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preet
i got to know that J.P. Dutta is going to make a remake of the famous, superhit movie Umraao Jaan and the Umrao jaan of this movie is going to be Aishwarya Rai.... ohmy.gif

now this is something very very indigestible to me.... Aishwarya will never ever suit this role not because i personally dont like her but because if people know the story of Umrao Jaan they will know that she will be just the opposite of what Umrao Jaan looked like... doh.gif
In the original movie Rekha did a wonderful job of portraying the most famous prostitute of Lucknow not only acting wise but looks wise too...

ok for those who dont know… Umrao Jaan was actually a girl from Faizabaad, her real name was Ameeran she belonged to a poor Muslim family her uncle or someone from her village abducted her and sold her to a pimp... this person had another abducted girl with him and he took both the girls to Lucknow city.
this fella then went to a Nawab's palace where the lady of the house wanted a daughter so she bought the other girl who was a fair, simple looking kid...rejecting Ameeran because though she had good features she was not fair and was not fitting into the family of fair beautiful nawabs... and thus by the twist of faith she was bought by a Prostitute so she became a courtesan instead and because she grew up to be a beauty she soon became the most famous one of them all....
in the course of time because of the British government she had to fled back to Faizabaad where she was reunited with her mom and Brother but her brother rejected her and she had to go back….
preet
For some assignment a few months back I went to the Phoolwali gali (or the thandi gali) in Chowk, Lucknow (the area where these Courtesans lived) and clicked some pictures of the old dilapidated buildings.

In the pic you can see the house where Umrao Jaan lived… its now almost in ruins and the man who claims to owe the house now (let me tell you I had a major fight with this man he wasn’t allowing me to take the pics but I took it anyways tongue.gif ) is going to knock it down soon… sad1.gif
gkshyam
Wasn't aware of that story Preety...... Thanks for sharing that.....and good pic too......The house/building seems completely neglected.......Did no one live there after Ameeran??? unsure.gif

And does the street.....(Phoolwali/Thandi Gali) still house courtesans & prostitutes? Or is it that....there's no such activity now....but the name just stuck??? unsure.gif
deewani
I wish they would stop messing with classics. That movie is flawless IMHO. Thanks for the pic and trivia - very interesting.
preet
As far as the public and the government is concerned no... there are no more prostitutes there and yes the name stuck… all the houses have been turned into shops you remember AB's niche paan ki dukaan uppar gori ka makaan tongue.gif they have their house above their shop but the activities still take place under cover now... smile1.gif
i had to go inside some of the houses too to click the pics and not everyone was cooperative a lady did cooperate she introduced the women there as her daughter or daughter in laws and im not sure if it was the truth or not unsure.gif and none of them allowed me to take their pics

gkshyam
Sawaal hi nahin uthtaa....cent percent they werent her daughters or d-i-l's....hehehe... wink2.gif smile1.gif And yes....there's no way these activities will stop...... no doubt they go on.... under cover yah over cover....koi farak nahi padhta re... wink2.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif Btw .....what was your project...with 'these' connections??? unsure.gif Is it the same Lucknow-heritage-promotion thing??? or something more to it, that you had to visit thse areas, and talk to people & get pics????
preet
no it was not the lko heritage conservation thing though this was done at the time keeping in mind this final project.... actually i had to make an awareness campaign for AIDS and for the TVC i needed to shoot a typical prostitute area i wasnt comfortable doing that in Delhi so i came to my own city for the pics and the case study smile1.gif
NATURE
This is wonderful Preety Ji ... U have such a good taste, I didn't know. I love doing these things and
Love people who have the same. Unfortunately, I couldn't do. ( Afsos rahegaa agar kar nahi paayaa to ) ..
Keep up doing these type of things, don't take it as a suggestion, take it as an inspiration of doing
Good works .. Will u share these type of photos/yr xperience with us ( me at least ? ) ... My curiosity about u
Is increased after this. Will u plz tell me more about yr work ? ... Well regarding the movie, Rekha
Ji did a complete job both as acting and in looking. I don't know about Ash's Acting skill but looking
Wise ? .. don't think she can create the image of that Lady in her ... I don't know why they try to
Remake the classic movies ? What they want to show and want to do ?
( Rekha Ji, I miss yr Talent and Looks .. God Bless U )
IDOL
ohhhh no Aish..........she's good in masoom type roles............get other girls
preet
i think Sushmita Sen will suit the role... what say??? vaise i agree with JKD and Nature Classics should not be messed with... sad1.gif
deewani
QUOTE(preety @ Aug 12 2005, 11:11 PM)
i think Sushmita Sen will suit the role... what say??? vaise i agree with JKD and Nature Classics should not be messed with... sad1.gif
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Arre preety, aaj hi hum bol rahe thay, is post ko dekh kar - ke thodi milte hai Rekha se. Never noticed it before that screen capture.

Chalo, aap ki post ke bahaane hum ne aaj phir woh CD tau enjoy kiya, probably for the millionth time, lol! Akele mein raat ko gaadi chalate waqt aisi CD saath mein zaroor honi chahiye.
Bawra Jay
Good job for the picture... There was a famous book on Umrao Jaan.... ,I dont remember the title as have read it long back... I think the movie is also made from that book.... I happen to get chance to see one episode of Umrao Jaan on ARY or GEO , some channel from Dubai.. at a friend's place here in USA.... I felt the serial was pretty good.. lots of facts and details on her life.....

Did you knew , Priyanka was initially chosen for the role... but with her tight schedule or something JP Dutta dropped her idea and went for AISH.. yuckkk will never see that movie tongue.gif but might have to change the mind... isnt Abhishek the hero in that movie tongue.gif ....



preet
o-o!!! is he?? phir to kya pataa AB bhi ho!!! will have to see it then tongue.gif
Priyanka would have been a good choice too it needs some darkish girl
preet
QUOTE(Zaira @ Aug 13 2005, 12:17 PM)
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How about Bipasha Basu?  dry.gif  dry.gif

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blab.gif bips for a Courtesans role... now that movie i wont see!!! even if it has AB in 11 different roles!!!! poseur.gif
vivekpm
From the time I have seen Umrao Jaan, I have always wished Madhuri Dixit to do this role. But that never happened.

From the current generation heroines, I don't see anyone perfectly fitting this role. Rani Mukherjee can give it a shot.

Cheers,
preet
ab Zaira hum kuch bhi keh le role to Aish hi karegi!!! tongue.gif but never in thousand years can they repeat the magic of the original!!!! the music by Khayyam, the singing by Asha ji and the acting by Rekha , Farokh sheqh, Nasiruddin Shah.... the magic can never be recreated!!!
preet
QUOTE(vivekpm @ Aug 13 2005, 12:29 PM)
From the time I have seen Umrao Jaan, I have always wished Madhuri Dixit to do this role. But that never happened.
Cheers,
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i share your feeling.... i just wished she were still around acting.... MD would have been perfect for the role... sad1.gif
preet
QUOTE(Bawra Jay @ Aug 13 2005, 12:09 PM)
There was a famous book on Umrao Jaan.... ,I dont remember the title as have read it long back...
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Umrao Jaan Ada, considered by many the first modern Indian novel, was written at the end of the 19th Century by Mirza Hadi Ruswa (1858-1931). The novel concerns the famous real-life courtesan, Umrao Jaan, who as an old woman narrated her life story to Ruswa. The girl Amiran, later named Umrao Jaan, had been kidnapped and brought to Lucknow in childhood by two criminals, who sold her to the grand madame Khanum.
Khanum's house was frequented by all of the aristocrats and nawabs of Lucknow, who often threw their entire fortunes away on the sophisticated and talented courtesans. Umrao was taught to sing and dance in the classical Indian style called "Kathak" and soon showed talent as a poetess of ghazals. Her artistry won her the favor of some of the richest nawabs in Lucknow, whose manners and lifestyles are portrayed in depth in the novel.
In 1857, the "Mutiny" or first war of independence against the British took place. Lucknow, which had been annexed by the British only a few years ealier, was the scene of one of the main battles, and never recovered its glory thereafter. After the Mutiny, Umrao Jaan lost her livelihood, and the second part of the novel deals with her attempts to find security in uncertain times. At one point she returns home, only to be rejected cruelly by her family. The novel's main strength is in its portrayal of the golden age of mid-19th Century Lucknow, and its frank discussion of the moral hypocrisy of Indian society.
In Ruswa's novel, Umrao Jaan herself can be seen as a symbol of India, and the suitors that flock around her as images of the British. Captivated by her youth, beauty, wealth, and culture, her suitors seek to possess her, and ultimately to exploit her.
NATURE
Preety Ji , aapki Big B ke Abhishek Bachchan padhar rahe hai: Naye roop , naye andaaz mein ..
Abhishek to represent love in all its facets , check TIMES OF INDIA
Thanks for the Article !!!
preet
QUOTE(NATURE @ Aug 13 2005, 03:10 PM)
Preety Ji , aapki Big B ke Abhishek Bachchan padhar rahe hai: Naye roop , naye andaaz mein ..
Abhishek to represent love in all its facets , check TIMES OF INDIA
Thanks for the Article !!!
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thank you Nature for the link.... smile1.gif it will be interesting watching him in a romantic poets role like his papa he seems to suit angry young man roles but to become a versatile, superstar he will have to do this kind of roles too remember Kabhi kabhie??? smile1.gif
vivekpm
I think Small B has it in him to do such roles... Way to go I would say thumbs-up.gif

Cheers,
Bawra Jay
QUOTE(preety @ Aug 13 2005, 03:11 AM)
Umrao Jaan Ada, considered by many the first modern Indian novel, was written at the end of the 19th Century by Mirza Hadi Ruswa (1858-1931).  The novel concerns the famous real-life courtesan, Umrao Jaan, who as an old woman narrated her life story to Ruswa.  The girl Amiran, later named Umrao Jaan, had been kidnapped and brought to Lucknow in childhood by two criminals, who sold her to the grand madame Khanum.
    Khanum's house was frequented by all of the aristocrats and nawabs of Lucknow, who often threw their entire fortunes away on the sophisticated and talented courtesans.  Umrao was taught to sing and dance in the classical Indian style called "Kathak" and soon showed talent as a poetess of ghazals.  Her artistry won her the favor of some of the richest nawabs in Lucknow, whose manners and lifestyles are portrayed in depth in the novel.
    In 1857, the "Mutiny" or first war of independence against the British took place.  Lucknow, which had been annexed by the British only a few years ealier, was the scene of one of the main battles, and never recovered its glory thereafter.  After the Mutiny, Umrao Jaan  lost her livelihood, and the second part of the novel deals with her attempts to find security in uncertain times.  At one point she returns home, only to be rejected cruelly by her family.  The novel's main strength is in its portrayal of the golden age of mid-19th Century Lucknow, and its frank discussion of the moral hypocrisy of Indian society.
    In Ruswa's novel, Umrao Jaan herself can be seen as a symbol of India, and the suitors that flock around her as images of the British.  Captivated by her youth, beauty, wealth, and culture, her suitors seek to possess her, and ultimately to exploit her.
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Yes this was the one , actually around 1996 this was re-published in english version ... some guy david something had translated and reproduced in English.. Warna Urdu likhna hamein kaha aati hain sad1.gif .... Koi seekhane wala bhi nahi cry.gif .....
IDOL
woooooooooooow Abishek.........he's awesome guy.........i didn't use to like him.........when i saw his DUS..........and bunty and bubly .............i can say that he can be a comedian like his dad.............and angry man too............which's hard for other actors............i agree if Abeshek is , the guy who luved umra jaan.........but NOOOOOOOO AISH................NOOOOOOOOO Bipasha...........caoz Bipasha is modern type sexy............she can play modern type pros.......................but not classic............caoz if u see umra jaan........she has masoomyat too which is NOT in Bipasha..........she's good to be in modern Pros. type roles.......caoz in the classic Pros. type movies they dun have to show off their body tongue.gif ..........then Bipasha with fully covered dress will look weird........i wish they would get Madhuriiiiiiiiii.......oh she would have been so perfect
preet
i wish too Madhuri could have done this role but lets be realistic she will look like an older sister if not mom with Abhishek opposite her welll now if it were to be AB opposite her it would have been a dream come true to me blink1.gif
IDOL
opssssss, preety gal

ur right..........they can be paired........would look as a older sis.........but if they use magic of make up.........and reduce level of her age......... tongue.gif ..........but Abishek is not very young looking.........somehow he has big body........maybe that's why..........but WE , bollywood fans , know alaready that there's huge difference of age..............what if they get Sanjay Dut there or Akshay Kumar .......or the one and ONLY............King Khan
NATURE
Wait a minute , wait a minute Preety Ji ... what is yr Dream that will come true ? ...
Yeah, Bips is not for that role. She can play the role of a Seductress, but that emotion
And acting skill ? if she could then she has to go to Drama School before that and change her look .
Madhuri Ji has skill so she can do but what was the age of that Lady who was Umraao Jaan ?
If she was around 20 or 25 and for acting skill if we hire Madhuri Ji then a remake will not be a classic
Like its previous version, rite ? to make it a classic again The Director has to choose sombody
WHo is complete in acting and in look, both .... WIsh a remake will be classic again. Who doesn't
Want good and better outcomes ?
preet
yessssss Akshay Kumar my second best choice tongue.gif Khobi do something make J P Dutta understand Madhuri is just the one for the role sad1.gif
tongue.gif
IDOL
preety gal


if we do so................would we be able to make her husband let her start her career again???????.........if not then? sad1.gif
NATURE
I haven't got the answer from Preety Ji sad1.gif ...
About Madhuri Ji, she is able to give the best outcome !!! Will she come to do it ?
preet
QUOTE(KHOBI @ Aug 15 2005, 12:07 AM)
preety gal


if we do so................would we be able to make her husband let her start her career again???????.........if not then? sad1.gif
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smile1.gif yes Khobi he will... i read in some of her interviews that Her husband Shree Raam Nene has no problem with her working in movies and once her kids are a bit grown up she will resume her work... also read somewhere that some directors who wanted to start a movie with her have shelved there project just because they dont want any other actress in her place.... smile1.gif
oh by the way have you niticed in most of the hit songs of Madhuri Dixit the word Raam ji has been repeatedly used... was it fate that her Husband's name is Raam??? tongue.gif
preet
QUOTE(NATURE @ Aug 15 2005, 12:13 AM)
I haven't got the answer from Preety Ji  sad1.gif  ...
About Madhuri Ji, she is able to give the best outcome !!! Will she come to do it ?
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how would i know that sad1.gif there has been no news about her for some time now... or maybe i havent come across any... sad1.gif
IDOL
u know ..........she's done a good job........by marrying such a handsome, open minded, well educated..............only boys like him deserve her.........i'd heard that sanjay dut wanned to marry her..........no idea , if it's right or wrong......but i can't wait to see her again
preet
not her its her family who found the guy for her its an arranged marriage smile1.gif
there was this rumor about an affair between Madhuri and Sanjay Dutt and there was another rumor that Rajeev Kapoor (rishi kapoor's older brother) wanted to marry Madhuri Dixit he had even put a large size Photograph of Mads in his bedroom at that time tongue.gif
IDOL
QUOTE(preety @ Aug 15 2005, 09:16 AM)
not her its her family who found the guy for her its an arranged marriage smile1.gif
there was this rumor about an affair between Madhuri and Sanjay Dutt and there was another rumor that Rajeev Kapoor (rishi kapoor's older brother) wanted to marry Madhuri Dixit he had even put a large size Photograph of Mads in his bedroom at that time tongue.gif
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now is rajev , an uncle? or a boy to dream about madhuri.........even i consider sanjay as an uncle for madhuri.......she's not that old to marry 40s..............well, she's married now anyways tongue.gif
NATURE
My Long Term wish will become true ... Wanted to see all these Great Historical Characetrs in movies:

1. "Shah Jahan" , "Mumtaz"
2. "Jhansi ki Rani Laxmi Baai"
3. "Prithviraj Chauhan" ...

I was them all a long back in TV serials like "MAIN DILLI HOON" and a few more ...
First 1 is going to be released soon "TAJ MAHAL" .. don't know how will it be, but would like to watch ...
About the other 2 movies, I don't have any Idea how they will play the roles. I heard 2 persons were
Nominated for RAJ KUMAR SANTOSHI'S Prithviraj Chauhan .. "AJAY DEVGAN" and "SUNNY DEOL" ..
SUNNY got more priority ..
Similarly "KETAN MEHTA" after "THE RISING" is going to launch "ASH" as "LAXMI BAAI" ..
Can they play the roles skillfully ? ... very curious to know .. hope for the best
Anybody knows ? wants share something ? ....
Nimii
Ketan Mehta MP was doh.gif ayyoooooooooooooooooooooooo I think Ashtosh Gowrikar would have done a better job of directing sad.gif

MP was a complete let down for me headbang.gif

N headbang.gif
NATURE
NAMASTE MADAM JI ... I agree with u, u r rite. Ashutosh Gowariker is better for
Such movies like Historical ones. Ketan Mehta is not that bad. I think u r considering "THE RISING" ..
I guess there was nothing much wrong from Directions, but people didn't like its Story as it starts
Somewhere and ends somewhere ... didn't show much of "MANGAL PANDEY'S" life ... is he better for
SCI-FI movies ? if u remember his TV-Serial "CAPTAIN VYOM" ... ??? anyway but I think AG can do some
Research required for those types of movies ... wanna say something ? please ....

Pranaam
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