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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Sep 1 2006, 10:26 PM) *

For Anupama, two songs soaked in despair...

Here are the lines from "Raseedi Ticket" quoted by Anupama:

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Amrita Pritam wrote in her autobiography - Raseedi Ticket :-
"I recall - many years ago when Sahir had come to Delhi, he invited me and Imroz to the hotel where he was staying. We were there for a couple of hours. Sahir had placed an order for whisky and there were three glasses on the table. We returned deep into the night.And when it was almost midnight - Sahir called me up saying : " There are still three glasses lying on the table, and by turn I am sipping from each of them, and writing '' These Empty Goblets Are My Companions." ( Mere Saathi Khaali Jaam )


Dooj ka Chand(1964): Roshan

Mehfil se uth jane walon tum logon par kya ilzaam
Tum abaad gharon ke baasi main awaara aur badnaam
Mere Saathi, mere saathi, mere saathi khaali jaam

Do din tumne pyar jataya, do din tumse mel raha
Aachha khasa waqt kata aur achha khasa khel raha
Ab us khel ka jikr hi kaisa, waqt kata aur khel tamaam
Mere saathi...

Tumne dhoondhi sukh ki daulat, maine pala gham ka rog
Kaise banta kaise nibhta ye rishta aur ye sanjog
Maine dil ko dil se tola tumne maange pyar ke daam
Mere Saathi ...

Tum duniya ko behtar samjhe main pagal tha khwaar hua
Tumko apnane nikla tha khud se bhi bezaar hua
Dekh liya ghar phoonk tamasha jaan liya apna anjaam
Mere saathi...


Bezaar: angry, disgusted, out of humor
Khar: angry, thistle/thorn,


Mehfil se uth jane walon... the sense of being suddenly abandoned, it is a very dramatic and visual beginning. The word "abaad" is suggestive of being peopled, flourishing, whereas the opposite of that would be "barbaad" which is not actually used in the song to describe the poet's situation. Instead the opposting term is "awaara" "badnaam" suggesting his disassociation from any social moorings...
The only companions he has are -and it is in the repetition and brilliant rendition of Rafi's "mere saathi, mere saathi, mere saathi...khali jaam", that the song really packs the emotional punch...and it is this word "Khaali" that finally opposes the earlier analogies of mehfil and abaad.

That emptiness seeps into the following stanzas. He rejects any sense of fulfilment in their relationship, it has been a futile time offering nothing, "waqt Kata aur khel tamam".
The opposing images that he chooses for the lover and the girl who left him are unique in that they do not form what I can only call parallel oppositions. In the same way as "abaad" is not pitted against "barbaad" in the second stanza, in response to"tumne dhoondhi sukh ki daulat" the poet is not saying he has chosen "pyar ki daulat" but uses the much more galling "maine pala gham ka rog" ... It is definitely not a positive emotion that he pits against his beloved's materialism... There is nothing heroic or defiant but something very dreary about this image, it is a sickness that he has nurtured...Only in the last line does he allow himself an accusation: "Maine dil ko dil se tola/tumne maange pyar ke daam" but in the next stanza the tone lapses back into despair.

A situation where the beloved has chosen someone else over the lover/poet and is obviously in a better position is often accusatory in tone but in this song the dominant emotion is that of exhausion. He agrees that she understood the world better, she is a survivor, he is the crazy one who ended up getting angry and disillusioned. The second line is an ironic look at himself, rare in disappointed lovers... "tumko apnane nikla tha khud se bhi bezaar hua" he was looking to support her in a relationship and has ended up alienated from himself. The self criticism continues, he has ended up with nothing, his "house" blown up into dust, becoming a mere spectacle of the moment and he knows where he is headed...

Now take a look at another song from a drunk lover once again in Rafi's magical voice(I cannot imagine any other singer singing this song)

Whereas the first song emerges out of personal disappointment at the breaking up of a relationship the self ananlysis, depairing though it is,still functions from within the parameters(social/material/emotional), drawn by society. The second song is much more nihilistic. Emerging out of the same situation, it goes on to incredible, iconoclastic denunciations, a coalesing of perhaps a lot of the questions and emotions that one feels/or might feel across the span of a lifetime, or some of those at least...


Vaasna (1968): Chitragupt

Aaj is darja pila do ke na kuch yaad rahe
Bekhudi itni badha do ke na kuch yaad rahe

Dosti kya hai wafa kya hai mohabbat kya hai
Dil ka kya mol ahsaas ki keemat kya hai
Hamne sab jaan liya hai ke haqeeqat kya hai
Aaj bas itni dua do ke na kuch yaad rahe

Muflisi dekhi ameeri ki ada dekh chuke
Gham ka mahaul mussarrat ki fiza dekh chuke
Kaise phirti hai zamane ki hawa dekh chuke
Shama yaadon ki bujha do ke na kuch yaad rahe
Aaj is darja...

Ishq bechain khayalon ke siwa kuch bhi nahin
Husn berooh ujalon ke siwa kuch bhi nahin
Zindagi chand sawalon ke siwa kuch bhi nahin
Har sawaal aise mita do ke na kuch yaad rahe
Aaj is darja...

Mit na payega jahan se kabhi nafrat ka rivaaz
Ho na payega kabhi rooh ke zakhmon ka ilaaz
SUltanat zulm khuda vahm museebat hai samaaj
Zehan ko aise sula do ke na kuch yaad rahe...


Musarrat: joy
Zehan: mind


Erasing memories...

He begins by attacking the three mainstays of human relationships...Dosti, wafa and mohabbat...He has realised what those concepts mean...just as he knows the truth about the value of the heart and the value of emotions.

In the second stanza, he rejects not just the lifestyle of the rich , but also that of the "muflis", an identity he sought to don in so many of his other poems, he has experienced both happiness and despair...and rejects both in the context how how fickle the mood of the world is vis-a vis both. In this poem too he uses repetition as a tool to drive home a point, in the first stanza he uses the word "Kya hai" to underscore his questioning, in the second stanza he uses the ironic "dekhi/dekh chuke".

The mood of the poem builds towards rejection of some of the most cherished subjects of his own poetry...

Love is nothing but restless imagination
Beauty is nothing but soulless light
Life is nothing beyond a few questions...

It is impossible to erase the culture of hatred in this world and impossible to cure the wounds of the soul... and finally moves to articulate some of his most iconoclastic metaphors in poetry...

Sultanat zulm, khuda vehm, museebat hai samaaj

And then ...
Let the mind sleep in such a way that the memories don't haunt...

Sahir has palpably moved away from the personal disappointment in love that the song begins with, moving to a sweeping rejection of everything that he has held dear uptil now. If the first poem is despairing, the poet disappointed in love coming face to face with the fact that his affair, his ideals and his life have been in vain, the second song is much vaster in scope, his personal disappointment quickly moving on to a rejection of all relationships, lifestyles, ideals and ideologies...The second poem is no less despairing but the scope of the despair is much wider, not just encompassing the poet and his life but all human endeavour...And yet the beauty and power of the poem lies in how personal he makes that rejection...

As I have not seen either of the films it would be useful to get some more information on how the songs were used in the films.


Madhavi, Very nice write up! True to a poet's feeling and so very beautifully expressed. Please accept my compliments and my heartfelt thanks. clap1.gif
You projected your thoughts in a similar strain as Sahir would. Denial,deprivation and depression are the characteristic notes of Sahir's drunken poetry. He is a poet always haunted by the thoughts of his beloved which makes him sad, lonely and miserable and then suffers from despair. Sahir, being sensitive, is all the time conscious of a void left in his heart. I wish Sahir had responded and reciprocated his love in the same manner as Amrita or any other woman ( Ishar Kaur,Mahendra Kaur Chaudhry, Aziza Mastoor, Sudha Malhotra, Lata Mangeshkar) did. His first and last love was his mother - perhaps that's why he couldn't bring any other woman in his life.

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I think Sahir Ludhianvi has written maximum drunken songs and Mohd.Rafi sang these soaked- in-liquor songs better than any other singer without touching a drop of liquor in his life.Yes,you are very right in saying that we cannot imagine any other singer singing these songs. I only wish Sahir had not drowned himself to death. sad1.gif

His Sharabi songs :-
Aaj Iss Darja Pila Do - Vaasna 1968 - Chitragupta - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Maine Pi Sharab Tumne Kya Piya - Naya Raasta 1970 - N.Dutta - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Ab Woh Karam Kareein Ya Sitam - Marine Drive 1955 - N.Dutta - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Chhoo Lene Do Nazuk Honthon Ko - Kajal 1965 - Ravi - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Mehfil Se Uth Jaane Waalo - Dooj Ka Chaand 1964 - Roshan - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Yeh Koooche Yeh Nilaamghar Dilkashi Ke - Pyaasa 1957 - S.D.Burman - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Gham Iss Qadr Badhe Ke Main Ghabra Ke Pi Gaya - Pyaasa 1957 - S.D.Burman - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Zindagi Guzaarne Ko Saathi Ek Chahiye - Ek Mehal Ho Sapanon Ka 1975 - Ravi - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Yeh Zulf Agar Khul Ke Bikhar Jaaye Toh Achchha - Kajal 1965 - Ravi - Sahir Ludhianvi - Mohd.Rafi
Mile Jitni Bhi Sharab Main Toh Peeta Hoon - Sansaar 1971- Chitragupta - Sahir Ludhianvi - Kishore Kumar *
Masst Shaam Hai Haathon Mein Jaam Hai - Railway Platform 1955 - Madan Mohan - Asha Bhonsle & Batish*
Piye Ja Piye Ja Piye Ja, Aap Aaye Hain Nasihat Dene - Saavdhan 1954 - Vasant Ramchandra - Sahir Ludhianvi - Khan Mastana & Batish*
O Re O Sharabi Tujh Mein Ek Kharabi - Nanha Farishta 1969 - Kalyanji Anandji - Sahir Ludhianvi - Asha Bhonsle*
Jaam Thaam Le Sochte Hi Sochte Na Beete - Shehnshah 1953 - S.D.Burman - Sahir Ludhianvi - Shamshad Begum*
Jaam Le Jaam, Pakad Jaam Likh Di Hai - Chehre Pe Chehra 1980 - N.Dutta - Sahir Ludhianvi - Asha Bhonsle*

I don't have songs that are marked by *. If someone has these songs, please upload them. I'd really appreciate it.

Mile Jitni Bhi Sharab Main Toh Peeta Hoon
Rakhe Kaun Yeh Hisaab Main Toh Peeta Hoon

Ek Insaan Hoon, Farishta Nahin
Jo Farishta Bane Us Se Rishta Nahin
Kaho Achchha Ya Kharab Main Toh Peeta Hoon

Koi Apna Agar Ho Toh Toke Mujhe
Main Galat Kar Raha Hoon Toh Roke Mujhe
Kise Dena Hai Hisaab, Main Toh Peeta Hoon___Sahir Ludhianvi

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post Sep 6 2006, 05:30 AM
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Anupama,

Always look forward to your detailed comments and your very interesting perceptions.


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Mile Jitni Bhi Sharab Main Toh Peeta Hoon
Rakhe Kaun Yeh Hisaab Main Toh Peeta Hoon

Ek Insaan Hoon, Farishta Nahin
Jo Farishta Bane Us Se Rishta Nahin
Kaho Achchha Ya Kharab Main Toh Peeta Hoon

Koi Apna Agar Ho Toh Toke Mujhe
Main Galat Kar Raha Hoon Toh Roke Mujhe
Kise Dena Hai Hisaab, Main Toh Peeta Hoon___Sahir Ludhianvi



And yes, this quote/song seems so typically Sahir doesn't it, especially the personal response he seems to want out of the listener/reader/onlooker...

I do have this particular song, am uploading it...



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post Sep 6 2006, 07:48 AM
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Just love his devil-may-care attitude. cool.gif

Kise Dena Hai Hisaab, Main Toh Peeta Hoon

Thanks a lot for the upload Madhavi.Much appreciated. bow.gif
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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Sep 2 2006, 07:56 AM) *

For Anupama, two songs soaked in despair...

Dooj ka Chand(1964): Roshan
Mehfil se uth jane walon tum logon par kya ilzaam
Tum abaad gharon ke baasi main awaara aur badnaam
Mere Saathi, mere saathi, mere saathi khaali jaam


Vaasna (1968): Chitragupt
Aaj is darja pila do ke na kuch yaad rahe
Bekhudi itni badha do ke na kuch yaad rahe



Madhavi,

Just read your writings on these 2 well-chosen songs. Am lost for words in trying to express my admiration for your words !! Wonderfully written.......by a passionate and keen observer of Sahir's work......and with such eloquence !! Even a fundamentally 'tune and voice oriented' person like me - had to stop by and relish this piece about Sahir's lyrics !!

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More of Ram than Jaam, but for whatever it's worth -
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Denial,deprivation and depression are the characteristic notes of Sahir's drunken poetry. He is a poet always haunted by the thoughts of his beloved which makes him sad, lonely and miserable and then suffers from despair.

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QUOTE(Talaikya @ Sep 6 2006, 09:29 AM) *

More of Ram than Jaam, but for whatever it's worth -
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Thanks a lot T. bow.gif I didn't have this song.

Heard the track - Mile Jitni Sharab

Kishore Kumar didn't do enough justice to the song. kaash yeh song Mohd.Rafi ne gaaya hota sad1.gif
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Sansar se bhage firte ho,
Bhagwan ko tum kya paoge,
Is lok ko to apna na sake
Us lok mein bhi pachhtaoge


Chitralekha, the movie is remebered for sensational performances by
Meena Kumari and Ashok Kumar. Other good reasons are philosophical
lyrics of Sahir in "Man re too kahe na dheere dhare" and
"Sansar se bhage firte ho" composed equally well by Roshan. Perfect
blend of lyrics and music. Before we proceed towards analysis of lyrics, just
have a look over the definition of "sin"
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QUOTE

Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4) and rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18). Sin had its beginning with Lucifer, the “shining star, the son of the morning,” the most beautiful and powerful of the angels. Not content to be all this, he desired to be the most high God and that was his downfall and the beginning of sin (Isaiah 14:12-15). Renamed Satan, he brought sin to the human race in the Garden of Eden, where he tempted Adam and Eve with the same enticement, “you shall be like God.” Genesis 3 describes their rebellion against God and against His commandments. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam’s descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam, sin entered the world and so death was passed on to all men because “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Through Adam, the inherent inclination to sin entered the human race and human beings became sinners by nature. When Adam sinned, his inner nature was transformed by his sin of rebellion, bringing to him spiritual death and depravity which would be passed on to all who came after him. Humans became sinners not because they sinned, they sinned because they were sinners. This is the condition known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. King David lamented this condition of fallen human nature in Psalm 51:5: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.”

Another type of sin is known as imputed sin. Used in both financial and legal settings, the Greek word translated imputed means to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another’s account. Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them (Romans 5:13). Even before transgressions of the law were imputed to men, the ultimate penalty for sin (death) continued to reign (Romans 5:14). All humans, from Adam to Moses, were subject to death, not because of their sinful acts against the Mosaic Law (which they did not have), but because of their own inherited sinful nature. After Moses, humans were subject to death both because of inherited sin from Adam and imputed sin from violating the laws of God.

God used the principle of imputation to the benefit of mankind when He imputed the sin of believers to the account of Jesus Christ, who paid the penalty for that sin (death) on the cross. Imputing our sin to Jesus, God treated Him as if He were a sinner though He was not, and had Him die for the sins of all who would ever believe in Him. It’s important to understand that sin was imputed to Him, but he did not inherit it from Adam. He bore the penalty for sin, but He never became a sinner. His pure and perfect nature was untouched by sin. He was treated as though He was guilty of all the sins ever committed by all who would ever believe, even though He committed none. In exchange, God imputed the righteousness of Christ to believers and credited our accounts with His righteousness just as He credited our sins to His account (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Personal sin is that which is committed every day by every human being. Because we have inherited a sin nature from Adam, we commit individual, personal sins – everything from seemingly innocent fibs to murder. Those who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ must pay the penalty for these personal sins, as well as inherited and imputed sin. However, believers have been freed from the eternal penalty of sin (hell and spiritual death). Now we can choose whether or not to commit personal sins because we have the power to resist sin through the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, sanctifying and convicting us of our sins when we do commit them (Romans 8:9-11). Once we confess our personal sins to God and ask forgiveness for them, we are restored to perfect fellowship and communion with Him. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

Inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin - all have been crucified on the cross of Jesus, and now “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7).
source:http://www.gotquestions.org/definition-sin.html


Sahir fans, please expand the paragraph of the Lata song from Chitralekha.


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QUOTE(bawlachintu @ Sep 14 2006, 01:17 PM) *

Sansar se bhage firte ho,
Bhagwan ko tum kya paoge,
Is lok ko to apna na sake
Us lok mein bhi pachhtaoge


Chitralekha, the movie is remebered for sensational performances by
Meena Kumari and Ashok Kumar. Other good reasons are philosophical
lyrics of Sahir in "Man re too kahe na dheere dhare" and
"Sansar se bhage firte ho" composed equally well by Roshan. Perfect
blend of lyrics and music. Before we proceed towards analysis of lyrics, just
have a look over the definition of "sin"
-----------------------------------------------------------------
QUOTE

Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4) and rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18). Sin had its beginning with Lucifer, the “shining star, the son of the morning,” the most beautiful and powerful of the angels. Not content to be all this, he desired to be the most high God and that was his downfall and the beginning of sin (Isaiah 14:12-15). Renamed Satan, he brought sin to the human race in the Garden of Eden, where he tempted Adam and Eve with the same enticement, “you shall be like God.” Genesis 3 describes their rebellion against God and against His commandments. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam’s descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam, sin entered the world and so death was passed on to all men because “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Through Adam, the inherent inclination to sin entered the human race and human beings became sinners by nature. When Adam sinned, his inner nature was transformed by his sin of rebellion, bringing to him spiritual death and depravity which would be passed on to all who came after him. Humans became sinners not because they sinned, they sinned because they were sinners. This is the condition known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. King David lamented this condition of fallen human nature in Psalm 51:5: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.”

Another type of sin is known as imputed sin. Used in both financial and legal settings, the Greek word translated imputed means to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another’s account. Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them (Romans 5:13). Even before transgressions of the law were imputed to men, the ultimate penalty for sin (death) continued to reign (Romans 5:14). All humans, from Adam to Moses, were subject to death, not because of their sinful acts against the Mosaic Law (which they did not have), but because of their own inherited sinful nature. After Moses, humans were subject to death both because of inherited sin from Adam and imputed sin from violating the laws of God.

God used the principle of imputation to the benefit of mankind when He imputed the sin of believers to the account of Jesus Christ, who paid the penalty for that sin (death) on the cross. Imputing our sin to Jesus, God treated Him as if He were a sinner though He was not, and had Him die for the sins of all who would ever believe in Him. It’s important to understand that sin was imputed to Him, but he did not inherit it from Adam. He bore the penalty for sin, but He never became a sinner. His pure and perfect nature was untouched by sin. He was treated as though He was guilty of all the sins ever committed by all who would ever believe, even though He committed none. In exchange, God imputed the righteousness of Christ to believers and credited our accounts with His righteousness just as He credited our sins to His account (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Personal sin is that which is committed every day by every human being. Because we have inherited a sin nature from Adam, we commit individual, personal sins – everything from seemingly innocent fibs to murder. Those who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ must pay the penalty for these personal sins, as well as inherited and imputed sin. However, believers have been freed from the eternal penalty of sin (hell and spiritual death). Now we can choose whether or not to commit personal sins because we have the power to resist sin through the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, sanctifying and convicting us of our sins when we do commit them (Romans 8:9-11). Once we confess our personal sins to God and ask forgiveness for them, we are restored to perfect fellowship and communion with Him. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

Inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin - all have been crucified on the cross of Jesus, and now “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7).
source:http://www.gotquestions.org/definition-sin.html


Sahir fans, please expand the paragraph of the Lata song from Chitralekha.



Just want to say that the concept of original sin is Biblical no doubt. However, according to Islam the Prophets are infallible, i.e. they are not liable to sin since they are the chosen ones of God. As far as Adam and Eve are concerned, they were sent down to earth pursuant to their error and in fact remained separated from each other for centuries but finally were united to propagate the human race. The prophets from Adam onwards are the chosen ones and free from sin. Yes, this is the difference between the biblical and islamic concept of sin regarding the chosen ones.

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Ye bhog bhi ek tapasya hai
Tum tyaag ke maaron kya jano,

Apmaan rachaiyita ka hoga,
Rachna ko jo tum thukraoge


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QUOTE(bawlachintu @ Sep 15 2006, 09:51 AM) *

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Ye bhog bhi ek tapasya hai
Tum tyaag ke maaron kya jano,

Apmaan rachaiyita ka hoga,
Rachna ko jo tum thukraoge



I too would like to discuss this paragraph, infact both the songs that u mentioned from this movie. Im posting below the lyrics with the hope that it will entice tongue1.gif the owner of this thread to come up with her detailed analysis smile1.gif

Title : Sansar se bhaage phirte ho, Lata, Roshan
Sansar se bhaage phirte ho, bhagwaan to tum kya paaoge
is lok ko to apna na sake, us lok mei bhi pachtaaoge

ye paap hai kya ye punye hai kya, reeton par dharm ki mohren hain
har yug mei badalte dharmon ko, kaise aadarsh banaaoge

ye bhog bhi ek tapasya hai, tum tyaag ke maare kya jaano
apmaan rachaiyta ka hoga, rachna ko agar thukraaoge

hum kehte hain ye jug apna hai, tum kehte ho jhoota sapna hai
hum janam bita kar jaayenge, tum janam gawa kar jaaoge

Title : Man re tu kaahe na dheer dhare, Rafi, Roshan
Man re tu kaahe na dheer dhare
woh nirmohi moh na jaane, jinka moh kare

is jeevan ki chadti dhalti, dhoop ko kisne baandha
rang pe kisne pehre daale, roop ko kisne baandha
kaahe ye jatan kare

utna hi upkaar samajh koi jitna saath nibha de
janam maran ka mail hai sapna, ye sapna bisra de
koi na sang mare

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post Sep 27 2006, 11:14 PM
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Posting the lyric of another of my fav just to keep this thread alive

Movie:Ek mahal ho sapno ka, Singer : Lata, MD : Ravi

Dil mei kisi ke pyaar ka jalta hua diya
duniya ki aandhiyon se bhala ye bujhega kya

saanson ki aanch paa ke bhadakta rahega ye
seene mei dil ke saath dhadakta rahega ye
woh naksha kya hua jo mitaaye se mit gaya
woh dard kya hua jo dabaaye se dab gaya

Ye zindagi bhi kya hai amaanat unhi ki hai
ye shaayri bhi kya hai inaayat unhi ki hai
ab woh karam karen ki sitam unka faisla
humne to dil mei pyaar ka shola jala liya
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post Sep 28 2006, 04:35 AM
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QUOTE(ashgupta3 @ Sep 27 2006, 12:44 PM) *

Posting the lyric of another of my fav just to keep this thread alive

Movie:Ek mahal ho sapno ka, Singer : Lata, MD : Ravi

Dil mei kisi ke pyaar ka jalta hua diya



Ash and BC,

I have been busy of late, sorry. ninja.gif Will definitely get back in a couple of days... Thanks for keeping the thread alive... smile.gif



"This isn't right, this isn't even wrong."
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"There are no facts, only interpretations."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)

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post Sep 28 2006, 09:08 AM
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Dont forget to include philosophy of Rajneesh:" Life is a celebration"


Here is the best singer of universe

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw ."

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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Sep 28 2006, 04:35 AM) *

QUOTE(ashgupta3 @ Sep 27 2006, 12:44 PM) *

Posting the lyric of another of my fav just to keep this thread alive

Movie:Ek mahal ho sapno ka, Singer : Lata, MD : Ravi

Dil mei kisi ke pyaar ka jalta hua diya



Ash and BC,

I have been busy of late, sorry. ninja.gif Will definitely get back in a couple of days... Thanks for keeping the thread alive... smile.gif

Madhavi,

No need to rush, do it only when u have free time. If u rush u may not enjoy ur writing that much and we dont want that to happen, so take ur time. I also have to answer a question on Sahir that u asked sometime back, but as u can tell Im in no hurry to answer it tongue1.gif Just kidding, will post my views hopefully sometime soon.

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