Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories, Romantic Sahir |
Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories, Romantic Sahir |
Nimii |
Jun 29 2006, 10:48 AM
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Madhz in fact I was thinking of this Mukesh duet with Sudha M the other day when you had posted the write up tum kisi aur ko chahogi to muskil hogi..
Great writeup re Thanks a lot!!!!!!! N |
oye_sonu |
Jun 30 2006, 09:54 AM
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Dedicated Member Group: Members Posts: 2682 Joined: 24-June 05 From: Wahan, jahan pyar mile :-) ! Member No.: 2547 |
Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social consciousness... NDutta: Didi(1959) Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Meri baat kuch aur hai,maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... Meri dil ki mere jazbaat ki keemat kya hai uljhe uljhe se khayalat ki keemat kya hai Maine kyun pyar kiya tumne na kyun pyar kia In pareshan sawaalat ki keemat kya hai Tum jo yeh bhi na batao to yeh haq hai tumko meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Zindagi sirf mohabbat nahin kuch aur bhi hai zulfo rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Bhookh aur pyaas ki maari hui is duniya mein Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Maine tum se hi nahi sab se mohabbat ki hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Tumko duniya ke ghamo dard se fursat na sahi Sabse ulfat sahi mujhse hi mohabbat na sahi Main tumhari hoon yehi mere liye kya kam hai Tum mere ho ke raho yeh meri kismat na sahi Aur bhi dil to jalao to ye haq hai tumko Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... By god kaya gaana choose kara hai aapne. one of my favs. infact mukhda to ab life ka part ban chuka hai. aur aksar iske mukhde ko one liner ki tarah quote karta hoon. we always have high expectations from our closed ones( or love)....and often let down by them. but then we cant compel someone to love us. off topic but bit related : Acha, aisa hi ek bada pyara song hai film " kasoor"(2002) ka. (an inpired no).But I like that song a lot. Nadeem sharavan has done lot of improvisation(interludes) to the original tune. dil mera todd diya usne bura kyon manoo. usko haq hai vo mujhe pyar kare ya na kare uske raste mein khadi kyon koi diwaar kare. usko haq hai vo mujhe pyar kare ya na kare I had this (didi) song but was desperate to listen......... so again dwonloaded ur uploaded song Thanks Sonu forgive me if I miss replying or reading ur post............bit busy :-( !
Duniya ne kitna samjhaya, kaun hai apna kaun paraya Phir bhi dil ki chot chhupa kar humne aapka dil behalya Khud hi mar mitne ki ye zid hai hamaari...... sach hai duniya waalon hum hain anari ! ......back to basics!!! My artists :- Shankar Jaikishan- Composers with magical touch !! This year we CELEBRATE 60 years of Shankar Jaikishan music . come join the celebrations ! Join the SJ fans group for more information : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/shankarjaikishan/ Join FACEBOOK shankar jaikishan group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=123537751015751 |
pradeepasrani |
Jun 30 2006, 12:28 PM
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Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social consciousness... Two songs(my favorites), two different positions... In the first the girl disheartened with the world and its inequalities seeks refuge in love, "Mujhe gale se lagalo bahut udas hoon main" what a beautiful opening line, simple, intimate and vulnerable .... Reminds me of another song sequence/image from "Phir Subah Hogi" Mala Sinha and Raj Kapoor in the title song of the movie,clinging to each other trying to rid each other of the demons of hunger and destitution... Besides the radical social criticism in the lines themselves, it is worth noting that Sahir gives the lines to the girl, not a very common instance in hindi films where the woman is talking and thinking about things other than romance and love. The lover comforts the girl "Sitam ke haath ki talwar toot jayegi/Ye oonch neech ki dewaar toot jayegi" but the girl is still in the thrall of her disillusionment "Na jane kab ye tareeka ye taur badlega/sitam ka, gham ka, museebat ka daur badlega". In the second, another duet, this time from Didi in the voices of Mukesh and Sudha Malhotra, what great lines the girl is given, yet again! Just listen to her ..."Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to ye haq hai tumko/Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai... The situation is very different, love is not a refuge anymore it is now a hinderance, the lover has to sacrifice his love for the girl for his devotion to a cause. The girl is articulating a more conventional position (expressing her total love and commitment), yet Sahir makes it radical by giving her emotional argument an equal footage with the man's social commitment. The song almost seems to reflect upon Faiz's great "Mujhse pehli si mohabbat mere mehboob na maang...aur bhi dukh hain zamane mein mohabbat ke siwa" and extends it by giving it a female voice that articulates the emotional toll such a commitment can take... The man's sensitive perception of the hard realities around him impinging upon his romantic commitment is expressed hauntingly in: "Bhookh aur pyas ki maari hui is duniya mein Ishq hi ek haqueqat nahi kuch aur bhi hai"... "Maine tumse hi nahi sabse mohabbat ki hai..." But, then... what an argument the girl makes for the cause of love... "Tumko duniya ke ghamo dard se fursat na sahi Sabse ulfat sahi mujhse hi mohabbat na sahi" Ravi: Aaj Aur Kal(1963) Mujhe gale se lagalo bahut udaas hun main Game jahan se chuda lo Bahut udaas hoon main... Mujhe gale se laga lo Nazar mein teer se chubhte hain ab nazaaron se Main thak gayee hoon sabhi tootate saharon se Ab aur bojh na dalo bahut udas hoon main Mujhe gale se laga lo Bahut sahe ghame duniya magar udas na ho Kareeb hai shab-e-gham ki seher udas na ho Bahut sahe ghame duniya Sitam ke haath ki talwar toot jayegi Ye oonch neech ki dewaar toot jayegi Tujhe kasam hai meri hamsafar udas na ho Bahut sahe ghame duniya ... Na jane kab ye tareeka ye taur badlega Sitam ka, gham ka, museebat ka daur badlega Mujhe jahan se utha lo Bahut udaas hoon main.... NDutta: Didi(1959) Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Meri baat kuch aur hai,maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... Meri dil ki mere jazbaat ki keemat kya hai uljhe uljhe se khayalat ki keemat kya hai Maine kyun pyar kiya tumne na kyun pyar kia In pareshan sawaalat ki keemat kya hai Tum jo yeh bhi na batao to yeh haq hai tumko meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Zindagi sirf mohabbat nahin kuch aur bhi hai zulfo rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Bhookh aur pyaas ki maari hui is duniya mein Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Maine tum se hi nahi sab se mohabbat ki hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Tumko duniya ke ghamo dard se fursat na sahi Sabse ulfat sahi mujhse hi mohabbat na sahi Main tumhari hoon yehi mere liye kya kam hai Tum mere ho ke raho yeh meri kismat na sahi Aur bhi dil to jalao to ye haq hai tumko Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... The music for Tum Mujhe Bhool Bhi Jaao was composed by Sudha Malhotra Herself. The music for rest of the songs of Didi were composed by N. Dutta |
bawlachintu |
Jul 1 2006, 02:15 PM
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Apart from Jaidev and Khaiyyam I don't think any other md used Yesudas for Amitabh, or did they? Nimz since you are playing the Yesudas tracks at the moment, you are the current expert... Noone dared to use Yesudas' voice for two heroes except Khayyam. 'Apki mehki hui julph-Sanjeev' 'Kitabon mein chhapte hain chahat ke kisse-Amta Pachchan' Here is the best singer of universe "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw ." |
mmuk2004 |
Jul 2 2006, 01:52 AM
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Thanks Sonu. Pradeep, I had changed my song tag, but forgot to change that. Thank you for pointing it out.
Madhavi "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
mmuk2004 |
Jul 2 2006, 01:55 AM
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Lata,
I thought you had written out the lyrics for the song from Bahu Begum but I don't see it now. Just give me a couple of days to get back to it. "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
r&d |
Jul 2 2006, 03:09 AM
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Madhavi ji (if I may address you so), I've just finished going through this thread. I liked all of your posts but if I may say so, I just loved the one on "meri mehboob kahin aur" (specially how you brought out the contrast with "ek shahenshah ne")... Joshi ji Please call me Madhavi. I love that poem too, would like to see how it is picturised though. Video wale log, any one there has the video of Ghazal? Would like to see Sunil Dutt reprimanding Meena Kumari on wanting the Taj for a locale Instead of video how about three pictures to convey the whole song. Through out the song Meena Kumari is blushing. not really appropriate for the lyrics. |
mmuk2004 |
Jul 2 2006, 10:27 PM
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Thanks Rajnish,
Great space saving tactics... . One pretty much gets the idea of how the song goes. Wonder why they even bothered to use the song in the movie. Can't really imagine Sahir being very happy with how his poem would be diluted in the context of the picturisation. Madhavi "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
bawlachintu |
Jul 3 2006, 06:25 PM
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Kal hi is gaane ko cable pe dekha. Meena Kumari looks pretty.
Dutt saheb ne bhi is gaane mein achche expression diye hain. Here is the best singer of universe "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw ." |
Nimii |
Jul 3 2006, 10:17 PM
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Sigh! I still wanna see the video!! R & D plzzzzzzz !!!!
QUOTE Kal hi is gaane ko cable pe dekha. Meena Kumari looks pretty. Dutt saheb ne bhi is gaane mein achche expression diye hain. You are lucky .. not all of us get a chance to see such old videos on the telly tube |
Nimii |
Jul 3 2006, 10:21 PM
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Another of my favourite one, is this one...
Would love your comments on this.. the first line is just so beautiful.. describing how delicate the King S finds the feet of his beloved ra: paaNv chhoo lene do phooloN ko inaayat hogi, inaayat hogi varnaa hamko nahin, inko bhi shikaayat hogi shikaayat hogi la: aap jo phool bichhaayen unhen ham Thukraayen - 2 hamko Dar hai hamko Dar hai ke ye tauheen-e-muhabbat hogi, muhabbat hogi ra: dil ki bechain umangoN pe karam farmaao - 2 itnaa ruk ruk itnaa ruk ruk ke chaloge to qayaamat hogi, qayaamat hogi paaNv chhoo lene do phooloN ko inaayat hogi, inaayat hogi la: sharm roke hai idhar, shauq udhar khinche hai - 2 kyaa Khabar thi kyaa Khabar thi kabhi is dil ki ye haalat hogi ye haalat hogi ra: sharm gairoN se huaa karti hai apnoN se nahin - 2 sharm ham se sharm ham se bhi karoge to museebat hogi, museebat hogi paaNv chhoo lene do phooloN ko inaayat hogi, inaayat hogi la: hamko Dar hai ke ye tauheen-e-muhabbat hogi, muhabbat hogi ps: reminds me the scene of Pakeezah too where Jaani Rajkumar sees Meena Kumari's feet and describes it.. |
bawlachintu |
Jul 4 2006, 10:16 AM
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Har antara apne aap mein ek dastaan hai.
Here is the best singer of universe "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw ." |
Nimii |
Jul 4 2006, 12:04 PM
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Now what does dastaan mean
My hindi teacher also has vanished Growl! |
Nimii |
Jul 4 2006, 07:46 PM
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Tji got ur sms - dastaan - story
Thank you!!!!!!!!!! |
visuja |
Jul 5 2006, 05:08 PM
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Madhavi-ji,
Wonderful write ups. Always a pleasure to read Sahir's poetry and its interpretations. And your way with words and grasp of urdu is commendable too Chanced upon this thread only today. My loss wunly Looking fwd to many more commentaries from you ..... How about one for the classic - Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par - Taj Mahal Khuda-e-Bartar - Lata - Taj Mahal - Roshan - Sahir Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai Har Ek Fateh-o-Zafar Ke Daaman Pe Khoon-e-Insaan Ka Rang Kyun Hai Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai... Zamiin Bhi Teri, Hain Hum Bhi Tere, Ye Milkiyat Ka Sawaal Kya Hai Ye Qatl-o-Khoon Ka Rivaaz Kyun Hai, Ye Rasm-e-Jang-o-Jadaal Kya Hai Jinhein Talab Hai Jahaan Bhar Ki, Unhiin Ka Dil Itna Tang Kyun Hai Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai Gareeb Maaon Shareef Behnon Ko Amn-o-Izzat Ki Zindagi De Jinhein Ataa Kii Hai Tu Ne Taaqat, Unhein Hidaayat Ki Roshni De Saron Mein Kibr-o-Ghuroor Kyun hai, Dilon Ke Sheeshe Pe Zang Kyun Hai Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai Khazaa Ke Raste Pe Jaanewaalon Ko Bachke Aane Ki Raah Dena Dilon Ke Gulshan Ujad Na Jaaye, Mohabbaton Ko Panaah Dena Jahaan Mein Jashn-e-Wafaa Ke Badle, Ye Jashn-e-Teer-o-Tafang Kyun Hai Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai |
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