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Posted by: Reeth Apr 11 2007, 07:54 PM

Although Ghosts and Apparitions have been reported for thousands of years, surprisingly very little
informatiom is available with regard to their nature or essence.
Ghosts are elusive and unpredictable, and, the ways in which they manifest are surprisingly diverse.
Contrary to popular belief most ,ghostly encounters are not visual but rather consist of noises, smell
sensations,voices, cold spots,electrical disturbances such as lights switching on and off,displacement
or movement of objects. The available data on this is prone to exaggeration and sometime outright
deceit.

studies suggest that approximateli 1 in 10 of us has the ability to perceive ghosts, those of us
who are actively looking for them are apparently the least likely ones to have a ghostly experience....
Children seem more apt to experience manifestations....
Women seem more attuned than men....
There are several interesting theories regarding the basics of ghostly manifestations

Ghosts are the earth bound souls of the deceased
This is the most common interpretation.....for most of us this theory is comforting, as it hints at a life
after the physical body is gone...
The theory is tht when the physical body dies this energy continues in some form and can be tapped
by living persons sensitive enough to perceive it....

Events are somehow recorded in certain surroundings to be replayed over and over to living people sensitive enough to discern them....

This theory accounts for a lot of our ghost legends and likely the source of all hauntings that repeat again
and again...
Frightening as these type of manifestations may be, the apparition is not a thinking entity, nor does it have
a will or a purpose, and it is no more a threat to an observer than watching a chracter on a telivision...

Ghosts are actual beings living in one or more parallel dimensions

To put it simply, this theory suggests that there are one or more complete universes co-existing with us

Ghosts exist only as Figments of our imagination

This theory can be made to apply to every kind of paranormal manifestation there is,and in some case it
is probably at least in part correct.
However there are still a lot of questions left unanswered by this theory, such as when more than one
person sees the same phenomenon....Skeptics use the term 'Mass hysteria' for situations like
this, but nobody has offered an explaination for the core catalyst causing many brains to suddenly go
haywire.....
This Theory needs a lot of research.....Only time will tell....
In the meantime....here are some photographs of ghotly manifestations...
Girl in the graveyard.......she appeared in the photograph!!!!!


The man seems to have come out of a tombstone in the graveyard......









Please come forward with your own views, theories and personal experiences if any.........

Posted by: noorie Apr 11 2007, 10:53 PM

Ghosts exist. I've seen them, un4tunately I can't talk about it.

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 12 2007, 01:43 AM

Why not noorie? Plz plz share yur experience, it will be great to hear about a personal encounter....plz

Posted by: YaarMere Apr 12 2007, 06:10 PM

Yo man, dont be a killjoy. Reeth yaar talk to her, get her to open up!

Posted by: YaarMere Apr 12 2007, 06:53 PM

Believe this.


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Posted by: Reeth Apr 13 2007, 01:04 AM

I am sure she will...




hey tht's awesome..........Spooooky

Posted by: noorie Apr 15 2007, 03:38 AM

You won't believe me anyway. Grownups' never do. It's just a 'story'. Well it's not!

Noorie

Posted by: nasir Apr 15 2007, 07:55 PM

Interesting thread REETH - thread that I had in mind to start but was afraid to....

I have one experience. This I had given a hint in a reply to Sajdah in the song translation thread. The year was 1964 or 1965. I can relate it if you say.

Secondly, some people think that even a good soul is a ghost which is fallacy. In a book on GHOSTS the author has included anecdotes of Chisti Awliya Hazrat Khwaja Gharibunawaaz and Hazrat Hameedudin Chishti in the Chapter on Poltergeist.

NASIR.

Posted by: HumTum Apr 15 2007, 10:05 PM

Nasirbhai please go ahead with your narration. Looking forward to it.

Posted by: Reeth Apr 16 2007, 05:43 PM

Cmon noorie we ar all grownup kids here .............plz go on....share it with all of us

Posted by: Reeth Apr 16 2007, 05:45 PM

Nasir i dont need to say.....this thread is for all of us to share our experiences even experiences one has heard frm others.........plz do so...

Posted by: Mandrake Apr 16 2007, 05:57 PM

Didn't someone start such a topic some time back?

Maharashtra has a rich 'tradition' of ghosts, where there are specific names for specific kinds of ghosts- there is a brahma-sammandh, a khavees, a hadal, a munjya, a madkya, a chakwa, a vetaal... quite a few.

Posted by: Reeth Apr 16 2007, 06:16 PM

Here? probably before i joined hf....
The ghosts have names wow....
Plz share all your experiences here.....it'd be a lot of fun.....

Posted by: preet Apr 16 2007, 06:27 PM

mommmmmmmmmy!!!


well yes someone did start such a thread when we first had this Antariksh aur anhoni subforum started i seem to remember relaying my experience of living in a huanted house once!!!!

Posted by: Reeth Apr 16 2007, 06:32 PM

plz do so again preet....

Posted by: preet Apr 16 2007, 06:56 PM

ok copy pasting only the thread was a warm welcome by nimz you can find the posts there!!!

and i have to sleep alone tonight mommmmmmmmy!!!!

Posted by: Reeth Apr 16 2007, 07:04 PM

Hey that must've been n awful experience for someone so young......
does it still bother you preet?......i wish i had some personal experience to share.....even the ghosts prefer to keep away from me...

Posted by: preet Apr 16 2007, 07:19 PM

well the only lasting effect of this experience is that now i cant sleep alone in a room with all lights switched off... if i do i start hearing all the creaks and sounds!!!

Posted by: nasir Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM

hmmm.
This one relates to the year 1964 or 1965. I had been invited by my Christian riend who had house in GOA - Goa Velha to be specific. The Porrtugues had actually left the scene and Goa reemerged as a Virgin, meaning that there were no outsiders there at that time. It was so calm and quiet those days. And there was no electricity too. Even for functions like weddings people used the Petromax Lamps.

Now, my christian friend invited me to a wedding which was in a nearby hamlet. I was overjoyed since it was a little boring during the day when I found no activity. There was a motley crowd of young and old, teenaged boys and girls. A Music Band was in attendance. First, as was usual with a Goan wedding, people picked up their partners for the wedding march. I picked up a beautiful teenage girl as my partner. After the march, we went on dancing right upto 2 a.m. Thereafter I got bored since I was a total stranger there and found no one to talk to. The girl wouidn't understand English while my Konkani that I had picked up was heavily accented. My friend was too busy to notice my plight. At the same time I did not want to stop him from having fun. Anyway..

At about 2 a.m. I left the Wedding function all by myself. There were two ways to reach my friend's house: One was the way through which we had come - and that was pretty dark since we had jump fences and through the rows of houses. I chose the long path that went by a church. This was small road that was also tarred. The road was visible since it was lighted by the moon that was shining in its regal splendour.
Not a soul was in sight. Occasional owls did the rounds while in the fields rodents and small animals made noises. I began humming a tune to camouflage my fright.

With brisk paces I started and went by the church till I reached a spot where began the fields. I stepped into the fields with a heavy heart and made straight for the house. I had walked for about ten minutes or so when I came across three small tamarind trees that stood confronting me in a row. Then, at that time, I saw someone sitting on the tree top flanked by two other tamarind trees. My heart skipped a beat. I immediately looked down, pretending not to have seen anything or anyone. I increased my speed, came to the house, and quietly went to bed. The sole occupant of the house, my friend's mom, lay quietly sleeping.

It was only later in the day that I blurted my woes to the family and friends. That too, upon their inquiry as to how I had made my way back. I told them it was by the road that skirted the church. Then they admonished me saying that I should have avoided that road since it was the most dangerous or haunted - what with the cemetary on the way. Then I told them about the apparition I had seen on the tamarind tree.
They were taken aback. My friend revealed that some years ago his father had fallen down the tamarind tree and it was his ghost that I had seen. Thereafter I avowed not to use that way again as long as I stayed in Goa Velha.

That was my experience of a ghost

NASIR.

Posted by: Lata Apr 16 2007, 11:07 PM

Interesting thread ..........haan do it again Preetz...... also narrate ur experience with Planchet .......

Posted by: noorie Apr 16 2007, 11:15 PM

The Ouija board, right?

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 17 2007, 01:10 AM

Nasir Bhai, I don't believe in Ghosts ... but would love to see one.
Do you think the Goa Ghost is still there 4 decades later .. now.

The only experience I had was ... when i visited the Langar House Darga ( Hyd ) with some friends, Everything seemed normal with people wearing wierd attires & roaming during that evening.
But as soon as the "Ishaan Azaan" was heard everybody started screaming & making wierd noises. There were people rolling on the floor, hitting them selves with stones, some people were even chained to the walls.

That was the only scary scene I ever witnessed, Frankly I think there was something wrong with their brains ... and not the Ghosts playing their roles or something.
(Lunar Effect... Maybe)

Haneef

Posted by: preet Apr 17 2007, 08:52 AM

wow Nasir bhai you have got guts to go on your own at 2 am!!!!

Lata!!!! you are here!!!!! trust you to appear in a ghost thread
i do have some interesting stories about the planchet well planchet really proves theres something unknown to humankind in this world....!!!! but before i tell the more interesting facts i will tell you all about my first experience the first time i tried planchet was a disaster!!! it was my first year in college and i stayed in a PG with 5-6 girls, one afternoon we all decided to "call the bhoot" to get some answers (basically related to our love life ) no one had done this before but i had seen my sisters doing it so we took a chart paper... made the planchet and sat down around it most of us were afraid to even put our fingers on the coin but someone had to do it so me and my friend kept our fingers on the coin and clumsily started calling a holy spirit passing by... for the first 10 minutes nothing happened and we decided to call it quits but even as we were thinking about it the coin grew very cold and some kind of vibration we still don’t know if it was our imagination or really the spirit was trying to come!!! me and my friend looked at each other and were so scared we let the coin go... after that we were so shocked we didnt speak just kept looking at each other was the spirit with us?? had we set it free coz we broke the connection with the coin... we were all thinking such things when there was a knock on the door... as we were gathering the courage to go and open the door we heard the loud clanging of dishes as if someone was throwing them at our door... then a loud howling from a dog or something all of us screamed and rushed out to the balcony and started shouting for our landlord...

later we came to know it was our landlord's servant who had brought in our lunch and lost control on the stairs

Posted by: Lata Apr 17 2007, 08:55 AM

I think so Noorie Preetz.... .. now how about narrating planchet's experience with u ..... It must have been scary na

Posted by: Reeth Apr 17 2007, 02:29 PM

Interesting.......no other experiences?? dont know what attraction a Tamarind tree holds for them souls.....because the incident i am going to narrate is also centred around a tamarind tree....

Posted by: Reeth Apr 17 2007, 02:32 PM

I have heard a lot of people being successful in making contact with the spirits?/ how far that is true is anybody's guess... i did participate a couple of times but with no success..

Posted by: Reeth Apr 17 2007, 02:33 PM

Welcome Lata.........don't you have anything to share with us?? plz do

Posted by: Reeth Apr 17 2007, 03:58 PM

Kaveri's ghost.......

This incident took place a year ago in kutta( my hometown )in the estates of my cousin who is my working partner here...

I am just giving a short description of the estate just to make it simpler,generally you have the estate house built right in the centre surrounded by coffeee plantation all round, there is a clearing around the house , and you have a few outhouses built around the main house for the live-in estate workers and others..... the estate boundary is demarked by planting certain variety of wild growing cactus which is a deterrant to animals like Wild bison, elephants and sometime even Tigers when they decide to pay a visit, which is very frequent.......
This particular estate owned by my cousin's family is very vast covering an area of almost 300 acres and the backyard ,so to say blends into the foothills of the western ghats, the Brahmagiri range...
My cousin decided to have a houseparty for a whole weekend in the estate with a few of his friends, i was supposed to have gone but had to drop out for some personal reason, so missed out all the excitement...
His parents were away, so it was him with 3 of our common friends and 2 of them , at the last minute decided to bring along their girlfriends as well......
They had a great time exploring the Nagaraholre forests during the daytime, and were relaxing at night in the estate house after dinner , and, somehow the talk turned to ghosts and such...

There had been a tragic incident in the past.....The estate workers during the day had noticed a young woman sitting under a tamarind tree just outside the estate boundary near the foothills, and they were naturally surprised to see her there ,since there is no road leading anywhere there and there are hardly any houses around. She seemed very disturbed,crying and hardly spoke..........they went on questioning her , when asked about her whereabouts she is supposed to have pointed to the hills beyond,and, they thought she had come from one of the smaller settlements they have there....later the ladies had persisted and finally she said her name was Kaveri.....that is the only word she seemed to have uttered......As it grew late in the evening one of the workers found her still sitting there under the tree, so told her to go back to her house as it was not safe there, at which she got up and started walking towards the hills....
But the next morning, she was found hanging from the branch of the same tree , under which she had sat the previous day, her saree was used as a rope,and how she got on to the tree was/is still a mystery.....there was a police enquiry etc; but nothing was known about her....till today no one has come forward to identify her.....what led the poor woman, she was little more than a girl , to take such a drastic step , has remained a mystery...but within a week there were rumors floating around about her spirit haunting the place, and it grew stronger by the day, with many people, mainly estate workers experiencing her so called wrath.....
Having learnt about this the youngsrers wanted to visit the spot then and there, it was nearly midnight, and they wanted to see the place at night....my cousin was apprehensive and was not too keen ,but finally they all decided to go, so they set forth armed with torches a revolver and a gun( most estate owners carry firearms)They wanted 2 estate workrs to accompany them,but the workers were reluctant, but finally agreed to go with them if the girls were left behind, but the girls apparently were the ones who had come up with the idea , so no way were they going to be left out, anyway the workers did go finally.......They reached the spot and crossed over to the other side where there ws a clearing after a landslide... and the 2 workers became restless and funnily enough it seems all of them could feel a kind of fear which might have been psychological but they all felt numb.....one of them then decided to go close to the tree and touch it , at this point the 2 workers protested and started walking back to the house....The brave guy started walking towards the tree and my cousin and the other guy were shining the torch directly at the tree.....as he reachd th tree they all heard a loud shriek ....like a startled feminine cry.......and this made both of them shift the torch and shine it up the tree from where they thought the sound had originated.....within seconds they again focused it back on the ground and found that Anil( tht is his name) had fallen down lying on his back, rushed to him and found him unconcious...........revived him and later he said that he was forcefully pushed back by something and that he had lost balance and had fainted with fear.....nothing, no amount of arguments or possible explainations have made him change his views....he says that he had actually felt a hand on his face and chest and was powerless at tht point of time...The 2 girls neeedless to say,have still not recovered from the shock...
Later I went there under similar circumstances,late at night,with another group of friends , but i felt nothing............
But till today people talk about it and there are many stories surrounding the mysterious Kaveri...

Posted by: nasir Apr 17 2007, 10:30 PM

Yes, I've another tale to relate but this is more to do with sounds than with imagery. Please give me a day.
Regarding the trees, it appears that Tamarind and the Peepal trees are the hot spots for ghosts. It also appears that the big oak trees are the haunt of good, pious souls. One reason I see for the ghosts to haunt the tamarind trees is that tamarinds are usually sought after by young boys who often climb the tree go get some fruits. So they fall an easy prey too to the inhabitant of the tree.

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir Apr 17 2007, 10:39 PM

So nothing was known about the antecedents of Kaveri? What a story!

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 17 2007, 10:49 PM

Reeth, that was a wonderful story.

I feel awfully sorry 4 that girl. She was no 'bhoot'.

Noorie

Posted by: balajigade Apr 17 2007, 11:33 PM

A very interesting and totally different thread. Let me add a scientific (engineering) dimension to the occult world.

We are generally confused with these questions :
--some people say that they have seen the ghost at least once. Then why they (ghosts) are not seen always?
--it is said that they cannot be touched but some reportedly felt them and had love affairs also ! How?

Following is the explanation :

--Every solid body has 3 dimensions as we perceive it. Our body too has 3 dimensions and we human beings have the knowledge of, and can see only 3 dimensions. Imagine an ant walking on the flat surface of a table. Practically it can see only two dimensions, the length and breadth of the table. Though it can actually see the third dimension which is upwards, just assume it can't. The human is superior to the ant with the reason that he can see 3 dimensions where as the latter can see only two. Now the human can place himself in such a position, say over the head of the ant, so that the ant cannot see him. If he wishes he can stand in front of it along the dimensions of which it has the knowledge, so that the ant can see him.

--The shadows cannot be touched.

--Every object has a shadow which has one dimension less than the object itself. For example we have 3 dimensions, so our shadow has only 2 (=3-1) dimensions. Agree?

--Now coming to the ghost it has n dimensions and therefore it has the knowledge of n dimensions. Its shadow, by the above theory has n-1 dimensions. ( n is a finite no. and more than 3)

--If the ghost (superior to human as it has the knowledge of more dimensions) wishes that it should be seen by the human it appears before him in its natural form with n dimensions. But since we know only 3 dimensions what we see is only 3 of them. It can be touched, felt and looks like a human being only.

--The ghost can also make its shadow fall in front of the human if it 'thinks' so. In this case the shadow has n-1 dimensions, but we still see 3 dimensions (since n>3, and our knowledge is limited to 3). In this case it will have the same appearance as in the previous case but it cannot touched, since it is a shadow only.

--The ghost can also keep itself invisible by placing itself in the areas of the dimensions of which we have no knowledge ( like the ant vrs human). And that's why we cannot always see it.

To sum up, the ghost as per its wish can remain invisible, can stand in its normal form (touchable) or make its shadow fall in front of the human beings (not touchable) while keeping itself invisible.

Hope this makes an interesting reading. Next, my experience with...

--Balaji

Posted by: noorie Apr 17 2007, 11:34 PM

Oooh, the suspense was really killing me.

Nasir, did you get a real good look at the thing / person you saw on top of that tamarind tree?

Cud you describe it please?

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 18 2007, 02:55 PM

will wait for your narrative nasir...




That's right noorie.........i too feel very sorry for her..

Posted by: Reeth Apr 18 2007, 03:06 PM

Has this been proven? it makes very interesting reading thank you .....plz do share your experience with us Balaji

Posted by: nasir Apr 18 2007, 11:30 PM

"Real good Look?" Are you kidding?
I only know that he was looking at me, and I'm sure he must be knowing that I was a guest of his son to whose house I was heading. I wanted to get away as soon as possible. This is because I had heard that some ghosts who occupy trees they just lengthen their legs from the tree top to the ground. I wanted to escape this horror fastest.
Besides, I wasn't so courageous as to stand there and gape at him. Who knows what might have happened!
I forgot to mention the barking of a pack of dogs. Believe me, their presence rather made me feel good and their barks were music to my ears.

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 19 2007, 01:32 AM

Does that mean you actually believe in the existence of ghosts?

Whatever they are, surely they can't be as bad as living humans?

Perhaps those dogs were in hot pursuit of you and not the 'bhoot' up on the treetop!

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 19 2007, 01:40 AM

Why does the scientific world wish 2 prove that the so-called 'paranormal' activities can be rationally explained ?
Haven't they tried that many a time and failed!

Noorie

Posted by: balajigade Apr 19 2007, 11:43 AM

Well, this is what I read casually in a bookstall in the Fountain area at Bombay from a book featuring ‘Science & Superstition’ long back while waiting for my next train. The writeup is a hypothesis giving a scientific explanation of the dark side of the world in a more convincing way. We attach a no. of theories like gratification of unfulfilled desires, vengeance etc. attributing to the appearance of the ghosts. But why are innocent people who do not have any connection with the particular deceased person are haunted? Perhaps for the sake of fun?

During my school days I stayed in a couple of haunted houses in the small towns of Orissa. My father was a very brave person who did not believe in all these superstitions and so was my mother. I still remember our stay when I was at school in my 8th std. in a house-- a very nice and spacious one, abandoned for nearly 12 years in the outskirts of a place known as Jajpur, about 60kms north of Cuttack. It was said that the house owner, a clerk in the PWD found a pot of gold coins buried under the earth while excavating for the foundations of the house. Despite 'warnings' given to him in his dreams he invested the treasure in his business, in which he flourished, but lost his wife and all his 4 children within a short span of time. He left the house but his tenants used to face the music more particularly on amavasya and poornima nights. We were told that a dog would start barking relentlessly in the midnight outside the house indicating the arrival of the 'boss'. (It is said that the dogs and the owls have the sixth sense to see the spirits). Initially, my father never let me know the antecedents of the house as I was a very timid person those days, but I came to know everything slowly from the dhobi, the milk vendor and of course, my class mates. There were reportedly 4 tenants before we lived in that house and every family had lost a person during their stay due to some unknown illness. We too heard the dog barks very frequently followed by the rattling of dried leaves on the ground and sudden chirping and flapping of the wings of the birds on the neem tree on the other side of the road. My father used to come out to see if he could see something but he never did. After living there for 3 years, with nothing untoward happening I could get a lot of courage to laugh away saying that these were nothing but superstitions.

The second incident is about when I was doing my MTech at IIT Kharagpur in the year 1973 after completing the graduation at REC (now NIT) Rourkela. I was to appear in the written test at the Rourkela Steel Plant during which I stayed with one of my juniors, who hailed from my place, at the Engg. College hostel. After appearing in the test I, alongwith my old batch-mates had a nice dinner at the local restaurants and decided to go to the movie 'Bobby' for the late-night show, which was then just released in a theatre known as Konark. My friend was not with us as he was having his final exams the next day. It was about 12:30 MN when the show was over and all of my 3 friends who lived in the city left for home on bicycles which they brought leaving one for me to get back to the hostel (which was about 6 kms from the theatre). It was a sultry night in the month of May and I was riding the bicycle alone singing to the tunes of 'Bobby'. When I approached the Indira Gandhi Park, which falls on the way, there was a sudden drop of temperature and I could feel very cool breeze blowing, which could be attributed to the rich vegetation around the park. Suddenly I felt something going past my bicycle very fast and I could barely see a thing. I thought it was a dog. There was noise in the crank of the bicycle and the chain snapped. I got down, fixed the chain back and started riding. But after a few minutes the same sequence of incidents took place. I was a little worried and confused about what went wrong as the bike never gave any trouble in the evening earlier. A steel plant ambulance rushed past me from the opposite direction with siren bowing. I felt a sudden chill down my spine and smelt something fishy. I was slightly scared also, fixed the chain in position and started riding fast singing loudly to break the eerie of silence. I tried to concentrate on my right to see what is going past my cycle every time the chain is snapping. Nothing happened until I almost tumbled on a small piece of brick lying on road, which I did not notice and again, the chain snapped while the 'dog' went past my bike at a tremendous speed and I could barely see a streak and hear a hiss. I felt uneasy, stopped and looked around but couldn't see anything. I adjusted the chain and started riding again. By this time I had crossed the park area and soon found myself the near the German Club Centre where I took a right turn from the Ring Road on to the road which took me to the hostel campus, a 3 kms' ride. Surprisingly the bicycle didn't give any problem after I took off from the Ring Road.

When I reached the hostel, it was almost 1:30 in the night and my friend was already asleep. The next morning when he came to know that I had been to the movie and returned alone, he looked shocked and tried to evade further discussions. When I kept insisting he finally told me that two weeks back a young college girl was gang raped and murdered in the Indira Gandhi Park by some students and since then people passing by in the midnight were being haunted. A girl clad in white dress seemed to overtake the trespassers while floating on air around the park area and my friend was one of such victims who saw 'her'. Well, I could hardly believe all this, being a staunch believer of science and reasoning but at the same time I have no answer for all what happened to me that night. I was lucky not have known about the haunting stuff before going to the movie, as otherwise I could have had a heart attack in the first ‘encounter’ itself, despite all the courage behind me. And yes, the next afternoon on my way to the railway station by a rickshaw, I came to know that there was a fatal accident on the Ring Road on the same eventful midnight when a couple traveling in a taxi were killed instantaneously when the vehicle collided against the lamppost after losing control. This is perhaps why I saw the ambulance that night on my way back; I thought.

Most of the fairy tales and the horror stories we come across are only fictions with no scientific proof and reasoning behind them. At the same time we come across many weird incidents taking place in our life---most of the time they are exaggerated and blown out of proportions when they pass from person to person. But instead of saying science cannot explain these, can we say that the science is yet to establish the truth behind all these paranormal activities?

Thanks for the patience in reading all this.

--Balaji

Posted by: usrafian Apr 19 2007, 01:06 PM

I am fully agree with ‘Dimension-Theory’, as per Bala JI . It shows scientific logic for science as well as evident to Yogic Science.

Swami Vivekanand Ji had reflected very genuine thoughts about ‘dimensions’. According to him there are many parallel universes exists at same place but in different dimensions without interacting with each other. Person having ‘specific power’, can travel thru these dimensions. That ‘specific power’ can be achieved thru Yogic practice. In this matter, one’s ‘will-power’ plays major role.

As far as ‘Ghost’ concerns, only their willing binds them with our dimensions, of course with some limitations. During ‘interaction’ with Ghost, lower ‘Will-Power’ has to step back, and if it (will-power) accompanied with friendly, harmless, kind nature (with deeds & thoughts) NOWHERE (in any dimension) FEAR EVER EXISTS FOR HIM/HER.

To make our nature , friendly, harmless, kind to everything with thoughts & deeds is very 1st step in Yoga. How strange !?!?!

Baba Tulsidas Ji has also accepted their(Ghosts) existence, while writing ‘Ram-charit Manas’ , in beginning he made ‘Vandana’ to everyone, for ‘Ghosts’ he had written..
‘Vandoun Bhoot-Pret-Vaitala’.

Remember 'Fear is the other name of mis-deeds' Chhor Ki Daadi Mein Tinka. No one may be crystal clear clean but we should always keep trying to be like that.

BTW..
If anyone ever comes in contact with ‘Ghost’, first be kind to him(because he is the most sufferer that’s why he is here).

USR

Posted by: balajigade Apr 19 2007, 02:45 PM

I just saw Preet's writeup on planchette while I was uploading my experience. Earlier, in May 1968 when I was doing my 1st year Engg. at Rourkela there was rumour that the final exams which were hardly a week away were being postponed. Somebody in our hostel got a bright idea and decided that he would find it out on a planchette (ouija board) along with his friends. He got a an answer that the exams would be postponed by 21 days. This started a euphoria in almost every hostel in the campus and there were a series of sessions almost in every block. I was a spectator in one of the sessions and to my surprise all answers to known questions were found correct but with some spelling mistakes. Everyone found their %age marks, class predicted. I along with two of my friends who did not believe at all in these happenings thought that the answers were being manipulated by the persons performing. We decided that we would give a try for ourselves and invited others to our room. Before starting the session we took an oath that we are not going to befool each other at least. We used a tea cup kept inverted on the floor drawing a circle around it with all English alphabet and the nos. We kept all our index fingers on the body of the cup and started concentrating on different deceased souls. Nothing happened for about 1st 15 mins and we kept on changing names. But then, the cup started vibrating in a gyrating motion at the place where it was. We started asking questions which were answered correctly, the cup was using its handle as the indicator touching the alphabets or numbers while moving. We three were staring at each other with disbelief thinking that the others are playing a mischief. Towards the end of the session the cup moved so fast that it was difficult for us to keep our fingers on it in tact. It was said that if anyone takes off his hand from the cup with the spirit inside it, he would be possessed by it. We called off the session successfully when we heard a commotion from the room in the opposite wing. We came to know that there was a session going on in another room simultaneously and one of the boys took off his hand out of excitement when he too got the same answer of 21 days of postponement of the exams. He was reportedly possessed and found struggling for breath as if someone was overpowering him and was shouting 'Leave me, leave me'. It was understood that his fellow performers apologized for his ignorance and he became normal slowly. He was totally ignorant of what happened in between.There was an end to this activity from that day onwards and the exams actually got postponed by 14 days.

Even months after the incident the above boy never disclosed what happened to him exactly. Every one out of the 3 of us still think that someone out of the other two played some mischief.

It is said that man can move an object with his concentration without touching it. Is it the resultant of the concerted effort of all the persons performing the activity? As most of us knew the answers to the questions perhaps we were, though unknowingly, guiding the cup through our will-power (let me call it so for the time being) to show the expected answers. This argument strengthens from the fact that certain questions, of which we were not sure of the answers, were replied waywardly and inconsistently

--Balaji

Posted by: noorie Apr 19 2007, 05:35 PM

I believe that.

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 19 2007, 05:41 PM

They are doing their job.............one never knows.....sometime in the near future we may be able to strike up a contact with these forces with the help of science....

Posted by: noorie Apr 19 2007, 05:47 PM

There's a thing called 'wahem', most ghost incidents survive on that.

Perhaps there was sumthing wrong with the Vaastu of that house too, lots of ppl don't believe in Vaastu either.
Is that a pseudoscience too?

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 19 2007, 05:51 PM

Very interesting incident.....as you say, there are many unexplained phenomenon around us,we may never find an explaination for all these in our lifetime, but it does make life more interesting..




I feel that a lot of this is manipultion and psychological to the extent that it depends on the mental make up of each person involved,so different reactions...

Posted by: preet Apr 19 2007, 10:48 PM

i have had success and there is something really strange with my experience...
but first an introduction it may sound funny to most ppl but something is their with me that attracts some supernatural powers maybe my Piscean sunsign or whatever.... when i was a baby i would always fall sick and cry for days without any explanation as to what was wrong with me.. one such time i cried so much that my mom feared i would die as i wasnt even eating anything then a neighbor told my mom "isko nazar lagi hai" and she did something with red chilly… within seconds i was smiling and eating properly again....now whenever im sick my mom does that nazar utaaro thing and surprisingly im fine.... once my sister met some tantrik on the train and he suddenly started talking to my sister first he started forecasting her future and as it always happens with ppl on such issues my sister was intrigued and interested and then out of the blues he started talking about her little sister that is me... he said your sister loves black color tell her not to wear it she keeps her hair down tell her to braid and keep it tied all the time she is accident prone and always has one or the other limb broken or injured... my sister was scared witless as it was true about me...

well this might be the reason that bar the first disastrous and unsuccessful experience with planchet… everytime i have tried this i have had a spirit come within seconds and not just any spirit its always the same...

the second time i called a spirit it was me and a friend who had several experiences so there wasnt any risk and also we were not afraid as we lived just next door to a gurdwaara... within seconds both of us felt some vibration and when we asked was there someone present the coin moved on yes i asked my friend if she was moving it to fool me she removed her finger and i asked if the spirit knew anyone in the room the coin moved to yes and i was sure it was moving on its own accord now... on asking who it knew the coin moved on the letter "P" there was only one P in the room so i asked if it was me and it said yes.... so by asking some proper questions we came to the conclusion that it was the spirit of my fathers cousin mamaji who always stayed near me and when a Christian friend present in the room asked if he was my guardian angel he said yes....
we asked many questions and when we were through we asked if he wanted to go and he said yes so we send him away.... but curiosity is a bad thing so we decided to call another spirit and again within seconds the coin started moving and when we asked who it was... it was again my mamaji when i asked if he was the only one who will come when i called he said yes...
when i mentioned this to my father he was very angry but when i started asking if he had any mama with the name initial who lived in the said city who loved him very much he was shocked it was all true... later my mausi on hearing all this asked me to call the spirit again and as always he came at my first call and we asked many question... some of you will say it was just a psychological thing but what will explain the prediction which he gave and it all came true??? he had told me my older sis would get married to a boy in mumbai, his name would start with "V" and it would happen in 2004 the 11th month thas exactly how it happend
he had also told me my second sis would marry a boy whose name would start with an "M" and he would be from delhi... my sisters marriage got fixed with a boy whose name started with "N" and at the time i told my mom how can it be my mamaji has told me it will be M... and would you believe that the marriage was cancelled due to some reason and she is now married to an M!!!! she was supposed to go to US in 2006 she was going to have her baby in 2007 and that all came true.... not just these but there are so many other personal things that came true and lots more remains to be seen though i now need no authenticity regarding this...
but this is true... i just need to keep my finger on the coin and my mamaji answers....i try not to bother him too often its only when any of my family members needs some answers i participate and that too i have reprimanded then not to ask any death or issues that aren’t meant to be answered....

Posted by: preet Apr 19 2007, 10:52 PM

well THIS might not make you feel good about barking dogs anymore Nasir did you know that dogs are the first one to smell a presence and accordingly they cry or bark....

i stayed at a friends flat which had a haunted flat just next to it and believe me all night long a dog cried its heart out in front of our door i was so scared!!!!
Grrrrrrrr why do i have to see this thread at night time only!!!! i will be reading all the stories tomorrow morning!!!!

Posted by: nasir Apr 19 2007, 11:01 PM

If we believe in soul then naturally some are good souls and some bad. Some meet unexpected and untimely demise and roam about biding their time - this being a general belief. According to some Muslims, there are no such things as ghosts but there are JINNS (genies) who do those ghostly stuff. In Islamic literature, lots have been written on Soul or Spirit by Ibn Qayim (KITAAB-AR-RUH) as well as other scholars. What has been written there will surprise many non-muslims too. I used the terms SOUL and SPIRIT in view of the fact that both have been used interchangeably even in Quran al-Majeed.

Human are most dangerous thing on earth, this I agree with you.

Regarding those dogs out there, no they were not after me but rather barking in unison and I made my way right through their pack, thinking that it would be better to face them than that ghost on the tree top.

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 12:47 AM

That must have been some sight to see.

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 01:02 AM

Given a choice I wud unhesitantly put my trust in a ghostly spirit rather than a living human whose antecedents I know. This is no boast, I am ready 2 prove it any day / night.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 20 2007, 01:16 AM

Nasir Bhai,
Do you believe if some people really do have the power to see the future ?

In 1993 I met with Mirza Saheb (Well known Aamil/Faazil of Hyd). It seems it was he who had come up with the letter " H " from Quran E Shareef, which was to be used as the starting letter, that I was to be named with.
Even though I had met him for the first time, as soon as I introduced myself ... his eyes kinda.. rolled and he said " You were born on the 6th of Ramzaan (Which was True)", Then he gave some Arabic date which i don't remember now. Most of his predictions for me did come true, Like going to America & stuff. It seems he actually knew the date he was going to die too & made preparations of it.

Other incident which happened couple O' months ago in Rolling Meadows in a parking lot. I saw this man donning a Tantrik/Sadhu attire ... ( Not used to such kind here .. I did smirk a li'l), but he just came & started talking. He wanted to see my Palm (which i refused saying it was not permitted in my religion), so he said some stuff about my past which was true.
I wish I had shown him my Palm .. now.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 01:17 AM

Preet, I believe you! And not b'coz you are a Piscean.

A lot of things happen in everyone's life that completely defy logical explanation; maybe we shud stop looking 4 answers and just be content with the way things are.

I know that I wud hate 2 lose that last vestige of mystery too.

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 20 2007, 01:49 AM

I definitely agree wt that..........but why do spirits elude me

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 02:48 AM

Reeth, sumthing tells me that you'll receive a ghostly visitation, when you least expect it.

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 02:59 AM

Why?

Wud knowing what he had 2 say change what's going 2 happen in the future?

Everything is pre-destined, including that thing called Free Will. There is no such thing called the Free Will.

All our choices are pre-determined by the Power Above.

There's no need 2 seek out our Destiny 4 it'll soon enough come seeking us.
There's no way anyone can avoid that. Rather like Death.

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 20 2007, 04:00 AM

Waiting.............Ghostly anticipation....

Posted by: haneef Apr 20 2007, 04:56 AM

Thats Right Noorie Ji, I wouldn't have believed him anyway.
But how come atleast 2 out of the 4-5 predictions come true everyday from my horoscope ( I read it only at the end of the day .... not the begining ).
I have another example ... When somebody died (relative), the Ghassaal (the person who washes the dead body for purification) showed up. When somebody asked him who called you for the ritual, he said somebody told him that there would be a 'body' at this house. Then when he saw the dead person, he astonishingly pointed out .... " This is the same person who came to me this morning & even paid for the work ".

Haneef

Posted by: balajigade Apr 20 2007, 03:20 PM

Now we are slowly shifting to another topic of seeing the future and predicting the unforeseen which constitutes another part of the occult sciences.

Continuing with the spirits for some more time, there are two aspects of our deeds: good and evil. Whatever bold we are, we have some amount of guilty-consciousness at some corner of our heart which keeps us pinching. This consciousness perhaps manifests into a spirit and haunts when we are alone.When we do something good it gives a satisfaction which is forgotten fast and on the other hand when we commit an evil it keeps haunting us until we search for an 'antidote' which could be a sacrifice, a worship or a prayashchitta. And when we do that the mind gets relieved and perhaps the 'spirit' never strikes back. From our childhood we are taught by our parents to be scared of something unknown to keep us away from doing wrong things, we may call it a boogeyman, a kabuliwalah or a ghost, depending on the age. This, no doubt, refrains us from doing bad things but makes us timid. We are also made god-fearing but this boogeyman has a greater impact on the mindset. In most of the cases, when we stay in a haunted house we start seeing the ghosts only after we come to know the antecedents of the house. I remember having spent two nights under the tree in a graveyard unknowingly opposite to our hostels to escape ragging when I joined the Engg. and I didn't see a thing. It makes me therefore think (in the broad daylight of course!) that the ghost is nothing but an illusion or an imaginary mental representation of our ideas taking a shape. If the ghosts really existed most of the murder mysteries would have got solved by themselves (in the 'Madhumati' style).

I reserve my comments about the prediction or foretelling by way of astrology, palmistry or face-reading but as per the basics, the astrology predicts only the way things are going to happen, rather than what is going to haapen. Let me differ a bit from Noorie ji. Everything is not predestined. If it was so then why are we told to speak truth or do good things always? Things should take place as per His wish. The Likhnewala only writes a part of the taqdeer whether it is aabadi or barbaadi. He leaves a certain amount of the destiny into the hands of the person as the free-will. This can vary in %age, which is not to known us. If he writes say 60% barbaadi in a particular activity, you can get hold of the balance 40% only as the free will and whatever good you are, you have to face the failure. But in many cases He leaves the lion's share to the man himself and the man's deeds can really modify his fate. As we or any astrologer on this earth can never predict this %age of 'allotment' , better do always good, chose auspicious time etc.

--Balaji

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 04:51 PM

I so desperately want 2 believe that. I do.

But cudn't it also be that the One who created us wud have programmmed all our choices too ?

That means although it seems like we are free 2 exercise a 'choice' ( good / bad ), with regard to our taqdeer those choices aren't our own; it is the Will of the Creator Himself.

We are just executing His Will.

So, where's the question of our exercising our Free Will when the Creator knows what course we are going to take in advance?

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 04:55 PM

Perhaps 2night is the night.

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 05:38 PM

What are you saying? That stars can actually predict our destiny? Do you really want 2 believe that?

Noorie

Posted by: balajigade Apr 20 2007, 07:09 PM

Stars do not predict; they are supposed influence. It is we, the humans interpret on the basis of their location, which is called a prediction.

--Balaji

Posted by: nasir Apr 20 2007, 07:43 PM

You bet!

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 07:48 PM

Predict / foretell, all the same thing according 2 the soothsayers / astrologers whatever.

"What the stars foretell", ever come across such titles?

Noorie

Posted by: nasir Apr 20 2007, 07:56 PM

Yes, dogs do sense errie presence. So it is possible they might have been barking at that ghost because before coming to that place I had not heard any dog bark in the areaa.

Talking about dogs, it is also said that they have premonitions about someone's death in the area. I have personally experienced this: Once, at my previous location, there was some stray dog that began howling in our building compound. We were on the ground floor and naturally I was very scared. I began praying in earnest to counter the effect of howling. This dog went on howling for three days. On third day we learnt that a young girl aged 12 years died. It was shocking. The premonition proved to be true. There was no more howling thereafter.

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 08:23 PM

Dogs howl because it's in their nature 2 howl, particularly on full moon nights.

My neighbor's Doberman howls nearly every night since they moved in five years ago, and no one I know of in our neigborhood has ever 'checked out' to the Other Side till now.

A lot of us ( not me! ) are half contemplating doing that 2 the dog though.

Noorie

Posted by: nasir Apr 20 2007, 08:31 PM

Noorie, this is not a normal howling. It is some sort of wailing. Wait until you hear it and you'll know what I mean. It's totally different. This wailing sounds almost human...

NASIR.

Posted by: balajigade Apr 20 2007, 08:59 PM

Yes, the common belief says that when the dog sees the 'stranger' through its sixth sense, it howls for longer durations producing a wailing sound which is different from normal barking. It is also said that it can see the Yam Doots when they come for taking away the life from the man who is destined to die.



Most of the predictions I have come across are 50-50 true. Mostly we tend to ignore the predictions which have gone wrong and attach ourselves too much for what has come true.

--Balaji

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 09:00 PM

I wud rather not, Allah be thanked.

Noorie

Posted by: nasir Apr 20 2007, 09:46 PM

Frightening, isnt it?

Nasir.

Posted by: nasir Apr 20 2007, 09:55 PM

But there is one dilemma: We must not forget that those are the very souls that did lot of mischief while in a human body on earth. So we can't expect them to become saints after they shift to their new abode.
That's the reason why we come across malevolent spirits who do or intend lots of harm to the living. As opposed to this good spirits help human beings provided they have been granted that power of course.

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 20 2007, 10:09 PM

That is the last of my worries; malevolent spirits wudn't dare approach me, 'coz I have my guardian angels around me. It's the living human monsters that scare me.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 20 2007, 11:40 PM

Noorie Ji, If everything was predestined ... Then there would be no judgement day (Qayamat ).
If we were mere puppets in the Supreme Beings Hand then, Then I suppose everybody would do all bad stuff and then say to the Almighty .. " But it was your wish .. not mine ... You Made Me Do It ".
Everybody would end in 'Jannat' without being judged if they were good or bad.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 12:30 AM

Perhaps the Judgement Day is just a mere formality, since He already knows who gets 2 be rewarded and who gets 2 be punished as a consequence of their actions ( which too was in accordance with His plan ).

He is described as the All Knowing One, not 4 nothing.

He's also the One who created both Good and Evil ( Iblees - Satan).

Tell me, when has the fear of being thrown into Hell ever been a deterrence against Evil on this planet?

The fear of the After Life has never stopped people from carrying out the most abominable crimes against humanity, and I don't think it ever will.

Why?

Because it was the Almighty Himself who created certain people who are pure Evil.

Just like Satan can't be expected 2 change his character, no amount of 'freewill' ( a self-deceptive term 4 acting out God's Will ) can change the basic nature of a person who's been created in the Satan's image.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 01:01 AM

If Judgement day was a mere formality, Why does Quran warns about the consequences Bad people will face in Hell.
I do agree that in the final end, everybody will be rewarded Heaven, But each day in 'Hell' is equivalent to 80 thousand years(something like that).
'Allah Talah' was so sure, that his Followers 'Bandhe' would not go astray, that he allowed Satan an inch of space in our hearts.
And it is due to this ... Satanic overpowering weak mortals, that there is crime & evil on this earth.
And if we ... do go astray, we will have to face 'Allah's wrath' ... which is 'Hell'.

I don't believe in Ghosts or Spirits ... b'cuz ... 'Satan only influences people to do bad stuff, He does not assume forms or entities to scare people'. Ghosts are mere imaginations.

Haneef

Balaji, I know I am sorta' shifting this topic to future predictions & Afterlife ... I am sorry. But no one else is coming up with more haunting experiences here.

Posted by: Reeth Apr 21 2007, 01:42 AM

YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED..........IN THAT CASE LIFE HAS NO MEANING
YOU MIGHT AS WELL SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN...




Plz carry on discussing everything under the sun, we don't need to stick to one topic.......all these are inter related

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 01:44 AM

So you agree that Satan "overpowering weak mortals", is part of His predestined plan.
Just as Satan itself is a part of God's creation.

Not all people succumb 2 evil temptation, do they? Why not?
B'coz the Almighty hadn't willed that all people in the world have a predisposition towards evil.

God had willed that Satan wud defy Him, and turn people astray from the righteous path, it's His Will that just as Satan wud be proved wrong on the Judgement day, so wud the people whom He created Evil wud get their just desserts.

So, actually what we are doing is executing His Will, when we think it's we who are making a choice.
We are not.

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 01:58 AM

Well, things will happen whether we want it or not. 'Coz we have no choice, remember?

All our choices have been pre-formulated by God Almighty.

Even if sumone 'chooses' 2 "sit back", he's only putting into action what's been pre-destined.

That's in keeping with the fatalistic theory of life.

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 21 2007, 02:08 AM

Now you make me very depressed noorie( with the fatalistic "KARMA" theory) ......i believe that my destiny is in my hands ......no doubt there are unforseen circumstances which may throw me off gear....but then i plan again shift gear and go on........ isn't that simpler?
I am stll waiting Ghostly Anticipation

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 02:24 AM

Not really. Sum people wud love 2 flow along with the tide.

Did I say I am not one of them?

Reeth, have you tried watching / reading a spooky movie / book late at night ?
That's guaranteed to make anyone see ghostly visions in places where they've seen none b4!

Try the book first, nothing like a little imagination 2 spur you on the ghostly hunt.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 02:26 AM

Noorie ji,
On the day of Judgement , Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) would go into sajdah ... lasting for days or years before God. Finally God would say ' Rise O Mohd. (Pbuh) What do you want' , then the Prophet will say "Ummah".
Then God would say " Fine .. you can go and get a third of your 'Ummah' back from Hell".

After getting his " Ummati" out of Hell, Prophet Mohd.(Pbuh) would go back into sajdah again ... & the same process is gonna go on till all the Ummati are going to be forgiven & placed in 'Heaven'.

This is how we are gonna be saved from hell fire ... finally.

God is not called "Zarra Nawaz" for no reason, If He sees even a slight glimpse of goodness in a person, He can grant him/her Heaven.
So it is our duty to walk on the path of Righteousness, & hope for the best. And not because God willed us to take the Right Or the Wrong path.
Man is not an animal, that he would be forgiven. Angels doesn't have hearts, so they won't do anything bad, its only Us who will be accounted for our deeds or misdeeds.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 02:34 AM

Haneef, that is the Islamic view-point. A belief.

The other one is a fatalistic theory.

You can't possibly reconcile the two; it isn't worth trying.


Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 02:40 AM

Then lets just go back to the topics on Ghostly sightings Noorie Ji,

Haneef

Posted by: Reeth Apr 21 2007, 02:42 AM

You are an Enigma noorie....i do flow wit the tide most of the time... at least...
hey i dont want an imaginative ghost.....the real thing....i am waiting for that...

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 02:51 AM

Sure, do you have more 2 share? Maybe?

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 03:00 AM

No, I don't.
I just used that excuse for a change of topic, b'cuz we never come to a common stand ever ... as usual, do we.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 03:13 AM

An "enigma" and me? I cud say the same about you.

Reeth, you want 2 see the "real thing", then how about booking urself into Chillingham Castle said 2 be the most haunted castle in England.
Has dungeons, even a torture chamber.

CHILLINGHAM CASTLE

History

Chillingham Castle Has Protected Its Inhabitants For 800 Years. Having been owned by Earls Grey and their descendants since the 1200s, Chillingham Castle bears the scars of battle and has felt the sorrows of abandonment. The early beginnings of this Northumberland fortification date far back to the 1100s, following the Norman Conquest. A Norman nobleman, in hopes of providing his family with a prosperous estate, built the original watchtower of Chillingham, which would be used for centuries to warn inhabitants of potential invasion and bloodshed.

Due to its strategic location, many infamous characters have resided within the dark castle walls. One of the first visitors, though only residing within the watch tower, was England's King Edward I. Better known as “Edward Longshanks”, he stopped en route to war, where he was destined to fight the legendary Scottish hero William Wallace. His ancient room is still intact. Other residents were not guests, but were forced to call Chillingham home. Deserted inmates seized from numerous battles could be found counting down the depressing days of their imprisonment within the castle's shadowy depths. The torture chamber displays gruesome instruments used to inflict pain and punishment, such as a bed of nails, a stretching rack, thumb screws and branding irons, and the dungeon walls are etched with notes from its despondant population.

A witness to violence, Chillingham has also experienced it first hand. With raging armies to the north, attacks were not uncommon—thus explaining the many enhancements made to the castle’s defense system throughout history. It has a surrounding moat, a 12-foot-thick defense system and several towers, but after regularly accommodating the first unified King of Scotland and England on his journeys between the two nations, Chillingham began to be transformed. Violence faded, and in contradiction to previous reinforcements, Chillingham underwent an aesthetic makeover, replacing previous defenses with residential luxuries formerly unknown. It became a lavish estate with landscaped grounds and gardens, depicting the peace that would continue to sweep across the area of Northumberland, England and Scotland.

Centuries later, in a time more familiar, Chillingham was used as a barracks during the Second World War. Soon after, the castle fell into wretchedness haunted by infestation and rot. Though the castle was abandoned and the Grey family moved to a new home, the area would soon be restored to the magnificence that once radiated from within its core, and that can till be found today.

Hauntings

The name Chillingham Castle speaks for itself, as it is thought to be one of the most haunted castles in Britain. Unnerving accounts of ghost sightings from witnesses of both the past and present have given Chillingham its chilling reputation. The Blue Boy, or Radiant Boy, could possibly be the castle's most famous ghost. It used to be that at midnight, when the clock tower struck 12, there were fearful moans and cries coming from The Pink Room—a bedroom within the castle. After the moaning stopped, supposedly anyone in the bedroom would see a blurry image of a boy dressed all in blue, accompanied by a bright halo of light surrounding the four-poster bed. In the 1920s, a young boy’s remains were found by construction workers behind a 10-foot-thick wall and given a proper burial. Sightings of the Blue Boy have since ceased.

Another ghost believed to haunt the castle is that of Lady Mary Berkeley. In her time she was the wife of Ford, Lord Grey of Wark and Chillingham, and Earl of Tankerville. Having deserted his wife and their child, Berkeley was left to wallow in sorrow within the castle walls. The rustle of her dress is said to be audible as she wanders sadly through the hallways.



For now take a tour through this link:

http://www.chillingham-castle.com/ghosts/sightings.htm

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 03:22 AM

And is that really important? Why so?

Noorie

Posted by: balajigade Apr 21 2007, 02:02 PM

You have a valid point, Haneef. I too don't actually believe in the paranormal stuff but some times you are scared of something unknown as I've already mentioned in my previous post or may be of aloneness. A normal man can never control his mind or his emotions--you cannot control laughter, the sorrow, the anger etc. and so also the fear. It requires really some yogic power to do so. Even the greatest ghost-buster will be suspicious of what is going on behind his back while entering the Chillingham castle.

Belief ( and so also the disbelief) is a preconceived mindset which we rarely budge from. The existence of ghosts and spirits may be still debatable but I've come across or heard of many persons who are said to be godly personalities and spiritual leaders and have millions of followers. May be they are very knowledgeable, pious and true to their virtues--I have reverence for such magnanimous personalities. But what surprises me is that many of my friends who are mad followers of one of such living dignitaries, see all supernatural powers in him. They see honey and vibhooti oozing out from his photo hanging on their living room wall and I cannot. It really embarrassed me once when I was there in a get together accidentally and I could not see the 'miracle' taking place when every body else in the room did. I was the odd man out and my friend jeered at me saying that the ...ji only shows all his chamatkars to his devotees only. Certainly it was not a bluff, but a belief (or maybe my disbelief?) There are were soon a no. of stories as to how the godman cured all incurable diseases with the touch of his hand, how the lost properties were gained and I was supposed to believe all this.

Certain activities, which we may call extraordinary capabilities or supernatural powers, are possible with yogic powers or will-power and they do have a scientific reasoning to some extent but we tend to exaggerate them out of proportions and end up in trash.

--Balaji

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 06:10 PM

Cuz' for once ... I wanna' know how it feels to be on the winning side.
You seem to win all the conversations/arguments ... all the time.

Haneef

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 06:56 PM

Balaji, I agree with you on this one, that some people really do possess to some extent ...'supernatural powers', through which they can cure others.

Let me tell you about another incident about a ghostly apparition I saw in a photo.
There is this famous Urologist who lives close to my house in Redhills, Hyd. named Dr.Aftab Hussain. Even though there is a huge age difference, we got along great cuz' my Grand father was a Dr. too. (So he would visit sometimes).
Dr. Aftab Hussain did most of his studies abroad in England, he would always tell me about the hard times he had to go through while studying there.
Once he was showing me his illumni/class pictures taken in England, I noticed that in one photo ... there was a white shadow standing among the rest of his class. When I asked who the shadow was ... he replied " This photo was taken on the last day of our graduating from the college ... all the time we thought this person(shadow) was a normal person, It was only after this picture came about every one found out that person was a 'Jinn' ". There were no whereabouts of him after that, nobody ever saw him again. Dr. Aftab Hussain was so very serious when he said this, there was no way he could be joking to me.

I even touched & felt the photo with my finger, thinking he must've just scraped it or something, But I couldn't find any. The photo was a genuine one, it is still hanging in his hospital.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 07:38 PM

Haneef, how do you know that there's such a thing as a "winning side" in a conversation ? There certainly isn't. Ask anyone, they'll tell you so.

The important thing is you have a bit of innocent fun along with others. That's all I am doing.

Why shud it matter that you blend in with the others? Wudn't that make you lose out on your individuality?
You can't really change people's perception of you, b'coz a lot of them are plain biased and prejudiced.
Therefore seeking their 'approval' is a waste of time.
I wudn't pursue that course if I were you.

Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie

Posted by: YaarMere Apr 21 2007, 07:57 PM

Just ask bobby and oye sonu they'll tell you if there is a 'losing side' or not.

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 08:12 PM

If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

Haneef

Posted by: yob Apr 21 2007, 08:13 PM

ym bobby can defeat u any time any where------haan last time tum jeet gaye thee but tum kaise jeete ye sabko maaloom hai---aur bobby ko maaloom thaa ki former admin tumhare against kuch bhi nahin karenge--aur nuksaan bobby ka hi hoga--phir bhi ya hamari hi himmat thi ki itna sab jaante hue bhi tumse takra gaye--aur hf ko jitna nuksaan ym ki vajeh se hua hai-vo tou shayad hi kabhi puraa ho paye ye baat bhi sab jaante hain--
---aapke dost---azgar khan sahab kehte hain ki ym thoda sa blunt hai isliye log usko bura samjhte hai tou bhai mere -phir blunt hone ka koi scale nahin hota hai--aur na hi aisa ho sakta hai ki jis scale tak tumhara dost blunt hai--bas vahin tak jayaj hai--doosra koi ym se bhi jyada blunt ho sakta hai-----and ym---ye baat tou bhool jao ki neutral place or judges ke beech tum mere ko tou kya ek chote bachche ko bhi defeat de sakte ho---cause u r a sick person--jiska ilaaz bas ek hi hai--do teen baar pehle bhi medicine de chuka hoon---chahte ho tou ek baar phir doon kya??

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 08:17 PM

What! You don't believe that a castle cud be genuinely haunted????

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 08:25 PM

No, I don't.
Do You ?

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 21 2007, 08:50 PM

Not just a castle or mansion, but even an outhouse, servants' help quarters, an abandoned well and a disused rail shunting station, can be haunted; I wud be sceptical if I hadn't 'seen' and 'felt' it 4 myself.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 21 2007, 09:00 PM

You've been there ?
Wow !
Can you please write about your 'experiences'.

Haneef

Posted by: nasir Apr 21 2007, 11:27 PM

Speaking of castles which are far away from the countryside is understandable. What would you say if an entire building is haunted and that too right in the heart of the city?

Once, when I was in Bahrain, an arab friend while showing me the country pointed out a 7-storey building right in the heart of the city and located at the intersection of four roads. It was completely vacant. He said that the building was haunted by the Jinns. Imagine!

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir Apr 22 2007, 12:15 AM

Guys, you have been discussing two different topics and both of them are huge: Taqdeer and now Intercession.
Very shortly, belief in Taqdeer is the basic part of IMAAN. Even in early Islamic period there was a great debate between Islamic scholars who have gone down in history as the Jabriyya and the Qadriyya, i.e. the fatalists and the exponents of Free Will. That period was also the period of the Mutazilites who were the Rationalists. Let me quote the following which I'm sure will answer a lot of our question:

Imam Hasan bin ‘Ali sent the following reply to Hazrat Hasan of Basra on that topic. I quote:

“I begin with the name of Allah, the most Merciful and most Gracious. I receive your letter indicating the anxiety over the controversy, and the state of bewilderment prevailing in the ummah. I am firmly in the opinion that he who does not believe in predestination of good and evil (like the Qadarites) is an infidel; and he who attributes evil to the Almighty like the (Jabarites) is a sinner. He who does good, does so by his own free will, and he who commits a sin, does so of his own accord. But still Allah is the Supreme Lord. Although He has given u the brain to decide, He is still Rule over your brain. He does not stop any man from doing good, nor does He force anyone to commit a sin. At the same time, He has the power to prevent man from committing a sin, but if He does not prevent him, it does not mean that He has forced him to do so. This is where the Jabarites have erred. Allah Almighty has given man the discretion to decide what is good and what is evil. He has also given him the power to do good and avoid evil. Thus His policy remains irrefutable. Wassalam."
Commenting on the above Hazrat Ali bin Usman al-Hajwiri (known as Hazrat Daata Ganje Bakesh in India and Pakistan) says in his famous KASHF AL MAHJUB:
"This means that he who does not attribute the power to do good or evil to God is not a Muslim. And one who ascribes evil to God is a sinner. That is to say those who disbelieve in predestination are Qadariya (Qadarites) and those who attribute evil to God are Jabriya (Jabarites). Man is free to act in accordance with the (limited) power given to him by God. And our religion (Islam) is between Jabr and Qadr. This is the crux of the problem which I wanted to make known. I have quoted the whole letter to show Imam Hasan’s knowledge of the secrets (haqaiq) of Islam."

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 22 2007, 01:40 AM

Thanks Nasir, that was very illuminating.

The concept of freewill and predetermination is one of those wonderful philosophical / theological paradoxes that exist in nearly all religions of the world, and it’s not something that can be resolved easily ‘coz no one so far has come up with all the satisfactory answers.

So, cud we move on 2 saner topics like ghost busting please?

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 22 2007, 11:53 AM

I have heard a lot about this place.....why dont you share your experience with us noorie??

Posted by: Reeth Apr 22 2007, 11:57 AM

Nasir, i was told by an architect friend that there is such a building in mumbai which is supposed to be haunted and there are no takers........it is somewhere close to peddar road/carmichael road area....

Posted by: Reeth Apr 22 2007, 12:15 PM

bobby why dont we all start afresh?/ plz forget all the past happenings and move on.....it is a new scene here on hf now, new admin......be part of everything... why don;t you share some of your experience here....??

Posted by: yob Apr 22 2007, 02:00 PM

reeth sahab kuch log kabhi bhi shanti nahin chahte hain---aap hi dekhiye--yahhaan bhi kaun pehle start hua hai----aur aise hi chalta raha tou bro--mere paas share karne ke liye fights ke hi experience reh jayenge- -thoda sa gyan is ym ko bhi dijiye aap sab log---kyunki main tou isko wahi de sakta hoon jo ye aadmi deserve karta hai---

Posted by: Dharmaan Khan Apr 23 2007, 06:37 AM

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mere paas share karne ke liye fights ke hi experience reh jayenge
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Tanz ke alfaaz hi nauk e zubaan reh jayenge, doston ke paas kal pathar kahan reh jayenge
Bas yahi yadein banengi rabaton ka ek pull, khwaab hi kuch tere mere darmiyaan reh jayenge
teri palkon par kabhi main tartharoanga zaroor, tere rukhsaron pe sochon ke nishaan reh jayenge
aap ke zair e nageen sari zameen aajayegi, mere hisse main faqat kuch aasman reh jayenge
PHAILTE SAAYON KI ZULMAT IS QADAR HOGI MUHEET, AADMI UTH JAYENGE, KUCH SAHIBAA REH JAYENGE
YAAD KI HAR REHGUZAR GULKOSH TO HOGI MAGAR, CHAND KAANTE BHI NASEEB E DUSHMANA REH JAYENGE

Posted by: nasir Apr 23 2007, 02:29 PM

Let's move on......
I have some more personal experiences about the "ghosts". Two of them involve tactile sensation and one just aural or sound sensation. I'll relate the latter:

We had a small building located in the Central Bombay - Byculla to be specific. This was taken from the Maharani of Diwaas. In fact this building used to be a Bungalow of the Rajah of Diwaas. We converted the building into tenements and gave rooms on rent to various tenants on the first floor. The portion above the first floor was equally spacious but lying useless and desolate when we thought of constructing rooms.
That portion used to be dark even during bright days and very eerie too. Briefly, we made rooms on the portion that we can call the 2nd floor. One big room was given to a Sari Printer, another to a Purse Maker. Rest were all vacant. In a room located in a corner I used to sleep all by myself. All other rooms were vacant.

After a few days, it was reported someone is heard walking at night on the second floor. Again, it was reported that things are being removed from one place to another in that area. Since I used to sleep alone in my room I thought it would be better to sleep in company of that purse wallah who was our tenant.
So that night I did just that. Sometime, after midnight, I was woken up by that purse wallah. I got up rubbing my eyes. He pointed out in a direction. There I saw his assistance, named Babu, sitting with his hands holding his stomach tight as if in pain. With wide eyes he was staring in one particular location, unable to speak. He looked terrible with a contorted face. It was frightening.

Quietly I whispered into the ears of the purse wallah what was the reason for Babu's posture. He said he didn't know. All of a sudden, the said Babu gave a shriek and jumped at us. We shifted back. Thereafter he started wailing. We made him keep quiet and asked him to sleep in our midst. All night I lay awake, scared that Babu would suddenly attack us. I decided it was better to sleep in my own room all alone than face the dangers in purse-wallah's room.

So the next night I took a dagger with me and put it underneath my pillow and lay there on my bed. Then at about 11.30 p.m. I clearly heard the sound of someone walking. The sound was clear: 'tak, TAK, tak, TAK. " Between "Fleeing and Facing" I took the latter option. Immediately I jumped out of my bed, opened and door and leaned out to see who it was. Simultaneously, I also noticed that the purse-wallah and the Sari Printer also were cheking out the sound. But no one was seen.

I decided to avoid the second floor and remained on the first floor. It was sometime during this period that I was told that the Sari wallah who had slept on the small adjoining terrace there, was actually picked up and thrown back into the interior space. Fortunately he was not thrown down from the terrace to the earth below.

When more and more rooms were built and with the new tenants coming in, gradually we got rid of that Stalking Terror. But one thing did emerge that it was not some evil ghost, but some Pure Sou.

NASIR.

Posted by: haneef Apr 23 2007, 09:10 PM

Nasir Bhai,
I have heard a lot of times from different people that if a person sleeps right in front of the entrance of Masjids which are frequented by 'Paak Jinns', & if he doesn't get up on time for the Fajar Prayer, He is moved by the Jinns to a corner.
I am not sure if this is true or not ... just revealing what I heard.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 23 2007, 10:17 PM

I have my doubts about that! Didn't he just push the sari wallah into "inner space"?
That strikes me as a very wicked thing to do.

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 23 2007, 10:21 PM

Why into a "corner"?

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 23 2007, 11:43 PM

Noorie Ji,
I meant to say they (Jinns) supposedly drag the 'sleepers' away from the entrance, so that they are not in the way.
Now How 'bout sharing your experience.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 23 2007, 11:59 PM

How about a bargain? I might consider it, if you stop being a sceptic first.
Do you think you cud accomplish that?

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 24 2007, 12:29 AM

Noorie Ji,
Its hard to believe something which I have not 'seen',
O.K How about " Maybe they exist (Devils or Restless Spirits .. whatever)".
... Will that statement Work ?
Lets see now, if you keep your part of the deal.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 24 2007, 12:52 AM

"Maybe"? That still sounds sceptical.

Let me rephrase that; what wud it take 4 you 2 be convinced beyond any doubt that paranormal phenomena is a reality ?

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 24 2007, 01:04 AM

I would have to see it to believe it.

Can you please share your experience about the paranormal.
I heard that even Ghosts prefer to scare the opposite sex.

Haneef

Posted by: Reeth Apr 24 2007, 01:09 AM

bobby i know nothing abt your misunderstanding wit YM and it is not right for me to interfere unless it involves me in some manner or the other......too many cooks spoil.......just asking you to participate here and elsewhere...

Posted by: Reeth Apr 24 2007, 01:14 AM

A lot of buildings seem to be haunted in Mumbai.......makes sense with all that crowd..........hve to co exist i guess

Posted by: Reeth Apr 24 2007, 01:18 AM

She is putting up her price... plz do the honors noorie.......

Posted by: noorie Apr 24 2007, 01:30 AM

'Even" ? Haneef, it seems to me that you know a whole lot about ghosts and their preferences, more than you let on, by your posts.

Mine wasn't 'scary' at all, at least not in the 'typical' sense.
I'll save my ghostly encounters ( that's right, more than one) 4 the last, after everyone else has exhausted sharing their's.

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 24 2007, 01:35 AM

Was I really? For I wasn't aware of that Reeth.

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 24 2007, 01:44 AM

Not really, unless the netherworld is equally crowded, and there too they have 2 jostle 4 space.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 24 2007, 04:28 AM

Oh ! I heard a lot of Ghost stories from other people, relatives etc., as a kid.
Don't remember much now ... (that there's been a gap of nearly two decades), but I thought this topic was about 'self encounters' with the paranormal.
I think everybody is done, with their 'encounters' & now its your turn ( Let the cat out of the bag ).

Haneef

Posted by: nasir Apr 24 2007, 11:40 PM

Haneef bhai, that's a very common occurrence - Jinns occupying Mosques. I have heard many tales in this regard. One that instantly comes to mind is the one told by my Bahraini arab friend. It seems he along with his group while on rounds slept in one Masjid. In the morning they got up for the Fajr prayers. But they found some still sleeping. He was covered from head to foot with a blanket. He went to wake him up and actually touched him when he literally got a terrible shock. In moments the body disappeared from his sight.

In fact such tales are many. The Jinns pray even the Tahajjud (after midnight prayers) while in abandoned Masjid they pray at all fixed times. Then, if they find a person sleeping on the way, they may even throw him after due warnings.

I will come to this later, Insha Allah. It's midnight here, and the Cyber Cafe is about to be closed.

NASIR.

Posted by: haneef Apr 25 2007, 12:01 AM

Nasir Bhai, I heard about these incidences from various diff. people , ... so could it be true ?

Did you also ever hear about 'Jinns' buying flowers/sweets using 'coal' as a mode of payment, & later that coal changing into gold nugget the next day.
I really believed that as a kid, but now ... 'Naah ! it was just a story ... maybe'.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 25 2007, 02:00 AM

The witching hour......

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 25 2007, 02:58 AM

i can well believe that....


Let me share one more story as told by an old relative of mine...He is a retd army Brigadier nearly 80 yrs old if i am not mistaken, an absolutely interesting person......still drives n is very active.....he shared one of his mysterious experiences with me ..
This took place in the early sixties while he had come to coorg on his annual vaccation...he and 3 of his friends decided to go for a shikari( those days it was fashionable i guess) so they set out on a jeep taking all the neccessary things and after venturing into the forest they had to leave the jeep as there was no proper road .....so they walked around and having shot some birds and the like, decided to get back to the jeep and found that they were completely lost....after trying various different directions suddenly they noticed a small settlement with a few huts, one often comes across these suddenly.......they decided to get help from there....just as they were approaching it , it began to rain heavily and they ran towards the first hut and tried the door.It was open so they walked in and found no one there. But there were signs of life, there was a fire burning on one side in a grate, the kind one sees in villages.....they waited for some time and apparently all of them fell asleep on the floor out of sheer exhaustion...when they woke up they found it was already dark but the rain had stopped, and they went out and found a couple of people moving about in the distance .....went to them and since it was dark they could hardly make them out....aked for direction and one of them nodded and came with them ,it seems he walked without the help of any light,but these people inspite of carrying torches were unable to keep pace with him....and when they came near to the place where they had parked the jeep he had already gone.....
later they recounted this incident to a forest officer friend of theirs and he was astonished to hear this, since they know every inch of the forest....according to him the little settlement that was there had been burnt down a couple of years ago.....

Posted by: nasir Apr 25 2007, 08:19 PM

It's really fun to talk about ghosts and read ghostly stories after the clock has struck Twelve midnight when there is no one around.

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir Apr 25 2007, 08:25 PM

It seems the genies are very fond of perfumes and sweets. So it is said that the shop doing these businesses usually flourish. Naturally, such shops would be open after midnight - the time when people wonder why at all the shop remains open. I haven't heard about the form of payment.

But then, we always have to distinguish between the good and the bad Jinns.

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 26 2007, 01:34 AM

That's the same as a poltergeist, right?

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 26 2007, 01:49 AM

Reeth, that was a fascinating tale! Wonder what the Brigadier's reaction was when he was told that no such hut existed anymore in those woods.

One thing's 4 sure, he must have been glad that he didn't know this while he was enjoying the hospitality of the spooks!

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 26 2007, 01:56 AM

You know we wer discussing this from every angle possible, and he is still not sure what to believe in....
He still feels that there is some other explaination, and he was not able to pursue the matter those days as he was called away.......it was some time during the indo china war...

Posted by: noorie Apr 26 2007, 06:43 PM

I too agree that there has 2 be some other convincing explanation 4 what happened that night.

Perhaps it was a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and sumone ingeniously came up with the ghost story 2 cover up the real happenings.

Whatever, it still makes 4 a brilliant after dinner story.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 27 2007, 02:03 AM

Reeth could it be possible that they (tribesmen) had relocated in this new place & did not lit up the place.
Fearing they would be found out again & removed forcefully from their houses/huts.
People can adapt seeing in the dark, I for sure need total darkness in the bedroom before I hit the bed for sleep.

Haneef

Posted by: haneef Apr 27 2007, 02:15 AM

Nasir Bhai, I have this friend who was studying for medicine & was very religious.
My last years visit to Hyd, all the other friends told me not to meet him becuz' he is said to be possessed by a 'Paak Jinn' & he simply hits/slaps others if you say something he doesn't agree with.
He didn't even recognize me, & I have'nt changed at all in appearance in the past 5 yrs we didnt meet.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 27 2007, 02:21 AM

It cud be all that studying.....

Being a med student is tough!

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 27 2007, 02:26 AM

You mean to say all Docs. are crazy.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 27 2007, 03:14 AM

Like a cat, you mean? Cats are believed to be mysterious creatures, and are commonly associated with witchcraft. Especially black cats with golden eyes.

Has one ever crossed your path Haneef?

Noorie

Posted by: noorie Apr 27 2007, 03:18 AM

Not all, but the few I've met are certainly not as sane as they wud have liked me 2 believe.

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 27 2007, 03:33 AM

You seem to know a great deal about Witch Craft.
So exactly when are you going to let your cat out of the bag.

I guess I am unlucky for some people.

Haneef

Posted by: noorie Apr 27 2007, 03:38 AM

I will soon.

Not really. You just happen 2 think you are.

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Apr 27 2007, 02:44 PM

Yes there could be some explaination to this.......... but once we come to know the truth the element of mystery wd be lost.........so better to leave it as it is....what say?

Posted by: noorie Apr 27 2007, 06:12 PM

Let sleeping ghosts lie?

Whatever you say Reeth.

Noorie

Posted by: nasir Apr 27 2007, 08:29 PM

Jinnaat (Jinss) are different. As for "poltergeist" it normally means "Noisy Ghost."

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 27 2007, 08:39 PM

How "different" Nasir?

Noorie

Posted by: haneef Apr 27 2007, 08:54 PM

My NaaniJaan used to say,
" If you ever see a Jinn do not read Surah-Jinn, People tend to believe that it scares the Jinn away, but they do not know that if you read that Surah, the Jinn becomes more powerful & might advance towards you ".

Haneef

Posted by: nasir Apr 27 2007, 08:59 PM

Possession of human beings by one or more Jinns, again, are common. In view of what you said above, let me relate a first-hand experience:

If you've read one of my previous postings, you'll remember I wrote about constructing of a second floor in the building we had got from the Maharani of Deewaas. So much later on, when all the rooms had been constructed they were given on leave and licence basis to various people.

Now, there was a muslim family of a Shia sect and among the family was my friend who happened to be a Sunni. (How this came to happen is another haunting story involving them). This family had a visitor who had come from Meerut. Once when I happened to be around, I saw this person, who was sitting on the floor, suddenly lifting off the floor in the sitting posture. This happened two or three times. Then we heard a gruff voice saying: :ASSALAAM ALAYKUM, and then commanding SURAH MOHAMMED PA.DHO," i.e. read the Quranic chapter called Muhammad (s). This voice was emanating from the Meerut guy.
The head of the household fortunately happened to be there. He was a learned Maulana (he was also the Arabic teacher of the yesteryear's film star SHAKEELA). The learned Maulana began his recitation. After he had finished reading the chapter, the voice then said that the visitor should not travel back to Meerut by the morning (or evening I don't remember) train. That is, it wanted the visitor to switch to some particular time of the day when choosing the train.

After this some people asked for certain results as to what was going to happen, e.g. if someone would pass their exams, etc. I remember there was one particular women who had also dropped in to ask some question. She was driven off in a very rude manner by the possessed person. (It appeared that she had been in the state of impurity).

All the above happened before my eyes.

Being curious, after a day or so, I sought the Meerut visitor when he was in a normal state. I asked him about the possession of his. He narrated to me that he is a very good QAARI (who recites the Quran in a systematic sweet rendition). The Jinn happened to like his reading and possessed him. He also told me that in the beginning it was very difficult to bear this burden and that he used to cry a lot shedding lots of tears which seemed very abundant for a normal human being. He told me that usually his house in Meerut is visited by many people on Thursdays when the Jinn speaks through him. I then wished him all the best and after some days he went back to his native city Meerut.

NASIR.

Posted by: haneef Apr 27 2007, 09:12 PM

Nasir Bhai,
I had this college senior staying next to my room during my college days, Once he told everybody that the house he lives in Hyd. is possessed by Jinns.
He said that whenever they would put some stuff in a place, it would be moved to a diff. place in the house (the next instant), he also revealed that they had finally come to peace with the Jinns in that house, & they don't bother them anymore.
According to him Jinns are made of Fire, while we humans are made of Sand, Water & Fire (The anger in us is supposed to be fire), & these Jinns are scared of our Anger.

Haneef

Posted by: nasir Apr 28 2007, 06:08 PM

The creation of Jinn is mentioned in the Holy Quran as being from a smokeless fire. In fact, Iblis was not an angel but of the Jinn. There is a huge islamic literature on the Jinns. Many ahadith too. The THRONE VERSE (AAYATUL KURSI) from Surah Baqra is very effective against the Jinns. Once upon a time I had a mind to write a booklet on the Jinn in English since most of such books are in Arabic and Urdu and then we had no internet facility. I dropped the idea later on.

How did that family come to peace with the Jinns?

NASIR.

Posted by: noorie Apr 28 2007, 11:21 PM

Some paranormal phenomena captured in pixs.
Or trick photography?


An 'orb' and a dog


A ghostly 'face' caught on film


Outside an abandoned mental hospital


An 'orb' caught in a hallway


Spooks walking down a corridor

Noorie

Posted by: nasir Apr 29 2007, 11:02 PM

Jinnat (plural of Jin) or genies are actual creation just as we humans are a creation in Islam. Ibn Taimiyya had written a lot on the Jinn though I do not agree with many of his views explaining the presence of the Jinss. An english book on the JINN appears in a condensed form. All that discussion would be "technical". As for us the common people, our knowledge usually comes about from what we see and hear on this subject - one of which I have already narrated yesterday.

Jinns are mentioned in the Quran al-Majeed and other scriptures. They have also been created to worship God. In fact, Hazrat Suleiman (a.s.) (Solomon) had the Jinns for his service as every Muslim knows. Also, the incident that occurred during the preparation war of trenches at Madinah when one Sahabi went to his and found his wife standing at the door infuriating him and how he later saw a big snake on his bed (a Jinn) is another famous incident. Also, there are ahadith on Prophet (s) direct confrontation with a Jinn and his tying them up to a pole, i.e. sparing him in deference to Prophet Sulaiman a.s., makes an interesting reading. Then the very famous incidenty involving Abu Hurairah ® during the period of Ramadan is also found in the hadith literature. The Jinns can take any form or shape. Also, though human cannot see the jinns on earth they will be able to see them in the afterlife but the Jinns won't be able to see the human beings there. Another important fact is that the Jinns may belong to all religions, some being Budhhists, etc. In fact the recent authoritative incident has been recorded when the late Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Ibn Baaz, exorcised a Jinn from a woman's body. How the Jinns are to be exorcised are a science by itself.

As for poltergeists, it is generally stated that these are just the projection of a mind of a person either in a family or at work places. For laymen, they are sort of ghosts who make lot of noises, throw things around, and cause general harassments.

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir Apr 29 2007, 11:22 PM

As far as I know, Surah Jinn is recited in profusion for freeing a person from the jail. As for repelling the Jin, Aayatu Kursi (The Throne Verses) from Surah Baqra are effective according to Islamic scholars. Also, the last two Surahs of the Quran (Surah Falaq and Surah Naas) are also recited. "Oudhu Billah...." is also frequently recited. All power comes from God.

NASIR.

Posted by: haneef Apr 30 2007, 01:25 AM

Nasir Bhai, Can you please write about this ahadith in brief.
In any forum (spiritual) you may find fit (just give me the link here).

Haneef

PS: I don't know how that family came in terms with the Jinns. I think an 'Aamil' was used as a medium.

Posted by: nasir Apr 30 2007, 07:38 PM

Imam Bukhari (reh):
Volume 2, Book 22, Number 301:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet once offered the prayer and said, "Satan came in front of me and tried to interrupt my prayer, but Allah gave me an upper hand on him and I choked him. No doubt, I thought of tying him to one of the pillars of the mosque till you get up in the morning and see him. Then I remembered the statement of Prophet Solomon, 'My Lord ! Bestow on me a kingdom such as shall not belong to any other after me.' Then Allah made him (Satan) return with his head down (humiliated)."

Please recheck the reference number because in some books it may differ...

NASIR.

Posted by: haneef May 1 2007, 12:47 AM

Thank you, Nasir Bhai !

Haneef

Posted by: nasir May 1 2007, 09:08 PM

You're welcome!

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir May 4 2007, 12:41 AM

Reeth, waiting for more....

And, Noorie and Hanif where are you guys?

NASIR.

Posted by: Reeth May 4 2007, 03:55 PM

Nasir now we are all waiting for Noorie.....where s she? She is yet to tell us her experiences....

Posted by: noorie May 7 2007, 11:24 PM

Sorry everyone 4 being the last 2 arrive; I really had no choice. Got caught up in Life's silky web, and only just managed 2 extricate myself.

Watch this thread. I'll share those ghostly episodes soon.
Don't tell me that you guys dislike the anticipation?

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth May 8 2007, 03:16 PM

Watching and waiting noorie

Guess what?? we must discuss some about Bollywood's ghost movies .......I loved Gumnaam,woh kaun thi,Bees saal baad and Kohraa......the right kind of atmosphere etc;...

Posted by: nasir May 8 2007, 10:14 PM

Bollywood ghost movies only? Why not its studios. Believe me, some of them are haunted as well. One incident that comes immediately to mind is the MUKESH MILLS (I hope I got the name right) an abandoned area in Mumbai, where most the movies used to be shot. Many workers had died in the fire that destroyed the Mill. It isbelieved that many ghosts of the workers are active there. There was this girl - a junior artiste, who aftthe shooting went to urinate in some remote corner of the abandoned Mill. She was immediately possessed by some ghost. This girl was never normal thereafter . She died within a year.

Another ghostly incident relates to a famous Studio in the far western suburbs of Mumbai (name is deliberately suppressed by me). Here in some dress room, when an artiste was examining the dresses, one particular dress that was hung quite high suddenly came down on its own - making that artiste run out of the room.

Thus I've heard of many incidents relating to the studios as well as the Hotels where the film-wallahs are usually lodged on outdoor locations.

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir May 8 2007, 10:18 PM

Yesssssss! Waiting with bated breath! Let's hear those tales of horror...How I wished we were together in some room or place together, listening to those tales....

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir May 11 2007, 10:57 PM

We're letting the sleepin' ghosts lie for quite sometime. What say guys?

NASIR.

Posted by: nasir May 28 2007, 08:47 PM

Is the haunting over?

NASIR.

Posted by: Reeth May 28 2007, 10:09 PM

No ......waiting for Noorie to do some

Posted by: nasir May 28 2007, 10:28 PM

Great!

Nasir.

Posted by: haneef May 29 2007, 07:18 AM

Was she for real in the first place ?
Woh Kaun Thi ?

Haneef

Posted by: Reeth May 30 2007, 04:36 PM

WHO?? Noorie??

Posted by: noorie Jun 1 2007, 10:47 AM

The sprite who floats.

For those who’re wondering where I’ve been all this while, the summer was getting to me, so I decided 2 take off to Chillingham Castle to cool off. Bad idea. The place is unrecognisable with those beastly tourists swarming like locusts all over.
Next time I’ll choose hell. I 'heard' they’ve even had it A/ced. I can take rest there in relative comfort.
Anyone care 2 join me?

Noorie

Posted by: Reeth Jun 1 2007, 07:20 PM

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[quote name='haneef' post='376197' date='May 29 2007, 07:18 AM']
[quote name='nasir' post='376104' date='May 28 2007, 10:28 PM']
[quote name='Reeth' post='376090' date='May 28 2007, 10:09 PM']
[quote name='nasir' post='372617' date='May 11 2007, 10:57 PM']
[quote name='noorie' post='367214' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:12 PM']
[quote name='Reeth' post='367158' date='Apr 27 2007, 02:44 PM']
[quote name='noorie' post='366805' date='Apr 26 2007, 06:43 PM']
I too agree that there has 2 be some other convincing explanation 4 what happened that night.

Perhaps it was a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and sumone ingeniously came up with the ghost story 2 cover up the real happenings.

Whatever, it still makes 4 a brilliant after dinner story.

Noorie
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[quote name='haneef' post='366989' date='Apr 27 2007, 02:03 AM']
[quote name='noorie' post='366805' date='Apr 26 2007, 06:43 PM']
I too agree that there has 2 be some other convincing explanation 4 what happened that night.

Perhaps it was a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, and sumone ingeniously came up with the ghost story 2 cover up the real happenings.

Whatever, it still makes 4 a brilliant after dinner story.

Noorie
[/quote]
Reeth could it be possible that they (tribesmen) had relocated in this new place & did not lit up the place.
Fearing they would be found out again & removed forcefully from their houses/huts.
People can adapt seeing in the dark, I for sure need total darkness in the bedroom before I hit the bed for sleep.

Haneef
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Yes there could be some explaination to this.......... but once we come to know the truth the element of mystery wd be lost.........so better to leave it as it is....what say?
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Let sleeping ghosts lie?

Whatever you say Reeth.

Noorie
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We're letting the sleepin' ghosts lie for quite sometime. What say guys?

NASIR.
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[quote name='nasir' post='376049' date='May 28 2007, 08:47 PM']
Is the haunting over? NASIR.
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No ......waiting for Noorie to do some
[/quote]

Great!

Nasir.
[/quote]
Was she for real in the first place ?
Woh Kaun Thi ?

Haneef
[/quote]

The sprite who floats.

For those who’re wondering where I’ve been all this while, the summer was getting to me, so I decided 2 take off to Chillingham Castle to cool off. Bad idea. The place is unrecognisable with those beastly tourists swarming like locusts all over.
Next time I’ll choose hell. I 'heard' they’ve even had it A/ced. I can take rest there in relative comfort.
Anyone care 2 join me?

Noorie
[/quote]


nice to see you back noorie...........no haunting tales from Chillingham?When is the next visit?
So when are you going to share your ghost stories with us? we are all Waiting,waiting waiting....

Posted by: noorie Jun 1 2007, 07:59 PM

Nice 2 be welcomed back Reeth.

Chillingham's ? No life at all there.

My "next visit" -when you least expect.

Reeth, you call my true ghost incidents "stories" and I might decide 2 haunt you 4 life!

Noorie