Can the knowledgeable listeners of Indian Classical Music help me identify the ragas of the tracks that I'd upload in this thread? Feel free to use this thread for the same purpose.


For not-so-knowledgeable listeners like me, there are these wonderful uploads to listen to and enjoy.

I'd start with a sweet shiv kumar sharma (not too sure of the artist now after Shaibaal's assertion of the raga!) santoor piece 19m 59s long.

01 - Track 1.part2.rar

Raga Bhinna Shadj, I think..

Thanks Shaibaal. Do you think it could be Bhinna Kauns instead since khazana makes no mention of Bhinna Shadj by sks?

Anurag,
There is a Bhinna Shadj by Nandkishor Muley - one of Shivji's senior disciples rendered on the santoor. It does sound like Bhinna Shadj - but having said that I should confess I don't know Bhinna Kauns at all!

Shaibaal, let me upload the rest of the two tracks too from this album and see if this clears up the confusion. Where are the other gyanis of ICM?

02 - Track 2.part2.rar

And, this is the last one. Shaibaal's post has thrown the artist's name also wide open.

So, now can you tell who the artist is and which the raga is?

03 - Track 3.rar

Anurag,
In my novice opinion, track 3 sounds like a ragamalika or a "medley dhun". I could discern at least 4 different raagas. The identity of the main raaga (the recurring mukhda) is escaping me (though it sounds very familiar). There seems to be a strong scent of Puriya Dhanashri in the "raaga #2". This is most prominent between minutes 3.20 and 4.15 of the track.

I haven't heard enough Santoor be able to tell the artist from the recital.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. And please correct me if I am wrong.

Bibhas

Bibhas, with some luck, we might soon get to know what the raga is and who the maestro is. Shaibaal, any news?

Anurag,
This weekend - "source" to saath mein baith ke sun na chaahte hain...
Shaibaal.

Very cool, Shaibaal. I envy you. :-)

While you'd have this opportunity, please also find the raga info of the coming uploads in this thread as well. These are all the gats by pandit shivkumar sharma -- that much I know for sure.

01_Gat (1).part2.rar

Next gat:

01_Gat.part1.rar

01_Gat.part2.rar

Next gat:

01_Gat (2).part1.rar

01_Gat (2).part2.rar

Next gat:

01_Gat (3).part1.rar

01_Gat (3).part2.rar

Next gat: (single file)

01_Gat (4).rar

Next gat:

01_Gat (5).part1.rar

01_Gat (5).part2.rar

next gat:

01_Gat (6).part1.rar

01_Gat (6).part2.rar

The last two gats coming up each in single file.

01_Gat (7).rar

And, the last gat (I am tired!)

Bhaiyya,
Tum to khatarnak aadmi nikle!
Fortunately, we have a long weekend (Monday is a holiday)! I will get the answers with pleasure...
Regards,
Shaibaal.

Kis khushi mein???

Anurag,
I just listened to the tracks - a few minutes of each and thought it would be interesting to test myself. Here are my two cents (till such time that my ignorance is confirmed by "the source") -
Gat and Gat(1) - Kirwani
(2) - Ahir Bhairav
(3) - some Todi (probably Gujri)
(4) - Mishra Khamaj (?)
(5) - Basant
(6) - Lalit
(7) - Kalavati
(8) - he's got me there, some dhun with too many ragas thrown in for a novice like me to handle...
Shaibaal.

Shaibaal, it's always good to put oneself to test at times. I am glad you did that, however I'd fail miserably even if I tried on this test.

If you thought I was bhaiyya and that too a khatarnaak one, then try this attachement with your "source". He'd be stumped, I assure you.

Source stumping stuff.rar

(Ask me if you can't figure it out!)

About the very first 2 tracks by Anurag - it appears to be Raga Hemant and not Bhinna Shadja. The artist doesn't seem to be Shivkumar Sharma. Artist could be Bhajan Sopori or Ulhas Bapat.

Other tracks (All by Pt Shivkumar Sharma)

01_Gat 1 Kirwani
01_Gat (2) Ahirbhairav
01_Gat (3) Gujari Todi incomplete.mp3
01_Gat (4) is in Shivkumar Sharma's Golden Collection and is an incomplete part of Track 2 Dhun in the Raga Mishra Mand Taal Khemta (Tabla Shafat Ahmed Khan)


Gat No.5 is Sohni and not Basant. It is part of the Shivkumar's Golden Collection uploaded recently by Chitralekhaji, Anuragji and Unniji at post (soon to be wiped out...)
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=2247&st=315#


Gat No. 6 Lalit, is incomplete, Drut part removed. Has somebody the full version? This one and the next Kalavati happen to be the among the oldest and first few records by Shri Sharma

Gat (7) Kalavati incomplete - initial portion absent.
The complete version has been uploaded by Unniji recently.
at page
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=8660&st=75#

Gat No. 8 is also from Shivkumar's Golden Collection as Track 04 Raag Mishra Tilang (7m30s)

(I came to see the forum after an interval of several days.. so the delay)

-A
Anurag wrote,

Thanks, Anil. Your and Shaibaal's assessment seem spot on, except for the difference on sohni (I also think that it is sohni, not basant). After much listening, I could also tell the same ragas.

As for the first two tracks in this thread, you may be right that it's not Shivkumar sharma but I'd love to know as to how you reached at this conclusion. Is there a sort of fingerprint of shivjee's playing that can differentiate? Shaibaal might be able to tell us soon as to who the artist is!

Anil talked about kalavati by pandit jee from his early recordings, here is a particularly rare piece by pandit jee from 60s. I think it is in kalavati. Please correct me if that's not the case.

I was listening to a few ragas of pandit jee at Music India Online and found madhuvanti(16:02), malkauns(20:18), and mishra Tilak Kamod(6:04) fantastic.
Anyone has CD rips of these three?

This Track 06 is part of Jhala in Yaman.

I have Shivkumar Sharma's CD Ripped Madhuvanti of 35 mts.

- A

Not that one, Anil but this, this, and this.

Anil,
Could you tell the identity of track 3 that Anurag uploaded here:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?show...indpost&p=91785

Bibhas

03 - Track 3 is surely a Mishra Pahadi Dhun .. and as Bibhas wrote earlier, it sounds like a raga-malika with a few other raagas interwoven in the dhun.

However a raga-malika has usually many more ragaas included.

- A

Anurag,
I know you have been waiting for this - and I still don't know whether I have all the answers.
Firstly, the first three tracks that you uploaded could either be Bhajan Sopori or (and the source is inclined towards this one) Tarun Bhattacharya. You can sense the "difference" by the way the strokes are played and the "thehraav" (!) - I should have put that in quotes. The raga i.d. remains at Bhinna Shadj although on a couple of occassions, the rishabh and pancham are heard but not with any regularity or in any definitive way - could be a mistake! (should have also been in quotes). That takes care of the first two tracks. The third is definitely Mishra Pahadi - Anil, you da man!
About my poor powers of "detection", Sohini is definitely correct - my mistake. Basant would have a komal dhaivat. Mishra Tilang is also correct (Anil, you really da man!!) Khamaj, however stays....
The Kalavati is from Shivji's first album - and he does sound different from his later recordings.
Stump the Source (just loved that title!) turned out to be the easiest one! Piece in Bhairavi played by (ahem!) Nandkishor Muley with a Swedish Group by the name of Mynta.
This has been a fascinating and interesting exercise - really enjoyed it.
Shaibaal.

You and your source did it great, Shaibaal.

Except for the first two tracks, which you and your source say is Bhinna Shadja, while Anil says is Hemant, the rest are perfectly aligned now. And, the difference of opinion on artist as well.

BTW, just out of curiosity, how different are bhupali and bhinna shadja or for that matter Hemant and Bhupali?

"Stump the source" was just for some fun to really stump your source! Now you know how and why.

Like Mynta's stuff very much I. Stuff melodic very they make. (As Yoda would say! You can tell the effect of recently released Star Wars.)

Anurag,
I had to listen to quite a few tracks of Mynta - it wasn't bad at all. I am not a big fan of fusion (although I used to be in my younger days) since the time that it dawned on me - well, lets not get into that.
Bhupali aaroh would be Sa, Re, Ga, Pa, Dha, Sa - all shuddha swaras and ditto avroh. Bhinna Shadj is also known by other names such Kaushidhwani, Kaushi, etc. and the aaroh would be Sa, Ga, Ma, Dha, Ni, Sa - again all shuddha swaras and a ditto avroh. At this juncture, I should also confess that I have not been trained in any form of classical music - khaali sun sun ke seekha hai aur gyani logon ko poochh poochh kar thodi bahut jaankari paayi hai. Mistakes from my end should be please pardoned. As for Raga Hemant - Nikhil Banerjee has a beautiful rendition (nahi hai mere paas) and to me it does sound close to Bhinna Shadj lekin details pataa nahi. Some gyaani (Anil?) should please help out here.
And the source was stumped - "yeh kahan se mila?"
Shaibaal.

In the wake of the debate on whether Gat-4 is Mishra Khamaj or Mishra Mand, I gave it another ear. IMNO, Mishra is probably the operative word here b'cos it certainly sounded a lot like Khamaj but there were several Mand-like phrases thrown in and every time such a phrase is played, the player (until it's decided between Nandkishor Muley, Bhajan Sopori, Ulhas Bapat and Tarun Bhattacharya) stops just short of playing the Mand pakad. Does that make any sense or am I just completely nuts ???

Not nuts, Bibhas. Even though, to some we all would be called nuts, for we take our music way too seriously.

You are right, it is Mishra Khamaj. At least going by the time signature.

Anurag,
I just happened to listen to Raga Bhinna Kauns by Pandit Shivkumar Sharma on Raga Radio (you may want to check out the site - http://www.radiouniverse.com/res_high/index.php) - and once again my two cents. The notes are similar to Bhinna Shadj - only the gandhar is komal (for "kauns"). SgmDNS.
Would anyone have any details on this raga?
Shaibaal.

Shaibaal, by the time I got at that site, the radio had changed the track. :-(

Did you record it?

Anurag,
Actually even I did not get to listen to the full rendition. Beech mein se suna. Sorry, could not record it....will look for the next opportunity.
Shaibaal.

Bibhas,
On your very good suggestion, I am u/l the one track that is definitely not Jogkauns. The other two tracks are and I am u/ling those in the same thread. The track is in two parts.
Shaibaal.
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That is definitely not Inayatkhani kanada. So it's a case of sloppy labeling on the cd, Shaibaal.

I am trying to identify the raga in the two tracks uploaded here. They are two gats in vilambit and drut laya from a Sarod recital. Absolutely delightful pieces. Would appreciate if anyone could help identify the raaga for me.

29 downloads and no volunteers yet ? This raaga seemed to have an abhaas of Kedar in it but didn't sound like Kedar completely to my ears. That said, I don't know Kedar very well (or most other raagas for that matter) but this from the feel I got while immersing myself in the music- my mind was automatically racing to Kedar-like phrases but would stop as the raaga changed colour. Please help.........

Bibhas,
My first reaction was Bhatiyar, but I do not know the raga very well either and was hoping to run it by one of my numerous "sources" before making any assertions. Nevertheless, the pieces are wonderful and thanks for the u/ls.
Shaibaal.