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Hamara Forums _ Hamari Sangeet Mehfil _ Forum Title - Sur Mein Na Sahi
Posted by: OMkar Oct 2 2007, 06:58 PM
Hello Friends,
I am fairly new member of Hamaraforums (HF). But ever since I joined HF, I always found the name of this forum somehow unsuitable for the members who are uploading their version songs. I have recorded few songs in the professional recording studio couple of years back and I sincerely feel that my songs are definitely not as good as the original one. But at the same time, they are very much in Sur. Without Sur and Taal, I dont really think the song can be recorded properly especially in the professioanl studios.
My sincere opinion is to change the name of this Forum from 'Sur Mein Na Sahi' to, may be something like
HF Ki Mehfil
HF Sangeet-Manch
Hamare member-Gayak
Sureela HF
Sur Ke Sath HF
HF ke Sur-Taal
Sangeet/ Gayaki Ke Deewane
If anyone has any other name in mind, please do suggest!
Guys, even if you do not agree with me, please say it out. Lets see how many feel exactly the same like me.
I am expecting opinions of many valuable members such as Anwar Fan, King Rafi, Sanjkash, Dhananjay, HumTum, eskayes, King Kishore, Marcilo, Dubloo, Paresh Pai, Shabbitkumar786, ravikumarfromindia, Deewani, Madhavi, GURUFAN, Azad, etc and many others whom I missed to mention here.
Posted by: sanjkash Oct 2 2007, 11:58 PM
OMkar Bhau and HF Members,
I applaud your initiative in this matter, as I feel strongly as well that the name is unfair (to the artists). The name goes just unnoticed, doesn't attrach anybody's attention. All this may leave the amature HF artists demotivated/shy/scared/unstaisfied and may just block their progress/learing/sharing.
Let's not forget these are OUR ARTISTS (OUR OWN HF ARTISTS) who are willing (making efforts) to entertain OUR HF MEMBERS. If we are not the ones to make sure that the NAME is suitable, promotions and encouragements for the HF artists are there, then who else should/would do that. We want to get it right, we want to get it growing, we want HF Artists to come forward and show their skills and finally we want HF memebrs to get a treat/entertainment from the artists. All in all FUN for everyone.
I just make a small combinations from your suggestions "HF Ke Surile Artists" or even propose a very obvious one "Karaoke Mehfil". Hope there is a positive mood in getting this right.
Thanks.
Sanjay
Posted by: Anwar_Fan Oct 3 2007, 02:22 AM
OMkar Bhau and HF Members,
I applaud your initiative in this matter, as I feel strongly as well that the name is unfair (to the artists). The name goes just unnoticed, doesn't attrach anybody's attention. All this may leave the amature HF artists demotivated/shy/scared/unstaisfied and may just block their progress/learing/sharing.
Let's not forget these are OUR ARTISTS (OUR OWN HF ARTISTS) who are willing (making efforts) to entertain OUR HF MEMBERS. If we are not the ones to make sure that the NAME is suitable, promotions and encouragements for the HF artists are there, then who else should/would do that. We want to get it right, we want to get it growing, we want HF Artists to come forward and show their skills and finally we want HF memebrs to get a treat/entertainment from the artists. All in all FUN for everyone.
I just make a small combinations from your suggestions "HF Ke Surile Artists" or even propose a very obvious one "Karaoke Mehfil". Hope there is a positive mood in getting this right.
Thanks.
Sanjay
Yeah! I totally agree with Omkar and Sanjkash, The current title is not the best to promote this dying thread. We want lots of people to upload their music here and entertain the rest of us Music LOVERS. There’s absolutely no way that any professional or a decent singer with an iota of self esteem would consider U/Ling anything under the present title. Karaoke singing is as Sanjkash Bhai says “FUN FOR ALL” and FOR ALL TO PARTICIPATE.
“HF KO SANGEET SE ROSHAN KAREIN”. I’ve experienced that this is also one aspect and beauty of music, in that, it unites people who otherwise probably would never meet due to personal music preferences.
All above titles are ACE, my contribution to title "Sangeet Karaoke Ki Mehfil"
CHANGE THE TITLE
CHANGE THE TITLE CHANGE THE TITLE ADMIN
Posted by: AzgarKhan Oct 3 2007, 11:02 PM
The newbies of this forum barely understands what the title means.
Hence I am in favor of changing the title.
It should be something like:
1) HF - Sa Re Ga Ma Pa
2) Hamare Singers
3) HF Singing Celebrities
etc etc
Posted by: OMkar Oct 3 2007, 11:32 PM
Hence I am in favor of changing the title.
It should be something like:
1) HF - Sa Re Ga Ma Pa
2) Hamare Singers
3) HF Singing Celebrities
etc etc
Cooooooollll names!!! Azgarbhai, Sanjay and Anwarda, thanks a lot for your supportive comments. I am glad to see that all of you feel the same like me...
Come on guys, we need to sort this thing out for all of us... We all share tremendous music with each other, lets make this place as we want it to be... We are here for all of us...
Posted by: IDOL Oct 4 2007, 01:54 AM
When i upload songs in my voice, i am soooooooo much ok with Sur main NAA sahi.............in case i am out of sur for being not professional yet, i can hide myself behind the title 
no change pleej
Posted by: OMkar Oct 4 2007, 02:08 AM
no change pleejIDOLji, I remember some people saying that THE GREAT LEGEND AMIT KUMAR used to be Besura in the beginning of his career. Ofc, I dont believe that, but anyone can any anything... KUCHH TO LOG KAHENGE, LOGON KA KAAM HAIN KEHNA... Bhool gaye kya??? Do you really think the current name is inspiring? Do we not need our forum to lot more inspiring and encouraging? I sincerely feel so...
Posted by: kcp Oct 4 2007, 10:41 AM
HamareSingers sounds fine to me
Posted by: HumTum Oct 4 2007, 10:54 AM
no change pleej
Sis you are so funny. But what you say is true --- that would be case with me too. 
Bhaag HT before Omkarbhai slams you.
Posted by: King Rafi Oct 4 2007, 03:26 PM
Thanks OMkar for initiating this discussion! I am 100% with you, and sometimes feel uncomfortable to post my songs here [i am generally in Sur though generally out of taal 
]
My suggestion for the title: HamaraForum Idols
Posted by: GURUFAN Oct 4 2007, 09:40 PM
Yes, Om I agree with you that it is uninspiring to people who have sur and taal etc. Therefore We must move over to something which is sort of non- controversial, something like Mehfil or anyone of the other suggested names. And for people like me and HT we must open another sub-forum called "Besur mein hi sahi.." he he he... 
Posted by: GURUFAN Oct 4 2007, 09:41 PM
Yes, Om I agree with you that it is uninspiring to people who have sur and taal etc. Therefore We must move over to something which is sort of non- controversial, something like Mehfil or anyone of the other suggested names. And for people like me and HT we must open another sub-forum called "Besur mein hi sahi.." ...
Posted by: OMkar Oct 4 2007, 09:44 PM
That was good one!!! Le HT, tera problem solve ho gaya!!! IDOLbehenji, aap bhi sun rahi hain na???
Posted by: HumTum Oct 4 2007, 10:09 PM
Despite all the dushmani between us brothers we still love each other.
Posted by: OMkar Oct 4 2007, 11:14 PM
Despite all the dushmani between us brothers we still love each other.
Nice to know that your Dushmani is very much in right SUR... Cheers dude!!
Posted by: IDOL Oct 4 2007, 11:22 PM
That was good one!!! Le HT, tera problem solve ho gaya!!! IDOLbehenji, aap bhi sun rahi hain na??? Nahe....Main nahe sun rahi hon.........
......well, i wun go for Besur Main hain sahi....since i will be an insult to my Singing instructor's job -- an Indian who did his Masters in Classic Music ......................im still stickin to Sur Main Na Sahi........Next year when i am out of Beginner level of Komal ,Shudh, and Akar...... i will vote for HF 's New Singers ....Posted by: OMkar Oct 4 2007, 11:39 PM
That was good one!!! Le HT, tera problem solve ho gaya!!! IDOLbehenji, aap bhi sun rahi hain na??? Nahe....Main nahe sun rahi hon.........
......well, i wun go for Besur Main hain sahi....since i will be an insult to my Singing instructor's job -- an Indian who did his Masters in Classic Music ......................im still stickin to Sur Main Na Sahi........Next year when i am out of Beginner level of Komal ,Shudh, and Akar...... i will vote for HF 's New Singers ....Masters in classic music??? Baap re baap!!
I think the name King Rafi and KCP suggest could be very right...
HamareSingers
HamaForums Idol
Both are good but what do think of 'HamareSingers Idol'?? Combo of two!!
Posted by: King Kishore Oct 4 2007, 11:55 PM
Yes Omkar, fully agree with you. Change of name would be definitely better. 
Posted by: noorie Oct 5 2007, 03:22 PM
How about Meri Awaaz Suno?
Noorie
Posted by: OMkar Oct 5 2007, 03:40 PM
Noorie
This is really really coooooolll title!!! Or maby be 'HF Ki Awaz Suno'
Posted by: HumTum Oct 5 2007, 03:44 PM
Omkarbhai it won't sound like "listen to my songs.." it would be more like listen to my GRIEVANCES (protests -- which is rampant here) (I wouldn't support this term 
)
The mention of words like melody, song .. should be present (IMO)
Posted by: OMkar Oct 5 2007, 03:53 PM
(I wouldn't support this term )The mention of words like melody, song .. should be present (IMO)
Well in that case 'meri awaz suno' is ok
But amongst all I liked
HamareSingers
Hamaraforum Idol
HamareSinger Idol
Posted by: OMkar Oct 7 2007, 04:04 PM
no change pleejAssuming your songs are BESUR, and if you upload your song in 'Sur Mein Na Sahi' section, you do not have inspiration to sing those songs in SUR. BUT if the name of the section for instance is 'HamareSinger Idol', and you upload the song which is Slightly out of Sur; you will still have the great inspiration to sing the further song in Sur...
'Sur Mein Na Sahi' would keep on underestimating you all the time. But 'HamareSinger Idol' would encourage you to sing better and better
Just a thought for you to re-think! And even for HumTum
Posted by: kcp Oct 7 2007, 05:09 PM
Good site for some of you budding singers
http://www.podioindia.com/
there is one title there too 
Posted by: King Rafi Oct 7 2007, 09:07 PM
I wonder whether Cyborg has read this thread. He has not yet commented anything!
Posted by: HumTum Oct 7 2007, 09:24 PM
no change pleejAssuming your songs are BESUR, and if you upload your song in 'Sur Mein Na Sahi' section, you do not have inspiration to sing those songs in SUR. BUT if the name of the section for instance is 'HamareSinger Idol', and you upload the song which is Slightly out of Sur; you will still have the great inspiration to sing the further song in Sur...
'Sur Mein Na Sahi' would keep on underestimating you all the time. But 'HamareSinger Idol' would encourage you to sing better and better
Just a thought for you to re-think! And even for HumTum
No I will stay out of it. 
May be we should just leave this to Cyborg sahab to decide to choose the title. One of us can write to him. What do you say Omkarbhai?
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 01:42 AM
http://www.podioindia.com/
there is one title there too
Yeah I liked the title 'Awaz Anjane' as well. But how would it sound as 'Hamare AwazAnjane'? Ofc I know my own voice
So may be, 'HF ke Awaz Anjane'??? Naa, I dont think that sounds good too... Kyon bhai log?Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 01:58 AM
So friends,
Lets move ahead... I would like to short list the following names as suggested you all.
1. HamareSingers Idol
2. HF - Sa Re Ga Ma Pa
3. HF Ke SurTaal
4. HamareGayak
My opinion on the above 3 names
1. HamareSingers Idol: Sounds like a copy of popular TV show but really very impressive.
2. HF - Sa Re Ga Ma Pa: Again sounds like a copy of popular TV show. But I did not like it much
3. HF Ke SurTaal: Sounds new and original. This also has a space for those who think they are BeSur.. So its really an ideal name
4. HamareGayak: This is simple and new name which also provides support for all levels of singers from Besur to Sureele singers.
My vote for title name is 4
HamareGayak
Friends, please give your own votes for the name our of these 4 names... Or is any more suggessions?
Posted by: King Rafi Oct 8 2007, 09:18 AM
Singers and Idol mean the same thing. So it shd be either
Hamare Singers or Hamare Idols
Hamare Gayak is also very good, though it sounds masculine to me, as there might be a word such as 'gayika' for females, in which case, gayak might mean you are restricting it only to males.
Posted by: HumTum Oct 8 2007, 10:02 AM
King Rafi bhai --- gaayak - singers (no gender). I just checked with Shabdkosh.
Singers
Your search matched 1 entry. [Show Transliteration]
singer n Play Sound
गानेवाला, गवैया, गायक
Posted by: King Rafi Oct 8 2007, 12:49 PM
Great, then I have no problem with Hamare gayak!
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 03:38 PM
Idol means singers?? I dont think so... To me the meaning it show in MS Word is 'Icon', 'Statue', etc etc... I am sure that is the meaning for sure.
And I really did not notice that Gayak does not cover female singers... So I dont think its a right name..
Sorry guys, but my vote is now for number 1
HamareSingers Idol
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 03:39 PM
Singers
Your search matched 1 entry. [Show Transliteration]
singer n Play Sound
गानेवाला, गवैया, गायक
But HT, 'Gayak' is not equal to 'Gayika'. So the word Gayak does not support female singers.
Posted by: HumTum Oct 8 2007, 03:45 PM
Omkarbhai --- I did a check on the dictionary brother. Please recheck..
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 06:01 PM
Wait wait, which word should I check? Accorrding to me here is what I mean by these words
Gayak = Male Singer
Gayika = Female Singer
Singer = Male/ Female Singer
Idol = Icon, Statue
Please confirm if I am right or missing something...
My Vote still stands for 1
HamareSingers Idol
Posted by: HumTum Oct 8 2007, 06:22 PM
Then Shabdgosh is giving us wrong information. 
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 06:37 PM
Then Shabdgosh is giving us wrong information. so whats ur vote??
KRbhai, you can still vote for 4 because I think when there are more than one singer and that consist male and female, then still we call such group as 'Gayak' only, I mean in that sense 'HamareGayak' should be right...
Am I right guys?
Posted by: HumTum Oct 8 2007, 06:42 PM
My vote? It would be vote of thanks. Frankly I haven't thought of a title bhai.
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 06:45 PM
It would be vote of thanks. Frankly I haven't thought of a title bhai. 
Main to bhool hi gaya that you dont even to change the current name!!! But still in case if they want to change, what should that be according to you??
Please at least now u can vote, right????
Posted by: ravikumarofindia Oct 8 2007, 06:54 PM
"Sur Mein Na Sahin"
The name implies a pessimistic view on new endeavors.
Omkar is correct. The sub forum title should be something which encourages more and more HF members to come and join the mehfil and let others know how they sound like.
It should have a name showing optimism towards fresh efforts and should also justify its purpose at the same time.
Many names already have been suggested here. I liked the "HF ki Mehfil" or "Meri Awaaz Suno" titles.
Let's see which one gets the final vote.
Posted by: bawlachintu Oct 8 2007, 07:01 PM
No probs OMkar. People here has developed this nasty habit of
forgetting names, intentionally.
By the way, what's your criteria of selecting candidates in your list?
Song uploads or other....................
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 07:08 PM
No probs OMkar. People here has developed this nasty habit of
forgetting names, intentionally.
By the way, what's your criteria of selecting candidates in your list?
Song uploads or other....................
Chintubhai, there is no criteria as such... I just requested the names as I remembered while typing that msg.. I am mainly active in Kishore Kumar, Amit Kumar, Marathi forums and I did not see much of your activity since I joined HF... So I might have forgotten name... People might have developed any habit but mine was surely unintentional.
2 basic questions:
1. Do you agree for the change of name of this forum 'Sur Meini Na Sahi'
2. If yes, then on given suggession what could be the right name? (You can also suggest a good and new name if you want)
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 07:10 PM
The name implies a pessimistic view on new endeavors.
Omkar is correct. The sub forum title should be something which encourages more and more HF members to come and join the mehfil and let others know how they sound like.
It should have a name showing optimism towards fresh efforts and should also justify its purpose at the same time.
Many names already have been suggested here. I liked the "HF ki Mehfil" or "Meri Awaaz Suno" titles.
Let's see which one gets the final vote.
So Ravi, did you not like any one from shorted 4? Guys, should we short list again or should we wait for some more suggesions before we short list for voting?
Posted by: bawlachintu Oct 8 2007, 07:11 PM
Ok. Charges withdrawn. By the way, your shoulder is used here to
shot those who do it intentionally.
Any name will do.
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 07:38 PM
Do you mean that current title 'Sur mein Na Sahi' is inspiring enough for those who are slightly out of Sur and comfortable enough for those who surely sing in Sur? Could you please help us understand how?
And Chintubhai, please please dont use my shoulder for your target hunting
I am fairly new member, and my shoulder is not strong enough to understand your intensions, lol
Posted by: mmuk2004 Oct 8 2007, 07:46 PM
What is the current short-list? May one add one more ...rather late in the day...
Mile sur hamara tumhara : Hamari Mehfil
That might appease the self-conscious non-singer enthusiasts and the serious singers who find the "sur mein na sahi" discouraging...
Meri awaaz suno is nice but some Rafi fans might object as it was the previous name of the Rafi group.
Posted by: bawlachintu Oct 8 2007, 07:50 PM
Do you mean that current title 'Sur mein Na Sahi' is inspiring enough for those who are slightly out of Sur and comfortable enough for those who surely sing in Sur? Could you please help us understand how?
And Chintubhai, please please dont use my shoulder for your target hunting
I am fairly new member, and my shoulder is not strong enough to understand your intensions, lolManne se na hi poochho to achcha hai. Mera title aisa hoga-
Besuri Bhadaas or Vocal Gymnastics
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Go for something unusual: "Geet sunoge huzoor.............."
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 07:57 PM
Do you mean that current title 'Sur mein Na Sahi' is inspiring enough for those who are slightly out of Sur and comfortable enough for those who surely sing in Sur? Could you please help us understand how?
And Chintubhai, please please dont use my shoulder for your target hunting
I am fairly new member, and my shoulder is not strong enough to understand your intensions, lolManne se na hi poochho to achcha hai. Mera title aisa hoga-
Besuri Bhadaas or Vocal Gymnastics
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Go for something unusual: "Geet sunoge huzoor.............."
Thank GOD, your name was not in my requesting list
Anyways thanks for ur LOVELY suggessions! Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 08:00 PM
Mile sur hamara tumhara : Hamari Mehfil
That might appease the self-conscious non-singer enthusiasts and the serious singers who find the "sur mein na sahi" discouraging...
Meri awaaz suno is nice but some Rafi fans might object as it was the previous name of the Rafi group.
Wow Madhavi, very nice name really
'Mile Sur Hamara Tumhara'
Ok guys, lets wait till next monday and then I will make a list of all the suggested names and then we will all vote. Is that alright?
Posted by: HumTum Oct 8 2007, 08:32 PM
Omkarbhai will then ask me to sing Mile Sur Humtum.
But I think Hamaare gaayak is great. (short and sweet)
Posted by: OMkar Oct 8 2007, 10:34 PM
But I think Hamaare gaayak is great.
(short and sweet) Haan Lekin Grammer Lafda Karta Hai!!
Really 'HamareGayak' is a cool name!
Posted by: sanjkash Oct 9 2007, 12:54 AM
OMkar,
This is taking long. Simplest is to start a Poll Options (facility available in HF within a forum).
Do this thing,
1) Start a "new topic" (available at the top right, click it) in "Sur Mein Na Sahi" forum.
2) Provide with a proper "Topic Title" (you will see this as you start a new topic) e.g. Poll for Name Change "Sur Mein Na Sahi".
3) Provide "Topic Description" (available just below "Topic Title").
4) "Poll Options" (you will have this option just below the title and description). Use this for providing name choice to members and let members do voting. Include as many New Names as you want in "Poll Options" and let the members vote for one week).
4) At the end of the week, count and provide the results and conclude with a name change.
Thats it.
Hope this helps. Try out "Poll Options".
Regards,
Sanjay
Posted by: deewani Oct 9 2007, 07:23 AM
Noorie
Perfect and that's what I voted for.
Posted by: King Rafi Oct 9 2007, 12:19 PM
Idol means singers?? I dont think so... To me the meaning it show in MS Word is 'Icon', 'Statue', etc etc... I am sure that is the meaning for sure.
...1
HamareSingers Idol
Well OMkarbhai,
I didn't mean that 'Idol' per se means 'singers', but its meaning changes with the environment it is used in. In the context of cricket, it means cricketing idols and in the context of music, it is the singers who are the idols. That is why I am uncomfortable with the usage of both Singers and Idols in the same phrase.
It is hard to choose between Hamare Idols and Hamare Gayak. If you hold a gun on my head, I'll choose the former simply because it is mine
New options:
1. Hamari Awaaz Suno (mixture of HF and Meri awaax suno)
2. Geet Gata Chal
3. Gata Rahe Mera Dil
Posted by: Binod Oct 14 2007, 10:04 AM
Friends:
I think we must focus on the activities rather than promoting individuals.
So "Geet," "Gana," "Mehfil," "Gayaki," "Sureeli ChhedChhad," "Manch," "SaReGaMaPa," "Singing/Glee Club," etc. would be preferable to "Gayak," "Singers," "Idols," etc.
Thanks.
Binod
Posted by: OMkar Oct 14 2007, 04:00 PM
I think we must focus on the activities rather than promoting individuals.
So "Geet," "Gana," "Mehfil," "Gayaki," "Sureeli ChhedChhad," "Manch," "SaReGaMaPa," "Singing/Glee Club," etc. would be preferable to "Gayak," "Singers," "Idols," etc.
Thanks.
Binod
Binodbhai, I think u misunderstood us here. We not at all promoting any individual. We are just not comfortable with the current forum title. To us, 'Sur Mein Na Sahi' = Besure Hi Sahi; and many of us deny the fact. As I mentioned in my first post, I never found this title to post my songs under this name. And hence we want the name to be changed and make it comfortable to all of us. Hope this helps you clear ur mind!
Posted by: HumTum Oct 14 2007, 04:05 PM
or any site. Are we?
Posted by: King Rafi Oct 14 2007, 05:05 PM
He means, when we use terms like Singers, gayak or Idol, the focus is on the singers. He wants it the focus on the activity. So prefers mehfil, gaane, etc.
I actually feel the opposite. If we focus on the singers, they will at least feel happy abt it and might get inspired to do some activity.
Posted by: azad Oct 14 2007, 05:21 PM
What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet. What say Romeo (HT) ...........................
Posted by: OMkar Oct 14 2007, 08:07 PM
or any site. Are we?
Any site? HT, I dont think I have ever promoted any other site here.. Rather I tell all my friends (personal and internet) to join HF as it is wonderful place to enjoy music!
Or is it eSnips? But I guess eSnips is somehow like Orkut and youtube.. And if eSnips was not allowed, HF wouldn't have allowed to post eSnips songs by setting some BB codes??
So I really donno why u feel that!!
Posted by: OMkar Oct 14 2007, 08:08 PM
I actually feel the opposite. If we focus on the singers, they will at least feel happy abt it and might get inspired to do some activity.
Alright KRbhai, whatever it is! Lets now see the results of poll! We all like almost all the names; at least I like all the names we suggested here!!!
And I vote for the one I like the MOST
Posted by: OMkar Oct 14 2007, 08:10 PM
yeah ofc, Naam mein kya rakha hai!!! But we can not consider Hitler as icon of lover and Majnu as an icon of dictator!
Posted by: HumTum Oct 14 2007, 09:51 PM
Azadbhai you mean to say we are going to have many roses singing for us here?
That would be lovely. Posted by: HumTum Oct 14 2007, 09:53 PM
or any site. Are we?
Any site? HT, I dont think I have ever promoted any other site here.. Rather I tell all my friends (personal and internet) to join HF as it is wonderful place to enjoy music!
Or is it eSnips? But I guess eSnips is somehow like Orkut and youtube.. And if eSnips was not allowed, HF wouldn't have allowed to post eSnips songs by setting some BB codes??
So I really donno why u feel that!!
The word 'promote' stirred the doubt in my mind. I was just double checking with the guidelines and I found that mentioning sites names to check out, can also spell trouble.
Posted by: HumTum Oct 14 2007, 09:55 PM
yeah ofc, Naam mein kya rakha hai!!! But we can not consider Hitler as icon of lover and Majnu as an icon of dictator!
Anything is possible Omkarbhai. There is a Majnu in every dictator and there is a dictator in every Majnu.
Posted by: OMkar Oct 14 2007, 10:13 PM
yeah ofc, Naam mein kya rakha hai!!! But we can not consider Hitler as icon of lover and Majnu as an icon of dictator!
Anything is possible Omkarbhai. There is a Majnu in every dictator and there is a dictator in every Majnu.
Arey yaar HT, Tu Baal Ki Khaal Mat Nikaal Yaar!!
Posted by: OMkar Oct 14 2007, 10:16 PM
or any site. Are we?
Any site? HT, I dont think I have ever promoted any other site here.. Rather I tell all my friends (personal and internet) to join HF as it is wonderful place to enjoy music!
Or is it eSnips? But I guess eSnips is somehow like Orkut and youtube.. And if eSnips was not allowed, HF wouldn't have allowed to post eSnips songs by setting some BB codes??
So I really donno why u feel that!!
The word 'promote' stirred the doubt in my mind. I was just double checking with the guidelines and I found that mentioning sites names to check out, can also spell trouble.
Did I mention any site name for anything???
Mentining eSnips for posting the songs especially for those who has problem with downloading the songs due to their ratios, was the main idea in case of eSnips!! And in that case even when someone post a song on any other external site is violation of rules?? CAAANFUSSS again!! Posted by: HumTum Oct 14 2007, 10:25 PM
Not you. I just remembered reading that word 'promote' and went to check the details bhai. No confusion --- let us wait for the poll results. --- This is like waiting for the election results.
No I do not think so.
If so by now I would have been history. Posted by: OMkar Oct 14 2007, 11:20 PM
Not you. I just remembered reading that word 'promote' and went to check the details bhai. No confusion --- let us wait for the poll results. --- This is like waiting for the election results. No I do not think so.
If so by now I would have been history. Haan yaar!!! waiting for Monday!! Monday is the last date, right?? Dekh main phir bhool gaya!!
Posted by: azad Oct 15 2007, 04:34 AM
Azadbhai you mean to say we are going to have many roses singing for us here?
That would be lovely. Posted by: Binod Oct 15 2007, 07:19 AM
Friends:
Perhaps I did not or could not articulate my thoughts more properly. When we focus on persons, I agree that it would encourage them. On the flip side, however, it would inevitably result in embarassing inter-singer comparisons and the more diffident and less accomplished singers, who will actually be needing more of the encouragement, would be quietly making their ignominious exits, and the more accomplished singers, who really do not need to be told that they are good as they must have been told umpteen times even before they became HF members, would continue to dominate the scene. It is like helping the rich get richer through social policies. So instead of the subforum being a place where budding talents develops, it becomes an entertainment ground where alternative voices take over.
But in my opinion there are many places where aspiring voices can be tested. However, there are few places where mistakes are tolerated and feedback is provided freely and in an ungrudging manner to rookie singers. This does not mean that we should confine ourselves to only neophyte singers at the cost of some more promising singers. All I have said is that this subforum must be more of a place of learning rather than an entertainment center. Here we could even discuss chords, notations, taals/beats, and ragas of HF songs.
We have the legends which provide us superb quality entertainment elsewhere in HF. We do not need any poorer replication here. Activity focus, on the other hand, would level the playing field more for the lesser accomplished singers. Just my stray thoughts. You do not have to agree with them.
Thanks.
Binod.
Posted by: OMkar Oct 15 2007, 01:52 PM
Perhaps I did not or could not articulate my thoughts more properly. When we focus on persons, I agree that it would encourage them. On the flip side, however, it would inevitably result in embarassing inter-singer comparisons and the more diffident and less accomplished singers, who will actually be needing more of the encouragement, would be quietly making their ignominious exits, and the more accomplished singers, who really do not need to be told that they are good as they must have been told umpteen times even before they became HF members, would continue to dominate the scene. It is like helping the rich get richer through social policies. So instead of the subforum being a place where budding talents develops, it becomes an entertainment ground where alternative voices take over.
But in my opinion there are many places where aspiring voices can be tested. However, there are few places where mistakes are tolerated and feedback is provided freely and in an ungrudging manner to rookie singers. This does not mean that we should confine ourselves to only neophyte singers at the cost of some more promising singers. All I have said is that this subforum must be more of a place of learning rather than an entertainment center. Here we could even discuss chords, notations, taals/beats, and ragas of HF songs.
We have the legends which provide us superb quality entertainment elsewhere in HF. We do not need any poorer replication here. Activity focus, on the other hand, would level the playing field more for the lesser accomplished singers. Just my stray thoughts. You do not have to agree with them.
Thanks.
Binod.
And also in this forum, we would surely discuss on how to do the riyaaz, how to put emotions in the songs, chords, sur, taal, waves in the voice, notations, song recordings, share karaokes etc. I would love see ur contributions on such topics. So yes, this is not just a forum where one/ set of singers is/are are going to sing and dominate others.
Any other thoughts?
Posted by: Binod Oct 16 2007, 10:30 AM
That is the spirit we want here as expressed by you Omkar Bhai. Change is something which most us desire. But let us not have a change which needs to be changed the very next day. So instead of rushing to decisions, it is always better to discuss more and if there is nothing more to discuss then wait a few days to ponder over new possibilities and incubate new ideas. So a thorough brainstorming is often desirable even if we come up with no better idea than the first idea that came to our minds. Then only will we feel that we did our homework properly.
People tend to gloss over debates and wind up discussion to move over to polls. Polls must, however, come only at the last stage, when it becomes too difficult to decide on our choice as the alternatives are too close to one another or so dissimilar that they are mirror images of one another. Sometimes in the discussion phase we have a clearly winning proposal and other options are not even worth examining. In such cases, we may not even need a poll. Please refer to my arguments against polls when one was conducted some months back to revisit the controversy about bitrates of uploads.
For me polls are like the football game that was decided on the basis of a disappointing plenty shootout. They rob me of the pleasure of crafting and presenting my arguments. If at all a poll is conducted competing proposals must be very much short listed. Otherwise, the voter will be greatly confused and may even vote with an undecided frame of mind. The list must not have similar items in the initial screening phase. For example do not have a list that says: crooners, singers, kala kendra, idols, vocal calisthenics, vocalists, listening, singing, gayaki, evaluation, feedback, mehfil, sharing, nightingales, exchanging, forum, manch, suno, riyaaz, gayaks, saregamapa, sur mandir, sur milan, manoranjan, artists, teaching & developing, guru kul, entertainment. I would preferably sort out the above list into three broad categories
Category I [vocalists, artists, composers, instrumentalists, singers, gayaks, idols, crooners, nightingales]
Category II [musical shrine, kala kendra, sur mandir, mehfil, manch, forum, guru kul]
Category III [vocal calisthenics, listening, evaluation, sharing, exchanging, sur milan, singing, crooning, feedback, saregamapa, manoranjan, entertainment, suno, riyaaz, chhedchhad].
Now each category must appropriately named or labeled. For example:
Category I [Performers]
Category II [Institution/Academy/Academe]
Category III [Activities/Engagements]
These are only examples. People can come up with better categories or even more categories. For example Category III can be subdivided into: A) Learning, B) Teaching, C) Performing, D) Entertaining, E) Communicating.
First there must be a poll to decide on what Category we would like to focus on. After this is decided we must decide whether we want a broad category name or whether we would like to examine at the subcategory level or individual items within the categories. Then we must choose an appropriate name for the final choice we made. Sometimes we can combine the categories and come up with for example the name “the Hamara Forum of Performing Artists.” This has all three categories encompassed within itself.
If we choose any of vocalists, gayaks, singers, crooners, or nightingales we would miss out the others. True we may not have many composers and lyricists but we do have a quite number of potential instrumentalists. We surely would not want to exclude them. Instead we could use more encompassing names such as “artists" or “performers.” If we feel that these names are too general we could add adjectives such as “musical.”
Just some more of my stray thoughts. Thanks for your patience.
Binod.
Posted by: OMkar Oct 16 2007, 02:53 PM
People tend to gloss over debates and wind up discussion to move over to polls. Polls must, however, come only at the last stage, when it becomes too difficult to decide on our choice as the alternatives are too close to one another or so dissimilar that they are mirror images of one another. Sometimes in the discussion phase we have a clearly winning proposal and other options are not even worth examining. In such cases, we may not even need a poll. Please refer to my arguments against polls when one was conducted some months back to revisit the controversy about bitrates of uploads.
For me polls are like the football game that was decided on the basis of a disappointing plenty shootout. They rob me of the pleasure of crafting and presenting my arguments. If at all a poll is conducted competing proposals must be very much short listed. Otherwise, the voter will be greatly confused and may even vote with an undecided frame of mind. The list must not have similar items in the initial screening phase. For example do not have a list that says: crooners, singers, kala kendra, idols, vocal calisthenics, vocalists, listening, singing, gayaki, evaluation, feedback, mehfil, sharing, nightingales, exchanging, forum, manch, suno, riyaaz, gayaks, saregamapa, sur mandir, sur milan, manoranjan, artists, teaching & developing, guru kul, entertainment. I would preferably sort out the above list into three broad categories
Category I [vocalists, artists, composers, instrumentalists, singers, gayaks, idols, crooners, nightingales]
Category II [musical shrine, kala kendra, sur mandir, mehfil, manch, forum, guru kul]
Category III [vocal calisthenics, listening, evaluation, sharing, exchanging, sur milan, singing, crooning, feedback, saregamapa, manoranjan, entertainment, suno, riyaaz, chhedchhad].
Now each category must appropriately named or labeled. For example:
Category I [Performers]
Category II [Institution/Academy/Academe]
Category III [Activities/Engagements]
These are only examples. People can come up with better categories or even more categories. For example Category III can be subdivided into: A) Learning,
Teaching, C) Performing, D) Entertaining, E) Communicating.First there must be a poll to decide on what Category we would like to focus on. After this is decided we must decide whether we want a broad category name or whether we would like to examine at the subcategory level or individual items within the categories. Then we must choose an appropriate name for the final choice we made. Sometimes we can combine the categories and come up with for example the name "the Hamara Forum of Performing Artists." This has all three categories encompassed within itself.
If we choose any of vocalists, gayaks, singers, crooners, or nightingales we would miss out the others. True we may not have many composers and lyricists but we do have a quite number of potential instrumentalists. We surely would not want to exclude them. Instead we could use more encompassing names such as "artists" or "performers." If we feel that these names are too general we could add adjectives such as "musical."
Just some more of my stray thoughts. Thanks for your patience.
Binod.
OMG, this is like a preparation for a completely dedicated web-site for upcoming singers or singing talent hunt. Development is a gradual process. And I think all these details can be used for the further development of this forum.
Posted by: HumTum Oct 16 2007, 04:33 PM
Omkarbhai --- Most of us are beginners here. Some of us do not even know the nuances of singing or playing an instrument. Let us take a step at a time. Are we aiming for any target/goal here? I do not think so. It is basically an attempt to bring us together to be a part of a small gathering, who love to sing and enjoy discussing the music and possiblities in improving ourselves vis-a-vis in handling the singing or playing any instrument.
My suggestion would be, let it be a simple start. There is always room for improvement and changes, that can be added as and when the need arises. Let us not take big steps which may cause an hurdle for those who are shy to participate. Reaching out to some hidden talent can be one of the possible aims (i.e., if we are angling for any set targets).
Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: OMkar Oct 16 2007, 08:58 PM
My suggestion would be, let it be a simple start. There is always room for improvement and changes, that can be added as and when the need arises. Let us not take big steps which may cause an hurdle for those who are shy to participate. Reaching out to some hidden talent can be one of the possible aims (i.e., if we are angling for any set targets).
Just my 2 cents.
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