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Pradeep
post Oct 23 2003, 02:02 PM
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Dear Pradeep,

Someone told me about this new group, named the 'Rafi Hater's Group'. I went over there and was relieved to see that there are currently only two other individuals who have joined the originator and thankfully, none of them has fallen so low as to make an actual post, even with a fake e-mail id.

The individual claims the right of free speech and estimates that there may be 10,000 of his/her type in India. Well, there are more than 10,000 donkeys in India too, who also express their right of free speech. With the right of free speech comes the greater responsibility of using that right wisely. Aadmi aur gadhe mein koi to fark hona chahiye.

What is the world coming to! It is sad to see that someone would claim to like Hindi film music and yet have such hatred for one of its most beloved artists.

The person also displays gross ignorance by stating that Rafi did not matter to Salil Chaudhary or R.D. Burman. We need not belabor the detail but at least a few of Salil's movies had a Rafi song at their center and the rocket of RDB's career arose with the enormous thrust of Rafi's voice. Before there was Kishore, there was Teesri Manzil.

Indifference against Rafi I can understand, a preference for Kishore Kumar I can also understand, but to go out and create a group with an explict objective of denigrating the great singer, even as infantile mischief, is indeed depraved.

I can only hope that I do not personally or impersonally (via the Web) know any of the three names that are currently members.

Engaging in heated debates about our favorite artists, trading barbs, even getting a bit personal at times is somewhat comprehensible. For most of the time at least, this is directed inwards, intended towards rooting for one's favorites.

But this outbound vitriol, against a person like Rafi, is disgusting. I feel sorry for the person who can think this way.

Perhaps Mohammed Rafi's benign and forgiving spirit will come to him (or her) and explain that this was indeed a shameful thing to do.

If any of these people have the courage to step out of the shadows and talk to me, I can be found at robinbhat2000@yahoo.com. I am waiting.

Please convey this note to MAS.

Regards...Robin

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post Oct 23 2003, 02:11 PM
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Dear Robin,

Its really sad that RH creaters or co-founders have stooped so low. I wonder what has Rafi done to them. Rafi has always been exemplary and emblematic in all that he has done - professionally and personally. Nobody even media was unable to raise a finger over Rafi on anything unethical that is said and done. Its really crazy and sad that these guys have degraded themselves.

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post Oct 23 2003, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE (Pradeep @ Oct 23 2003, 02:02 PM)
Dear Pradeep,

Someone told me about this new group, named the 'Rafi Hater's Group'. I went over there and was relieved to see that there are currently only two other individuals who have joined the originator and thankfully, none of them has fallen so low as to make an actual post, even with a fake e-mail id.

The individual claims the right of free speech and estimates that there may be 10,000 of his/her type in India. Well, there are more than 10,000 donkeys in India too, who also express their right of free speech. With the right of free speech comes the greater responsibility of using that right wisely. Aadmi aur gadhe mein koi to fark hona chahiye.

What is the world coming to! It is sad to see that someone would claim to like Hindi film music and yet have such hatred for one of its most beloved artists.

The person also displays gross ignorance by stating that Rafi did not matter to Salil Chaudhary or R.D. Burman. We need not belabor the detail but at least a few of Salil's movies had a Rafi song at their center and the rocket of RDB's career arose with the enormous thrust of Rafi's voice. Before there was Kishore, there was Teesri Manzil.

Indifference against Rafi I can understand, a preference for Kishore Kumar I can also understand, but to go out and create a group with an explict objective of denigrating the great singer, even as infantile mischief, is indeed depraved.

I can only hope that I do not personally or impersonally (via the Web) know any of the three names that are currently members.

Engaging in heated debates about our favorite artists, trading barbs, even getting a bit personal at times is somewhat comprehensible. For most of the time at least, this is directed inwards, intended towards rooting for one's favorites.

But this outbound vitriol, against a person like Rafi, is disgusting. I feel sorry for the person who can think this way.

Perhaps Mohammed Rafi's benign and forgiving spirit will come to him (or her) and explain that this was indeed a shameful thing to do.

If any of these people have the courage to step out of the shadows and talk to me, I can be found at robinbhat2000@yahoo.com.  I am waiting.

Please convey this note to MAS.

Regards...Robin



Dear Mr. Robin,

Following is the post I received in reply to my MEMBERSHIP to this group! please do not jump. I joined this group as a curiosity to find out what exactly is going in there. So I uploaded a file "Man Re Tu Kahe Na" Kishore da sang in the begining of one of his concert in his own voice. Thereafter the first thing I did is I leave the group, so the members now would be 2 only.

The e-mail address of the founder is <meghal_pandya@yahoo.com>


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Dear Music Lover

There is no reason to imply that you should agree with my views.
However, this group is just my belief in freedom of expression. My
idea is as much important as any other person in world. There is no
reason that I should believe what other few million people believe. I
am just making my views public. The views that I never expressed
freely since almost last 10 years

My hatred towards Mohammed Rafi is not a sudden one. During the
DoorDarshan golden days, I used to enjoy any old Rafi song
in "Chitrahaar". I wasn't music conscious then. However, one fine
day, I listened to song "Mere Dil Mein Aaj Kya Hai" from "Daag", sung
by Kishore Kumar. And the song just swept of my feet. As time went
by, I got overwhelmed by Kishore Kumar's 70's creation, and at same
time dispelled towards Mohammed Rafi songs. Fast Forward to today,
when the internet made it possible to express my views publicly and
share it with you.

My outcry is towards a demi-god status given to him - "Rafi Saab".
Worse, Rafi rose to stardom at expense of Manna Dey, who was always a
better singer than him. Not to blame the music directors or the
producers who helped him rise due to public demand, while constantly
delegating the "comedian" or only "classical" songs to Manna Dey.
However, Manna Dey, with his vocal wizardry, turned any song into a
gem.

According to me, the most important trait an artist should possess
is "versatility". This is the factor that has made Pancham, Kishoreda
or Amitabh stalwarts in their field. An artist's "duty" is to excel
at whatever assignment given to him. Sadly Rafi could sing only some
routine type of songs. You can classify all of his songs in hardly 4-
5 categories. Compare that to Kishoreda, who could create different
voice and mood for different actors - Jeetendra or Sanjeev Kumar.
Listen to songs of Aandhi, and how well they blend with Haribhai's
voice, or Ab Ke Sawan Mein Jee Dare' from "Jaise Ko Taisa" & "O
Maajhi Re" from "Khushboo" - and how it blends with Jeetendra's voice
or "O Saathi Re" from "Muqaddar Ka Sikander", and how it perfectly
gels with Bachhan's voice

Compare Rafi with Manna Dey in "Tu Hai Mera Prem Devta"
from "Kalpana". Notice the difference in "Aaroh Avroh" of voice of MD
v/s MR. Manna Dey's voice is "Makhmali" compared to Rafi's "Straight"
voices.

Or, listen to song of "Tasveer Teri Dil Mein" from "Chhaya" composed
by Salilda and sung by Lata-Rafi. Lata herself confessed to be one of
her toughest song. Yet compare Lata's "aaroh avroh" in their song v/s
Rafi's "straight" pattern.

At most Rafi could do was yell, just like what Anupa Jalota does. I
know that is very harsh words to use, but I am talking in musical
terms, not in literal terms

Also, he got the company of mediocre music directors like OP Nayyar
or Shankar-Jaikishen during 60s, who churned out songs like tasty
dishes, depending upon what public ordered. Quality was supposed to
go down. Just compare any typical 60's music to the golden 50's or
the swinging 70s. The reason why people like 60's music may be more
due to the nostalgic feeling. The people who were kids or young
during 60s. Thanks to SD Burman who gifted us "Mere Sapnon Ki Rani"
with Kishore da. The time had certainly changed. Rafi was never seen
again. Only to appear in typical "southie" movies where Lakshmikant
Pyaarelal provided music. Kishore Kumar and RD Burman ruled. A deadly
combination that still rules my heart. A Bollywood gift to me that I
will never forget.

So if you also want to enjoy that feeling, do join my group and
participate actively. This group is not only aimed at Rafi-Bashing,
but any Bollywood-music related discussion. Preference will be given
to the 70's music, when Pancham & Kishoreda ruled. However, if you
don't want to join, but you know your friend or acquaintance, who has
same views like, pass on this message to him/her.


Regards,

Shakeel



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post Oct 23 2003, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (zashakeel @ Oct 23 2003, 09:38 AM)

The e-mail address of the founder is <meghal_pandya@yahoo.com>

I've seen or heard that name somewhere..... cant remember...
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post Oct 23 2003, 04:32 PM
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Is it ZAShakeel stating this group, in the earlier posts he had sent I thought he too was a Rafi fan.

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post Oct 23 2003, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (iqbal @ Oct 23 2003, 04:32 PM)
Is it ZAShakeel stating this group, in the earlier posts he had sent I thought he too was a Rafi fan.

Iqbal



Mr. Iqbal,

Don't misunterstand me, I am still RAFI FAN and not HATER, I joined the group to see what exactly what they are doing just for curiosity man. For your information i already left the group. I am a die-hare RAFIAN.

This is for your information.

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post Oct 23 2003, 05:29 PM
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So was it not you who started the group ?

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post Oct 23 2003, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (iqbal @ Oct 23 2003, 05:29 PM)
So was it not you who started the group ?

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Dear Iqbal,

Common man, how could I dare to do this. I already gave the e-mail add of the culprit who started this hatred group. I think you better read the whole mail which I sent already addressed to Mr. Robin, the misunderstanding will be vanished.

I found this group on internet, so I think let us enter to this to find out who is the mad person behind this, so unless I got the membership I was unable to find the name and e-mail address of the owner, so I applied for the membership and after 3 days of my application he approved mine membership. Within 10 minutes of getting membership I left that group with a note to the owner to stop / scrap the group.

I hope it is pretty clear now.

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QUOTE (zashakeel @ Oct 23 2003, 12:37 PM)
membership. Within 10 minutes of getting membership I left that group with a note to the owner to stop / scrap the group.

Shakeel, you should have stayed there for couple of days more... and gotten his postal address. We all could have paid him a visit with more Rafi songs biggrin.gif Joke.e..e.e

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post Oct 23 2003, 07:24 PM
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Hi Shakeel,
Thanks for making things clear and apologies for not going thorugh all the messages.

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QUOTE (Pradeep @ Oct 23 2003, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (zashakeel @ Oct 23 2003, 09:38 AM)

The e-mail address of the founder is <meghal_pandya@yahoo.com>

I've seen or heard that name somewhere..... cant remember...
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What ridiculous kind of person is this? mad.gif Seems to me he/she has a grudge against Muslim people. You can see how he/she writes ill about Dilip Kumar on here http://meghal_bollywood.rediffblogs.com/ What a racist sicko! Seriously lacks GK and maturity, imho.

The name is also mentioned on panchamonline site. May be you saw it there, Pradeep ji.

Grrrrrrrrr
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QUOTE (Chitralekha @ Oct 23 2003, 06:03 PM)
http://meghal_bollywood.rediffblogs.com/ What a racist sicko! Seriously lacks GK and maturity, imho.

The name is also mentioned on panchamonline site. May be you saw it there, Pradeep ji.

Yaa may be... saw it on pancham site.... or may be an email sent to mohdrafi.com

The url doesnt seem to work... or may be rediff has thrown him out... rolleyes.gif

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Chitralekha ji, Pradeep ji, Shakeel ji everyone

This Meghal name i saw on pancham yahoo group
Now i remember for sure. He is or was a member of the RDB group at yahoo
and even there he said some things about Rafi like....
Rafi is overrated and he is maybe comparable to Kumar Sanu
and then he got blasted by other people for making this ludicrous statement

aah yes it's coming back
hmm maybe i can find that piece

i hope i rememberd the last name correctly

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Alright Folks, after some info digging
here is what I found...

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From: "Meghal Pandya" <meghal@r..
Date: Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Pancham] Mausam

Hi Jui

I do not want to make my opinions about Rafi public, or else I am sure I will be
kicked out of this group (tongue.gif)

But in nutshell, I belive (And so do many of my friends - and I hope many others
around the world) that he was an overrated singer just like Kumar Sanu. Or in
words of Ajit, a "pedestrian" or a "commoners" singer. For me, Manna Dey better
suits my tastes.

I cannot explain in details, but I have to show you personally the nuances,
which makes me make above statement. It is not possible to describe in words.

fyi, "Dil Dhoondhta Hai" was sung, bothy happy and sad version, by Bhupinder

Meghal

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Dekh Lijiye

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Hi Mr. Robin,

Yes I am also bit anger to see your post that there is thousand of donkeys out there who does not know the what is the music is all about.

You are abosolutely right, there is RD+RAFI and Teesri Manjil before there ws Kishore Kumar. In terms of getting more songs from MD from mid 70s to mid 80s which is hardly 10 years and I beleive it does not matter at all to compare with Rafi Sahab's 30 + long years fine and dedicated contribution to the Hindi Film Industry. But, one thing why these people forgets that, when ever there was a tough song even in 70s, MD often had to call Rafi to sing that song such as Hathi Mera Sathi song " NAFRAT KI DUNIYA CHORE KE" and more same also for Amitabh Film like " NASEEB" who can forget that "JHON JANI JANARDAN" & CHAL MEER BHAI TERE HAT JHORTA HOO" and film MUKADDAR KA SIKANDA's last few lines of "O MUKADDAR KA SIKANDER" in late 70s?? all these songs are so pupular and still people love to hear again and again.

KK got more break due to Rajesh Kanna and Amitabh perticularly used KK more for their songs and reason I don't know.. it is may be they were biased to KK or may be Rafi Sahab has reduced to singing after mid 70s.

You know? I have a qeustion to those folks, why RAFI has sung the RAJESH KANNAN song for HATI MERA SHATI? Why MD thought that KK will not be fit for that song? b'coz "NAFRAT KI DUNIYA CHORE KE" song over shadowed KK's "CHAL CHAL MERA HAATI"

So, there was no question and doubt that RAFI was a kind of singer who can sing anything with ease and perfection that the audience has felt that HERO is singing the song himself and surely KK or other singer does not had that ability to modify their voice to fit with each of the individual here.

Any way, I fee sorry for them as they do not know the facts and figures and not going in to details to say something....

thnx.
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