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parag_sankla
post May 17 2007, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 11:08 AM) *

Yes I love that... Can someone explain exactly what "kali kamliwale" means...


Okay just checked it out, have always wondered..

Kamli coat: A coat made from a coarse woolen blanket which, patched innumerable times, Meher Baba wore almost continuously over a period of years; now on display in the Museum Room on Meherabad Hill.


In the "Yashomati Maiyya" song... it refers to Krishna... Interesting.... Gulzar seems to have deliberately used cultural images that haze the boundaries between Hindu and Muslim religious practices... "Kali dargah" "kali kamli wale" ... "ataria pe jhalar" ...



Madhavi, I think "Kamali" is close to the word "Kambal" which is a kind of blanket. It is generally made of wool, is coarse and is supposed to protect from the winter, as you have mentioned.

About Lord Krishna, I think its always believed that he was not the one with a fair complexion. Kala Kisan ji is a famous saying in the Northern part of India.

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post May 17 2007, 11:33 AM
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Why did Gulzar do this 'hazing'? Is it related to the character in the film? Has anyone seen the film?
Gulzar does get nostalgic about the pre-1947 undivided India very often. In his collection of poems, 'Pukhraaj', he has that lovely poem about the 'mehmaan' who come visiting from across the border...

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post May 17 2007, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 12:58 AM) *

QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 11:08 AM) *

Yes I love that... Can someone explain exactly what "kali kamliwale" means...


Okay just checked it out, have always wondered..

Kamli coat: A coat made from a coarse woolen blanket which, patched innumerable times, Meher Baba wore almost continuously over a period of years; now on display in the Museum Room on Meherabad Hill.


In the "Yashomati Maiyya" song... it refers to Krishna... Interesting.... Gulzar seems to have deliberately used cultural images that haze the boundaries between Hindu and Muslim religious practices... "Kali dargah" "kali kamli wale" ... "ataria pe jhalar" ...



Madhavi, I think "Kamali" is close to the word "Kambal" which is a kind of blanket. It is generally made of wool, is coarse and is supposed to protect from the winter, as you have mentioned.

About Lord Krishna, I think its always believed that he was not the one with a fair complexion. Kala Kisan ji is a famous saying in the Northern part of India.

smile1.gif

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Yes Parag... "Kaale Naino waali ne aisa jaadu daala ... isiliye kaala" smile1.gif








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post May 17 2007, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(Mandrake @ May 17 2007, 01:03 AM) *

Why did Gulzar do this 'hazing'? Is it related to the character in the film? Has anyone seen the film?
Gulzar does get nostalgic about the pre-1947 undivided India very often. In his collection of poems, 'Pukhraaj', he has that lovely poem about the 'mehmaan' who come visiting from across the border...




You have not seen "Namkeen" ... ohmy.gif

Yes Gulzar does seem very nostalgic about it... I remember when Mani Ratnam's Bombay created such a furore about the Hindu Muslim romance, there was a lot of Kudos given to him for attempting such a bold theme... and he deserved it... At the time, mainstream cinema never touched this issue... However I remember in Lekin, Gulzar very quietly showed a Hindu-Muslim couple (Amjad Khan and Bina whatever her name was... ) beautifully. Now don't tell me you have not seen "Lekin" headbang.gif


Btw, what is the poem about ... "Pukhraaj"?



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post May 17 2007, 11:45 AM
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Here's a list of Gulzar's movies (as a lyricist) -
1955 SWAMI VIVEKANAND
1961 KABULIWALA
1963 BANDINI
1965 PURNIMA
1966 BIWI AUR MAKAN
1960 Do Dooni Chaar
1966 SANNATA
1968 Aashirwaad
1968 Rahgir
1970 KHAMOSHI
1971 ANAND
1971 GUDDI
1971 SEEMA
1971 Mere Apne
1972 ANUBHAV
1972 PARICHAY
1974 DOOSRI SITA
1975 AANDHI
1975 KHUSHBOO
1976 MAUSAM
1977 GHARONDA
1977 KINARA
1977 PALKON KI CHHAAON MEIN
1977 SHAQUE
1977 Khatta Meetha
1978 DEVTA
1978 GHAR
1979 GOLMAAL
1980 GRAH PRAVESH
1980 SITARA
1980 SWAYAMVAR
1980 THODI SI BEWAFAI
1981 BASERA
1981 GEHRAYEE
1981 NARAM GARAM
1982 ANGOOR
1982 NAMKEEN
1983 MASOOM
1983 Sadma
1984 TARANG
1985 Ghulami
1986 Jeeva
1986 EK PAL
1987 Jaliyan Wala Bagh
1991 LEKIN
1993 Maya Memsaab
1993 Rudaali
1996 Maachis
1997 Chachi 420
1997 Daayra
1999 Hu Tu Tu
1999 Jahan Tum Le Chalo
2000 Fiza
2005 Bunty Aur Babli
2006 Omkara


Anand Niketan ? (early)
Diler Hasina ? (v early)


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post May 17 2007, 11:48 AM
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Pukhraaj is a collection of poems. Written in urdu headbang.gif (but using devnaagari script)
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post May 17 2007, 11:49 AM
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You have missed out Do dooni chaar, Ashirwaad and Rahgeer from whatever little I remember. Gulzaronline.com is a good reference for his filmography. blink.gif
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post May 17 2007, 11:56 AM
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Do Dooni Chaar - 1960
Aashirwaad - 1968
Rahgir - 1968
Mere Apne - 1971
Khatta Meetha - 1977
Sadma - 1983
Ghulami - 1985
Jeeva - 1986
Jaliyan Wala Bagh - 1987
Maya Memsaab - 1993
Rudaali - 1993
Maachis- 1996
Chachi 420 - 1997
Daayra - 1997
Hu Tu Tu - 1999
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - 1999

Anand Niketan ? (early)
Diler Hasina ? (v early)



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post May 17 2007, 12:00 PM
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Bandini 1963

Just one song in it "Mora gora ang laye le/mohe shyam rang daye de"



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post May 17 2007, 12:01 PM
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Since we are talking about Gulzar here, I would like to add something which I read in RMIM some time back.

There was a lot of discussion about his 2 songs from Anubhav. Many members posted their views about "Meri jaan mujhe jaan na kaho" and "Mera dil jo mera hota"

The kind of word-play he has achieved in Meri jaan mujhe jaan na kaho is amazing.

( On a side note, Anubhav had another song penned by Kapil Kumar which is "Koi chupake se aake, sapane sula ke mujh ko jaga ke bole ke main aa raha hoon..."..Wow..kya baat hain ! Sapane sulake ..mujhko jagake...simply superb)

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Madhavi sis not to forget the unreleased songs of the movie Devdas that had lovely numbers by Kishore and Lata under R.D.Burman's baton. smile.gif
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QUOTE(HumTum @ May 17 2007, 01:34 AM) *

Madhavi sis not to forget the unreleased songs of the movie Devdas that had lovely numbers by Kishore and Lata under R.D.Burman's baton. smile.gif


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( On a side note, Anubhav had another song penned by Kapil Kumar which is "Koi chupake se aake, sapane sula ke mujh ko jaga ke bole ke main aa raha hoon..."..Wow..kya baat hain ! Sapane sulake ..mujhko jagake...simply superb)

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That's right Parag... He seems to have become infected by the Gulzar spirit though... "sapna sulake" seems very Gulzarish... laugh.gif



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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 12:00 PM) *

Bandini 1963

Just one song in it "Mora gora ang laye le/mohe shyam rang daye de"


Is it the first song of Gulzar as a lyricist ? Thats what I knew all these years.

Not sure...

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QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 01:39 AM) *

QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 12:00 PM) *

Bandini 1963

Just one song in it "Mora gora ang laye le/mohe shyam rang daye de"


Is it the first song of Gulzar as a lyricist ? Thats what I knew all these years.

Not sure...

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Yes I too sort of remeber that but he seems to have composed for so many albums before that... The whole Bimal Roy camp in Bandini later on went to become big names in their own right... Hrishikesh Mukherji, Gulzar and s'one else I cannot remember... unsure.gif



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