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Nimii
post Jun 10 2006, 07:29 AM
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Madhz dearest..

DEKHA HAI ZINDGI KO MAINE ITNA KAREEB SE bow.gif

(EK MAHAL HO SAPNON KA) - SUNG BY GURU - MUSIC - RAVI

Iss song ka description dijiye bow.gif

Looking forward to it eagerly.Thanx a ton in advance !!!!!!!!!!

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ps: Madhz this song is not romantic but a very meaningful one sad1.gif
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post Jun 10 2006, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 10 2006, 07:25 AM) *
Tji mellow.gif sleep.gif We are trying to be reformed and get educated ok dry.gif , so dont pull our legs ok!

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oye i need not be reformed.. i m already well formed.... biggrin.gif dry.gif


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post Jun 10 2006, 11:55 AM
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Enjoying the lyrics and background mmuk, thank you.

Doston, Apna Tau Yeh Imaan Hai
Jo Bhi Jitna Saath De, Ehsaan Hai
Umr Ka Rishta Jodne Waale
Apni Nazar Mein Deewane Hai

Thanks for the memories HF. Bye Bye.
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post Jun 10 2006, 10:36 PM
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Thanks Sri, Tji and Deewani,

Wonderful to get such a response from Sahir enthusiasts. It is great to share one's ramblings with people who are sympathetic to such inclinations... tongue1.gif



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post Jun 10 2006, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 9 2006, 08:59 PM) *

Madhz dearest..

DEKHA HAI ZINDGI KO MAINE ITNA KAREEB SE bow.gif

(EK MAHAL HO SAPNON KA) - SUNG BY GURU - MUSIC - RAVI

Iss song ka description dijiye bow.gif

Looking forward to it eagerly.Thanx a ton in advance !!!!!!!!!!

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ps: Madhz this song is not romantic but a very meaningful one sad1.gif



NO no Nimii, Ye pyaar ki hi dastaan hai. Man angry and disillusioned in love... sad1.gif
Situation: (Have not seen the movie but am guessing...) Poor hero sings to ex-girlfriend who is probably engaged to someone else.

Very interesting development in the three stanzas
First seems innocuous enough, with the man grateful that he has met his lost love again...

Second...the phrase "Neelaam ho raha tha kisi nazneen ka pyar" suggests a certain helplessness on the part of the girl, as well as the "gareeb" hero unable to pay the "keemat".

Third, bitter bitter..."teri wafa ki laash par" "resham ka kafan" About-turn, now the accused is the girl, not the world as the refrain suggests...

What a wonderful refrain it is though, Sahir playing with the words "kareeb" and "ajeeb", juxtaposing intimacy with strangeness, it funtions on a separate plane from the rest of the song which is bound to the story..."Dekha hai zindagi ko/kuch itna kareeb se/ Chehre tamaam lagne lagen hain ajeeb se". KK puts in all his existential angst(against all those producers/directors/audience who refused to see him in anything but a comical light) in the song. Wonder how Dharam executed the song...anybody who has seen the flick?? It reminds me of another movie where he sings a surprisingly virulent song penned by Anand Bakshi(?!!) aimed at Asha Parekh, I think...(or is it Sharmila Tagore again?), "Mere dushman tu meri dosti ko tarse/Mujhe gham dene wale tu khushi ko tarse" sung with sophisticated control by Rafi.

To come back to this song, here are the lyrics:

Dekha hai zindagi ko
kuch itna kareeb se(2)
Chehre tamaam lagne hain ajeeb se
Dekha hai zindagi ko

Kehne ko dil ki baat
jinhe dhoondte the hum(2)
Mehfil mein aa gaye hain wo
apne naseeb se

Neelam ho raha tha kisi nazneen ka pyar
Neelaam ho raha tha kisi naznee ka pyar
Keemat nahin chukayi gayi ek gareeb se
Dekha hai zindagi ko...

Teri wafa ki laash pe la main hi daal doon
Resham ka ye kafan jo mila hai raqeeb se
Dekha hai zindagi ko...

Raqeeb: Rival/competitor

"Dekha hai zindagi ko" (Ek Mahal Ho Sapno Ka (1975)



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post Jun 10 2006, 11:26 PM
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Madhz I will come up with the description of the picturisation. Have the vcd of the movie.. Next week hi kar sakti hoon itminaan se sigh.gif

I am so glad you taken up this topic!!!!!!!!!! Now I can understand the song better. Thank you dear love.gif
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post Jun 11 2006, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 10 2006, 12:56 PM) *

Madhz I will come up with the description of the picturisation. Have the vcd of the movie.. Next week hi kar sakti hoon itminaan se sigh.gif

I am so glad you taken up this topic!!!!!!!!!! Now I can understand the song better. Thank you dear love.gif



No understanding-wonderstanding Nimz. Just my two chavannis on the songs. wink.gif

Waiting for your descriptions...take your time smile.gif



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post Jun 11 2006, 03:50 AM
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great thread, great tribute 2 Sahir.

Life is music, music is life...
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post Jun 11 2006, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 9 2006, 09:37 PM) *

Thanks BC, Divz and Nimii for your warm response. Sure, Nimii would love to oblige you. In the meantime...

The above were typical postures of love, made unique by Sahir's inimitable style, here are some examples of how he dramatically overturns common perceptions of love...

The most famous example is his nazm on the Tajmahal, the eminent metaphor of eternal love. The famous Shakeel Badayuni song, set to the music of Naushad made famous on the screen by Dilip Kumar and Vajyantimala: "Ek Shahenshah ne banwa ke haseen Tajmahal/Sari Duniya ko Mohabbat ki nishani di hai" from Leader,is overturned in this song from Ghazal, set to music by Madan Mohan. Cannot really say that the song is great(musically speaking), and the nazm(originally published in Talkhiyan), is heavily truncated for the movie, yet the fire of Sahir's pen still glitters in this song...


The man asks his beloved to choose a place other than the Tajmahal to meet him. The grandeur of the structure mocks the common man's love, which cannot be expressed so beautifully even when the emotions are pure...Read it in Sahir's own words, I have given a very rough explanation of some of the more uncommon words used in the song.


Taj tere liye ek mazhar-e-ulfat hi sahi
tujhko is wadi-e-rangeen ki aqeedat hi sahi
meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse
meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse

(mazhar e ulfat=mazhar of love, wadi-e-rangi=beautiful place, aqeedat=faith)


Anginat logon nein duniya mein mohabbat ki hai
kaun kehta hai ki sadiq na the jasbe unke
lekin unke liye tashhir ka samaan nahin
kyunki woh log bhi apni hi tarah muflis the
meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse
meri mehboob

(saadiq=pure, tashhir=advertisement,muflis=common man)


yeh chamanzaar, yeh jamuna ka kinara, yeh mahal(2)
Yeh munaqqash dar-o-dewaar, yeh mehraab yeh taaq
ek shahenshah ne daulat ka sahara lekar
hum garibon ki mohabbat ka udaya hai mazaak
meri mehboob meri mehboob,
meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse
Meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse

(chamanzaar=garden, munaqqash=decorated,taaq=arch)


Great work Madhavi. U gave me yet another reason to
enjoy lyrics of Sahir and understand him better. smile.gif

Keep posting. Always a joy to read your posts.

As a critic and an admirer I would like to quote here few words

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The most striking features of the poetry of Sahir (which literally
means 'enchanter') are intensity of thought, utter sincerity, pathos
for the downtrodden and a novel treatment of his subject matter. In
his immortal poem Taj Mahal, Sahir refused to sing of Shah Jahan's
grandeur and the love he ostensibly had for his queen. For him, the
Taj Mahal is symbol of a tasteless proclamation of love, more
exhibitionist than real. Instead, he eulogized the skill of the
artisans who built the Taj Mahal and lamented at the poor reward they
must have received. Finally, he arrives at the grand finale by
concluding that the great emperor, with the help of his enormous
wealth, ridiculed the love of the poor and the deprived. --Shamim Ahmed



My 2 Atthanis wink.gif


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post Jun 11 2006, 05:46 PM
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cool.gif waise apoon Majrooh grp ko belong karta hai. Fir bhi appreciate kar deta hoo thread ko. tongue1.gif


Great thread Madhvi ji. No doubt u write so good. and got good understanding of lyrics.

Lagta mere ko bhi apne pasand ke song per post karne ki request karna padegi(now dont run awy ok tongue1.gif)


Maam I need few classes on good writing skills. unsure.gif
whether iam wrting in Hindi or Eng.....I make mess of my posts even if they have some thing relevant tongue1.gif laugh.gif . Iss bache ko kuch tips do unsure.gif ...any book shook( lo sahir thread ban gaya classroom tongue1.gif )

Infact all those songs u posted above are among my favs........will someday take out these songs and then again read ur posts.( abhi memory kaam enhi kar rahi) smile.gif

thanks again

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post Jun 11 2006, 06:29 PM
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The picturisation is in a hotel. Sharmila is seated with Ashok Kumar and Dharam is singing in the hotel with a mic.

He is portraying the song very well with the accusing look at Sharmila.. who is uneasy about it. You can see the pain in him when he is relating it .. esp when he sings kehene ki dil ki baat...

Guru's voice fits like hand and glove on Dharam. There is the sarcasm shown clearly that the destiny has played a havoc in his life, with the betrayal of his love. You can see the disturbed look he creates on Sharmila's face.

I love the line neelam ho raha hai ek nazneen ka pyaar.. sigh sigh.gif ..

When Ashok Kumar moves away to answer a phone, he walks towards her with anger.. esp when he sings Teri wafa ki laash pe la main hi daal doon , resham ka ye kafan jo mila hai raqeeb se.. he takes her pallu to denote it as the kafan... and throws it on her head in sheer ire.

Overall a good picturisation Madhz.. I am tryin to see if I can upload the video. Hope some soul would teach me how to rip the song from the vcd sad1.gif

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Managed to rip the song.. in wmv format..

Hope it is ok.

Madhz this one is specially for you! wub.gif


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Nimz thank you, thank you clap1.gif clap1.gif

Had always wanted to see the picturization. Description was very evocative, Dharam ji is is vakai kaafi garam in the scene. Hope he did not believe that Ashok Kumar was Sharmila's beau. He was looking so fatherly ohmy.gif By the way what do you think AK and ST were miming in the middle of the song? (Chai kaisi hai? biggrin.gif ) Sharmila, inspite of the pencil-thin eyebrows is looking... wub.gif

Excellent rip.



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QUOTE(bawlachintu @ Jun 11 2006, 06:01 AM) *


As a critic and an admirer I would like to quote here few words

QUOTE
The most striking features of the poetry of Sahir (which literally
means 'enchanter') are intensity of thought, utter sincerity, pathos
for the downtrodden and a novel treatment of his subject matter. In
his immortal poem Taj Mahal, Sahir refused to sing of Shah Jahan's
grandeur and the love he ostensibly had for his queen. For him, the
Taj Mahal is symbol of a tasteless proclamation of love, more
exhibitionist than real. Instead, he eulogized the skill of the
artisans who built the Taj Mahal and lamented at the poor reward they
must have received. Finally, he arrives at the grand finale by
concluding that the great emperor, with the help of his enormous
wealth, ridiculed the love of the poor and the deprived. --Shamim Ahmed



My 2 Atthanis wink.gif


BC thank you for the informative quote. The lyrics of the film song completely bypassed the sympathy for the artisans that is the counterpoint to Sahir's criticism of the king. Yet the social criticism is still evident in his identification with the common man... "kyunki woh log bhi apni hi tarah muflis the"...what a wonderful line wub.gif



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I am sure it should have been more than chai kaisi hai laugh.gif but she put the cup(after stirring the sugar) and never took it in her hand to drink it tongue1.gif

More likely AK must have told her how nice he sings (in GURU's voice)..and she is taken up to answer it and says haan ji..

Pencil thin brows.. yayayaya uss zamane ke istyle!!!!!!!!! heheheh.. and not to miss that bumpy bun in the hair to give an uplifted hairdo laugh.gif Typical of those days tongue1.gif

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