What is the world coming to!, From Robin Options

[Pradeep]

Dear Pradeep,

Someone told me about this new group, named the 'Rafi Hater's Group'. I went over there and was relieved to see that there are currently only two other individuals who have joined the originator and thankfully, none of them has fallen so low as to make an actual post, even with a fake e-mail id.

The individual claims the right of free speech and estimates that there may be 10,000 of his/her type in India. Well, there are more than 10,000 donkeys in India too, who also express their right of free speech. With the right of free speech comes the greater responsibility of using that right wisely. Aadmi aur gadhe mein koi to fark hona chahiye.

What is the world coming to! It is sad to see that someone would claim to like Hindi film music and yet have such hatred for one of its most beloved artists.

The person also displays gross ignorance by stating that Rafi did not matter to Salil Chaudhary or R.D. Burman. We need not belabor the detail but at least a few of Salil's movies had a Rafi song at their center and the rocket of RDB's career arose with the enormous thrust of Rafi's voice. Before there was Kishore, there was Teesri Manzil.

Indifference against Rafi I can understand, a preference for Kishore Kumar I can also understand, but to go out and create a group with an explict objective of denigrating the great singer, even as infantile mischief, is indeed depraved.

I can only hope that I do not personally or impersonally (via the Web) know any of the three names that are currently members.

Engaging in heated debates about our favorite artists, trading barbs, even getting a bit personal at times is somewhat comprehensible. For most of the time at least, this is directed inwards, intended towards rooting for one's favorites.

But this outbound vitriol, against a person like Rafi, is disgusting. I feel sorry for the person who can think this way.

Perhaps Mohammed Rafi's benign and forgiving spirit will come to him (or her) and explain that this was indeed a shameful thing to do.

If any of these people have the courage to step out of the shadows and talk to me, I can be found at robinbhat2000@yahoo.com. I am waiting.

Please convey this note to MAS.

Regards...Robin

[Pradeep]

Dear Robin,

Its really sad that RH creaters or co-founders have stooped so low. I wonder what has Rafi done to them. Rafi has always been exemplary and emblematic in all that he has done - professionally and personally. Nobody even media was unable to raise a finger over Rafi on anything unethical that is said and done. Its really crazy and sad that these guys have degraded themselves.



Pradeep

[zashakeel]

[Pradeep]

[iqbal]

Is it ZAShakeel stating this group, in the earlier posts he had sent I thought he too was a Rafi fan.

Iqbal

[zashakeel]

[iqbal]

So was it not you who started the group ?

Regards
Iqbal

[zashakeel]

[Pradeep]

[iqbal]

Hi Shakeel,
Thanks for making things clear and apologies for not going thorugh all the messages.

Main Raahee Anjaan Raahon Ka
O Yaaron Mera Naam Anjaana

OR

Main Jat Yamla Pagla Diwaanaaaaaaaaaa



LOL

Regards
Iqbal

[Chitralekha]

[Pradeep]

[Sharad]

Chitralekha ji, Pradeep ji, Shakeel ji everyone

This Meghal name i saw on pancham yahoo group
Now i remember for sure. He is or was a member of the RDB group at yahoo
and even there he said some things about Rafi like....
Rafi is overrated and he is maybe comparable to Kumar Sanu
and then he got blasted by other people for making this ludicrous statement

aah yes it's coming back
hmm maybe i can find that piece

i hope i rememberd the last name correctly

Sharad

[Sharad]

Alright Folks, after some info digging
here is what I found...

quote

From: "Meghal Pandya" <meghal@r..
Date: Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Pancham] Mausam

Hi Jui

I do not want to make my opinions about Rafi public, or else I am sure I will be
kicked out of this group ()

But in nutshell, I belive (And so do many of my friends - and I hope many others
around the world) that he was an overrated singer just like Kumar Sanu. Or in
words of Ajit, a "pedestrian" or a "commoners" singer. For me, Manna Dey better
suits my tastes.

I cannot explain in details, but I have to show you personally the nuances,
which makes me make above statement. It is not possible to describe in words.

fyi, "Dil Dhoondhta Hai" was sung, bothy happy and sad version, by Bhupinder

Meghal

end Q

Dekh Lijiye

Sharad

[rehman_mh]

Hi Mr. Robin,

Yes I am also bit anger to see your post that there is thousand of donkeys out there who does not know the what is the music is all about.

You are abosolutely right, there is RD+RAFI and Teesri Manjil before there ws Kishore Kumar. In terms of getting more songs from MD from mid 70s to mid 80s which is hardly 10 years and I beleive it does not matter at all to compare with Rafi Sahab's 30 + long years fine and dedicated contribution to the Hindi Film Industry. But, one thing why these people forgets that, when ever there was a tough song even in 70s, MD often had to call Rafi to sing that song such as Hathi Mera Sathi song " NAFRAT KI DUNIYA CHORE KE" and more same also for Amitabh Film like " NASEEB" who can forget that "JHON JANI JANARDAN" & CHAL MEER BHAI TERE HAT JHORTA HOO" and film MUKADDAR KA SIKANDA's last few lines of "O MUKADDAR KA SIKANDER" in late 70s?? all these songs are so pupular and still people love to hear again and again.

KK got more break due to Rajesh Kanna and Amitabh perticularly used KK more for their songs and reason I don't know.. it is may be they were biased to KK or may be Rafi Sahab has reduced to singing after mid 70s.

You know? I have a qeustion to those folks, why RAFI has sung the RAJESH KANNAN song for HATI MERA SHATI? Why MD thought that KK will not be fit for that song? b'coz "NAFRAT KI DUNIYA CHORE KE" song over shadowed KK's "CHAL CHAL MERA HAATI"

So, there was no question and doubt that RAFI was a kind of singer who can sing anything with ease and perfection that the audience has felt that HERO is singing the song himself and surely KK or other singer does not had that ability to modify their voice to fit with each of the individual here.

Any way, I fee sorry for them as they do not know the facts and figures and not going in to details to say something....

thnx.
Rehman