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Posted by: past21 Dec 25 2003, 03:37 PM

Room,
As u all know, Sonu started his Carrier as Copycating Rafi Saheb, like many other Singers(Mahendra Kapoor, Mohd Aziz,Anwar) to name a few........
But according to me if v exclude Kapoor Saheb(as he is the Only "Shagird" of Rafi Saheb, only Sonu fulfill the Requirement to be a Full Fledge Singer and a person 2(Rafi Saheb was a Gem of a singer and Person) leaving every1 far behind(V can only THINK of Anwar, but he is lagging far behind- thanks to his passion for WineS!
)
So can v rate sonu as Rafi Saheb's Best Clone or Will there b new ones?
Hope to hear a lot from u all
More to come.............








...Pawan

Posted by: Pradeep Dec 25 2003, 03:51 PM

Undoubtedly!!!

Posted by: Nimii Dec 25 2003, 04:38 PM

Ya allah! Ya Khuda ! Yeh kya ho raha hai sad.gif

Posted by: Chitralekha Dec 26 2003, 12:04 AM

Yes, he's the closest one, but there can only be one original. smile.gif

Posted by: Nimii Dec 26 2003, 11:26 AM

nimii bangs her head on kb sad.gif

tsk tsk:(

Posted by: Pradeep Dec 26 2003, 02:25 PM

keyboard nahin chahiye tho ... de de de de de de de de mujhko..

Posted by: past21 Dec 26 2003, 06:19 PM

N,
If u repeat the task of Kybrd Hitting
u will get,
"Abort,Retry Error"
So Plz Salm than Head of urs at any other Place(What abt The Table, Carrying ur Monitors Weight?)
;-)



(As KK would say:-------
"Hum Bolenga to Bolengo ki Bolta hai"


Pawan

Posted by: past21 Dec 26 2003, 07:38 PM

Judge ur Self How is Sonu Doing.......?

Posted by: past21 Dec 26 2003, 08:09 PM

And what abt this Old one from Sonu

Posted by: Nimii Dec 26 2003, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Pradeep @ Dec 26 2003, 08:55 AM)
keyboard nahin chahiye tho ... de de de de de de de de mujhko..

arghhhhhhhh keyboard tik rahega lekin mera thopda break hoga re :E

N :EEEEEEEEEE

Posted by: Nimii Dec 26 2003, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (past21 @ Dec 26 2003, 12:49 PM)
N,
If u repeat the task of Kybrd Hitting
u will get,
"Abort,Retry Error"
So Plz Salm than Head of urs at any other Place(What abt The Table, Carrying ur Monitors Weight?)
;-)



(As KK would say:-------
"Hum Bolenga to Bolengo ki Bolta hai"


Pawan

ha ha ha Pawan good one wink.gif


ayyooooooooooooo i dont need any songs to judge..

Sonu sings his songs best.. that is it I would prefer to keep my trap shut as regards others aspects wink.gif

N tongue.gif

Posted by: Chitralekha Dec 26 2003, 11:46 PM

QUOTE (Nimii @ Dec 26 2003, 07:26 AM)
QUOTE (Pradeep @ Dec 26 2003, 08:55 AM)
keyboard nahin chahiye tho ... de de de de de de de de mujhko..

arghhhhhhhh keyboard tik rahega lekin mera thopda break hoga re :E

N :EEEEEEEEEE

LOL I hope there was no damage tongue.gif kaash there was undo key on there!! *sighhh*

Posted by: Nimii Dec 27 2003, 09:55 AM

no no a crack developed last nite.. now I got a splittin headache sad.gif

Posted by: rafik2 Jun 2 2005, 09:16 PM


I have no problem of listening to Rafi Clones... n hope there will be more in future smile1.gif... some ppl are so much against cloning singing... i dont really understand why?

Posted by: princeali Jun 2 2005, 10:39 PM

All the past Rafi clones failed to emulate the great singer simply because they did not have the range nor the voice to sing every kind of song.

I would say currently Sonu is the best Rafi clone out of all of them because he has a good range although you cannot compare their voices, Rafi saab's was pure magic whereas Sonu Nigam has a great voice.

I think Sonu should develop his own style, if he hasn't already, it would be better than just copying Rafi saab.

Posted by: humble_rafi Jun 2 2005, 11:21 PM

in my opinion sonu is't the best clone so far not even a full fledge singer.ever clone of had their days and then they disappeared like a ghost.


sonu can only copy the light range of RAFI SAHAB,he has been in the indusrty for more then 10 yrs but he never changed his voice.he is too arrogant.


if i really respect any clone of RAFI SAHAB it is none other then MAHINDER KAPOOR coz he delevoped his own voice though he remained as a copycat like others.


same is applicaple to KISHORE DA's clones and MUKESH's clones.


a clone has a very short career

Posted by: princeali Jun 3 2005, 12:07 AM

The times when Sonu has changed his voice is according to trends or the demands of the people involved with the film, i.e. music directors, producers etc. It is really disheartening to see him sing like a Kumar Sanu or Udit instead of singing like himself. If he sticks to his normal voice he is a good singer. His songs for example in Refugee were a treat. Ever wonder why he didn't get a break for such a long time, because politics kept him out when he clearly was more talented than others.

Anyhow, Sonu Nigam's voice or even the past clones who sounded similar to Rafi saab aren't even close to the golden voice, they all still lack the depth.

Humble_rafi bhai mentioned a point about Sonu's arrogance. I attended one of his stage shows here in Toronto, and when a person took a pic of him, he got upset and didn't like it at all.

Posted by: humble_rafi Jun 3 2005, 12:37 AM

HAZAROON SAALE NARGIS AAPNI BENOORI PE ROOTI HAI
BADI HI MUSHKIL SE HOTA HAI CHAMMAN MEIN MOHAMMED RAFI SAHAB PAIDA

Posted by: RafiKiAwaaz Jun 3 2005, 01:26 AM

I think I will make this my last reply on this clone issue. Sonu and others should stick to their own songs. They have hard time pleasing with their own style let alone singing Rafi Ji's. Sonu Nigam is NOT a great singer but a mediocre one. I have listened to him and he is one BORING singer. Please, use your head not your emotions and hear the quality of voice. Udit is good.
Viraj

Posted by: princeali Jun 3 2005, 01:58 AM

Sonu can atleast sing melodic content as opposed to Udit or Sanu etc. who I prefer not to comment on tongue.gif . His recent 'Kal Ho Na Ho' was a pretty good job, it did fetch him an award did it not.

Since this is about clones of Rafi saab, and not other singers singing skills, I'll leave the discussion at that smile1.gif.

Posted by: SAJJAD Jun 3 2005, 03:41 AM

Sonu sounds great/better with "EXTRA" echo...but his real voice lacks bass! Main difference btw clone(s) vs Rafi saab voice - Maturity/sweetness/clarity/range/dard!


Posted by: kurtcobain Jun 3 2005, 08:22 PM

allow me to add my view guys...i apologise if i have hurt any of your sentiments

rafi sahab had too many qualities in his voice for one singer to be able to copy them all......but several singers have tried bit by bit

for eg,

softness- anwar and vipin used to get the tender gentle expression of rafi sahab fairly well

high pitch intensity- mohd aziz and at times shabbir kumar were good on the high tones, but they had rough voices on lower pitches, and where singing demanded soft expression

sonu nigam, well, i think sonu is the worst rafi clone ever...but then, thats why he is the most successfull among them all. by integrating the siniging styles of several singers (including sanu da), he has come up with his own 'original' style

to an extent this also applies to kumar sanu, who is probably worse at singing kishore kumars songs than abhijeet and babul are......but thats why he is the most successful, and has been able to formulate his own unique style of singing (softness like rafi on the lower pitches, nasal touch like mukesh on the intense high pitch...with a 'dard/senti' effect)...added to the mature quality of kishore da's voice

CONCLUSION: the worse 'clone' you are, the better your chances are of progressing as a singer in this industry, otherwise the label will never leave you

to an extent, if you have a voice different from the singer you copy (sonu's voice is harder than rafi's while sanu da's voice is softer and more nasal than kishore's), and still you manage to pull youself off as a clone, then i guess that also proves your talent at voice modulation , which also helps in progression of career......apart from helping you develop a unique singing style of your own

Posted by: SAJJAD Jun 3 2005, 09:38 PM

QUOTE(past21 @ Dec 25 2003, 03:37 PM)
V can only THINK of Anwar, but he is lagging far behind- thanks to his passion for WineS!
...Pawan
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Anwar drinks????? ohmy.gif Are u sure???

Posted by: suhana_safar Jun 4 2005, 05:53 PM

QUOTE(SAJJAD @ Jun 3 2005, 09:38 PM)
QUOTE(past21 @ Dec 25 2003, 03:37 PM)
V can only THINK of Anwar, but he is lagging far behind- thanks to his passion for WineS!
...Pawan
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Anwar drinks????? ohmy.gif Are u sure???
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Sajjad Bhai

I was avoiding this thread for reasons I do no wish to go into. I bame you for getting me into it. laugh.gif

blab.gif Sajjad bhai what are you doing here discussing clones, humble rafi ji and prince ali bhai te same applies to you.

By the way our fiend is write about Anwar, he has drowned himself in the wrong waters.

Asha Sachdev the small time actress is his real sister. There was a time he was recoding 30 songs in a month. Feel sorry for the bloke. He could not digest the fact that he was the best Rafi clone.

Sajjad Bhai what are you up to. Where are those LP numbers.

Posted by: AzgarKhan Jun 5 2005, 06:33 AM

QUOTE(RafiKiAwaaz @ Jun 3 2005, 01:26 AM)
I think I will make this my last reply on this clone issue. Sonu and others should stick to their own songs. They have hard time pleasing with their own style let alone singing Rafi Ji's. Sonu Nigam is NOT a great singer but a mediocre one. I have listened to him and he is one BORING singer. Please, use your head not your emotions and hear the quality of voice. Udit is good.
Viraj
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I agree!!

If anyone has the SONU's version of Rafi's number KHILONA JAAN KAR TUM TOH (Movie: Khilona), please listen to it. You would never hear SONU again, and as far as my singing knowledge goes its not a high scale number. Sonu Nigam cant sing his own numbers in high scale, listen to the song in L.O.C, "Pyar bhara geet koi", he failed miserably in the Antra.

The idea of cloning hit the music industry when people wanted Stereo version's of old songs. Most listeners of Cloned music have no idea about music. The target audience are poor listeners who want stereo effects with melody, and the culprit was the CEO of T-Series (Gulshan Kumar).

I could be wrong, but thats what I think about Clone singers.

Posted by: iqbal Jun 6 2005, 09:17 PM


Azgarji, what do you think of my ‘Khilona’ version ?


http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11246

Posted by: princeali Jun 6 2005, 11:12 PM

QUOTE(suhana_safar @ Jun 4 2005, 07:23 AM)
QUOTE(SAJJAD @ Jun 3 2005, 09:38 PM)
QUOTE(past21 @ Dec 25 2003, 03:37 PM)
V can only THINK of Anwar, but he is lagging far behind- thanks to his passion for WineS!
...Pawan
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Anwar drinks????? ohmy.gif Are u sure???
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blab.gif Sajjad bhai what are you doing here discussing clones, humble rafi ji and prince ali bhai te same applies to you.

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LoL suhana bhai, I couldn't help it tongue.gif laugh.gif

We all know that none of his clones or for that matter his non-clones can never reach his standards, as Rafi saab was in a class of his own.

Posted by: SAJJAD Jun 7 2005, 01:42 AM

QUOTE(suhana_safar @ Jun 4 2005, 05:53 PM)
blab.gif Sajjad bhai what are you doing here discussing clones, humble rafi ji and prince ali bhai te same applies to you.

Why not? huh.gif

By the way our fiend is write about Anwar, he has drowned himself in the wrong waters.

Asha Sachdev the small time actress is his real sister. There was a time he was recoding 30 songs in a month. Feel sorry for the bloke. He could not digest the fact that he was the best Rafi clone.

ohmy.gif How can she be his sister? She is hindu! she was cute and naram garam tongue.gif
Sajjad Bhai what are you up to. Where are those LP numbers.

Nothing new man....Now, i can't download or upload any songs cry.gif At work, they loaded some security software on our PC to prevent us from uploading/downloading zip files! Also, i can't chat on yahoo or other chat sites....i am pi$$ed abuse.gif  What LPs??? I don't have a single LP! I belong to CD/MP3 generation tongue.gif U have mistaken me for Unni Bhai laugh.gif

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Posted by: AzgarKhan Jun 7 2005, 06:08 PM

QUOTE(iqbal @ Jun 6 2005, 09:17 PM)
Azgarji, what do you think of my ‘Khilona’ version ?


http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11246
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Nice one Iqbal Bhai, Here is my version of the same song.

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=12110

Posted by: khan Apr 8 2006, 04:37 PM

Yes, of course Sonu is behind Rafi Sahib alongwith Anwar. But I would say that Sonu has the talent to sing Rafi Sahib songs... his voice is of course matured and melodious...

Posted by: RafiKiAwaaz Apr 10 2006, 09:45 PM

When will this STOP!!! AS I have said earlier, I have heard both Rafi Sahab and Sonu Nigam in
real, with my own ears and DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!! There is NO MATCH. Please stop this nonsense, Sonu Nigam has a mediocre voice, he doesn't sound anything like Rafi Sahab. Sorry for the harsh words but this comparison MUST stop. Still someone who has a great voice like Rafi Sahab is Mahendra Kapoor. I heard him few months back, what a voice.
RafiKiAwaaz

Posted by: nadeem mohd Apr 26 2006, 06:41 AM

hi guys.. i think anwar sang 1 or 2 songs from the movie janta hawadar which were little similar to rafi sahabs voice. i think he was similar to 10% of rafi sahabs voice. And about sonu nigam, i think he doesnt match 10 % of anwars voice also. i think it is impossible to match rafi sahab and sonu nigam. RAFI SAHAB IS A LENGEND AND REMAIN LEGEND ALWAYS... BYE biggrin.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 12 2006, 09:56 AM

People hardly think abt language while commenting on other singers (other then their fav one.)

Can u ever create a voice similar to Rafi ??? Anwar was the first one. Shabbir was tried by LP for few years and then Mohd aziz. and now Sonu.

Aaj tak koi exact copy mili??? every one had some quality of Rafi's voice.but no one was complete.

Anwar was closest one but even his voice had some problems. same thing applies for others who came after him.

Iam of the view Rafi sab was the best singer till now. but yaar at least dusre singers ko down to mat karo ki unki awaj ko mediocre bana do???

The whole world knows abt similarity of Sonu's voice with tht of Rafi's. Sonu's Rafi song cassettes have sold millions of copies. log itne bewkoof nehi hai ki Rafi ki awaj hi nehi pehchante???

Film industry mein cut throat competition hai... ek singer hata nehi ke hunderds talented singers uski jagah lene ke liye tayar. Ab agar aap log yeh kaho ke aaj ke top singers just ek mediocre voice hai to shayad I think India mein talent ka bahut bura haal hai. shayad tabhi National awards ab mediocre singers ko deye jaate hain??

This what Manna dey once said to Sonu nigam :

"you are born in the wrong era. You should have been born during our era, then we would have been your worthy competitors".

Even I used to hate one KK clone.but I never used to call him mediocre singer or with 5-10% capability singer.

Sonu ki voice mein kamiyan ho sakti hai but atleast itna bura bhi nehi hai jitna aap logo ne bana diya hai.

Voice similar hai ya nehi.......apna apna view hai....but atleast " singing capability" per useless comment mat karo. plz take care in future..this is request. unsure.gif




god bless

Sonu



Posted by: NATURE Jun 12 2006, 03:27 PM

well, some points about sonu nigam ...

+(ve) points
1. very good in singing many rafi songs
2. very good in singing many semi classical songs
3. the range is quite good

-(ve) points
1. almost sucks when it comes to singing in high pitch, it seems he hardly
does the job and the melody & rhythm of the song get changed
2. very light voice, totally zero base.
3. whether it is romantic or sad, he uses his tipical style. i am not able to
describe that particular way singing, but that's his identity to me ...

only few singers i have found, whos voices remain absolutely masculine, 100% base no matter
whether they r singing in low pitch or in high pitch. kishore kumar(from old days), udit nayaran, abhijeet,
and yesudas ( among 2days ) r a few to name ... but it matters how versatile u r. 2days, udit has a different voice
and has 6 yrs of hindustani classical training but i doubt how good he is in singing even semi classical
songs ... and also sucks in singing songs where we find lots of ups & downs( i said that already),
simple and plain songs suit his voice better ... but i prefer his voice over sonu.
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QUOTE(oye_sonu @ Jun 12 2006, 10:56 AM) *

Aaj tak koi exact copy mili??? every one had some quality of Rafi's voice.but no one was complete.

oye sonu, exact copy agar mil jaaye to exact aur copy mein farq kya rah jaayegaa ? kuchh to
differences, dissimilarities hogaa naa ? after all, they r two different persons ...

Posted by: Nimii Jun 12 2006, 04:23 PM

QUOTE
-(ve) points
1. almost sucks when it comes to singing in high pitch, it seems he hardly
does the job and the melody & rhythm of the song get changed
2. very light voice, totally zero base.
3. whether it is romantic or sad, he uses his tipical style. i am not able to
describe that particular way singing, but that's his identity to me ...



I only agree with these points with you Nature unsure.gif

Rest I am not going to comment :Mouth sealed:

N

QUOTE
but i prefer his voice over sonu.


Any day!

Posted by: AzgarKhan Jun 12 2006, 06:06 PM

Above all SONU doesnt have PAIN/SUFFERING in his voice. Lacks expression.

There is no comparision - Period.

Posted by: Nimii Jun 12 2006, 06:27 PM

laugh.gif Azgar rollf.gif Well said tongue1.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 12 2006, 06:28 PM

Okay great udit/sonu are not good. Its better to give reasons like above then to use useless words to describe singers.

So I dont have much problem with watevr u have written.

Now tell me abt ur choice, who among the current singers is better then these two !!


Waiting for reply


Sonu

Posted by: Nimii Jun 12 2006, 06:30 PM

We are givin reasons only and not calling names Sonu!

Best singer??

I have stopped looking for one.. I juz go by the song .. singers seem secondary these days sad1.gif

N doh.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 12 2006, 07:03 PM

QUOTE(NATURE @ Jun 12 2006, 04:27 PM) *

only few singers i have found, whos voices remain "absolutely masculine", 100% base no matter
whether they r singing in low pitch or in high pitch. kishore kumar(from old days), udit nayaran, abhijeet,
and yesudas ( among 2days ) r a few to name ...

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QUOTE(oye_sonu @ Jun 12 2006, 10:56 AM) *

Aaj tak koi exact copy mili??? every one had some quality of Rafi's voice.but no one was complete.

oye sonu, exact copy agar mil jaaye to exact aur copy mein farq kya rah jaayegaa ? kuchh to
differences, dissimilarities hogaa naa ? after all, they r two different persons ...


People were complaing that Sonu cant be said to be Rafi clone.......thats why i wrote abt exact copy.
He is among Rafi clones we cant ignore this. Stop waiting for some one having exact 100% rafi voice.



Sonu

Posted by: Nimii Jun 12 2006, 07:07 PM

Wait! Why do we need someone like Rafi Sahab?!?!

My question is do we need clones?

Mebbe I dont think like you all do! Juz my opinion.

N doh.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 12 2006, 08:36 PM

Sonu Nigam's Critic s :

"Khoobsoorat hai tu to hoon main bhi hasin
tu mujhe Aazmaane ki koshish na kar"


just remember no one is perfect thumbs-up.gif .


Sonu

Posted by: Nimii Jun 12 2006, 08:45 PM

Perfection is not we are not talking about laugh.gif

Posted by: RafiKiAwaaz Jun 12 2006, 09:15 PM

Well, you people force me to join this topic, though this has gone on too long. On my behalf, I am going to record Rafi Sahab's song form Dosti (Chaaunga Mei Tuhje) and tell me if there are people who can sing like our beloved Rafi Sahab. It is coming soon, but in the meantime just listen to Rafi Sahab's voice, the depth is amazing, Sonu has none. I have heard them both in real life and ears don't lie.
RKA!!!

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 12 2006, 09:16 PM

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 12 2006, 09:45 PM) *

Perfection is not we are not talking about laugh.gif


Kehne ka matlab hai jis tarah sonu nigam ki pitai ho rahi hai waise hi aapke singer ki bhi dhunai ho sakti hai.....coz wo bhi perfect nehi hai.....so take care abt wt u write. cool.gif

apoon thoda desi lang mein agaya cool.gif

Sonu



Posted by: RafiKiAwaaz Jun 12 2006, 09:24 PM

There are still many great singers and great voices that are not in the lime light and some of them can sing like the Maestro. One will soon put a song on for all of you to hear.
RKA

Posted by: SAJJAD Jun 13 2006, 12:25 AM

QUOTE(RafiKiAwaaz @ Jun 3 2005, 01:26 AM) *

I think I will make this my last reply on this clone issue. Sonu and others should stick to their own songs. They have hard time pleasing with their own style let alone singing Rafi Ji's. Sonu Nigam is NOT a great singer but a mediocre one. I have listened to him and he is one BORING singer. Please, use your head not your emotions and hear the quality of voice. Udit is good.
Viraj


I agree with U 100%! His voice is NO where near Rafi Saab! Like U, i have seen him perform on stage....he is NO Rafi! With ALL the high tech and echo, his cover version songs resemble the original, but if u drop all the high tech. settings, his voice is very thin...I have the DVD of 50th Filmfare anniversary show, he sang few Rafi Saab's songs, he didn't sound anything like Rafi saab! IMHO, all clones r cheap imitations regardless of who the original singer is.

Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 12:42 AM

Sajjad rollf.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: bawlachintu Jun 13 2006, 12:50 PM

QUOTE(SAJJAD @ Jun 13 2006, 12:25 AM) *

QUOTE(RafiKiAwaaz @ Jun 3 2005, 01:26 AM) *

I think I will make this my last reply on this clone issue. Sonu and others should stick to their own songs. They have hard time pleasing with their own style let alone singing Rafi Ji's. Sonu Nigam is NOT a great singer but a mediocre one. I have listened to him and he is one BORING singer. Please, use your head not your emotions and hear the quality of voice. Udit is good.
Viraj


I agree with U 100%! His voice is NO where near Rafi Saab! Like U, i have seen him perform on stage....he is NO Rafi! With ALL the high tech and echo, his cover version songs resemble the original, but if u drop all the high tech. settings, his voice is very thin...I have the DVD of 50th Filmfare anniversary show, he sang few Rafi Saab's songs, he didn't sound anything like Rafi saab! IMHO, all clones r cheap imitations regardless of who the original singer is.

100% true.

As far as best new singer is concerned, it could be me too rollf.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 13 2006, 03:27 PM

QUOTE(bawlachintu @ Jun 13 2006, 01:50 PM) *

QUOTE(SAJJAD @ Jun 13 2006, 12:25 AM) *

QUOTE(RafiKiAwaaz @ Jun 3 2005, 01:26 AM) *

I think I will make this my last reply on this clone issue. Sonu and others should stick to their own songs. They have hard time pleasing with their own style let alone singing Rafi Ji's. Sonu Nigam is NOT a great singer but a mediocre one. I have listened to him and he is one BORING singer. Please, use your head not your emotions and hear the quality of voice. Udit is good.
Viraj


I agree with U 100%! His voice is NO where near Rafi Saab! Like U, i have seen him perform on stage....he is NO Rafi! With ALL the high tech and echo, his cover version songs resemble the original, but if u drop all the high tech. settings, his voice is very thin...I have the DVD of 50th Filmfare anniversary show, he sang few Rafi Saab's songs, he didn't sound anything like Rafi saab! IMHO, all clones r cheap imitations regardless of who the original singer is.

100% true.

As far as best new singer is concerned, it could be me too rollf.gif


To chintu bhai aap bhi yehi sochte hai Sonu ki awaj match nehi karti Rafi se???( not singing calibre)

Singer kitne calibre ka hai yeh baad ki baat ajaati hai........pros aur cons kisi singer ka discuss karna bada lamba kaam hai. shayad yeh log sach ho.

but yahan per to logo ne Sonu ko clone manne se bhi mana kar diya hai laugh.gif laugh.gif . chalo apna no bhi fir jaldi ayega.....
Agar aajkal ke MDs agar isi tarah ke kaam lete rahe mediocre voices se, apna no door nehi.


Sonu

Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 05:47 PM

Mimicking bhi koi chidiya ka naam hai kya?!?!?!

N unsure.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 13 2006, 08:30 PM

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 13 2006, 06:47 PM) *

Mimicking bhi koi chidiya ka naam hai kya?!?!?!

N unsure.gif


kon karta hai mimiking unsure.gif gal samjha nehi



Sonu

Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 08:34 PM

Kaun ho sakta hai Sonu?? sochho sochho tongue1.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 13 2006, 08:38 PM

Idono unsure.gif

Dimaag Tubelight weak hai jara.......jalne mein time lagta hai thoda biggrin.gif

Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 08:41 PM

Ayyoooooooooo headbang.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 13 2006, 08:44 PM

u mean Sonu nigam karta hai

Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 08:46 PM

Phew finally you got it!!!!!!!!!! sigh.gif

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 13 2006, 08:48 PM

chalo ek to mila jo kehta hai Sonu mimic karta hai...tht is his voice does matches.....biggrin.gif

Thanks nimmi........ bus yehi proove karna tha... biggrin.gif


Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 08:52 PM

Mimickin need not necessarily mean it is exact tongue1.gif

Posted by: RafiKiAwaaz Jun 13 2006, 08:59 PM

Then, I will record a Rafi Sahab's song and you tell me if I sound like him or not, song coming soon.
RKA

Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 09:15 PM

But RKA you are not Rafi Sahab clone na ohmy.gif

N doh.gif

Posted by: bawlachintu Jun 13 2006, 09:16 PM

The person who could reach close to Great Rafi was Anwar only. Wo bhi 50% only. Depthless

No hard feelings. That's how I could evaluate Anwar on percent-scale.

And, the person who lets out Rafi songs on stage, from heart, is Mohammed Aziz. Watch Sony Tv's harmony
featuring Mohd Aziz.

Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 09:17 PM

QUOTE(oye_sonu @ Jun 13 2006, 08:48 PM) *
chalo ek to mila jo kehta hai Sonu mimic karta hai...tht is his voice does matches..... biggrin.gif

Thanks nimmi........ bus yehi proove karna tha... biggrin.gif



Oye Sonu mujhe shaque hai ke tu kahin SN to nahi!!!!!!! Itna uska defend kar raha hai tu ohmy.gif

Posted by: RafiKiAwaaz Jun 13 2006, 09:27 PM

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 13 2006, 08:45 AM) *

But RKA you are not Rafi Sahab clone na ohmy.gif

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Regardless, I have no choice in this matter Nimii Ji, Rafi Sahab came first and created the great sensation with his great style and voice. I am neverthless his biggest fan, therfore I sing his music because his music brings the best in my voice. I would have love to sing my own song but fate or destiny had other path for me. I also got hit by lung disease that didn't help either. An interesting fate of events, like Sonu Nigam I also went to Bollywood to be a playback singer in the 80's and sang for Bapphi Lahari Ji. It was extremely tough in those days to be in Bollywood. I did impress Bappi Ji a lot with my voice because I had great range. Bappi Ji's exact words to me, you have a fantastic voice.
RKA

Posted by: balajigade Jun 13 2006, 09:35 PM

Dears;
As an ardent fan (never fanatic) of Rafi and the songs of singers of yester years, I have a few points to add. Let's not start comparing one singer with the other. Every one has an ideal---whether he is a sports personality, an actor or a singer. Gavaskar had Jaisimha as his hero in his younger days, Sachin had Gavaskar and Sehwag has Sachin--maybe they tried to play like their heros intially, but developed their own style. Even the greatest Lata had Noorjehan in her mind intially & Rafi had GM Durrani. When the artists of younger generation perform, they always have their hero in mind and try to compare intially themselves with them, do we call it imitation? Suman had a voice similar to Lata but let me not be harsh on her that she was imitating the legend. Nitin has a voice which slightly resembles the senior Mukesh and Chandru has a very similar voice like that of the senior Atma. Perhaps the fault lies with us that when we hear a song from a junior artist singing a song of Talat, say for example, we try unknowingly to rate him how best he has sung like Talat---because we have already that particular song in mind to compare with. Anwar took a leaf out of Rafi's book when he sang qasme hum apni jaan ki... in 'Mere Gharib Nawaz'----surely Rafi could have sung it better--but let me appreciate how well he sang. Sonu Nigam is a very good singer--the best to my opinion among the male singers of these days. Lekin us bechare ki kya ghalati hai ki us ki awaaz Rafi Sa'ab se kuchh had tak milti julti hai ?

--Balaji

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 13 2006, 10:03 PM

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 13 2006, 10:17 PM) *

QUOTE(oye_sonu @ Jun 13 2006, 08:48 PM) *
chalo ek to mila jo kehta hai Sonu mimic karta hai...tht is his voice does matches..... biggrin.gif

Thanks nimmi........ bus yehi proove karna tha... biggrin.gif



Oye Sonu mujhe shaque hai ke tu kahin SN to nahi!!!!!!! Itna uska defend kar raha hai tu ohmy.gif


tongue1.gif Nehi SN bola 10 years tak apoon gayega fir teri baari. maine kaha chal theek hai ash kar i will wait !!


Nimmi ji and others dont take me wrong. ]I have no where tried to defend Sonu's singing capaility.

I am big Rafi- KK fan. that is the reason I like all clones shabbir- anwar ,MA, abhijeet, Vinod rathod shaan etc

Meri thread mein problem sirf Language se rahi hai. just go back and look wht they have wrtten.

Sonu is not a complete singer...got many flaws....agree. but yaar kam se kam chhezo ko exaggrate karke koyon likhte ho???........Agar guts hai to same "words" dusre old Untrained singers per likho na??

Kaya same words main dusre singers ke leye use kar sakta hoon.???

I never go to RMIM coz i know i will get upset after reading posts. Its free for all over there. Thats why i feel beter in yahoo grps and forums like HF where there is moderation and evry thing is said respectfullly.


I hated KS for years just coz of his nasal voice. But still I "never ever " publicly used words lke " he Sucks", he is just mediocre, got zero base etc .I never said this coz I knew tht he is not that bad . theek hai kuch kammi hai but itna bura nehi hai ki apni irritation mein KS ko D level ka bana doon.
And then i know it can hurt his fans......

Agar apne singer ko respect dena chahte ho to dusre singer ko bhi respect karo.. Dont exaggrate things.

If National award winner singer is mediocre then I dare all those critics to replce him with bettr singers( or start singing themselves). yahan per to Alaam yeh hai log Clone maane ko bhi nehi tayar. bad clone ya good clone kuu ch bhi nehi. Sadke jawaan !!

I will reply against any post in which soem one will use such words for ANY singer.

open to corrections

god bless
Sonu


Posted by: Nimii Jun 13 2006, 10:58 PM

See Sonu, every singer has good and badly sung songs.. no doubt. Initially all of them tend to copy their mentor.. all the legends have done it too.. but they have developed their own styles in a short span of time and have not clung to singing like their mentors.

All I wish to state is cloning is not required when god has been kind and they have been blessed with nice voices.. they should develop their own styles and sing.

We are tired of listening to cloned voices.. we want something different .. is that wrong?

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Posted by: NATURE Jun 15 2006, 03:18 PM

QUOTE(oye_sonu @ Jun 13 2006, 11:03 PM) *

I hated KS for years just coz of his nasal voice. But still I "never ever " publicly used words lke " he
Sucks"
, he is just mediocre, got zero base etc
.I never said this coz I knew tht he is not that bad.
theek hai kuch kammi hai but itna bura nehi hai ki apni irritation mein KS ko D level ka bana doon.
And then i know it can hurt his fans......

sorry sonu ji, i have used the underlined words. i didn't mean to hurt the fans and in that way
i happened to hurt u. i am extreamly sorry. i mentioned both + and - points, no intention to hurt anybody ...

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 12 2006, 05:23 PM) *

I only agree with these points with you Nature unsure.gif

at which point, u can't agree with me nimmi ji ? i am not correct at all points. as usual what i try to do
to the max is: find all the + and - points of the singers ... so i thought to pen them down.
don't u agree with everything else other than what u have quoted ? or the + points of sonu and - points of
udit that i mentioned ??? let me tell u these ...

1. nobody campares sonu with rafi, i don't. but i listened to many songs, like "likhe jo khat tujhe" , "janam
janam ka saath ho" , "kaun hai jo sapno mein" etc and he is good cause i never expect rafi come out of
sonu versions, rather i expect a sonu trying to follow rafi.
to be fair, he has done fair job ... he does well
unless there is an abrupt change in the song(like high pitch) where his voice cracks and this is also true that
he doesn't have that much melody and pain in his voice ... so he can sing some songs but not all ...

2. about - points of udit ? tell me these: a--> very romantic song, b--> very sad song, c--> very tough song
( even with classical flavor) and then tell me how good he is in all of these ??? what i find unique is his voice
and not his singing capacity ...

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 13 2006, 11:58 PM) *

All I wish to state is cloning is not required when god has been kind and they have been blessed with nice
voices.. they should develop their own styles and sing.

We are tired of listening to cloned voices.. we want something different .. is that wrong?

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nothing wrong dear ... u r very much true.
at 1 point only, i don't hate the clones is: do they sing a bit like the mentors ??? yes ?, cause
we all used the word "clone" here. if u can copy the voice of "shreya ghoshal" then this is yr talent.
if somebody can talk like big b then it's a talent but u can't leave a mark unless u show yr own style and
personality ...

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 12 2006, 08:07 PM) *

Wait! Why do we need someone like Rafi Sahab?!?!

My question is do we need clones?

Mebbe I dont think like you all do! Juz my opinion.

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as i already said, the question is not whether we need a clone or not, question is do some singers
sing like their mentors ??? rest is transparent .... and i am at yr side. i don't need any clone. that's good ... laugh.gif
but i appreciate if somebody can copy someone else's voice even it is 50%, don't u ??? laugh.gif
( like i heard sunil pal in great indian laughter chalenge copied udit's voice though he is not a singer)
QUOTE(RafiKiAwaaz @ Jun 13 2006, 10:27 PM) *

An interesting fate of events, like Sonu Nigam I also went to Bollywood to be a playback singer in the
80's and sang for Bapphi Lahari Ji.


jump.gif i need yr songs, plz upload ... no mater it matches or not but u r a singer ...

Posted by: RafiKiAwaaz Jun 15 2006, 09:36 PM

QUOTE(NATURE @ Jun 15 2006, 02:48 AM) *

QUOTE(oye_sonu @ Jun 13 2006, 11:03 PM) *

I hated KS for years just coz of his nasal voice. But still I "never ever " publicly used words lke " he
Sucks"
, he is just mediocre, got zero base etc
.I never said this coz I knew tht he is not that bad.
theek hai kuch kammi hai but itna bura nehi hai ki apni irritation mein KS ko D level ka bana doon.
And then i know it can hurt his fans......

sorry sonu ji, i have used the underlined words. i didn't mean to hurt the fans and in that way
i happened to hurt u. i am extreamly sorry. i mentioned both + and - points, no intention to hurt anybody ...

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 12 2006, 05:23 PM) *

I only agree with these points with you Nature unsure.gif

at which point, u can't agree with me nimmi ji ? i am not correct at all points. as usual what i try to do
to the max is: find all the + and - points of the singers ... so i thought to pen them down.
don't u agree with everything else other than what u have quoted ? or the + points of sonu and - points of
udit that i mentioned ??? let me tell u these ...

1. nobody campares sonu with rafi, i don't. but i listened to many songs, like "likhe jo khat tujhe" , "janam
janam ka saath ho" , "kaun hai jo sapno mein" etc and he is good cause i never expect rafi come out of
sonu versions, rather i expect a sonu trying to follow rafi.
to be fair, he has done fair job ... he does well
unless there is an abrupt change in the song(like high pitch) where his voice cracks and this is also true that
he doesn't have that much melody and pain in his voice ... so he can sing some songs but not all ...

2. about - points of udit ? tell me these: a--> very romantic song, b--> very sad song, c--> very tough song
( even with classical flavor) and then tell me how good he is in all of these ??? what i find unique is his voice
and not his singing capacity ...

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 13 2006, 11:58 PM) *

All I wish to state is cloning is not required when god has been kind and they have been blessed with nice
voices.. they should develop their own styles and sing.

We are tired of listening to cloned voices.. we want something different .. is that wrong?

N rolleyes.gif

nothing wrong dear ... u r very much true.
at 1 point only, i don't hate the clones is: do they sing a bit like the mentors ??? yes ?, cause
we all used the word "clone" here. if u can copy the voice of "shreya ghoshal" then this is yr talent.
if somebody can talk like big b then it's a talent but u can't leave a mark unless u show yr own style and
personality ...

QUOTE(Nimii @ Jun 12 2006, 08:07 PM) *

Wait! Why do we need someone like Rafi Sahab?!?!

My question is do we need clones?

Mebbe I dont think like you all do! Juz my opinion.

N doh.gif

as i already said, the question is not whether we need a clone or not, question is do some singers
sing like their mentors ??? rest is transparent .... and i am at yr side. i don't need any clone. that's good ... laugh.gif
but i appreciate if somebody can copy someone else's voice even it is 50%, don't u ??? laugh.gif
( like i heard sunil pal in great indian laughter chalenge copied udit's voice though he is not a singer)
QUOTE(RafiKiAwaaz @ Jun 13 2006, 10:27 PM) *

An interesting fate of events, like Sonu Nigam I also went to Bollywood to be a playback singer in the
80's and sang for Bapphi Lahari Ji.


jump.gif i need yr songs, plz upload ... no mater it matches or not but u r a singer ...


Yes indeed, I am working on recording few songs, one of them is old Rafi song from Dosti - Chaahunga Mei Tuhje which will show my voice range. Hopefully soon, look for it.
RKA

Posted by: oye_sonu Jun 20 2006, 03:25 PM

QUOTE(NATURE @ Jun 15 2006, 04:18 PM) *



sorry sonu ji, i have used the underlined words. i didn't mean to hurt the fans and in that way
i happened to hurt u. i am extreamly sorry. i mentioned both + and - points, no intention to hurt anybody ...




Arey Nature ji aisi koi tension wali baat nehi hai. yes Udit/amit./sonu are my fav singers.

They are not complete.....kon mana karta hai. look u had wrtten abt so many minus points of Sonu but I didnt objected coz I know he is not a complete singer. Agar likha hai to shayd hogi kami.

PRoblem tab aati hai jab cheezo ko just for the sake of writing hum exaggrate karke likh dete hai.

Like my problem was when u wrote he has zero base. I think better could have been...say " he has lowest base among present singers???" tongue1.gif but zero to kisi haal mein nehi ho sakti.

Fir koi HFM singer kaya mediocre ho sakta hai kabhi?? aur wo bhi nationl awrd winner??

Nature ji , Nimi ji and others I tell u abt one such arguement in SKSgrp.
I had a arguement in SKS grp where one singer fan used filthiest language for Rafi saab. including the 'suck" word. at tht time I was the first one to object to tht. My participation in tht discusision was limited to just objecting to type of langugae used for the singer (mohd rafi).
Few senior members of HF were also involved in tht discussion and know my stand.

After defending Rafi saab in SKS ......now I see Rafi fans using such languge for other singers in HF( who worship Rafi more then these fans). ohmy.gif ohmy.gif Ya mere Rabba huh.gif

now the same SKS member can Q me...why iam silent now when rafi fans are usig such langugae.


Ab koi kaya kare.......har jagah apne apne singer ke liye respect chahte hai...but dusre singers ko respect dena nehi chahte. Technical point per jitna marzi attack karo.......atleast jaan bujh kar frstration mein baseless aur exaggrate karke chezo ko mat likho.

Look I have no where defended Sonu or others..My objection has been with language and stats which are totally exaggrated.
baaki If u people want i can start one thread specifaclly on flaws of Sonu or other clones tongue1.gif .

Singers mein itni khamiyan hai agar harek ko defend karne lag pade to ho gayi baaki posting. unsure.gif


open to corrections

Sonu

Posted by: masoomkamal Jun 24 2006, 04:07 PM


Yes indeed, I am working on recording few songs, one of them is old Rafi song from Dosti - Chaahunga Mei Tuhje which will show my voice range. Hopefully soon, look for it.
RKA
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Dear Rafi ki Awaaz,

I am (and perhaps many of us) are waiting for the song which you sang in Rafi Ki Awaaz.

Jaldi bhejo mere yaar....
Kab khatm hoga yeh intezaar !

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