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nasir
QUOTE(jassi @ May 9 2007, 12:39 PM) *

apart from beena rai,nimmi is another actress i did not like earlier..but few days back i got to watch a film called pooja ke phool,i liked her voice..she was fine actress but i guess she was having attitude too..she refused b r chopra's sadhna coz she was not willing to play the role of prostitute or courtisian(she lost filmfare award too),but she played role of courtisian in mere mehboob and also accepted o p dutta's umrao jaan,which could not complete..



Jassi, in my opinion, Nimmi rightly turned down the role of a prostitute in SADHNA because only Vyjantimala could have performed the role of a dancing Tawaif. Nimmi was no dancer. As for her courtesan role in MERE MEHBOB , it was steeped in respectability and a very subdued one, a la 'Tehzeeb' of Lucknow.

Having seen her just a few days ago, she is a far cry from the Nimmi of the yore naturally.

NASIR.
Reeth
QUOTE(jassi @ May 9 2007, 07:28 PM) *

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Durga Khote
Brahmin film star whose appearance in Ayodhyecha Raja (1932) helped to legitimize respectable actresses performing in films.For a span of over 50 years, Durga Khote has been one of the most outstanding personalities of Indian Cinema, her unique career covering direction, production and acting. Her illustrious career commenced with the silent movies, Farebi Jaal, in 1931, just before the talkie was emerging. Her first talkie was the bi-lingual (Hindi & Marathi) Ayodhyecha Raja which was produced in 1932.With the studio system in vogue, she worked with Prabhat Film Co. Poona, New Theatres and East India (both at Calcutta), Prakash Pictures.She was an active participant of the Indian People's Theater Association (IPTA), a progressive, left-leaning movement of artists, writers and playwrights with links with the Communist Party and the Progressive Writers' Association (PWA), and which was incorporated as an all-Indian movement in 1943.She was committed to "democracy" as she understood it. Her family opposed and campaigned against Indira Gandhi's emergency (1977-1979) which suspended civil rights.As early as 1937, she produced and directed the feature film Saathi.She has acted in over 200 films in her career of 50 years plus. Her company continuous to produce these shorts, now headed by her daughter.Later she graduated to character roles, and remained active till the age of 80.She passed away in 1991.She received National Sangeet Academy Award,Dada Saheb Phalke Award,Padmashree State Award for Dhartichi Lekre (1970)and Filmfare Award for best supporting actress in Bidai (1974).

Her Performances-Ayodhyecha Raja(Govind Rao),Maya Machindra(Vinayak),Seeta(Prithvi Raj Kapoor),Amar Jyoti(Chandramohan,Shanta apte),Saathi(Mubarak),Bharat Milap(Prem Abid,Shobhna Samarth),Tasveer(Moti Lal),Mughle Aajam(Prithivi RK,Daleep K,Madhubala)(Rishi,Dimple),Bidai(Jeetendra,Leena),Khushbu(Jeetendra,Hema) & Karj(Rishi,Simmi,Tina M).



QUOTE(jassi @ May 9 2007, 07:30 PM) *

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Shobhana Samarth,mother of Nutan and Tanuja, grandmother of Kajol,Mohnish Behl & Tanisha. She is at the head of a family that has produced filmstars for three generations.But her entry into films was not simple.When her father passed away, Shobhana and her mother had to depend on her maternal uncle. He vehemently opposed the idea of Shobhana becoming an actress.Her uncle,whose daughter Nalini Jaywant later went on to became a well-known actress,justified his stand by saying that nobody would marry Shobhana if she became an actress. Then one day, her mother brought a proposal for her to marry Kumarsen Samarth, who had just returned from Germany having studied cinematography there.She asked him if he would object to her acting, he said, 'not at all.'becouse he was all set to do cinematography himself. So the two got married and thus began Shobhana's film career. Her first film, Nigahen Nafrat released in 1935, a few months after she was married. Her first daughter Nutan was born in June,After Nutan it was Tanuja,but they were willing to have son but after Tanuja it was again a doughter Chathura and finally a son Jaideep.Shobhana and her husband Kumarsen parted ways amicably. Their relationship became strained possibly because he couldn't take her success, even He made some films for her too.He visited his children and kept in touch with them till he passed away in the mid '70s.Her relationship with famous actor Motilal became the talk of the entire country,Everything about him resembled her father so much that she couldn't stop loving him.She even had some probblems with Nutan over some ecnomical issues,but all those things got solved when Nutan was on her last stage.Even at 84 she was having black hair( She never dyed it)She spent her last days very peacefully and even made an appearance on TV show Movers & Shakers(Host by Shekhar Suman) in 1999.She passed away in feb 2000.

She got Special Filmfare Award for her contribution to Indian Cinema in 1997.

Her Performances-Do Deewane ( Motilal and Yakub), Kokila (Motilal and Sabita Devi), Pati Patni (Wasti and Yakub), Sadhana ( Premadeeb), Apni Nagariya ( Nazir),Nayi Duniya (Jairaj), Savera (with Aroon who is actor Govinda's father)and Ram Rajya (with Prem Adip).


Thank you jassi ....
Reeth
QUOTE(Ummer @ May 10 2007, 03:40 AM) *

Can someone identify the people standing with Nimmi? One of them is Talat and other is Dilip Kumar. Who is the lady and the guy standing with Nimmi?



Actress Peace Kanwal,Nimmi,V.Shantaram,Talat mahmood and Dilip kumar
jassi
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Naseem Bano
Said to be Bollywood s first female superstar known as "beauty queen" or Pari Chehra.Doughter of succesful singer Shamshad Begum and mother of succesful actress Saira Banu,Naseem Bano was also a succesful actress and singer.Her beauty attracted a myriad of film offers, but she had to resort to a hunger strike before her family would allow her to appear in movies. Naseem s entry to the movies was accidental when she visited Bombay and was offered a role in Hamlet,

which made her an overnight sensation. She shot Khoon ka Khoon, President, Divorce, Khan Bahadur, Meetha Zahar and Vasant but it was historical classic Minerva Movietone’s Pukar, in which, her leading role in Mughul-era spectacular gave her a tender performance as the monarch Noor Jehan that brought her success in 1930s hit. Before she retired in mid-1950 she also appeared in Sheesh Mahal, Chal Chal Re Naujawan, Naushirwan-e-Adil and other films. Naseem came from wealthy background, unlike most actresses of her era who rose from poverty. She joined the film industry when it was considered to be part of a very low profession.She retired in the mid-1950s so that she would not compete with the blossoming acting career of her daughter Saira Banu Instead, she turned her attention to designing clothing, especially intricately embroidered saris, until her death in 2002.

Her Performances-Hamlet(in hindi Khoon Ka Khoon),President(Prithviraj Kapoor),Meetha Zehar,Pukar( Sohrab Modi),Talaaq(Prem Adip),Begum(Ashok Kumar),Chal Chal Re Noujwan( Ashok Kumar,Jagdish Sethi),Door Chalen(Balraj Sahni),Anokhi Ada( Shyam,Cuckoo) etc.

jassi
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Also known as Lalitabai, started her career in 1928 as a child artiste with Aryan Films Company for a monthly salary of Rs.18.In a career spanning 72 years, she acted in more than 800 Hindi, Marathi, Gujarathi and Bhojpuri films. She was the leading lady of the regional silent era and, later, a character artiste till she retired from the celluoid.After she grew up and graduated to play the leading lady, she was known more as the "most ravishing beauty of the silent movies". Later, when she had her fill of lead roles, she switched over to doing character roles, some "vampish" roles came her way, but it was her enactment of wicked and tyrannical mother-in-law for which she is still remembered.She produced a film titled Kailash on a partnership basis, but couldn't resist the temptation to star in it. Hence she went ahead and did triple role of a heroine, the vamp, and the mother. Incidentally it was a silent film. In 1937, she produced another film, titled Duniya Kya Hai. Inspite of her career going great guns, a freak accident resulted in facial paralysis and an impairment of her eyesight. During the shooting of Jung-e-azadi, master Bhagwan had to slap her. Her left ear started bleeding profusely. The left part of her face was paralysed and she developed a squint in the left eye. It took her almost 4 years of vigorous and expensive treatment,She again made her re-entry and got success..Lalita spent her last days in her hometown Pune where she died alone(1998) and lonely. A sad end for a great star.

She got Filmfare supporting nomiees for Parvarish,Anari,Proffessor,Kohra,Deewana etc. She won the suporing actress award for Anari.

Raja Harishchandra(First talkie),Kirti(Jagdish Sethi),Dahej(Prithvi Raj),Mr & Mrs 55(Gurudutt,Madhubala),Shri 420(Raj K,Nargis,Nadira), Parvarish(Raj Kapoor,Mala Sinha),Anari(Raj K,Nutan),Jis desh me ganga behti hai(Raj K,Padmini),Proffessor(Shammi K,Kalpana),Kohra(Wahida R,Vishvajeet),Bahurani(Gurudutt,Mala S,Firoze K),Khaandaan(Suneel D,Nutan),Junglee(Shammi,Saira),Boond jo ban gayi moti(Jeetebdra,Mumtaj),Deewana(Raj K,Saira sunglasses2.gif,Neelkamal(Wahida R,Rajkumar,Manoj K),Saas bhi kabhi bahu thi(Sanjay K,Leena C) & Noukar(Sanjeev K,Jaya Bachan).

jassi
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any idea abt this actress
Ummer
QUOTE(jassi @ May 9 2007, 02:10 AM) *

she was an estiblised actress,but dunno why accpted second lead in aan,where newcomer nadira was playing lead role which was offered to nargis..


There are very few movies in which Nimmi was solo heroine. Nimmi once mentioned that she was mostly cast as "other" woman jilted in love. Udan Khatola, Aan, Deedar, Barsaat, Bhai Bhai, Amar, Alif Laila, Sazaa... Therefore, it is not surprising she played the second lead to Nadira in Aan... The problem with Lollywood and Bollywood is that artistes are typecasted in the same role again and again.

I think Reeth mentioned in one of his previous posts that Nadira wasn't a good actress and in Aan she mostly had to look at the hero with her eyes opened wide... It was not her fault... According to Nadira, Mehboob's directing skills were old fashioned and in Aan it was under Mehboob's direction that she had to look with her eyes opened wide because as per Mehboob it would make her look more "haughty" tongue1.gif
jassi
i guess its fine if she played second leads to her junier,but top actresses like mala,nanda n sadhana..but nadira was just a new girl and later become part of b grade films and did some strong supporting roles later..

nimmi could have become more memorable actresses(like madhubala,meena,nargis etc),if her film love n god wud have happened at right time..and if umrao jaan wud have completed..and refusing sadhana was also a mistake(ofcourse i too think vyajaythimala was perfect,but one cant ignore this that b r chopra was seeing his heroin in nimmi first)
jassi
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Leela Chitnis
Born in 1912 in Karnataka, Chitnis was closely associated with Marathi stage before she joined films as a junior artist. Her first role as a leading lady was in Master Vinayak’s Hindi melodrama ‘Chhaya’ in 1936 in which she played the title role. In ‘Kangan’ (1939), the first of the superhit films with Ashok Kumar, Chitnis was cast as the stereotypical village belle who pines for her beloved amidst great villainous hurdles. Her subsequent films with Ashok Kumar, ‘Bandhan’ (1940) and ‘Jhoola’ (1941), were also major successes. After a brief innings at the top, Chitnis switched to playing the role of mother in 1948 with the patriotic film ‘Shaheed’ in which she was cast as Dilip Kumar’s mother.She even directed a film Aaj Ki Baat .She later played Dilip Kumar’s mother again in the superhit ‘Ganga Jamuna,’ and also Dev Anand’s mother in two evergreen films, ‘Hum Dono’ and ‘Guide.’ She also directed a film, ‘Aaj Ki Baat,’ in 1955.Her image of the screen mother later adopted by other actresses like Sulochana and Nirupa Roy.Her last appearance was in the Kamal Haasan-starrer ‘Dil Tujhko Diya’ in 1985. Thereafter, she migrated to the United States, to be with her children, where she died in 90s.

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She was the first Indian Brand Ambassedor of Lux soap, in 1941,She got Filmfare Nomination for film Sadhana in Supporting role.

Her Performances-Chhaya (Master Vinayak), Kangan,Jhoola,Azad,Bandhan (all with Ashok Kumar),Aaj Ki Baat(Ajit,Manmohan Krishna),Shaheed(Dalip K,Kamini K)Awara(Raj Kapoor,Nargis),Sadhana(Sunil Dutt,Vyjayntimala),Ganga Jamuna(Dalip K,Vyajantimala,Nasir Khan)Hum Dono(Dev,Nanda,Sadhana),Guide(Dev,Wahida) etc.



maheshks
QUOTE(jassi @ May 11 2007, 06:34 PM) *

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any idea abt this actress



She is Shanta Apte.
jassi
yeah u r right..

its fine reeth,i ll keep posting such profiles
Inaam
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QUOTE(jassi @ Apr 27 2007, 11:36 PM) *

but why suraiya refused to work with dilip kumar..if it was becoz of dev anand..like nargis too walked out some of films starring dilip..its said bcoz of raj kapoor...


Maybe bcoz Dilip Kumar was known for his rude behavior? He said to Nadira that she was the most despicable creature he ever met on the sets of Aan. And he also made a similar comment about Lata's Urdu pronounciation as Lata was Marathi. ninja.gif Maybe he made a similar comment about Suraiya too... tongue1.gif

Ummer, Recently a book of senior film journalist Zakhmi Kanpuri 'Mujhe Yaad Hai Sab Zara Zara' has published from Karachi. I found following interesting quotation in the book about Suraiya & Dilip controversy. tongue1.gif Hope you will enjoy:
"Ye uss zamaane ki baat hai jab Suraiya ka urooj tha. Jab bhi koi filmsaaz naii film signe karne Sariya ke ghar jaata toh Suraiya ki maa bade fakhr se kehti 'Beta aik Jubliee inko bhi de do'....Azeem adakaar Dilip Kumar ki shohrat ki ibtida thi.. K Asif se Dilip ki dosti misaali thi, Dilip K Asif ke saath 'Halchal' mein kaam karchuka tha, Dilip ne kaha kyun na aap mujhe Suraiya ke saath caste karein, chunacheh Asif ne 'Jaanwar' ke naam se aik naii film ka aaghaz kardiya. Iss film mein Dilip ke saath Suraiya ko caste kiya gaya. Ab Dilip ki iss khwahish ne iske andar ke jazbaat ko baahar nikalne per majboor kiya. Film ke scene ke mutaabiq Suraiya ki pindli per saanp kaat leta hai aur Hero Dilip Mumar saanp ka zehr apne moonh se choosta hai, iss scene ki rehearsal musalsal 4 roz tak jaari rahi. K Asif iss scene ko OK nahin kar rahe thay. 4 roz tak sirf issi scene ki rehearsal hoti rahi. Ab Suraiya ka maatha thanka ke iss scene ke pas-e-parda sirf aur sirf Dilip Kumar apne jazbaat ki taskeen karna chahta hai, jismein Asif iska hamnawa tha. Suraiya ne apni Maa se iska zikr kiya, uski Maa ne Suraiya ki hifaazat per maamoor uske moonh bole Maamoo Zahor se kaha ye sab kya ho raha hai? Zahore Sahab ki daadageeri uss zamane mein pore Bombay mein mashhoor thi, usne Suraiya ki Maa se kaha aap fikr na karein ab aisa nahin hoga. Doosre roz phir wohi scene huwa to Suraiya ne apni taang kheench li aur Dilip ko bura bhala kehna shuru kar diya. Zahor Dilip ki taraf bada lekin Asif ne darmiyaan mein aa kar baat badhne nahi di. Suraiya ne forun iss film mein kaam karne se inkaar kardiya. Asif ne kaha 'Khasaara kaun poora kare ga'? Suraiya ne forun purse mein se cheque book nikaal kar cheque kaata aur Asif ke hawaale kardiya aur set se chali aai. K Asif ne ye film windup kardi aur yun choti ke do adakaar yakja hone se reh gaye"



jassi
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Nirupa Roy has done over a hundred films as a heroine.She had nevar seen a movie till she came to Mumbai as 15 year old bride.She answered an advertisement for actors in a newspaper and got selected for a Gujrati Film Rankadevi.Her Husband supported her.By the next year.The Gujarati-Hindi bilingual, Gunsundari was Nirupa Roy's career-making film.When Bimal Roy chose her to play Balraj Sahni's wife in Do Bigha Zameen, Nirupa grabbed the chance to do something off-beat. She willingly wore unwashed clothes that had been bought from Bombay's Chor Bazaar.With the advent of the 1960s, the heroine roles dwindled and Nirupa got slotted as the mother.The crowning glory in Nirupa Roy's life however came in the 1970s when Vyjayanthimala turned down the chance to make a comeback with Yash Chopra's Deewar (1975). The author-backed role of a mother grappling with her son's (Amitabh Bachchan)'s transgressions and her own love for him came to Nirupa and she made it unquestionably her own.Nirupa's role was far superior to that of the heroines, Parveen Babi and Neetu Singh.She cut down on her work by the end of the 1980s and worked only intermittently in the 1990s.she had devoted a large part of her life to her profession.She passed away in 13 oct 2004 by heart attack.

she got so many supporting nominees of filmfare awards,she won awards for munimji,chaya and shehnai.
she got lifetime acheivment award in 2004.

Her performances-Gunsundari(Manhar Desai),Har Har Mahadev(Trilok Kapoor),Do Bigha Zameen(Balraj Sahni),Rani Rupmati(Bharat Bhushan),Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane( Ashok Kumar)Mujhe Jeene Do(Sunil Dutt,Wahida Rehmaan),Deewar(Amitabh,Shashi,Nitu,Parveen),Suhag(Shashi,Amitabh)Betaab(Sunny,A
mrita),Mard (Amitabh,Amrita)etc.
jassi
i m surprised by this dilip-suraiya episode..dunno it was true or no,coz some writers just wrote all these things to get attention like inder mohan,who wrote so called biographies of meena kumari n rekha
YaarMere
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Maybe bcoz Dilip Kumar was known for his rude behavior? He said to Nadira that she was the most despicable creature he ever met on the sets of Aan.


laugh.gif laugh.gif He did say that to her. He said it in English and Nadira didnt know wot he was saying to her so she smiled back at him.
nasir
QUOTE(Inaam @ May 16 2007, 02:31 AM) *

QUOTE(Ummer @ Apr 29 2007, 12:19 AM) *

QUOTE(jassi @ Apr 27 2007, 11:36 PM) *

but why suraiya refused to work with dilip kumar..if it was becoz of dev anand..like nargis too walked out some of films starring dilip..its said bcoz of raj kapoor...


Maybe bcoz Dilip Kumar was known for his rude behavior? He said to Nadira that she was the most despicable creature he ever met on the sets of Aan. And he also made a similar comment about Lata's Urdu pronounciation as Lata was Marathi. ninja.gif Maybe he made a similar comment about Suraiya too... tongue1.gif

Ummer, Recently a book of senior film journalist Zakhmi Kanpuri 'Mujhe Yaad Hai Sab Zara Zara' has published from Karachi. I found following interesting quotation in the book about Suraiya & Dilip controversy. tongue1.gif Hope you will enjoy:
"Ye uss zamaane ki baat hai jab Suraiya ka urooj tha. Jab bhi koi filmsaaz naii film signe karne Sariya ke ghar jaata toh Suraiya ki maa bade fakhr se kehti 'Beta aik Jubliee inko bhi de do'....Azeem adakaar Dilip Kumar ki shohrat ki ibtida thi.. K Asif se Dilip ki dosti misaali thi, Dilip K Asif ke saath 'Halchal' mein kaam karchuka tha, Dilip ne kaha kyun na aap mujhe Suraiya ke saath caste karein, chunacheh Asif ne 'Jaanwar' ke naam se aik naii film ka aaghaz kardiya. Iss film mein Dilip ke saath Suraiya ko caste kiya gaya. Ab Dilip ki iss khwahish ne iske andar ke jazbaat ko baahar nikalne per majboor kiya. Film ke scene ke mutaabiq Suraiya ki pindli per saanp kaat leta hai aur Hero Dilip Mumar saanp ka zehr apne moonh se choosta hai, iss scene ki rehearsal musalsal 4 roz tak jaari rahi. K Asif iss scene ko OK nahin kar rahe thay. 4 roz tak sirf issi scene ki rehearsal hoti rahi. Ab Suraiya ka maatha thanka ke iss scene ke pas-e-parda sirf aur sirf Dilip Kumar apne jazbaat ki taskeen karna chahta hai, jismein Asif iska hamnawa tha. Suraiya ne apni Maa se iska zikr kiya, uski Maa ne Suraiya ki hifaazat per maamoor uske moonh bole Maamoo Zahor se kaha ye sab kya ho raha hai? Zahore Sahab ki daadageeri uss zamane mein pore Bombay mein mashhoor thi, usne Suraiya ki Maa se kaha aap fikr na karein ab aisa nahin hoga. Doosre roz phir wohi scene huwa to Suraiya ne apni taang kheench li aur Dilip ko bura bhala kehna shuru kar diya. Zahor Dilip ki taraf bada lekin Asif ne darmiyaan mein aa kar baat badhne nahi di. Suraiya ne forun iss film mein kaam karne se inkaar kardiya. Asif ne kaha 'Khasaara kaun poora kare ga'? Suraiya ne forun purse mein se cheque book nikaal kar cheque kaata aur Asif ke hawaale kardiya aur set se chali aai. K Asif ne ye film windup kardi aur yun choti ke do adakaar yakja hone se reh gaye"


laugh.gif Kya Khoob! K. ASIF toh perfectionist teh. Iss Liyeh lagta hai baar baar seen ko dohra rahey teh. Lagta hai Ghaav bhara hi nahin - K.Asif ke kaate kaa.

Very interesting info Inaam Bhai. Thanks.
NASIR.
Ummer
QUOTE(jassi @ May 16 2007, 06:44 AM) *

i m surprised by this dilip-suraiya episode..dunno it was true or no,coz some writers just wrote all these things to get attention like inder mohan,who wrote so called biographies of meena kumari n rekha


I think it is true bcoz I have read about it in other sources too... Also the film Janwar still remains incomplete and Suraiya was quoted as saying "Mai Kisi Janwar kai saath kaam nahin karoun gi"... I wish we could all see the incomplete print of this film... where Dilip was ... laugh.gif laugh.gif

And Inaam thanks for the info...
jassi
i could not stop laughing when i read abt suraiya's mother that arre beta inko bhi ek jubilee de do..

correct me guys i heard or read somewhere that nargis and suraiya's mothers were courtesans..
maheshks
If K Asif was perfectionist then it was a case of poor acting by Dilip Kumar
who could not perform satisfactorily even after so many retakes....was
he such a poor actor?

The other point that comes to my mind is that if he was uncomfortable
doing the scene why he could not tell K Asif....was he such a weak
personality?

If he was doing that deliberately then suraiyya was correct in branding him.
nasir
QUOTE(maheshks @ May 17 2007, 11:06 PM) *

If K Asif was perfectionist then it was a case of poor acting by Dilip Kumar
who could not perform satisfactorily even after so many retakes....was
he such a poor actor?

The other point that comes to my mind is that if he was uncomfortable
doing the scene why he could not tell K Asif....was he such a weak
personality?

If he was doing that deliberately then suraiyya was correct in branding him.



It was not the case of poor acting by Dilip Kumar. Maybe Suraiya did not give proper expressions desired by K. Asif Sahaab. At the same time it has to be remembered that Suraiya was more of a better singer than actor.


NASIR.
maheshks
I know you are a fan of Dilip Kumar...your comments are not free from bias...
Donot try to protect him. laugh.gif

Read my comments once again...read it properly ...

Do you agree with the two situations/questions I posed?
Do you think it is true or possible?...ponder over it
analyse with cool mind... donot jump to conclusions.






























If the answer is no....then the episode is not true.
YaarMere
QUOTE(maheshks @ May 17 2007, 07:51 PM) *

Donot try to protect him. laugh.gif


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Seen Ganga Jumna? In real life, Nasir Khan was "Ganga". You know that dont you? Usse pata chal gaya na ke Dilip ko tang kar rahe ho woh qabar apni se nikal aaya ga. Jaante nahin ho tum ke Nasir Khan kis mahlook ka naam hai aur meri baat maano na hi jaano toh accha.
jassi
guys its abt actresses
and one should not think that his fav is saint..
actors are also like us..
i take intrest in only yesteryear stars's personal life(past),but i dont care abt present day stars's personal life..all i like to know abt their films..
noorie
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can anyone tell something more about begum para


Begum Para was a B-Grade actress mostly paired with Sheikh Mukhtar in films like Ustad Pedro etc. After partition she along with Mehboob Khan and some other established film stars visited Karachi-Pakistan to see if the condition was right to work there. But seeing the non-existent film industry they all went back to India. Although Mehboob Khan's younger brother Pyare Khan and Begum Para's sister stayed back. Here is the detailed interview of Begum Para

MS OOMPH - by V Gangadhar

Somewhere in 1953, Fort Cochin in Kerala was hit by a bomb. I was then in school there and thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

The bomb was called Begum Para. And it came packaged in a Hindi film, Ustad Pedro, produced and directed by the then well-known actor, Sheikh Mukhtar. Mukhtar was tall, well-built and ruggedly handsome. But he had very stiff competition in Begum Para, unanimously acknowledged to be Bollywood's sex bomb.

The film magazines called her the oomph girl, the girl with 'it'. Whatever she had, Para set my blood flowing. She had sultry, come-hither looks, an eye-popping figure, one she was not afraid to show off. She wore trousers, tight dresses and danced enticingly to the tunes of western music.

Ustad Pedro was a fun film. It was packed with action, romance, stunts and, of course, that wonderful, curvaceous woman. As Sheikh Mukhtar carried off the prized heroine at the end of the film, all the boys watching the film sighed enviously.

Hindi screen had its quota of women with smouldering good looks, who dressed seductively and who were ready to respond positively to a pass from the admiring male. But such women were normally cast as vamps because most heroines had to look virginal and god-fearing and play second fiddle to the heroes.

Not Begum Para. Her sexuality on the screen was electric. Film magazines of those days wrote endlessly about the frank utterances and open lifestyles of Begim Para and her sister-in-law, Protima Dasgupta. She was not a hypocrite, she always called a spade a spade.

I learnt this when I dropped in at her small flat in suburban Versova. The cool breeze from the sea was welcome, but not the stench of drying fish. The drawing room was full of photographs. Of Para's late husband Nasir Khan, her two sons and daughter. There are books everywhere. Enid Blyton for the grand-daughter along with classics -- theIliad, the Odyssey, the works of D H Lawrence as well as pulp fiction by Ludlum and Collins.

The passage of time had taken its toll. Begum Para had bloated up, the hair has greyed and she moved around with difficulty. There was little sign of who she once was. But once she began to speak, the old magic reappeared like abracadbra.

She had endured a lot in recent years. Nasir Khan died in 1974. He was just 49 and she had to bring up three children on her own. For years there was a long misunderstanding with her brother-in-law Dilip Kumar (she refused to talk about it) and the family bungalow on upmarket Carter Road had to be sold. One son, Ayub, works in films (he was most recently seen in Mrityudand), another son and her daughter are in advertising. Life had not been easy for the family, but then Begum Para, by all accounts, had always been a fighter.

The early days, though, were peaceful and happy. The family came from Jalandhar but moved to Bikaner, where her father Mian-Ehsan-Ul-Haque became the chief justice. The family was large, 10 in all, but they had lots of fun and the indulgent parents often joined in.

Para went to school and then college at Aligarh. Hostel life was quite pleasant. While sticking to tradition, her family was quite broad-minded. "We never wore purdah or anything like that," she explains.

"We were allowed to watch films and I enjoyed the experience." One of her earliest heroes, was the debonair Motilal. "I wrote fan letters to him, and he always replied. Later, when I joined films, we became good friends."

Still in her early teens, Begum Para came to Bombay to spend her holidays with sister-in-law Protima Dasgupta who was already acting in films like Court Dancer. Her home was frequented by film people. Perky, pretty Para invited instant attention and producers promptly offered her roles. Dasgupta persuaded her to accept some of the offers.

"My family was not very happy," recalls Para. "But finally, Protima and I convinced them." Born plain Para, she added a Begum to her name.

Thus it was that a nervous, excited, young girl of 17 faced the camera for the first time in her life on the sets of Chand. Her co-star was Prem Adib, a famous hero in those days. The film was shot at Prabhat Studio in Pune and was a family social.

"Oh, I had no acting experience at all," she laughs. "But director B D Kashyap was very understanding and patient, and made me feel at ease."

Did you have any love scenes, I asked. "Oh, very innocent ones," she smiled. "The lead pair looked at each other, sang songs and perhaps held hands. Films in those days were so different. But everyone on the sets, including Prem Adib, were very co-operative."

Chand was fairly successful. Para did not look back and settled down to a film career in Bombay, sharing a flat with her sister-in-law at Worli Sea Face. From 1945, for over 10 years, she made several movies -- Sohini Mahiwal, Mehendi, Shama, Pedro, Dada, Dara, the last three with the swashbuckling Sheikh Mukhtar. The films did well at the box office.

"I played emotional roles and also essayed roles of fashionable women," she remembers. The "it" image was a big thing in those days. Para often wore pants and jeans, dressed provocatively and championed an unconventional lifestyle. Naturally, she was regularly featured in film magazines.

"I had a good figure, and I knew I had one," she laughed. "And if the magazines wanted to feature me in provocative poses, I did not mind".

While her career was going strong, she met Nasir Khan (Dilip Kumar's brother) on the sets of Lootera. Nasir had made a name for himself with some good films with Nutan. "We liked each other, but it was not love at first sight."

They began meeting more often and got married in 1958. Did their families support the marriage, I asked.

"Oh, we were old enough to do what we wanted." she replied diplomatically.

Nasir Khan did not want her to act and she quit the screen. "I was quite happy to stay at home and look after the family," she says. Nasir Khan had a heart condition which he chose to neglect, and a heart attack claimed him in 1974.

It was a shattering blow and she had to face the crisis alone. For about 18 months, she went to Karachi and lived with her sister, who had settled down in Pakistan. "But India was my home and I was back to bring up my children," she explained.

It was then she missed her work in films. As long as Nasir Khan was alive, life had been smooth. But now many adjustments had to be made. But she managed to bring up her children and settle them in life.

Looking back on her career in films, she says she had not taken it very seriously. "It was fun and interesting while it lasted."

She cherished her friendships formed during those days. Nargis and Geeta Bali were close friends. So were, Motilal, Nimmi, Nirupa Roy, Nadira, Shyama and Manorama.

A couple of days before our meeting. Nirupa, Nimmi and Shyama had dropped in for a chat. "We meet quite often," laughed Begum Para. "We talk, gossip, laugh... They are wonderful people". While I was chatting with her, the telephone rang. It was another friend, kathak queen Sitara Devi. They agreed to meet later that evening.

She thinks highly of Motilal, Dilip Kumar, Amitabh Bachchan and Naseeruddin Shah. Among today's heroines, she says Kajol is the best. "Oh, that girl lights up the screen with her presence," she exclaims.

It was time to leave. We had chatted for nearly two hours. But I was certain about one thing. In my book of interesting people she goes down as Genuine Stuff!


Thanks Ummer.
Has anyone read Khushwant Singh’s autobiography, Truth, Love and a Little Malice ?
There's a very interesting rolleyes.gif account of Begum Para while she was living in Karachi.

Noorie



Yeah share it plzzz.... is it something bad? tongue1.gif


You could say so! tongue1.gif

Ummer, Sb fan, Reeth and everyone else who frequents this thread, here's that account of writer Khushwant Singh's meeting with yesteryears' siren Begum Para that i promised you.

The reason I took this long is because I had to type it all from the book Truth, love & a little malice.

Well anyway, here's Khushwant Singh with his version of the Truth! rolleyes.gif

Noorie

Begum Para one time super vamp of the Indian screen had put on a lot of weight after she married Nasir Khan ( brother of super star Yusuf, alias Dilip Kumar) and borne him two beautiful children, a daughter and a son. Her husband died leaving her with very little beside a flat in Bandra and a couple of films. She felt she had a right to some of the millions that her brother-in-law was making.She also had a considerable inheritance in Pakistan waiting to be claimed by her. I met her through Rukhsana Sultana, her sister’s daughter. I saw quite a lot of Begum Para and her children in Bombay. Mnay Sunday mornings the family joined me at the Gymkhana Club bathing pool to swim and have breakfast. Begum Para often brought up the question of money. If anyone could loan her Rs 40 –50,000 she could have her old films re-screened and make a fortune. I didn’t take the hint.
In sheer desperation she migrated to Pakistan to stake her claim to her inheritance. Twoe of her brothers were in high places, one a minister in Bhutto’s govt. It didn’t take her long to discover that her relatives were not willing to part with anything, and she was on weak ground having earlier opted for India. She earned a little by flogging films she had brought with her and appearing on TV. Her children were unhappy. After the free and easy atmosphere of Bombay, the girl who was rapidly growing into a beautiful young lady, found the puritanical atmosphere of Pakistan very stifling. Begum Para wrote me several letters asking for help in returning to India. I werote back that I would be coming to Karachi soon and we could talk over the matter.

I arrived in Karachi early in the evening. Begum Para nad her children were there at the airport to receive me. So was the Chief of Protocol – because I was a guest of the govt. We were conducted to the V.I.P.lounge. The children had their fill of cakes and biscuits and were sent home. Begum Para aceepted my invitation to dine with me at the hotel where I was to stay the night, before catching the morning flight o Islamabad. The Chief of Protocol dropped us at my hotel. Begum Para came with me to my room. I ordered soda and ice and took out the bottle of Scotch I had brought with me. At that time there was no prohibition in Pakistan. I had heard stories about Begum Para’s drink problem. She had to cut down on it because of the price:a bottle of Scotch cost twice as much in Pakistan as it did in India. ‘Would you like a drink’? I asked her, not sure whether she was still a drinking woman. ‘I’ll take a little’, she replied. ‘I haven’t seen genuine Scotch for ages.’
me to
I pored out two stiff whiskys and handed her one.We resumed talking in Punjabi. I was not halfway through my glass when I saw her’s was empty. I poured out another one for her. She tossed it down and I had to refill it before I resumed drinking my own. By the time I had finished my quota of three large whiskys, Begum Para had had nine. The bottle was almost empty. I told her we must eat soon as I had to catch the early morning flight. Reluctantly she got up to accompany the dining room

The dining room was on the first floor. We had to climb up a spiral marble staircase to get to it. The place was crowded. As usual in Pakistan, there were very few women in the room. People recognized Begum Para because of her appearances on TV. They were intrigued to see her in the company of a Sikh.
We were shown to a table for two. We ordered our meal. 'Would you like to have something to drink while waiting for your meal?’ asked the waiter. ‘Nothing for me,’ I replied and looked at Begum Para. ‘I’ll have another Scotch and soda’, she said. She had another two before soup was served. She began to slur over her words, her eyes took on a glazed look. She wanted to have yet another drink with her meal. I put my foot down firmly.

At long last the meal came to an end. I got up to assist Begum Para with her chair. She stood up, swayed a little, and collapsed on the carpet. The waiters came running to help her walk to the stairs. All eyes in the dining room were turned on us. I was doubly careful going down the spiral staircase. I gripped her fat arm and ordered her: ‘one step at a time’. We made it to the foyer. I ordered a taxi for her and waited patiently for the ordeal to be over. A taxi drew up in the portico. I gave the driver a hundred rupee note and told him to take the lady home. He recognized Begum Para and knew where she lived. I opened the rear door of the taxi and went back to help Begum Para. As she stepped forward, she missed her step and once agin collapsed on the ground, this time with a loud fart.


She sprained her ankle and began to howl with pain. ‘Hi Rabba Main Mar Gayee!’- O God I’ve killed myself. A crowd gathered.

Being a Muslim country no unrelated male would touch a woman. I did my best to haul her up to her feet. Shw was far too heavy for me. I pleaded with the cab-driver for help. My advance tip came in handy. We got her on her feet and pushed her into the seat. I slammed the door and bid her a hurried farewell.
I got through the crowd and made for my room as fast as I could.
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This is Hilarious i can't stop laughing.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif .....Trust kushwant singh to come up with something like this....No wonder Dilip kumar and she were at loggerheads... biggrin.gif


Khushwant Singh is a 'rogue'. rolleyes.gif He often lets his pen run away with him, not of course in a malicious way. rolleyes.gif

My dad has these ancient collection of the now 'laid to rest' Illustrated weekly's, about the time when he had taken over as the editor, and some of the cartoons in it by Mario Miranda are scandalous ( not by today's standards ), though ticklishly funny too. tongue1.gif
Have you ever chanced upon them Reeth? smile.gif

Noorie
jassi
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Nadia born in Mary Evans to a Scot soldier with the British army and a Greek dancer with a touring theatre company, as she moves from Australia to Bombay to Peshawar and then back to Bombay.Blonde, blue-eyed Nadia wore daring shorts and tight, sleeveless blouses. She slashed villains with her whip, jumped from rooftops, swung from chandeliers, rode galloping horses, threw men about like toys - and became one of Hindi cinema's biggest stars in the 1930s and 40s.she begins her working life as a shop girl ,secretary in a law firm, joins a touring dance troupe, does time as a variety performer in a circus and finally into movies.She was introduced to films by J B H Wadia, the founder of Wadia Movietone, that behemoth of stunt and action films in the Bombay of 1930s.Nadia did over 30 films for the Wadias in the 1930s and 40s, with names like Hunterwali, Jungle Princess, Diamond Queen and Hurricane Hansa.But with passing time stunt movies could not attracted audience becouse social films were doing well now,So Wadia too produced social film Raj Nartaki(not starring Nadia as it was not action film),but film could not do well.Its failure coincided with the break up of the Company.Nadia and Homi Wadia fell in love, carried on an affair for years, and finally married only in the late Fifties, when Nadia was almost 52 years old. Nadia Hunterwali remains, even today, one of the great icons of Indian Cinema.She passed away in 1996.

Her Performances-Lal e Yaman with( Nazir),Hunterwali with (Jaidev),Desh Deepak and Frontier Mail with (John Cawes & Jaidev),Punjab Mail,Bambaiwali,Diamond Queen with (John Cawes & Boman Shroff),Jungle Queen,Delhi xpress etc.
maheshks
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QUOTE(maheshks @ May 17 2007, 07:51 PM) *

Donot try to protect him. laugh.gif


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Seen Ganga Jumna? In real life, Nasir Khan was "Ganga". You know that dont you? Usse pata chal gaya na ke Dilip ko tang kar rahe ho woh qabar apni se nikal aaya ga. Jaante nahin ho tum ke Nasir Khan kis mahlook ka naam hai aur meri baat maano na hi jaano toh accha.


YM...Janaab Nasir Saab is from the same city where I live..I know him better than you. laugh.gif
He is one of those members whose posts I often read. In age he is very senior to me
and much experienced as well. I feel very awkward when I find that in some posts he
flows with his emotions and goes erratic which I do not want because I never expect
seasoned people to go irrational and susceptible to attack. I want them to be perfectionists...
that is why I egg them on....off and on..off and on.... biggrin.gif
Reeth
NALINI JAYWANT- Born 1926

Blessed with an extraordinarily serene face as innocent as a cherub's Nalini Jaywant was a huge star
in the fifties...
Dilip Kumar considers her the greatest actress he ever worked with,citing her instinct for grasping
the essence of a scene a second to none.Filmfare in their poll in the 1950s declared her one of the
most beautiful woman in the movies....yet when one talks of the legendery actresses of the Indian
screen, Nalini Jaywant's name hardly ever crops up, something that is grossly unfair to this extremely
good looking and multi faceted actress....
Nalini Jaywant was born in Bombay in 1926,The cousin of Famous actress Shobana Samarth.....Her first
prominent movie was mehboobs Bahen(1941), she starred in a handful of film hardly making an
impact till she was noticed in Anokha Pyaar(1948), then came more successful movies like Samadhi Sangram, Naujawan, Jadoo, Raahi ,Shikast....and she had become a top star...

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Nalini remained an important leading lady through to the mid fifties and acted opposite all the leading
actors of her time barring Raj Kapoor....Her movies were huge commercial sucesses...
Nalini left her mark with films like Samadhi and Sangram both with Ashok Kumar with whom she was
romantically involved,and went on to act in several films with him...Kafila(1952),Naubahar1952)
Saloni(1952),Sheroo and Mr.X (1957)...
She worked with directors like K.Abbas(Rahi), and Ramesh Saigal in Shikast,which is arguably
her career's best performance opposite Dilip Kumar....
Some of her memorable films

Radhika
Bahen
Anokha pyar
Samadhi
Sangram
Jaadu
Naujawan
Rahi
Shikast
Kavi
Nastik
Munimji
Railway platform
Awaz
Durgesh Nandini
Hum sab chor hai
Kaala paani
Zindgi aur hum
Bombay Race course
Toofan mein pyar kahan

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Her last Sucessful film was perhaps Raj Khosla's Kaala pAni(1958), she gave one of the best performance of her career as the nautch girl Kishori....playing a shaded character she stole a march
over the Heroine Madhubala and went on to win the Filmfare award for Best Supporting
Actress for the film.She is absolutely unforgettable in the film be it in the come-hither mujhra Nazar
Laage raaja or a she looks tearfully at Hero Dev Anand from across the room in that all time
great composition by SD Burman Hum Bekhudi mein....
Thereafter none of her films were really noteworthy with her last film being Bombay Race course
in 1965, after which she went into retirement.She made a comeback of sorts in Amitabh bachan's
Nastik where she played a blind woman....
Since then she has been living a reclusive life keeping all to herself...


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nasir
QUOTE(maheshks @ May 19 2007, 03:36 PM) *

QUOTE(YaarMere @ May 18 2007, 05:10 AM) *

QUOTE(maheshks @ May 17 2007, 07:51 PM) *

Donot try to protect him. laugh.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif
Seen Ganga Jumna? In real life, Nasir Khan was "Ganga". You know that dont you? Usse pata chal gaya na ke Dilip ko tang kar rahe ho woh qabar apni se nikal aaya ga. Jaante nahin ho tum ke Nasir Khan kis mahlook ka naam hai aur meri baat maano na hi jaano toh accha.


YM...Janaab Nasir Saab is from the same city where I live..I know him better than you. laugh.gif
He is one of those members whose posts I often read. In age he is very senior to me
and much experienced as well. I feel very awkward when I find that in some posts he
flows with his emotions and goes erratic which I do not want because I never expect
seasoned people to go irrational and susceptible to attack. I want them to be perfectionists...
that is why I egg them on....off and on..off and on.... biggrin.gif



Maheshji, I think unwittingly I’ve been made a center of a controversy when none was intended. I take it as a compliment that you often read my post. Believe me, this again is not my intention. I just believe that the show must go on, the game should be made interesting whether for entertainment or information or even misinformation. I say “misinformation” because I do know that sometimes we genuinely make mistakes, come up with some wrong statement of facts unintentionally. Fortunately HF is endowed by very capable members and stalwarts such as yourself who, when time permits, take the pain to steer the ship on the right course. I thank you for that.

Having said that, I believe that not everyone can just do away with “Emotions.” I’m emotional. I do things with my heart rather than head. I cannot dissect myself in a clinical environment and try to be a “perfectionist.” You said you find me being “erratic” in some post. I wonder where though I have some faint inklings. Emotions are my forte and I cannot be a cold, calculating perfectionist. Aren't we all different?

Some flowers bloom early and wither away early too. Some bloom late and bloom for a long time. So the age factor has nothing to do with me since I am a late bloomer. I am what is termed as 30 plus (call this as being erractic, laugh if you must!) I prefer younger people for friends of 25 to 35. I am a believer in spontaneity. Therefore, I try to avoid older people, with respects, who think they know it all. Life is a continuous learning process irrespective of whatever age one might be. When we are all in a single classroom where does the question of age comes in?

If being "emotional" is against the HF discipline, please let me know. smile.gif

NASIR.
Reeth
QUOTE(nasir @ May 20 2007, 01:20 AM) *

QUOTE(maheshks @ May 19 2007, 03:36 PM) *

QUOTE(YaarMere @ May 18 2007, 05:10 AM) *

QUOTE(maheshks @ May 17 2007, 07:51 PM) *

Donot try to protect him. laugh.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif
Seen Ganga Jumna? In real life, Nasir Khan was "Ganga". You know that dont you? Usse pata chal gaya na ke Dilip ko tang kar rahe ho woh qabar apni se nikal aaya ga. Jaante nahin ho tum ke Nasir Khan kis mahlook ka naam hai aur meri baat maano na hi jaano toh accha.


YM...Janaab Nasir Saab is from the same city where I live..I know him better than you. laugh.gif
He is one of those members whose posts I often read. In age he is very senior to me
and much experienced as well. I feel very awkward when I find that in some posts he
flows with his emotions and goes erratic which I do not want because I never expect
seasoned people to go irrational and susceptible to attack. I want them to be perfectionists...
that is why I egg them on....off and on..off and on.... biggrin.gif



Maheshji, I think unwittingly I’ve been made a center of a controversy when none was intended. I take it as a compliment that you often read my post. Believe me, this again is not my intention. I just believe that the show must go on, the game should be made interesting whether for entertainment or information or even misinformation. I say “misinformation” because I do know that sometimes we genuinely make mistakes, come up with some wrong statement of facts unintentionally. Fortunately HF is endowed by very capable members and stalwarts such as yourself who, when time permits, take the pain to steer the ship on the right course. I thank you for that.

Having said that, I believe that not everyone can just do away with “Emotions.” I’m emotional. I do things with my heart rather than head. I cannot dissect myself in a clinical environment and try to be a “perfectionist.” You said you find me being “erratic” in some post. I wonder where though I have some faint inklings. Emotions are my forte and I cannot be a cold, calculating perfectionist. Aren't we all different?

Some flowers bloom early and wither away early too. Some bloom late and bloom for a long time. So the age factor has nothing to do with me since I am a late bloomer. I am what is termed as 30 plus (call this as being erractic, laugh if you must!) I prefer younger people for friends of 25 to 35. I am a believer in spontaneity. Therefore, I try to avoid older people, with respects, who think they know it all. Life is a continuous learning process irrespective of whatever age one might be. When we are all in a single classroom where does the question of age comes in? If being "emotional" is against the HF discipline, please let me know. smile.gif

NASIR.



smile.gif I totally agree wit that Nasir.........
HumTum
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If being "emotional" is against the HF discipline, please let me know.

If you are passionate about something, why should you not be emotional? Nasirbhai, carry on. Like you say age is never a barrier for the learning process. Kudos! Keep it up. smile.gif
jassi
now this lady,nalini jaywant,i hardly watch 2-3 of her films kala pani n nastik,i was not impressed with her acting at all
in kala pani,she was having good role,but madhubala was grt,specially in second half,coz in first half she was not having much to do..

nalini was against shobhana's decision of joining films,but the she end up becoming an actress too
Reeth
QUOTE(jassi @ May 29 2007, 04:43 PM) *

now this lady,nalini jaywant,i hardly watch 2-3 of her films kala pani n nastik,i was not impressed with her acting at all
in kala pani,she was having good role,but madhubala was grt,specially in second half,coz in first half she was not having much to do..

nalini was against shobhana's decision of joining films,but the she end up becoming an actress too



In Kala Pani Nalini was good jassi, and i find Madhubala equally good acting wise besides looking breathtakingly beautiful as she always does in all her movies........
I like Nalini jayawants's Munimji,was a lighthearted fun film with great music.....
maheshks
QUOTE(nasir @ May 20 2007, 01:20 AM) *

QUOTE(maheshks @ May 19 2007, 03:36 PM) *

QUOTE(YaarMere @ May 18 2007, 05:10 AM) *

QUOTE(maheshks @ May 17 2007, 07:51 PM) *

Donot try to protect him. laugh.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif
Seen Ganga Jumna? In real life, Nasir Khan was "Ganga". You know that dont you? Usse pata chal gaya na ke Dilip ko tang kar rahe ho woh qabar apni se nikal aaya ga. Jaante nahin ho tum ke Nasir Khan kis mahlook ka naam hai aur meri baat maano na hi jaano toh accha.


YM...Janaab Nasir Saab is from the same city where I live..I know him better than you. laugh.gif
He is one of those members whose posts I often read. In age he is very senior to me
and much experienced as well. I feel very awkward when I find that in some posts he
flows with his emotions and goes erratic which I do not want because I never expect
seasoned people to go irrational and susceptible to attack. I want them to be perfectionists...
that is why I egg them on....off and on..off and on.... biggrin.gif



Maheshji, I think unwittingly I’ve been made a center of a controversy when none was intended. I take it as a compliment that you often read my post. Believe me, this again is not my intention. I just believe that the show must go on, the game should be made interesting whether for entertainment or information or even misinformation. I say “misinformation” because I do know that sometimes we genuinely make mistakes, come up with some wrong statement of facts unintentionally. Fortunately HF is endowed by very capable members and stalwarts such as yourself who, when time permits, take the pain to steer the ship on the right course. I thank you for that.

Having said that, I believe that not everyone can just do away with “Emotions.” I’m emotional. I do things with my heart rather than head. I cannot dissect myself in a clinical environment and try to be a “perfectionist.” You said you find me being “erratic” in some post. I wonder where though I have some faint inklings. Emotions are my forte and I cannot be a cold, calculating perfectionist. Aren't we all different?

Some flowers bloom early and wither away early too. Some bloom late and bloom for a long time. So the age factor has nothing to do with me since I am a late bloomer. I am what is termed as 30 plus (call this as being erractic, laugh if you must!) I prefer younger people for friends of 25 to 35. I am a believer in spontaneity. Therefore, I try to avoid older people, with respects, who think they know it all. Life is a continuous learning process irrespective of whatever age one might be. When we are all in a single classroom where does the question of age comes in?

If being "emotional" is against the HF discipline, please let me know. smile.gif
NASIR.


Lesson No. 1 : To go astray because of emotions, more often then not, brings the
downfall of a person howsoever great he may be.

Lesson No. 2 : To commit frequent mistakes under emotions is a sign of poor personality.

Lesson No.3 : In your life do not act or follow a comet.....which shines and shines brightly
but within a short span of time....is relegated to the realm of obscurity.
Rely and try to become like a Pole Star...which shows the right path
year after year and never faulters or leaves its followers in the lurch.

NB : No further discussions and let us follow the thread as per its topic.
Reeth
MADHBALA - (February 14 1933 - February 23 1969)

The name itself invokes so much enigma, that its just overwhelming....Madhubala, the Venus of the East
The most beautiful woman to adorn the Hindi film screen,Madhubala represents the era of Beauty
Romance and Tragedy associated with Hindi films. her Beauty had child like quality.....Fragile yet
Confident, her luminous eyes,Royal gait and that bewitching smile........Thirty eight years after her
death Madhubala's inordinate allure continues to evoke legends and inspire superlatives....hers
was no ordinary beauty.In all the brouhaha about Madhubala's porcelain exquisiteness often side
stepped is the fact that she was a mature intutive actress......

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Madhbala was born Mumtaz Begum Jehan Dehlavi in Delhi the 5th child of a poor conservative Pashtun
Muslim family of 11 children.A muslim holy man is said to have predicted that the ypung Mumtaz would
earn fame and fortune, but would lead an unhappy life and die at a young age.Her father, Ataullah khan
was a coachman in Delhi migrated to Bombay searching for a better livelihood.The family struggled for
over ayear and Mumtaz entered bollywod as a child artiste under the name Baby Mumtaz...Her first film
was Basant(1942), Devika Rani was impressed by her and changed her name to Madhubala
She was to appear in Jwar bhata with Dilip Kumar in 1944, although she was unable to do
the role, it was her first meeting with Dilip Kumar...
It was Kidar Sharma who gave her a break as heroine opposite Raj kapoor in Neelkamal
in 1947.However it was with the Bombay tallkies suspense thriller Mahal(1949) that Madhubala
became a star....

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Over the next two years Madhubala blossomed into a captivating beauty,fans referred to her as the
Venus of the ndian screen..........She had spate of films opposite the leading men of the day
Ashok Kumar,Rehman,Dilip Kumar, Dev Anand.....but some of her films flopped including a major film
like Amar with Dilip Kumar, but she silencenced her critics in 1958 when 4 of her films
turned out to be superhits Phagun opposite Bharat bhushan, Howrah Bridge with Ashok Kumar, Kaala
Paani with Dev Anand and Chalti ka naam Ghadi with Kishore kumar
......
In 1951 while shooting for Tarana Madhubala got involved with the leading man Dilip Kumar.
The Madhubala - Dilip Kumar affair lasted for 7 years between 1951-1958.During this time she had an
intimate relationship with Dilip and it was widely believed that the stunning pair would eventually get
married. However, It was ended by her father in a highly emotional and publicized court case( with regard to the B.R.Chopra film 'Naya Daur).They were forcibly seperated.

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Madhbala's Heart problem was discovered in 1950 when Heart surgery was not available.Her illness
was kept a secret for many years....After her break up with Dilip Kumar she plunged into a loveless
marriage with Kishore kumar on the rebound accepting his proposal on the sets of Chalti ka naam
ghaadi,but his parents refused to attend the civil ceremony and never really
accepted her .....

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Some of her memorable films


Mahal
Dulari
Badal
Sangdil
Tarana
Armaan
Nirala
Ek saal
Sharabi
Amar
Mr. and Mrs 55
Gateway of India
Chalti ka naam ghadi
Jwala
passport
Phagun
Howrah Bridge
Kals paani
Barsaat ki Raat
Jhumroo
Mughal e azam
Half Ticket
Insaan jaag utha

In 1960 , it was Mughal-e-Azam which marked one of her Greatest performances as the doomed
courtesan Anarkali.The film showed off the finely modulated depth she could bring to her performance
if given an opportunity.It is an Outstanding performance in an Outstanding Film.
She did have some odd releases in the 1960's but she was mostly confined to bed because of her
illness.She was taken to London for Treatment, but the doctors refused to operate on her as they
thought she would die during the operation,she did survive for another year.

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In 1964 she tried to make a comeback opposite Raj kapoor in Chalack , but she collapsed
on the first day of shooting and the film was shelved.
Her illness finally claimed her life in 1969, and she was buried in Santa Cruz Burial Ground along with
her Dairy.
In this short life she made over 70 films and t this day remains one of the most enduring legends
of the Indian cinema....Even today the very mention of the name Madhubala conjures up the image
of those dancing eyes, that lopsided smile.....She is held in awe and remains an icon of beauty and
glamour to scores of her fans.........
RafiKiAwaaz
Thanks!!!! This was a another very touching piece on another unforgettable person in our lives. She was a precious jem as so many others!!!
RKA
Reeth
QUOTE(RafiKiAwaaz @ May 31 2007, 12:20 AM) *

Thanks!!!! This was a another very touching piece on another unforgettable person in our lives. She was a precious jem as so many others!!!
RKA



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Madhubala : Indian Cinema's Tragic Beauty
Khalid Hasan

The Movie industry in the subcontinent is over eighty years old.Were someone to set about finding
who among the thousands of women who have passed across this shimmering dreamland was the
most stunning, the most beautiful, there would be little difference of opinion about that woman being
Mumtaz Begum, whom the world knew by her screen name Madhubala...

She died young, nine days after her thirty-seventh birthday.The 2 most important men in her life
only brought her immense pain, though they must have loved her in his own fashion.
The First was her Father, the authoritarian, hard driving Ataullah khan who in his frenzied bid to
control her life and career does not seem to have paid much attention to the Heart condition with
which she was born and which killed her.She was the toast of India and Pakistan and wherever else
movies made in India were seen, but she was like a prisoner in her own home. She was not allowed
to meet people unless they were pre-cleared by her father, nor was she permitted to be a part of the
industry to which her whole life was dedicated.It is hard to believe that this heartthroab of millions
was a defenseless young woman tyrannised over by a harsh father.

The other man in Madhbala's life who let her down was Dilip Kumar.They were in love and once it is
said he asked her to drop everything and just come with him, but she wanted her father's permission
which ofcourse was refused.Later, Dilip Kumar to his eternal shame, appeared as a witness against her
in a bitter court battle,that broke her heart...While Dilip was testifying against her she is supposed to have
turned to har lawyer R.D.Chadha and said 'I don't believe this is the man who was so in love with me and
whom i loved more than anyone or anything else in the world'.....

Madhubala made one last attempt to reach out to Dilip Kumar. She asked their mutual friend the movie
journalist Bunny Reuben to go to Dilip and tell him,how despite the court case she still loved him....the
moment Bunny mentioned why he was there, Dilip jumped at him angrily'What Rubbish? What love?'
Feeling lost and rejected Madhubala once and only time defied her father and married Kishore Kumar.
It was a disastrous marriage,it never worked....

Nature had given her unparalleld beauty, but it had also left a hole in her heart which in the 1960's was
considered a condition that could not be repaired........
She lies in the Santa Cruz graveyard in Bombay, where among others lie Mohammad Rafi and even
her father Ataullah Khan, who can no longer tyrannise her.
She rests in peace at last, still mourned by many.....

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jassi
what a grt lady she was..
RafiKiAwaaz
Famous graveyard, though the remains of our beloved Rafi Shab and Madhubala are just dust but what a place to be buried. Yes rest in peace all, thanks for the memories!!!
RKA
jassi
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Reeth
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what a grt lady she was..


She was indeed


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Thanks jassi
Reeth
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Famous graveyard, though the remains of our beloved Rafi Shab and Madhubala are just dust but what a place to be buried. Yes rest in peace all, thanks for the memories!!!
RKA



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noorie
I prefer the poker face better. mellow.gif

Noorie
nasir
M A D H U B A L A - Thee we remember.
Thanks Reeth for those beautiful pictures of hers and also the write up.

Millions of lives have been lost just because there was no treatment for the disease at a particular point of time. Madhubala's case is in point. If we watch the old movies we get this indication. For example, in JUGNU (1946) Noor Jahan dies of T.B. There seemed to have been no cure then. It was a dreaded disease. Many old movies showed one or the other character suffering from this disease. (Geeta Bali died of Small Pox). Movies of the Seventies showed the plight of the terminable disease CANCER. And now we have AIDS - but this disease is not being projected because of the attached stigma. There was just one movie PHIR MILENGE where the heroine's (Shilpa Shetty) world turn upside down on learning that she has tested HIV Positive. That millions still die of T.B. is because of its newer deadlier form and because of AIDS. So when the cure for Cancer and AIDS is found in future, those future generations would come up with similar observations that so many lives have been lost in the past.

Now, coming back to Madhubala (now this one is like MUJHE YAAD HAI ZARA ZARA) is it true that during the last days of her illness before death Madhubala had come to Dilip Kumar's house?

NASIR.
nasir
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If being "emotional" is against the HF discipline, please let me know.

If you are passionate about something, why should you not be emotional? Nasirbhai, carry on. Like you say age is never a barrier for the learning process. Kudos! Keep it up. smile.gif


smile.gif Thanks my friend.

NASIR.
Reeth
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Reeth
QUOTE(nasir @ Jun 2 2007, 07:04 PM) *

M A D H U B A L A - Thee we remember.
Thanks Reeth for those beautiful pictures of hers and also the write up.

Millions of lives have been lost just because there was no treatment for the disease at a particular point of time. Madhubala's case is in point. If we watch the old movies we get this indication. For example, in JUGNU (1946) Noor Jahan dies of T.B. There seemed to have been no cure then. It was a dreaded disease. Many old movies showed one or the other character suffering from this disease. (Geeta Bali died of Small Pox). Movies of the Seventies showed the plight of the terminable disease CANCER. And now we have AIDS - but this disease is not being projected because of the attached stigma. There was just one movie PHIR MILENGE where the heroine's (Shilpa Shetty) world turn upside down on learning that she has tested HIV Positive. That millions still die of T.B. is because of its newer deadlier form and because of AIDS. So when the cure for Cancer and AIDS is found in future, those future generations would come up with similar observations that so many lives have been lost in the past.

Now, coming back to Madhubala (now this one is like MUJHE YAAD HAI ZARA ZARA) is it true that during the last days of her illness before death Madhubala had come to Dilip Kumar's house?
NASIR.


I am not sure about the fact, but going by all accounts Madhubala never got over Dilip Kumar, and had he accepted her, she would have gladly married him......she married Kishore Kumar only after Dilip and Saira got married...........To be fair to Dilip Kumar.....He is supposed to have gone to her film sets and asked her to go with him , that a qazi was waiting at his home to perform the 'Nikhaa', but she was too timid to do so, and could never go against her Father's wishes, so she is supposed to have refused, this broke his heart and all else that followed was because of his bitterness towards her....
nasir
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QUOTE(nasir @ Jun 2 2007, 07:04 PM) *

M A D H U B A L A - Thee we remember.
Thanks Reeth for those beautiful pictures of hers and also the write up.

Millions of lives have been lost just because there was no treatment for the disease at a particular point of time. Madhubala's case is in point. If we watch the old movies we get this indication. For example, in JUGNU (1946) Noor Jahan dies of T.B. There seemed to have been no cure then. It was a dreaded disease. Many old movies showed one or the other character suffering from this disease. (Geeta Bali died of Small Pox). Movies of the Seventies showed the plight of the terminable disease CANCER. And now we have AIDS - but this disease is not being projected because of the attached stigma. There was just one movie PHIR MILENGE where the heroine's (Shilpa Shetty) world turn upside down on learning that she has tested HIV Positive. That millions still die of T.B. is because of its newer deadlier form and because of AIDS. So when the cure for Cancer and AIDS is found in future, those future generations would come up with similar observations that so many lives have been lost in the past.


Now, coming back to Madhubala (now this one is like MUJHE YAAD HAI ZARA ZARA) is it true that during the last days of her illness before death Madhubala had come to Dilip Kumar's house?
NASIR.


I am not sure about the fact, but going by all accounts Madhubala never got over Dilip Kumar, and had he accepted her, she would have gladly married him......she married Kishore Kumar only after Dilip and Saira got married...........To be fair to Dilip Kumar.....He is supposed to have gone to her film sets and asked her to go with him , that a qazi was waiting at his home to perform the 'Nikhaa', but she was too timid to do so, and could never go against her Father's wishes, so she is supposed to have refused, this broke his heart and all else that followed was because of his bitterness towards her....



That's a very pertinent info Reeth. Thanks.

It does appear that Dilip Kumar was truly in love with Madhubala. At this instance I'm reminded of a scene from MUGHAL-E-AZAM where Prince Salim slaps Anarkali thinking that the latter has betrayed him for wordly gains. And, despite the hard slap, she actually smiles knowingly, reassured of his passionate love. A similar real-life situation must have taken place between them.

NASIR.
maheshks
Vanmala passed on 29th May in the age of 92 years. May God rest her soul in piece.

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Vanmala passed on 29th May in the age of 92 years. May God rest her soul in piece.

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Vanmala Devi was a winner of the President's Award for best actress...
Born as Susheela devi pawar in 1915,she adopted the screen name Vanmala devi and acted in several marathi and hindi films.

She began her film career at the age of 21, when she was already a graduate and teacher.Her dreamy eyes won her the role of Roxana in Minerva movietone's blockbuster"Sikander" starring Sohrab modi and Prithviraj kapoor.
She was a staunsh nationalist and deeply involved in the freedom movement...
Even at the age of 92, she was running a school to train children in traditional Indian arts and culture.
Vanmala, who had been suffering from cancer, had undergone an operation about three months ago.
She died in Gwalior on Tuesday, May 29th , 2007.
She is survived by a brother N.R.Pawar.....
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