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Posted by: eskayes Feb 25 2007, 08:22 PM

Mr. India (1987) had a few songs by Guru....Kaate Nahin Katate...Karte Hain Pyar Mr. India Se....and, Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai....

According to VN's book, there is a slower version in Guru's voice of the song Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai, which starts with Khelte Khelte Ek Titli....

I have the video of this movie and this slower version is actually sung by, i think, Shabbir Kumar.....

So whats the truth?....Is VN wrong in mentioning this as Guru's song (his book is otherwise very accurate)??? Or is it that it was later dubbed in Shabbir's voice since Guru would not have been alive for any rerecording, if done???

Can someone throw some light on it?

Posted by: raga_tala Feb 25 2007, 09:32 PM

QUOTE(eskayes @ Feb 25 2007, 08:52 AM) *

Mr. India (1987) had a few songs by Guru....Kaate Nahin Katate...Karte Hain Pyar Mr. India Se....and, Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai....

According to VN's book, there is a slower version in Guru's voice of the song Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai, which starts with Khelte Khelte Ek Titli....

I have the video of this movie and this slower version is actually sung by, i think, Shabbir Kumar.....

So whats the truth?....Is VN wrong in mentioning this as Guru's song (his book is otherwise very accurate)??? Or is it that it was later dubbed in Shabbir's voice since Guru would not have been alive for any rerecording, if done???

Can someone throw some light on it?



In the film, Shabbir Kumar did sing the song starting with "khelte khelte ek titli na jaane kahan kho gaye" (if you watched the movie, it's the funeral of that girl who dies in the amusement park bomb blast). From what I heard here, Guru did sing the same sad version, but it was not placed in the film.

Guru would still be alive to record because Guru died in October of 1987, while the film was released on May 1987. Therefore, the songs must have been recorded a year earlier. I think for a film to have all those special effects, it would have at least taken them a year.

Posted by: eskayes Feb 25 2007, 11:54 PM

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 25 2007, 10:32 PM) *


In the film, Shabbir Kumar did sing the song starting with "khelte khelte ek titli na jaane kahan kho gaye" (if you watched the movie, it's the funeral of that girl who dies in the amusement park bomb blast). From what I heard here, Guru did sing the same sad version, but it was not placed in the film.

Guru would still be alive to record because Guru died in October of 1987, while the film was released on May 1987. Therefore, the songs must have been recorded a year earlier. I think for a film to have all those special effects, it would have at least taken them a year.


Thanks Raga_tala for the insight into it...yes, you are right that songs would generally get recorded almost a year ahead of the release of the movie....

So, Guru did sing this song....i am little perplexed as to why LP would have preferred to keep Shabbir's slow version instead of Guru's...or it must have been the producer/Director who decided....whoever....perplexed not because i have anything against Shabbir...but Kishore perhaps was greatest at singing the slower ones....his pristine clear voice in hushed tone would just grip a listener with the emotions of the situation like none other....LP themselves have had Guru sing slower ones so often....anyways, strange are the ways sometimes....

I would to love hear Guru's version of the slow version of this song...Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai (Slow).....can someone upload this one please?


Posted by: OMkar Feb 26 2007, 12:11 AM

QUOTE(eskayes @ Feb 25 2007, 11:54 PM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 25 2007, 10:32 PM) *


In the film, Shabbir Kumar did sing the song starting with "khelte khelte ek titli na jaane kahan kho gaye" (if you watched the movie, it's the funeral of that girl who dies in the amusement park bomb blast). From what I heard here, Guru did sing the same sad version, but it was not placed in the film.

Guru would still be alive to record because Guru died in October of 1987, while the film was released on May 1987. Therefore, the songs must have been recorded a year earlier. I think for a film to have all those special effects, it would have at least taken them a year.


Thanks Raga_tala for the insight into it...yes, you are right that songs would generally get recorded almost a year ahead of the release of the movie....

So, Guru did sing this song....i am little perplexed as to why LP would have preferred to keep Shabbir's slow version instead of Guru's...or it must have been the producer/Director who decided....whoever....perplexed not because i have anything against Shabbir...but Kishore perhaps was greatest at singing the slower ones....his pristine clear voice in hushed tone would just grip a listener with the emotions of the situation like none other....LP themselves have had Guru sing slower ones so often....anyways, strange are the ways sometimes....

I would to love hear Guru's version of the slow version of this song...Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai (Slow).....can someone upload this one please?

I didn't know that it was also sung by Shabbir Kumar.. Here is the version of Kishoreda.. Recording quality is not so good.. But still ok, not too bad as well.. Not BMQ, I guess biggrin.gif @160 kbps from a dubbed cassette...

Posted by: eskayes Feb 26 2007, 12:20 AM

QUOTE(OMkar @ Feb 26 2007, 01:11 AM) *

QUOTE(eskayes @ Feb 25 2007, 11:54 PM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 25 2007, 10:32 PM) *


In the film, Shabbir Kumar did sing the song starting with "khelte khelte ek titli na jaane kahan kho gaye" (if you watched the movie, it's the funeral of that girl who dies in the amusement park bomb blast). From what I heard here, Guru did sing the same sad version, but it was not placed in the film.

Guru would still be alive to record because Guru died in October of 1987, while the film was released on May 1987. Therefore, the songs must have been recorded a year earlier. I think for a film to have all those special effects, it would have at least taken them a year.


Thanks Raga_tala for the insight into it...yes, you are right that songs would generally get recorded almost a year ahead of the release of the movie....

So, Guru did sing this song....i am little perplexed as to why LP would have preferred to keep Shabbir's slow version instead of Guru's...or it must have been the producer/Director who decided....whoever....perplexed not because i have anything against Shabbir...but Kishore perhaps was greatest at singing the slower ones....his pristine clear voice in hushed tone would just grip a listener with the emotions of the situation like none other....LP themselves have had Guru sing slower ones so often....anyways, strange are the ways sometimes....

I would to love hear Guru's version of the slow version of this song...Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai (Slow).....can someone upload this one please?

I didn't know that it was also sung by Shabbir Kumar.. Here is the version of Kishoreda.. Recording quality is not so good.. But still ok, not too bad as well.. Not BMQ, I guess biggrin.gif @160 kbps from a dubbed cassette...


Thanks a lot Omkar....would love to hear this one....let me put up the movie version here, which of course is by Shabbir...i am posting this one here in this sub-forum just for comparison sake...


Posted by: OMkar Feb 26 2007, 12:29 AM

QUOTE(eskayes @ Feb 26 2007, 12:20 AM) *

QUOTE(OMkar @ Feb 26 2007, 01:11 AM) *

QUOTE(eskayes @ Feb 25 2007, 11:54 PM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 25 2007, 10:32 PM) *


In the film, Shabbir Kumar did sing the song starting with "khelte khelte ek titli na jaane kahan kho gaye" (if you watched the movie, it's the funeral of that girl who dies in the amusement park bomb blast). From what I heard here, Guru did sing the same sad version, but it was not placed in the film.

Guru would still be alive to record because Guru died in October of 1987, while the film was released on May 1987. Therefore, the songs must have been recorded a year earlier. I think for a film to have all those special effects, it would have at least taken them a year.


Thanks Raga_tala for the insight into it...yes, you are right that songs would generally get recorded almost a year ahead of the release of the movie....

So, Guru did sing this song....i am little perplexed as to why LP would have preferred to keep Shabbir's slow version instead of Guru's...or it must have been the producer/Director who decided....whoever....perplexed not because i have anything against Shabbir...but Kishore perhaps was greatest at singing the slower ones....his pristine clear voice in hushed tone would just grip a listener with the emotions of the situation like none other....LP themselves have had Guru sing slower ones so often....anyways, strange are the ways sometimes....

I would to love hear Guru's version of the slow version of this song...Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai (Slow).....can someone upload this one please?

I didn't know that it was also sung by Shabbir Kumar.. Here is the version of Kishoreda.. Recording quality is not so good.. But still ok, not too bad as well.. Not BMQ, I guess biggrin.gif @160 kbps from a dubbed cassette...


Thanks a lot Omkar....would love to hear this one....let me put up the movie version here, which of course is by Shabbir...i am posting this one here in this sub-forum just for comparison sake...

Comparison??? Kishoreda with Shabbir Kumar?? With all due respect to Shabbir Kumar's talent, but I dont think any singer can ever be compared with Kishoreda's expression in any song.. Just my opinion..

Posted by: OMkar Feb 26 2007, 12:36 AM

Hey,, But really Shabbir has sung this song very so much of emotions.... Very very good... But if u notice, there is a slight change in the lyrics. in both songs..

Kishore: Khelte khelte... En nanhi kiran kyon andhere mein YUN so gayi

Shabbir: Ek nanhi kiran kyon andhere mein HAI so gayi!!!

Posted by: eskayes Feb 26 2007, 12:37 AM

QUOTE(OMkar @ Feb 26 2007, 01:29 AM) *


Comparison??? Kishoreda with Shabbir Kumar?? With all due respect to Shabbir Kumar's talent, but I dont think any singer can ever be compared with Kishoreda's expression in any song.. Just my opinion..


well Omkar, you have said what most others here would have on their minds...i fully subscribe to your opinion....i just listened to the version you have uploaded.....wonder why would one not use this one instead of one which was included in the movie...

Posted by: OMkar Feb 26 2007, 12:40 AM

QUOTE(eskayes @ Feb 26 2007, 12:37 AM) *

QUOTE(OMkar @ Feb 26 2007, 01:29 AM) *


Comparison??? Kishoreda with Shabbir Kumar?? With all due respect to Shabbir Kumar's talent, but I dont think any singer can ever be compared with Kishoreda's expression in any song.. Just my opinion..


well Omkar, you have said what most others here would have on their minds...i fully subscribe to your opinion....i just listened to the version you have uploaded.....wonder why would one not use this one instead of one which was included in the movie...

Hey I have no idea why u say that because I remember when I saw this movie... In the movie I heard this version sung by Kishoreda only... I NEVER knew that it was ever sung by Shabbir Kumar...

Posted by: eskayes Feb 26 2007, 12:44 AM

QUOTE(OMkar @ Feb 26 2007, 01:36 AM) *

Hey,, But really Shabbir has sung this song very so much of emotions.... Very very good... But if u notice, there is a slight change in the lyrics. in both songs..

Kishore: Khelte khelte... En nanhi kiran kyon andhere mein YUN so gayi

Shabbir: Ek nanhi kiran kyon andhere mein HAI so gayi!!!


You are right about the difference of "Yun" and "Hai"....would this difference in lyrics be the cause for re-recording?...and may be Guru was n't available for re-recording at that time, when it was done...

Infact Shabbir has sung it well too...but one could easily notice the difference in clarity and diction of Guru besides resonating manner in which his voice just grips the listener...

Posted by: eskayes Feb 26 2007, 12:51 AM

QUOTE(OMkar @ Feb 26 2007, 01:40 AM) *


Hey I have no idea why u say that because I remember when I saw this movie... In the movie I heard this version sung by Kishoreda only... I NEVER knew that it was ever sung by Shabbir Kumar...


So that explains it now....intially Guru's voice would have been in the movie, when released....later it was dubbed by Shabbir and re-released in the movie...may be some prints still have Guru's voice....

Strange thing is that VN has not made any qualifying remarks against this version of the song implying this was always supposed to be only Guru's song....i was myself surprised when i listened to it in the video....what i have uploaded is from the video of the movie....and i was even more surprised because male songs in the movie have been sung by Guru...so why a small clip by another singer....

As it seems to transpire, Shabbir's dubbed version was used later in the movie, perhaps after the death of Guru.....now the moot question is, why did LP not use Amit Kumar for this small piece...since his voice would have been closest to Guru....

Posted by: OMkar Feb 26 2007, 12:51 AM

QUOTE(eskayes @ Feb 26 2007, 12:44 AM) *

QUOTE(OMkar @ Feb 26 2007, 01:36 AM) *

Hey,, But really Shabbir has sung this song very so much of emotions.... Very very good... But if u notice, there is a slight change in the lyrics. in both songs..

Kishore: Khelte khelte... En nanhi kiran kyon andhere mein YUN so gayi

Shabbir: Ek nanhi kiran kyon andhere mein HAI so gayi!!!


You are right about the difference of "Yun" and "Hai"....would this difference in lyrics be the cause for re-recording?...and may be Guru was n't available for re-recording at that time, when it was done...

Infact Shabbir has sung it well too...but one could easily notice the difference in clarity and diction of Guru besides resonating manner in which his voice just grips the listener...

Yeah thats why we all (Whole Indian Film Music Industry) call him GURU... He was a definitely a KING.. Anyways.. I have seen many cases where Kishoreda's own voice was not used in the movie but the person who dubbed that song in the begining.. I remember they (music directors) use to get the songs recorded in new singer's voice then send the cassette to Kishoreda.. Then Kishoreda use to go to the studio and re-record the song in his own voice..

Posted by: GURUFAN Feb 26 2007, 04:08 AM

Thanks SKS and OMkar for this lovely discussion..
very informative.

Posted by: azad Feb 26 2007, 04:55 AM

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.

Posted by: raga_tala Feb 26 2007, 06:03 AM

QUOTE(azad @ Feb 25 2007, 05:25 PM) *

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.



Thank you for the upload of Guru's version!

Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Regarding Azad's question, there are two slow versions:

1) Kavita Krishnamurthi with children chorus singing when Anil Kapoor was feeling sad that he failed and could not get food for the kids. Kavita K. was picturized on a little girl.

2) the sad version we discussed on this thread.

Speaking of Mr. India, do you think Amit Kumar will end up singing on Mr. India 2?


Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 06:17 AM

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 26 2007, 08:33 AM) *

QUOTE(azad @ Feb 25 2007, 05:25 PM) *

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.



Thank you for the upload of Guru's version!

Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Regarding Azad's question, there are two slow versions:

1) Kavita Krishnamurthi with children chorus singing when Anil Kapoor was feeling sad that he failed and could not get food for the kids. Kavita K. was picturized on a little girl.

2) the sad version we discussed on this thread.

Speaking of Mr. India, do you think Amit Kumar will end up singing on Mr. India 2?


Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 06:25 AM

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 26 2007, 08:47 AM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 26 2007, 08:33 AM) *

QUOTE(azad @ Feb 25 2007, 05:25 PM) *

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.



Thank you for the upload of Guru's version!

Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Regarding Azad's question, there are two slow versions:

1) Kavita Krishnamurthi with children chorus singing when Anil Kapoor was feeling sad that he failed and could not get food for the kids. Kavita K. was picturized on a little girl.

2) the sad version we discussed on this thread.

Speaking of Mr. India, do you think Amit Kumar will end up singing on Mr. India 2?


hey guys iam always shocked at people when they claim to know music and singers, i don,t even know hindi, but i love my indian music, please don,t be offended i might sound a little rude, but i get upset when people claim to know about music when they listen to it. i saw mr.india when i was a kid so i don,t remember the film.did not know shabbir sang this song zindagie, but i was tempted to listen, now that i did iam shocked and very happy to hear this sad version, but heres a turning point my friends, iam a 100 percent sure that zindagie is sung by my all time favorite singer mohammed aziz. if i can get a cd recording for this i will be a happy man. i want those who claim to know music to listen to the song and tell me its not aziz, iam aziz,s biggest fan in the whole world, if i don,t hear his voice each they,then there is no music for me. thanks for the song guys. take care and i don,t mean to sound rude.

Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 06:35 AM

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 26 2007, 08:55 AM) *

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 26 2007, 08:47 AM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 26 2007, 08:33 AM) *

QUOTE(azad @ Feb 25 2007, 05:25 PM) *

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.



Thank you for the upload of Guru's version!

Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Regarding Azad's question, there are two slow versions:

1) Kavita Krishnamurthi with children chorus singing when Anil Kapoor was feeling sad that he failed and could not get food for the kids. Kavita K. was picturized on a little girl.

2) the sad version we discussed on this thread.

Speaking of Mr. India, do you think Amit Kumar will end up singing on Mr. India 2?


hey guys iam always shocked at people when they claim to know music and singers, i don,t even know hindi, but i love my indian music, please don,t be offended i might sound a little rude, but i get upset when people claim to know about music when they listen to it. i saw mr.india when i was a kid so i don,t remember the film.did not know shabbir sang this song zindagie, but i was tempted to listen, now that i did iam shocked and very happy to hear this sad version, but heres a turning point my friends, iam a 100 percent sure that zindagie is sung by my all time favorite singer mohammed aziz. if i can get a cd recording for this i will be a happy man. i want those who claim to know music to listen to the song and tell me its not aziz, iam aziz,s biggest fan in the whole world, if i don,t hear his voice each they,then there is no music for me. thanks for the song guys. take care and i don,t mean to sound rude.



btw i think in my opinion mohammed aziz version is better than kk,s maybe because iam an aziz fan just as you are a kk fan,anyways just enjoy the music u like.

Posted by: raga_tala Feb 26 2007, 08:02 AM

[quote name='shazaad' date='Feb 25 2007, 07:05 PM' post='344124']

[/quote]
hey guys iam always shocked at people when they claim to know music and singers, i don,t even know hindi, but i love my indian music, please don,t be offended i might sound a little rude, but i get upset when people claim to know about music when they listen to it. i saw mr.india when i was a kid so i don,t remember the film.did not know shabbir sang this song zindagie, but i was tempted to listen, now that i did iam shocked and very happy to hear this sad version, but heres a turning point my friends, iam a 100 percent sure that zindagie is sung by my all time favorite singer mohammed aziz. if i can get a cd recording for this i will be a happy man. i want those who claim to know music to listen to the song and tell me its not aziz, iam aziz,s biggest fan in the whole world, if i don,t hear his voice each they,then there is no music for me. thanks for the song guys. take care and i don,t mean to sound rude.
[/quote]


btw i think in my opinion mohammed aziz version is better than kk,s maybe because iam an aziz fan just as you are a kk fan,anyways just enjoy the music u like.
[/quote]

While your liking and appreciation of Mohammed Aziz is highly respected, I can almost guarantee that the song was sung by Shabbir Kumar. MA had better voice control, range, and to some degree pronunciation than SK, which is why MA began to succeed. The way SK and MA sing certain words makes the difference a lot clearer. Listen to the "aa" vowel of SK in this track.

Sometimes, DVD quality things don't produce right sounds. For example, I was listening to "Aaya Aaya Toofan" on DVD and the quality and sound effects ate up most of the sound that it sounded like SK or MA was singing it. When I got the CDQ version, it sounded clearer and I could clearly tell Guru sang it.

Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 08:24 AM

[quote name='raga_tala' date='Feb 26 2007, 10:32 AM' post='344135']
[quote name='shazaad' date='Feb 25 2007, 07:05 PM' post='344124']

[/quote]
hey guys iam always shocked at people when they claim to know music and singers, i don,t even know hindi, but i love my indian music, please don,t be offended i might sound a little rude, but i get upset when people claim to know about music when they listen to it. i saw mr.india when i was a kid so i don,t remember the film.did not know shabbir sang this song zindagie, but i was tempted to listen, now that i did iam shocked and very happy to hear this sad version, but heres a turning point my friends, iam a 100 percent sure that zindagie is sung by my all time favorite singer mohammed aziz. if i can get a cd recording for this i will be a happy man. i want those who claim to know music to listen to the song and tell me its not aziz, iam aziz,s biggest fan in the whole world, if i don,t hear his voice each they,then there is no music for me. thanks for the song guys. take care and i don,t mean to sound rude.
[/quote]


btw i think in my opinion mohammed aziz version is better than kk,s maybe because iam an aziz fan just as you are a kk fan,anyways just enjoy the music u like.
[/quote]
thanks for info but even on bad quality i could tell the singers, i don,t remember songs of toofan but if i heard i would of definitely recognized voice, on females voice sometimes it,s difficult but never i had trouble with male voices, for instance sum1 uploade a song from parvarish and saying amit kuar is the singer,shailendra singh sounds no where close to amit kumar.
While your liking and appreciation of Mohammed Aziz is highly respected, I can almost guarantee that the song was sung by Shabbir Kumar. MA had better voice control, range, and to some degree pronunciation than SK, which is why MA began to succeed. The way SK and MA sing certain words makes the difference a lot clearer. Listen to the "aa" vowel of SK in this track.

Sometimes, DVD quality things don't produce right sounds. For example, I was listening to "Aaya Aaya Toofan" on DVD and the quality and sound effects ate up most of the sound that it sounded like SK or MA was singing it. When I got the CDQ version, it sounded clearer and I could clearly tell Guru sang it.
[/quote]

Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 08:33 AM

[quote name='shazaad' date='Feb 26 2007, 10:54 AM' post='344143']
[quote name='raga_tala' date='Feb 26 2007, 10:32 AM' post='344135']
[quote name='shazaad' date='Feb 25 2007, 07:05 PM' post='344124']

[/quote]
hey guys iam always shocked at people when they claim to know music and singers, i don,t even know hindi, but i love my indian music, please don,t be offended i might sound a little rude, but i get upset when people claim to know about music when they listen to it. i saw mr.india when i was a kid so i don,t remember the film.did not know shabbir sang this song zindagie, but i was tempted to listen, now that i did iam shocked and very happy to hear this sad version, but heres a turning point my friends, iam a 100 percent sure that zindagie is sung by my all time favorite singer mohammed aziz. if i can get a cd recording for this i will be a happy man. i want those who claim to know music to listen to the song and tell me its not aziz, iam aziz,s biggest fan in the whole world, if i don,t hear his voice each they,then there is no music for me. thanks for the song guys. take care and i don,t mean to sound rude.
[/quote]


btw i think in my opinion mohammed aziz version is better than kk,s maybe because iam an aziz fan just as you are a kk fan,anyways just enjoy the music u like.
[/quote]
well i took a listen again, from starting to end its all aziz,aziz is better than shabbir he did not go flat in 2 much of his songs, they are songs he sang so well, shabbir went off key and flat in a lot of songs, nevertheless i also love shabbir saab so no one take offense to my opinion.
thanks for info but even on bad quality i could tell the singers, i don,t remember songs of toofan but if i heard i would of definitely recognized voice, on females voice sometimes it,s difficult but never i had trouble with male voices, for instance sum1 uploade a song from parvarish and saying amit kuar is the singer,shailendra singh sounds no where close to amit kumar.
While your liking and appreciation of Mohammed Aziz is highly respected, I can almost guarantee that the song was sung by Shabbir Kumar. MA had better voice control, range, and to some degree pronunciation than SK, which is why MA began to succeed. The way SK and MA sing certain words makes the difference a lot clearer. Listen to the "aa" vowel of SK in this track.

Sometimes, DVD quality things don't produce right sounds. For example, I was listening to "Aaya Aaya Toofan" on DVD and the quality and sound effects ate up most of the sound that it sounded like SK or MA was singing it. When I got the CDQ version, it sounded clearer and I could clearly tell Guru sang it.
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Posted by: eskayes Feb 26 2007, 08:59 AM

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Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Well, SHabbir would have most probably been used because he had the parody that you mnetioned in the movie already....

As for Nitin Mukesh, well, if i had a free hand i would first use AMit Kumar and then perhaps a few other choices ahead of Nitin Mukesh....Manna De and Yesudas would have been my next choice after Amit because their voices have pitch closest to Guru...infact Manna De Had already once dubbed for Guru in Michael Hai to Cycle Hai....Yesudas again has similar pitch though on classical mould.....next would have been SP Balasubramaniam...he had arrived by then...and he could sing closer to Guru's voice, of course with some bit of restrain on his accentuated South Indian diction... next would have been Manhar, Nitin Mukesh and Suresh Wadkar....just my opinion...

Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 09:13 AM

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 26 2007, 08:47 AM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 26 2007, 08:33 AM) *

QUOTE(azad @ Feb 25 2007, 05:25 PM) *

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.



Thank you for the upload of Guru's version!

Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Regarding Azad's question, there are two slow versions:

1) Kavita Krishnamurthi with children chorus singing when Anil Kapoor was feeling sad that he failed and could not get food for the kids. Kavita K. was picturized on a little girl.

2) the sad version we discussed on this thread.

Speaking of Mr. India, do you think Amit Kumar will end up singing on Mr. India 2?


well i thank you for your opinion, i pray to almighty allah that u never become a music director, kishore kumar is not the only good singer, there are many others,i don,t know why sum of u guys hyped him up so much, others should get a chance to sing, not everyone has the same taste, furthermore aziz sang this sad version very well. i have sum kk songs that u will never dream of , i uploaded that sautela pati, there are many others that i have but i will keep it to myself. take care

Posted by: raga_tala Feb 26 2007, 09:52 AM

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 25 2007, 09:43 PM) *

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 26 2007, 08:47 AM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 26 2007, 08:33 AM) *

QUOTE(azad @ Feb 25 2007, 05:25 PM) *

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.



Thank you for the upload of Guru's version!

Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Regarding Azad's question, there are two slow versions:

1) Kavita Krishnamurthi with children chorus singing when Anil Kapoor was feeling sad that he failed and could not get food for the kids. Kavita K. was picturized on a little girl.

2) the sad version we discussed on this thread.

Speaking of Mr. India, do you think Amit Kumar will end up singing on Mr. India 2?


well i thank you for your opinion, i pray to almighty allah that u never become a music director, kishore kumar is not the only good singer, there are many others,i don,t know why sum of u guys hyped him up so much, others should get a chance to sing, not everyone has the same taste, furthermore aziz sang this sad version very well. i have sum kk songs that u will never dream of , i uploaded that sautela pati, there are many others that i have but i will keep it to myself. take care


Shazaad, I please ask you to take back your prayer of me never becoming a music director. If this does come true, then all the hard work that I tried doing in learning how to play various Indian musical instruments, learning raga and tala theory, and listening to Indian music for hours and analyzing them would come to waste. Being a 2nd generation Indian, the music is what brought me back to my culture.

Secondly, there is a fine difference between hype and true praise. Each person has their likes and dislikes. Even if people in the KK forum do hype him, then what is the problem? As long as they keep their hyping under control (meaning that they don't go to other forums and bash other personalities), then that is perfectly fine. Nearly five years ago, when I saw yoodleeyoo.com, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world that Kishore Kumar fans called him Guru. It's all the matter of self-discipline.

Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 10:31 AM

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 26 2007, 12:22 PM) *

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 25 2007, 09:43 PM) *

QUOTE(shazaad @ Feb 26 2007, 08:47 AM) *

QUOTE(raga_tala @ Feb 26 2007, 08:33 AM) *

QUOTE(azad @ Feb 25 2007, 05:25 PM) *

Thanks guys for the two slow versions of Zindagi Ki Yehi Reet Hai. I also have another slow version of the same song with a female voice, just wondering how many slow versions are there.



Thank you for the upload of Guru's version!

Guru's version had much more clarity in it. Somebody posted earlier that the film may have had Guru's voice in it. In the re-released version they may have replaced it with Shabbir Kumar's voice. Reminds me of Maine Pyar Kiya, with the song "mere rang mein." In the DVD, they completely edited the interludes of the song to make it sound original rather than the famous "Countdown" version.

Why they used Shabbir Kumar for the voice? My hypothesis is that they used his voice in the movie for the joke song "na maangu sona chandi, hum maange maafi didi, lo pakde hum kaan se" so they may as well use his voice in the movie.

If I was the music director and if I couldn't use the "yun" version, then I certainly would have opted for Amit Kumar of Sudesh Bhosle. Actually, I might have ended up with using Nitin Mukesh!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Regarding Azad's question, there are two slow versions:

1) Kavita Krishnamurthi with children chorus singing when Anil Kapoor was feeling sad that he failed and could not get food for the kids. Kavita K. was picturized on a little girl.

2) the sad version we discussed on this thread.

Speaking of Mr. India, do you think Amit Kumar will end up singing on Mr. India 2?


well i thank you for your opinion, i pray to almighty allah that u never become a music director, kishore kumar is not the only good singer, there are many others,i don,t know why sum of u guys hyped him up so much, others should get a chance to sing, not everyone has the same taste, furthermore aziz sang this sad version very well. i have sum kk songs that u will never dream of , i uploaded that sautela pati, there are many others that i have but i will keep it to myself. take care


Shazaad, I please ask you to take back your prayer of me never becoming a music director. If this does come true, then all the hard work that I tried doing in learning how to play various Indian musical instruments, learning raga and tala theory, and listening to Indian music for hours and analyzing them would come to waste. Being a 2nd generation Indian, the music is what brought me back to my culture.

Secondly, there is a fine difference between hype and true praise. Each person has their likes and dislikes. Even if people in the KK forum do hype him, then what is the problem? As long as they keep their hyping under control (meaning that they don't go to other forums and bash other personalities), then that is perfectly fine. Nearly five years ago, when I saw yoodleeyoo.com, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world that Kishore Kumar fans called him Guru. It's all the matter of self-discipline.

alright maybe i got a little heated, hope u succeed in your dreams of becoming talented,hope allah will let u choose the right path to success, good luck and take care no hard feelings.but i will say this in mind to the folks who are expert on the way someone sings, if u truly know music then u will make out the voices no matter if it resembles someone else or a clone, i can tell the difference between all the male voices so i consider myself knowing about music. every 1 has their time limit for singing as much as u love one singer eventually u will get tired and want something new, right now there are many good singers but where are they, majority is himesh he seems to be the man on top, i don,t personally like the new music but i wish himesh much success this is his time,i love kumar sanu and i even collect the bad songs, but where is he now, he gave great melodious tunes but now is someone else,s turn, i apprecaite variety and if i was a music director, i will give every1 a chance to sing a song that suits them. well good luck yaar.

Posted by: ravikumarofindia Feb 26 2007, 11:15 AM

Thanks for all the discussions on the KK song of MR India.

Thanks for the sad version of the song.

As for why KK's voice was never used is still an enigma and its pointless to argue between us on the matter. There are many situations where a singers voice has been dropped and another singers voice used in film. It really does not prove anything regarding any singers ability or inability. Atleast that's what I think.

For instance - the Jadoo song of "Kaho Na Pyar Hai" was sung by both Udit Narayan and Adnan Sami. The Udit Narayan version was put in the film.

Same for Hum Tum song - two recorded and only one used.

Posted by: shazaad Feb 26 2007, 11:27 AM

QUOTE(ravikumarofindia @ Feb 26 2007, 01:45 PM) *

Thanks for all the discussions on the KK song of MR India.

Thanks for the sad version of the song.

As for why KK's voice was never used is still an enigma and its pointless to argue between us on the matter. There are many situations where a singers voice has been dropped and another singers voice used in film. It really does not prove anything regarding any singers ability or inability. Atleast that's what I think.

For instance - the Jadoo song of "Kaho Na Pyar Hai" was sung by both Udit Narayan and Adnan Sami. The Udit Narayan version was put in the film.

Same for Hum Tum song - two recorded and only one used.



did not know this about kaho na pyar hai, iam not a fan of adnan sami but it would not matter to me if he sang it, love udit narayan and very happy that he sang this hot song, thanks for the info

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