I do not cater to the
male-bashing school of feminism. For me each individual must be given his or her space and freedom."

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She has taken to Painting and Photography in a big way...
"I think I’m best at self portraits and I paint the faces hard, lonely and morbid. They are hard because
they reflect what goes on in my head. It’s difficult to pin-point what inspires these" ....

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Deepti Naval along with Shabana Azmi and Smita Patil created a different genre of acting in the 80's..
She has led a full life without limiting herself to acting alone.....
"I love the mountains and always want to go back to them. I also love photography and used my break
from acting to click away in the glorious Ladakh range, which I later used for an exhibition in Mumbai,"
Deepti Naval says.
"But I am primarily an actress. All the other interests come later."
Naval laughs heartily while summarising the extreme contrasts in her comeback roles — a hapless
middle class housewife in Shakti opposite Nana Patekar, a liberated NRI woman in the Dimple Kapadia
starrer Leela and an eccentric 40-something woman who wants to look and feel 20 in Freaky Chakra .

In April 2007 Deepti Naval was recognized as the 2007 Tribute Honorée of the Indian Film Festival of
Los Angeles.

how can i forget dimple was also considered for ram teri ganga maili,but rk thought she is no more young enough for the role of ganga..

deepti naval was married to prakash jha and he wanted her for mritiyudand,but could not start the project at that time,years later he made same film with madhuri dixit..
deepti was actual choice for the film leela,but later dimple was signed..she was later given supporting role in same film..

jassi ,.....Was this after she made a come back?





I personally felt that Dimple suited the role better....

yeah when she decided to make her comeback...i even watched a video of her audition...

Thanks jassi......


Naaz

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Naaz started her film career as a child artiste 'Baby Naaz' with films like Subah ka taara and Gunah..
Then came Raj Kapoor's Boot Polish, which went on to win Film fare award for Best film
and Naaz received a special mention at the Cannes Film Festival.....
She went on to act in films like Lajwanti,Kagaz ke phool,Devdas,Ek hi raasta,Payal,Musafir......as a child artiste....

Then she began her acting career as a leading lady with films like Pyar ka bandhan,Mere arman mere sapne,
Char darvesh,Rocket girl,Gangu dada.....prominently in B films...then she was seen in character roles in films till the 80's

Some prominent films

Boot Polish
Kagaz ke phool
Devdas
Musafir
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