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visuja
post Aug 10 2005, 11:38 AM
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Nature-ji,

Your post sets off a query. Maybe Sajjad-bhai, Imran-bhai and others could clarify.

I remember watching the news telecast on Pakistan TV (for the few months it was allowed to be aired in Bombay) a few years back and was quite surprised at the language that was being spoken. Even Gen Musharraf's TV addesses that are sometimes aired on foreign channels (when they dont superimpose their translated versions on the audio) is soo different from the 'normal' Urdu which I thought I understood from my knowledge of Hindi. Are these the pure forms of Urdu or are they different dialects / versions of Urdu spoken in Pakistan ?

Its such a pleasure when listening to Dilip Kumar (Yusufsaab) and Naushad-sahab speak. Its a challenge to decipher the many words that they so effortlessly use in their regular conversation. Similarly, its a pleasure to listen to AB Vajpayee speak Hindi -- its so pure and unadulterated that most of the times I'm ashamed to say that I know Hindi !!

There was one more query I had which I had posted elsewhere (probably at an inappropriate forum):

I imagine the written alphabets of Hindi and Urdu are also different from each other:--- Hindi goes like A, Aa, I, Ii, O, Oo, etc.... Does Urdu also follow the same trend ? Or is it more english / greek-like say alpha, beta, gamma, etc .... the latter statement obviously being incorrect as I suppose Urdu would follow the Persian / Arabic system of alphabets. Maybe someone who knows both written Hindi and written Urdu could clarify ? unsure.gif

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post Aug 10 2005, 12:03 PM
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I am a BENGLA speaking person but i have very high regards for URDU.URDU is all about TEHZEEB and KHULUS.I have few acquintances who speak purest form of URDU,i just keep on listening them as if MEETHI are coming out of their mouth. clap1.gif


Yup i dun mind if URDU is taught with DEVANAGARI script.I am a very poor URDU reader,everytime i have to spell the words i read. cry.gif .


My neighbours are non-muslims but i was surprised to see that their signatures are in URDU.I was intrigued and asked them about it,the old man said he knows only urdu because in those days it was the 2nd language after english in schools.

I am very disappointed with the congress goverment ,they opened many URDU schools in DELHI only upto primary level for vote bank. cry.gif

The kids have no future after completing primary level.They struggle in ENGLISH medium or in HINDI medium schools.

Yes URDU is not a language of any region or religion.Its a language of manners.

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post Aug 10 2005, 03:39 PM
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Visuja Ji , Thanks for the message .. lots of History and other things r there to know about ...
Did I say Alphabets r same ? I am sorry, that may be wrong( In general).
I also said It follows the Hindi Grammer and about the
Alphabets they may be different, but as far as words concern. There r so many words that came
From Hindi and Persian itself. At those times, Urdu was developed by many Literati and I just
Found from different websites that they started choosing the same words in some cases and
Modifying it from Persian and Hindi. As we know, Language is not a set of words that formed it ..
Day by Day new thinking minds r coming and new words r coming ... in that way Urdu got the 2days
Shape like other Languages. We can see many words r same in Hindi and Urdu and the way we
Speak Urdu is almost same as we speak Hindi and that's why I said "It uses the same Grammer as
Hindi" ... Not my personal view, but what I got from my different conversations I am just putting it
Here, ofcourse if somebody knows well then we all would like to know more and appropriate History.
In India, Punjab is the first state where Urdu was chosen as "Official language" by the British ...
Those times, Pakistan was in India so Urdu was able to spread so quickly mainly because of its
Artistic nature and in the beginning it started to spread among the Islamic Culture ...
Regarding the Point "How Urdu is spoken in Pakistan is a way different from some other places" ..
That's happening with every Language ... Ask Humble_Rafi Ji , he is Bengali but How Calcutta
People speak is different from the ways it is spoken in other states even it is different from North
Bengal ( Siliguri side, or other rural area ) ... in most of the languages I think the way of speaking
Vary from place to place may not be much but at least a bit ..
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Please poure some Idea, if u know .. I know the Topic is learning "Urdu" but I am talking about its
History .... Is that bad ???

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post Aug 11 2005, 12:53 AM
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any language that cannot upgrade itself with time it will be a dead language. sad1.gif

just think abt SANSKRIT(technically its the best phonetic language)
and PALI language too.

we need to find alternative ways to save URDU from its extinction like its written form in hindi.

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post Aug 21 2005, 07:19 PM
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as I dont live in Bharat I dont know, but in Delhi it is written in urdu on many busses. is this only for the older generations who didn't learn devanagri, or are there people today who only learns urdu?

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post Aug 25 2005, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE(visuja @ Aug 10 2005, 02:08 AM)
There was one more query I had which I had posted elsewhere (probably at an inappropriate forum):

I imagine the written alphabets of Hindi and Urdu are also different from each other:---  Hindi goes like A, Aa, I, Ii, O, Oo, etc.... Does Urdu also follow the same trend ?  Or is it more english / greek-like say alpha, beta, gamma, etc .... the latter statement obviously being incorrect as I suppose Urdu would follow the Persian / Arabic system of alphabets.  Maybe someone who knows both written Hindi and written Urdu could clarify ?  unsure.gif

Vivek
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Vivek,
the kind of urdu you hear Dilip-saab and Naushad-saab speak is certainly a purer form, the commonspeak in India is a mixture of Hindi and Urdu. I am not sure about Urdu dialects in Pakistan, would like to hear from Imran or Inaam about that.

Now, about your query regarding the urdu alphabet, yes it is different from Hindi and is closer to Persian. The Urdu alphabet is:
Alif
be
pe
te
Te
se
jeem
che
baRi-he
khe
daal
Daal
zaal
re
Re
ze
zhe
seen
sheen
saad
zaad
to-e
zo-e
ain
ghain
fe
qaaf
kaaf
gaaf
laam
meem
noon
vaa-o
chhoTi-he
ye

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post Aug 26 2005, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(bibhas @ Aug 26 2005, 01:19 AM)
Vivek,
the kind of urdu you hear Dilip-saab and Naushad-saab speak is certainly a purer form, the commonspeak in India is a mixture of Hindi and Urdu. I am not sure about Urdu dialects in Pakistan, would like to hear from Imran or Inaam about that.
Now, about your query regarding the urdu alphabet, yes it is different from Hindi and is closer to Persian. The Urdu alphabet is:....
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Thanks bibhas bow.gif Didnt know u knew to read / write Urdu too ! unsure.gif The thing I precisely wanted to ask was whether Urdu followed a vowel + consonant system or was it more 'European' where all alphabets are arranged in one list.

An interesting observation :
English : 26 alphabets
Urdu : 35 alphabets (same as in Arabic / Persian ?)
Hindi / Sanskrit --- depending on usage ----- 12 vowels (+ 3-4) + 36 consonants.. about 48 alphabets

Is there any relation between number of alphabets and versatility / flexibility of a language ? Its a matter of permutation and combination that more the number of alphabets, more are the words that can be formed (of course, not all of them meaningful) and more are the rules of grammar associated with using those words in framing sentences. So on one hand, it brings in versatility to have a unique word for every occasion, while on the other hand, the rules of grammar could be quite overwhelming. Do you know languages which have the longest and shortest alphabet list?

I find words in Sanskrit are very precise -- as in there are no two ways of writing or pronouncing a word ---- a given word can be written and pronounced ONLY in that particular manner and both have a "one is to one" direct correspondence. While the English language as we all know "is a very phunny language". Theres no way to be certain of the spelling of a word, simply by hearing its pronouncation, and vice versa. (Some call that flexibility!)

My observation is simply based on my (limited) knowledge of Sanskrit and some knowledge of English (and absolutely no knowledge of Urdu).

Please feel free to correct / criticise my observations. My only purpose is to learn more about the different systems of alphabets arrangement and the features it offers to that particular language.

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post Aug 27 2005, 01:38 AM
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Thank u Bibhas Ji and Visuja Ji for writing such a nice Letter. The Obervations u made
felt so good to know. Thank u Bibhas Ji for telling the Urdu "Alphabets" .. as u said
It is closed to Persian .. can u show us some Persian Alphabets .. and also which letters
In Urdu resemble the letters in Hindi or English .. would like to know more ... and eager to
Learn Urdu too .. don't know whether it will be possible here or not .. Bye

Waiting for a reply ...

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Aur heraa-pheri hain bhi
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post Oct 17 2006, 08:58 AM
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URDU IS BASICALLY VERY SIMILAR TO ARABIC IN SCRIPTURE.
URDU AND HINDI BOLNAY MAIN KAAFI SIMILAR HAIN PER LIKHNAY MAIN BUHAT DIFFERENT.
THE URDU WHICH IS SPOKEN IN PAKISTAN IS NOT MIXED UP WITH OTHER LANGUAGES
EXCEPT ENGLISH.BUT IN INDIA HINDI IS MIXED UP WITH MANY LANGUAGES AS INDIA IS A
HIGHLY POPULATED COUNTRY IT HAS MANY LANGUAGES.
BUT IN PAKISTAN YOU WILL FIND THAT IN MOST OF THE PROVICES URDU IS SPOKEN.
IN PUNJAB PEOPLE SPOKE URDU AND PUNJABI.
IN NWFP AND BALOCHISTAN MOST OF PEOPLE SPOKE PASHTO.AND
IN SINDH PEOPLE SPOKE SINDHI BUT MOST OF THEM ARE URDU SPEAKING.

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