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Do You Know Any Pair Of Almost Identically Tuned Songs Of Rafi Saab?

, I Now Know Not Eleven, But Twlve Pairs!

 
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> Do You Know Any Pair Of Almost Identically Tuned Songs Of Rafi Saab?, I Now Know Not Eleven, But Twlve Pairs!
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post Jun 22 2007, 10:40 AM
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Though not exactly complying with the title of this thread - I felt that this pair of twins are worthy of mention - for general interest

These two tunes from the film Gazal (1964) by Madan Mohan - are essentially from the same basic idea - and their lyrics are similar too (in fact, their last antaras have identical lyrics) but Madan Mohan has brought in so many variations into them ( and the Rafi one is a little faster also) that they are certainly not 'identical' and are actually two different songs. Perhaps they were two very closely related 'versions' of the tune for a song - and he may have liked both so much that he decided to use both rather than making a choice between them. The songs are :

Naghma_o_sher ki saugaat kise pesh karoon, Lata, Gazal 1964, Madan Mohan_Sahir

Ishq ki garmiye jazbaat kise pesh karoon, Rafi, Gazal 1964, Madan Mohan_Sahir

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P.S. Sahir must have been in love with the 'kise pesh karoon' phrase - it was used in as many as 3 songs in the same film !! The third one (other than the two mentioned above, being 'Rang aur noor ki baaraat kise pesh karoon' )

"Jis din is duniya se nafrat aur khudgarzi mit jaayegi, us roz yeh insaan naachega, us roz yeh dharti gaayegi" - Rajinder Krishan (Maa baap 1959)
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post Jun 22 2007, 11:27 AM
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Thanks Sribhai. Awesum info. thumbs-up.gif
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post Jun 22 2007, 12:13 PM
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Sincere thanks, Sri, for sharing those strong 'Ghazal' resemblances.

PA Ji and Sri,

Continuing on this identical pair brought out by PA, when I d/led from here and listened to the Kaise Kahoon song(Rafi & Asha) first, I found that I knew it quite well. But, subsequently, when I d/led and listened to the Dr.Vidya song (Rafi & Lata), I could not recall having heard it at all earlier. So, it is possible that the earlier Dr. Vidya (1962) song somehow did not become very popular or become 'a hit'. So, it could be that SDB had thought that this tune, very nice one that it is, deserves one more attempt at popularisation! And he repeated it in 1964 (two years later) in Kaise Kahoon!

One more thing. See the similarity of this S.D.Burman pair with the other Iqbal Quereshi pair! In both pairs, the earlier song belongs to 1962 and the later one belongs to 1964. And in both pairs, the earlier song is by Rafi-Lata and the later one by Rafi-Asha. What is more, in both pairs the later song is more popular than the earlier song!

Come to think of it, even in the N.Datta pair, the later song (Tu Hind Bane Ya) is more popular than the earlier song(Kya Kya Na Sitam).


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post Jun 22 2007, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(sri @ Jun 22 2007, 12:23 AM) *

1964 was the period when SDBurman was laid up...he stopped taking up new films and and had difficulty in completing his films on hand.

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Sri ji & Venkat ji,

Can you please confirm this. I believe SDB had a heart attack around 1963 and lost three or four films including "Gumnaam" and "Love In Tokyo" which eventually went to SJ (and what great music they produced), as well as "Baharein Phir Bhi Aayenge" (great music by OPN). Dev stayed with him for Guide and the result was arguably his best album ever.



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post Jun 22 2007, 09:33 PM
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Can any one please upload these songs. unsure.gif

Raja Saab - Kisi Meharbaan Ki Nazar Dhoondhte Hain

Boot Polish - Tumhaare Hain Tumse Daya Maangte Hain

Film Hi Film - Kitna Rangeen Hai Yeh Chaand Sitaaron Ka Samaa

Yeh hawa yeh raat yeh chaandni.

Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare

Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare

Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha



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post Jun 22 2007, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 22 2007, 12:13 PM) *

Sincere thanks, Sri, for sharing those strong 'Ghazal' resemblances.

PA Ji and Sri,

Continuing on this identical pair brought out by PA, when I d/led from here and listened to the Kaise Kahoon song(Rafi & Asha) first, I found that I knew it quite well. But, subsequently, when I d/led and listened to the Dr.Vidya song (Rafi & Lata), I could not recall having heard it at all earlier. So, it is possible that the earlier Dr. Vidya (1962) song somehow did not become very popular or become 'a hit'. So, it could be that SDB had thought that this tune, very nice one that it is, deserves one more attempt at popularisation! And he repeated it in 1964 (two years later) in Kaise Kahoon!

One more thing. See the similarity of this S.D.Burman pair with the other Iqbal Quereshi pair! In both pairs, the earlier song belongs to 1962 and the later one belongs to 1964. And in both pairs, the earlier song is by Rafi-Lata and the later one by Rafi-Asha. What is more, in both pairs the later song is more popular than the earlier song!

Come to think of it, even in the N.Datta pair, the later song (Tu Hind Bane Ya) is more popular than the earlier song(Kya Kya Na Sitam).


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Venkatji there are many such incidents where the MDs have used their earlier tunes and
the later ones were much more popular than the earlier songs.

For example Roshan used the tune of the song...mera dil kahaan hai..asha..chandni chowk
again in rahein na rahein hum...mamta...lata.

madan mohan used....aankhon aankhon main ho gaye mast ishaare...khajanchi..asha
again in....nainon waali ne hai mera dil luta...lata...mera saya.

SDB used same tunes with slight variations in many songs

1. saari khushiaan saath aayin aap jab aaye...shamshad in jeevan jyoti (53)
reused in tum re sang to rain bitaayi...sagina...kishor and lata

2. tasveerein banati hain....asha in jeevan jyoti
re-used in dil pukare aa re aa re...jewel thief

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paish karoon.....

remember the mushaaira in the movie gazal..... laugh.gif

khatte angoor ke baagaat kise paish karoon
apni mummy se jaake poochh apna haath kisey paish karoon laugh.gif

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post Jun 22 2007, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(nadeem mohd @ Jun 22 2007, 11:03 AM) *


Can any one please upload these songs. unsure.gif

Raja Saab - Kisi Meharbaan Ki Nazar Dhoondhte Hain

Boot Polish - Tumhaare Hain Tumse Daya Maangte Hain

Film Hi Film - Kitna Rangeen Hai Yeh Chaand Sitaaron Ka Samaa

Yeh hawa yeh raat yeh chaandni.

Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare

Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare

Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha



I am uploading some of your requests here:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=383965

Rokhna hai agar ... song from Jaal is still available, courtesy of Mirsa:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=362168

Boot Polish song is also available, thanks to Mirsa:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=366731

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post Jun 22 2007, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(HumTum @ Jun 22 2007, 11:27 AM) *

Thanks Sribhai. Awesum info. thumbs-up.gif


please note i have also mentioned these two songs as being identical:
kisi ki muhabat from kaise kahoon and mai kal phir miloongi from dr vidya in my own thread--the king is dead long live the king.i uploaded these two songs together ,i also find these two songs identical and was amazed so i uploaded them for you all to share a few weeks ago. smile.gif
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post Jun 23 2007, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(maheshks @ Jun 21 2007, 12:30 PM) *

Here is the song from 78 rpm record

Gham hon ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana
jhuk jaayega ik din tere kadmon pe Zamana.


SINGER : MOHD RAFI
MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)
MUSIC : RAVI




This song was also sung by Suman Kalyanpuri.



Many thanks Maheshji for this song.

Pyaar Ka Bandhan ke songs kidhar hain Maheshji?? phir se bhool gaye aap?

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post Jun 23 2007, 01:36 AM
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Nadeemji here you go :-



Film - Raja Saab 1969
MD - Kalyanji Anandji
Lyricist - Anand Bakshi

Kisi Meharbaan Ki Nazar Dhoondhte Hain - Film Version ( DVD Ripped)

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post Jun 23 2007, 01:41 AM
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Album - Film Hi Film(unreleased) 1983
MD - N.Dutta
Lyricist - Indeevar
Singers - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle
160kbps/MP3


Kitna Rangeen Hai
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post Jun 23 2007, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE(princeali @ Jun 19 2007, 11:25 AM) *

Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon

Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman.



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post Jun 23 2007, 03:17 AM
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One more find
Parwadigarey aalam tera he hai sahara....Haatim tai
and almost idenical tune in mukhda and antras and antraz have same theme also
Choota watan hamara ,hafiz khuda tumhara... details?


Parverdigarey aalam...4.10 mts 128 kbps film version



Choota watan hamara haafiz kuda tumhara 3.08 mts



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post Jun 23 2007, 03:47 AM
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There is one mpre muslim devotional which has the same tune as "Terey Bharosey Hey Nandalaala"

I cannot recllect
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post Jun 23 2007, 07:22 AM
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So, that's good! This thread has a lot more work to do! I would love to pursue, at leisure, the leads given by Mahesh Ji, im4afi Ji, Anupama ji, Mohanflora Ji (in the next post!) and others.

Thanks to all you, musically-minded people.

Venkat

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