Thanks you KK, for this thread. Just yesterday I was checking out Gulzar's works and thought of starting a thread. Then remembered that such a thread had already been done (at least) once before. So was wondering what different touch could be given.
Apart from uploading songs, can we do something additional? Like understanding those parts of the lyrics that don't make complete sense at the outset, or express more meanings than just one?
Just an idea...
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 08:19 AM
Suhas and Sunny,
Please karo ... love Gulzar's songs...
Posted by: Mandrake May 17 2007, 09:46 AM
Madhavi, how about you taking up the posting of lyrics of any song posted here?
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 10:09 AM
QUOTE(Mandrake @ May 16 2007, 11:16 PM)
Madhavi, how about you taking up the posting of lyrics of any song posted here?
Saara kaam main karoon???
Okay... Will do if you and Sunny provide some follow up commentary then ....
Posted by: NATURE May 17 2007, 10:17 AM
QUOTE(Mandrake @ May 17 2007, 10:46 AM)
Madhavi, how about you taking up the posting of lyrics of any song posted here?
hope i can do that mandy ...
gulzar, jo sadaa meri kavita ko prernaa dete hain.
here it goes:
1. Raah Pe Rehte Hain:
Raah pe rehte hai, yaadon pe basar karte hai Khush raho yehale watan hum to safar karte hai
Jal gaye jo dhoonp mein to saayaa ho gaye Aasamaan kaa koi konaa, thodaa so gaye Jo gujar jaatee hain bas us pe gujar karte hai
Udate pairo ke tale jab bahatee hain jameen Mud ke humane koee manjil dekhee hee nahee Raat din raahon pe hum shaama-o-sahar karate hai ---------------------------------- 2. Phirse Aaiyo Badra Bidesi:
Phir se aaeeyo, badaraa bidesee Tere pankho pe, motee jadoongee Bhar ke jaaeeyo, humaaree talayyaa Mai talayyaa, kinaare miloongee Tujhe mere kaale kamaleewaale kee saundh
Tere jaane kee rut main jaanatee hoo Mood ke aane kee reet hain ke nahee Kaalee daragaa se poochhoongee jaa ke Tere man mein bhee pareet hain ke nahee Kachchee puliyaa se, ho ke gujareeyo Kachchee puliyaa kinaare miloongee
Too jo ruk jaaye, meree atareeyaa Mai atareeyaa pe, zaalar lagaa doo Daaloo chaar taabeej gale se Apane kaajal se, bindeeyaa lagaa doo Chhoo ke jaaeeyo, humaare bagiche Mai pipal ke aade miloongee
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hope it works fine. from the very recent works, i just love his "tere bina" from guru.
Posted by: Mandrake May 17 2007, 10:20 AM
Lol..saara nahi... let us share. Everytime a song is uploaded, let us choose whether we want to upload the lyrics. If you don't, I will. Chalega? I know it can be a rather tedious job (I've done it on the marathi forum in the past, and Lata was kind enough to take up that part later. I'd then provide the translations). Commentary, of course, is everybody's job
Posted by: Mandrake May 17 2007, 10:21 AM
Nature That's called REAL HELP
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 10:34 AM
QUOTE(NATURE @ May 16 2007, 11:47 PM)
2. Phirse Aaiyo Badra Bidesi:
Phir se aaeeyo, badaraa bidesee Tere pankho pe, motee jadoongee Bhar ke jaaeeyo, humaaree talayyaa Mai talayyaa, kinaare miloongee Tujhe mere kaale kamaleewaale kee saundh
Tere jaane kee rut main jaanatee hoo Mood ke aane kee reet hain ke nahee Kaalee daragaa se poochhoongee jaa ke Tere man mein bhee pareet hain ke nahee Kachchee puliyaa se, ho ke gujareeyo Kachchee puliyaa kinaare miloongee
Too jo ruk jaaye, meree atareeyaa Mai atareeyaa pe, zaalar lagaa doo Daaloo chaar taabeej gale se Apane kaajal se, bindeeyaa lagaa doo Chhoo ke jaaeeyo, humaare bagiche Mai pipal ke aade miloongee [/b]
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hope it works fine. from the very recent works, i just love his "tere bina" from guru.
Thank you Nature.
Gorgeous gorgeous song... the woman romancing nature... "badra bidesi..." Gulzar on a huge nostalgia trip about forgotten images of the village... "tujhe mere kaali kamli wale ki sondh" "daalun char tabeez gale par" "kachhi puliyan" "talaiyan kinare" "peepal ke aade" , "main atariya pe jhalar laga doon" ... err does anyone even bother to do this any more in our use and throw age???
Posted by: Mandrake May 17 2007, 10:43 AM
Dunno about you 'bidesi's but in my country, we do put phoolon ki jhaalar on the main door on important days...
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 11:08 AM
Yes I love that... Can someone explain exactly what "kali kamliwale" means...
Okay just checked it out, have always wondered..
Kamli coat: A coat made from a coarse woolen blanket which, patched innumerable times, Meher Baba wore almost continuously over a period of years; now on display in the Museum Room on Meherabad Hill.
In the "Yashomati Maiyya" song... it refers to Krishna... Interesting.... Gulzar seems to have deliberately used cultural images that haze the boundaries between Hindu and Muslim religious practices... "Kali dargah" "kali kamli wale" ... "ataria pe jhalar" ...
Posted by: parag_sankla May 17 2007, 11:28 AM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 11:08 AM)
Yes I love that... Can someone explain exactly what "kali kamliwale" means...
Okay just checked it out, have always wondered..
Kamli coat: A coat made from a coarse woolen blanket which, patched innumerable times, Meher Baba wore almost continuously over a period of years; now on display in the Museum Room on Meherabad Hill.
In the "Yashomati Maiyya" song... it refers to Krishna... Interesting.... Gulzar seems to have deliberately used cultural images that haze the boundaries between Hindu and Muslim religious practices... "Kali dargah" "kali kamli wale" ... "ataria pe jhalar" ...
Madhavi, I think "Kamali" is close to the word "Kambal" which is a kind of blanket. It is generally made of wool, is coarse and is supposed to protect from the winter, as you have mentioned.
About Lord Krishna, I think its always believed that he was not the one with a fair complexion. Kala Kisan ji is a famous saying in the Northern part of India.
Parag
Posted by: Mandrake May 17 2007, 11:33 AM
Why did Gulzar do this 'hazing'? Is it related to the character in the film? Has anyone seen the film? Gulzar does get nostalgic about the pre-1947 undivided India very often. In his collection of poems, 'Pukhraaj', he has that lovely poem about the 'mehmaan' who come visiting from across the border...
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 11:36 AM
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 12:58 AM)
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 11:08 AM)
Yes I love that... Can someone explain exactly what "kali kamliwale" means...
Okay just checked it out, have always wondered..
Kamli coat: A coat made from a coarse woolen blanket which, patched innumerable times, Meher Baba wore almost continuously over a period of years; now on display in the Museum Room on Meherabad Hill.
In the "Yashomati Maiyya" song... it refers to Krishna... Interesting.... Gulzar seems to have deliberately used cultural images that haze the boundaries between Hindu and Muslim religious practices... "Kali dargah" "kali kamli wale" ... "ataria pe jhalar" ...
Madhavi, I think "Kamali" is close to the word "Kambal" which is a kind of blanket. It is generally made of wool, is coarse and is supposed to protect from the winter, as you have mentioned.
About Lord Krishna, I think its always believed that he was not the one with a fair complexion. Kala Kisan ji is a famous saying in the Northern part of India.
Why did Gulzar do this 'hazing'? Is it related to the character in the film? Has anyone seen the film? Gulzar does get nostalgic about the pre-1947 undivided India very often. In his collection of poems, 'Pukhraaj', he has that lovely poem about the 'mehmaan' who come visiting from across the border...
You have not seen "Namkeen" ...
Yes Gulzar does seem very nostalgic about it... I remember when Mani Ratnam's Bombay created such a furore about the Hindu Muslim romance, there was a lot of Kudos given to him for attempting such a bold theme... and he deserved it... At the time, mainstream cinema never touched this issue... However I remember in Lekin, Gulzar very quietly showed a Hindu-Muslim couple (Amjad Khan and Bina whatever her name was... ) beautifully. Now don't tell me you have not seen "Lekin"
Btw, what is the poem about ... "Pukhraaj"?
Posted by: Mandrake May 17 2007, 11:45 AM
Here's a list of Gulzar's movies (as a lyricist) - 1955 SWAMI VIVEKANAND 1961 KABULIWALA 1963 BANDINI 1965 PURNIMA 1966 BIWI AUR MAKAN 1960 Do Dooni Chaar 1966 SANNATA 1968 Aashirwaad 1968 Rahgir 1970 KHAMOSHI 1971 ANAND 1971 GUDDI 1971 SEEMA 1971 Mere Apne 1972 ANUBHAV 1972 PARICHAY 1974 DOOSRI SITA 1975 AANDHI 1975 KHUSHBOO 1976 MAUSAM 1977 GHARONDA 1977 KINARA 1977 PALKON KI CHHAAON MEIN 1977 SHAQUE 1977 Khatta Meetha 1978 DEVTA 1978 GHAR 1979 GOLMAAL 1980 GRAH PRAVESH 1980 SITARA 1980 SWAYAMVAR 1980 THODI SI BEWAFAI 1981 BASERA 1981 GEHRAYEE 1981 NARAM GARAM 1982 ANGOOR 1982 NAMKEEN 1983 MASOOM 1983 Sadma 1984 TARANG 1985 Ghulami 1986 Jeeva 1986 EK PAL 1987 Jaliyan Wala Bagh 1991 LEKIN 1993 Maya Memsaab 1993 Rudaali 1996 Maachis 1997 Chachi 420 1997 Daayra 1999 Hu Tu Tu 1999 Jahan Tum Le Chalo 2000 Fiza 2005 Bunty Aur Babli 2006 Omkara
Anand Niketan ? (early) Diler Hasina ? (v early)
Okay, edited as per Hum Tum and Madhavi's inputs.
Posted by: Mandrake May 17 2007, 11:48 AM
Pukhraaj is a collection of poems. Written in urdu (but using devnaagari script) Spent years reading it
Posted by: HumTum May 17 2007, 11:49 AM
You have missed out Do dooni chaar, Ashirwaad and Rahgeer from whatever little I remember. Gulzaronline.com is a good reference for his filmography.
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 11:56 AM
Do Dooni Chaar - 1960 Aashirwaad - 1968 Rahgir - 1968 Mere Apne - 1971 Khatta Meetha - 1977 Sadma - 1983 Ghulami - 1985 Jeeva - 1986 Jaliyan Wala Bagh - 1987 Maya Memsaab - 1993 Rudaali - 1993 Maachis- 1996 Chachi 420 - 1997 Daayra - 1997 Hu Tu Tu - 1999 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - 1999
Anand Niketan ? (early) Diler Hasina ? (v early)
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 12:00 PM
Bandini 1963
Just one song in it "Mora gora ang laye le/mohe shyam rang daye de"
Posted by: parag_sankla May 17 2007, 12:01 PM
Since we are talking about Gulzar here, I would like to add something which I read in RMIM some time back.
There was a lot of discussion about his 2 songs from Anubhav. Many members posted their views about "Meri jaan mujhe jaan na kaho" and "Mera dil jo mera hota"
The kind of word-play he has achieved in Meri jaan mujhe jaan na kaho is amazing.
( On a side note, Anubhav had another song penned by Kapil Kumar which is "Koi chupake se aake, sapane sula ke mujh ko jaga ke bole ke main aa raha hoon..."..Wow..kya baat hain ! Sapane sulake ..mujhko jagake...simply superb)
Cheers Parag
Posted by: HumTum May 17 2007, 12:04 PM
Madhavi sis not to forget the unreleased songs of the movie Devdas that had lovely numbers by Kishore and Lata under R.D.Burman's baton.
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 12:05 PM
QUOTE(HumTum @ May 17 2007, 01:34 AM)
Madhavi sis not to forget the unreleased songs of the movie Devdas that had lovely numbers by Kishore and Lata under R.D.Burman's baton.
O yes...
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 12:08 PM
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 01:31 AM)
( On a side note, Anubhav had another song penned by Kapil Kumar which is "Koi chupake se aake, sapane sula ke mujh ko jaga ke bole ke main aa raha hoon..."..Wow..kya baat hain ! Sapane sulake ..mujhko jagake...simply superb)
Cheers Parag
That's right Parag... He seems to have become infected by the Gulzar spirit though... "sapna sulake" seems very Gulzarish...
Posted by: parag_sankla May 17 2007, 12:09 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 12:00 PM)
Bandini 1963
Just one song in it "Mora gora ang laye le/mohe shyam rang daye de"
Is it the first song of Gulzar as a lyricist ? Thats what I knew all these years.
Not sure...
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 12:11 PM
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 01:39 AM)
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 12:00 PM)
Bandini 1963
Just one song in it "Mora gora ang laye le/mohe shyam rang daye de"
Is it the first song of Gulzar as a lyricist ? Thats what I knew all these years.
Not sure...
Yes I too sort of remeber that but he seems to have composed for so many albums before that... The whole Bimal Roy camp in Bandini later on went to become big names in their own right... Hrishikesh Mukherji, Gulzar and s'one else I cannot remember...
Posted by: parag_sankla May 17 2007, 12:14 PM
I must add, that "Mora gora ang lai le" is another example of an almost near perferct song (IMHO). Meaningful lyrics, great tune, nice folk based rhythmic music and voice of Goddess !
(Another perfect song at the top of my head will be Yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaaye toh kya hain..)
Cheers Parag
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 17 2007, 12:18 PM
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 01:44 AM)
I must add, that "Mora gora ang lai le" is another example of an almost near perferct song (IMHO). Meaningful lyrics, great tune, nice folk based rhythmic music and voice of Goddess !
(Another perfect song at the top of my head will be Yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaaye toh kya hain..)
Cheers Parag
Yes... Gulzar's sensuous lyrics with Lata's pristine voice supported by SDB... It reminds me of another incredible combination "Aaj Sajan Mohe "
Posted by: parag_sankla May 17 2007, 12:23 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 12:18 PM)
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 01:44 AM)
I must add, that "Mora gora ang lai le" is another example of an almost near perferct song (IMHO). Meaningful lyrics, great tune, nice folk based rhythmic music and voice of Goddess !
(Another perfect song at the top of my head will be Yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaaye toh kya hain..)
Cheers Parag
Yes... Gulzar's sensuous lyrics with Lata's pristine voice supported by SDB... It reminds me of another incredible combination "Aaj Sajan Mohe "
Hey hey, now if I would have said that, it would have sounded that I am being biased about my favorite singer !
Cheers Parag
Posted by: HumTum May 17 2007, 12:36 PM
But Paragbhai, so what if you are biased towards your favorite singer?
Posted by: King Kishore May 17 2007, 03:45 PM
Superb, - Madhavi, Mandrake, Nature, Parag and HumTum.
Just logged on and saw 'Humaare Peeth Peechhe Kya Ho Rahaa Hai'
Excellent Idea and Thoughts, please do continue, and wherever possible I will def put in my Chavanni.
Sunny
Posted by: King Kishore May 17 2007, 03:52 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 17 2007, 12:18 PM)
QUOTE(parag_sankla @ May 17 2007, 01:44 AM)
I must add, that "Mora gora ang lai le" is another example of an almost near perferct song (IMHO). Meaningful lyrics, great tune, nice folk based rhythmic music and voice of Goddess !
(Another perfect song at the top of my head will be Yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaaye toh kya hain..)
Cheers Parag
Yes... Gulzar's sensuous lyrics with Lata's pristine voice supported by SDB... It reminds me of another incredible combination "Aaj Sajan Mohe "
Both in the same vein, no doubt, but somehow Aaj Sajan Mohey tilts a little on the bhajan kinda side, in the tune I mean, whereas Mora Gora Rang is a complete love number even tho it refers to Shyam Rang Dai De, IMO.
Posted by: usrafian May 17 2007, 05:43 PM
Dosto,
Moka Bhi Hai Aur Datur Bhi Hai....
..enjoy 'Live' chat with Gulzar Sahab
Draft Transcript of Live Chat of Gulzar on Rediff on 17th July,1999
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swastik : namaskaar ... Gulzar saheb aaye kya? Ajit Singh : Thodisi Zameen, Thoda Aasmaan Tinkon Ka Bas Ek Aashian .... Mausam : Shaam se aankh main kuch nami si hain. Is Gulzaar Saab here?? vinay : hello sablog, Darshan : Hi mausam: he'll be here in approx. 4 mins. But don't quote me on that, as I'm going on GMT!! swastik : Ummeed hogi koi... 5 baje warna koi aata nahi... ;-)
Gulzar : Adaab everybody, nice meeting you all :-) vinay : sir, dil se shuru kareN Jehangir : Gulzar Sahab, Adaab. This is the postman from Karachi. Sultan-e-Mausiqui is at office he had also wished to join me now Darshan : Adaab Arz, Gulzar sahib? Kaise hai aap?
Mausam : So here are we all But where's the man-in-Question?? Gulzar : Mausam: Main aa gaya hoon bas aap ki kami si hai:-) Mausam : WOW , Woh ghadi aa gayi . We are flattered ,Gulzar Saab sandeep : hello gulzaarsaab are u really there . aapko dil dhoondta hai ..
Milind Desai : Sir When is "Libaas" releasing? Gulzar : Milind Desai: It is still in the laundry, I'm not sure of the producers plan. Vikas Mohan the editor and proprietor of Complete Cinema is the producer of the film. Ask him:-)
vinay : sir dil se ke baare meiN aap kya sochte haiN. to be frank i was disappointed by the overall effect Gulzar : Vinay: Visually very very charming. Script required a little more clarity, the music was a superb experience. The fog in the visuals looked good but the fog in the story was blinding.
Kashif (USA) :I wanted to get your opinion about the future of urdu. and what should be the urdu -hindi relations since the are so close and yet different from each other.
Gulzar : Kashif: They are not so different to each other, the idioms of one are used in the other, each one compliments the other for beautifying the expression. The language that we use in films is perhaps the most appropriate, and speakable without any pretences. I think that's the right language of the people. Name it Urdu, Hindi or Hindustani. Urdu has a different (Persian) script, Hindi has Devnagri.Hindi as it is, is read in Urdu script. I wish Urdu be read in Hindi script the same way without any prejudice. A language can have two scripts like Punjabi which is written in Gurumukhi on this side of the border now and in Persian script on the other side. I wish Urdu be adopted in both the scripts with equal love.
Mehta : Gulzar Sir, Why Gulzar has became revolutionist who shouts against social and political corruption ?? You never made movies on these subjects before, ( Andhi was bit exceptional not fully), Why now ?
Gulzar : Mehta: my very first film Mere Apne had this political tone. The relations of the youth with the politicians of the time. Which was updated in Maachis. If you carefully look into the subjects you will find Hu Tu Tu is the updating of Aandhi. In between there was New Delhi Times and some other films also which reffered to the socio political conditions of our times. So it's not as abrupt as you feel.
Ajit Singh : Do you miss RD, Gulzar saab? I miss your partnership a lot! sandeep : well gulzarji ..any words on Panchamda ...that come to your heart this moment ... swastik : Gulzar saheb, Pancham ke baad Pancham ki said-reincarnation Jatin-Lalit ke saath kaam karne ka anubhav kaisa raha? Gulzar : Ajit Singh: Swastik: RD was RD! Pancham to me and freinds. There can't be a duplicate of him. Everybody comes with ones own identity and that is more credible than being a reincarnation of some departed soul. Let RD be in peace. I miss him a lot...you can't put a vaccum into words.
swastik : I know that sir. That's why I said 'said' - but I would like to know the experience. Ajit Singh : Thankyou Gulzar ji for sharing your thoughts about RD. I miss him very much. Your songs give life to me!!!
sandeep : gulzaarsaab, you must have developed a "special" relationship with sanjeev kumar who gave life to "mausam" Gulzar : Sandeep: Indeed, Sanjeev was a very special freind like Pancham. Pamcham and Sanjeev were always the two anchors of my films. Both cheated me and left me alone. It was unfair of my friends.
swastik : They didn't only leave you alone sir. We are alone too without them.
pavanjha : How the tranformation of soft romantic poet (Aajkal paaon jameen par) to aggresive and hard hitting (Phir kati gardan sir katne lage hai) has taken place. In last thirty years you were never so aggresive in film songs.... Gulzar : Pavanjha: I was sarcastic perhaps in songs like Sab Kuch Theek Thak Hai in Mere Apne, then Paanch Saalon Ka Dene Hisaab Aaye Hain in Aandhi. Sarcasm didn't work so I so started hitting direct but I see it's not hard enough to make a dent.
vinay : sir, i think the one Gulzar that i like the most is the dialogue writer. Hu tu tu had some unparrellel witty pieces. Why don't u write for films other than yours these days? Gulzar : Vinay: I do whenever they ask me to. I have written for Hrishida, Basuda, Ramesh Sippy, Romesh Sharma, Shekar Kapur,Prakash Jha and many others. Why don't you recommend me to them again?:-) Uday : I think Vinay , same thing is equally true in Chupake Chupake or Masoom which are not directed by Gulzar Saab.
Niketan R : Coming back to Hu Tu Tu, there is so much difference between this film and your earlier political film Aandhi. In Aandhi ,the politician lady is selfless, wnats to do only public service and is of great moral character while the protagonist of Hu Tu Tu is corrupt and even has a child from her paramour. Why the major difference between the 2 characters. Is this your growing disgust at politics ? Gulzar : Niketan R: Both the films reveal the ways of the politician. The distance of years has only made them worse. From Mere Apne to Maachis and Andhi to Hu Tu Tu. vinay : sir maine ek baar aapse poochha tha, ek sau solah chaaNd ki raatoN ke baare meiN (during one of your Jaipur visits). us waqt aap vyast the. please bataayeN, aap kin chaar mahinoN ka zikra kar rahe haiN. Gulzar : Vinay: It's not the number which is important, it's important that somebody kept the count of the moonlit nights of which they spent together.
Suresh : Which singer gave your lyrics the depth and feeling you really wanted? Gulzar : Suresh: Different ones with different lyrics at different times. swastik : Sir, what has been your experience with Jatin Lalit in Khubsoorat? Gulzar : Swastik: Bahut Khoobsoorat:-)
vinay : sir. There's a lot of discussion about you and your work on the music newsgroup on the Net Rec.Music.Indian.Misc. The one recent discussion being about your debut song. Apparantly Mora gora rang lei le is been claimed by Shailendra's daughter as Shailendra's - the Antaras. Would you clarify please? And do u hapen to read, by any chance, the newsgroup? It is one of the best discussion forum about Indian Film Music. Gulzar : Vinay: I only knew Shailendra, even before I came to films from Bombay Youth Choir and IPTA. Even if by chance any line had resembled his, he would have told me, he was there when my song was accepted by Sachinda and Bimalda. I have no more clarifications to give. Niketan R : Thanks Gulzar Saab, We see that there is now an element of anger in Hu Tu Tu which we did not see much of earlier like Namkeen, Angoor(my favorite comedy of all time), Khushboo etc. As I said earlier the ending was very un -Gulzar like. My wife was shocked at the ending . She never expected such a violent act in a Gulzar movie. What was the end supposed to signify . Is this the amount of disgust with politics? Gulzar : Niketan R: No, it was an expression of protest by the younger generation. We unfortunately have failed to give a better country to our younger generation than what we have inherited ourselves . It's a disgust with myself and the generations behind me who have not done their share to stand up against injustice. I do know there will be a turning point somewhere but I'm not sure I will be able to look into the eyes of the coming generation without guilt.
Niketan R : Today will you make a film like Angoor or Namkeen? Gulzar : Niketan: Yes. Not to repeat the same but similar subjects if the producers agree. Namkeen for it's different relationships of four women of different age groups with one man in the house. And Angoor for a pure comedy without a melodramatic end. mehta : I repeat my question? Sir, Please tell me about ALL TIME GREAT SANJEEV KUMAR,Tell me about how he worked?? Specially for your films Mausam & Angoor , what homework he has done to grip the character ?? How he was getting those sharp reactions and expressions ?? Gulzar : Mehta: The special quality with Sanjeev was to swallow the script, digest it and throw up:-) He played the characters with an internal intensity and not the external gestures. Look carefully in Mausam and Aandhi his get up and costume is almost the same yet how differently he plays the two characters. Uday : Gulzarji, kya aapake partition ke zakhm abhi bhi vaise hi hai ? Kyon ki jab mai 'Dastak' sunta ya padhata hoon to zakhm abhi bhi taaje lagate hai ? Wohi baat Maachis mai Om Puri ke dialogues ke baare mai ? Aap uske baare mai kya sochate ho ? Gulzar : Uday: I saw the entire bloodshed happening at a very early age of 10-11. I have seen the half burnt and stinking dead bodies being scraped from the road side with showels, thrown into the trucks to clear the way. Those images left me with nightmares for more than 25 years to follow. It is with much effort that I have dissolved them away from my concious thoughts. They still reappear sometimes with the newsclips with the evidence... Can I really get over it till the scene fades away from the society? vinay : sir, u have given some more than obvious hints for your dislike of Mahatma Gandhi. The recent example being Hu Tu Tu (scene about Subhash Chandra Boseji's picture. Also Om Puri's monologues in Machis). Any particular reasons? Of course i don't agree with you (at least once in my life ). Gulzar : Vinay: No I have no dislike for Mahatma Gandhi. I dislike the way his followers have used him and are using him till date. Maachis was a refernce to them not to Mahatma Gandhi. Refernce to Subhash Chandra Bose is only a reminder of the religious unity of INA in Hu Tu Tu. Suresh : In your opinion who was better - RD or SD? Why? Just curious! Gulzar : Suresh: It's unfair to compare the two. Both were geniuses in their own generations times. Both have come down as genius gems to us. Long live their music. I do not like the remixes done on their works.
pavanjha : Some of your songs are out of reach of your fans like Gehrayee (rishte bas rishte hote hai,), Mammo (Hazaar baar chale hum). Similarly You did lots of serials for children. 'Chaddi pehan ke phool khila hai', 'Guchha hai', 'Tap tap tobi' to 'Potli baba ki' which are not available on audio. Can you do something for bringing out these scores? Gulzar : Pavanji I'm aware of the tremendous effort you have done in collecting my works, I'm grateful. I take this oppurtunity to express my thanks. The works which you have enquired about are with different producers. So it is not possible to compile them, unless some musical company or somebody with your kind of initiative collects them and publishes them in a casstte. There are some songs of Pancham for films like Bharosa, Abhi Abhi , which never got released because the films were not completed. There are songs of Jaidevji and Vasant Desai, Laxmikant, Khayyam and some others which are lying scattered away. At another time I'll try to send you a list across and then see if I can collect the songs for you I do not promise all but atleast some of them. anand : gulzaarsaab, who amongst your contemporaries do you have the greatest respect and admiration for...is it saahir, Shailendra, Neeraj or somebody else..please answer sir... Gulzar : Anand: If I respect one it doesn't mean I respect the other less. Shailendra in my opinion was the greatest lyricist that happened to Hindi films in my times, though, D N Madhok was the earlier one. Shailendra knew the difference of a poem and a lyric. He brought the lyric close to the literary standard in a comman mans ballad. For example Mera Jootha Hai Japani. In the antra he sings the glory of the comman man, the antra which starts 'honge raje rajkunvar hum, hum bigade dil shahezade' Sahirsaab was a literary poet and remained so. He didn't accept the medium as much as the medium accepted him. Neeraj again in his won capacity was one great poet who came to films and left it to join politics.
Ajit Singh : Will HMV ever release 'Dil Padosi Hai' on CD? Gulzar : Ajit Singh: I think it is available on CD. Ajit Singh : The songs, I mean the master tapes have not been preserved by HMV. Which we know since they are making CDs made from tapes recorded from LPs. Will your songs will ever be reproduced in their original quality?
mehta : Gulzarji, What is relation between an director & an Actor as far as characterization of a movie character is concern? You dominate you actors OR your actors have free choice of act according to their perception of character & you just describe what kind of character you want? Gulzar : Mehta: We all remain bound to the script. Nobody rises above the script including the director.
Ninad : Gulzaar saab, just one question, when you write the lyrics of a song, do you wrtie them based on the tune already coomposed or is the tune composed after you pen down the words? Or do both the processes go hand in hand? Gulzar : Ninad: Actually both the processes work together simultaneously. With Pancham we used to keep tossing the ball into each others court till the first overhead smash. Even now working with Vishal, we toss the song the same way but quite often the ball is in my court to start the first service. Vishal being well versed with Urdu poetry is more at ease with this process. kashif : gulzar sahib you consider your self a poet of urdu or hindi? Thanks Gulzar : Kashif: Both are one language to me, though my script is Urdu. I write in Urdu copy it in Hindi and sing in Hindustani:-) anand : Gulzaar ji...please ek couplet...bas ..fir hum yahaan se ravvana...please gulzaar ji hum sab ki taraf se ..a couplet about LIFE anand : hey everybody..please write a line asking Gulzaar ji to write us a couplet..this session cant be complete without that..ok?..1..2..3..NOW..all of you please write down the request..
Gulzar : Anand/Mausam:
Har Ek Gham Nichod Ke, Har Ek Ras Jiye Do Din Ki Zindagi Mein, Hazaron Baras Jiye
anand : :-)......:-).....THANK YOU SO MUCH GULZAARJI......BAHUT SHUKRIYA ..BADI MEHERBAANI.... anur : wah kya baat hai ,par aap ke under itna dard kyon hai Mausam : I am flattered to be here ,this evening . And i am going to remember this for all my life . ek shair ne itna sukoon kabhi pehle nahi diya . REDIFF ,THANX A TON . swastik : waah Gulzar sahab waah anand : I AGREE WITH MAUSAM...THANX REDIFF FOR GIVING US THIS OPPURTUNITY TO BE ONEONONE WITH A LEGEND..
swastik : Gulzar sir, pleeeease ek bhasha se juDa sawal - is it right to keep the publicity matter and titles etc.. of Hindi films in English? and is it right for actors/actresses to speak in English in most off-screen appearances? Gulzar : Swastik: Straightaway to confess. NO. In foreign film festivals many a times we have been questioned that why Indian and Pakistani films have English titles and the language of the film was not the same. In our own country it's not the same with Bengali and South India films, whether Tamil, Telegu, Kanada, Malayam... It's only in Hindi and Urdu films that we have this. I think it's more for the trade reasons that it has been imposed on us. Secondly English provides the all India link. For the second part of your question, it's not fair to speak English in Hindi programs and keep punching Hindi into English programs. Kyon theekh hai ki nahin?:-)
Gulzar : Last five minutes in the room.
anand : gulzaarji....hum sab ki taraf se...BAHUT BAHUT DHANYAWAAD..AAP AAYE..CHAND BAATEIN KI....WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL AND ENRICHED....AISE MAUKE BAHUT KAM NASSEB HOTE HAIN...ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU.....KHUDA AAPKO LAMBI UMAR DE..SO THAT WE MAY ALL BENEFIT FROM YOUR INSPIRATIONAL PEN Mausam : Gulzar Saab : Tum jo keh do to Aaaj ki raat chaand doobega nahi ,Raat ko rok lo , Raat baat hain aur Zindagi Baaki to nahi pavanjha : BAS EK CHUP SI LAGI HAI. NAHIN UDAAS NAHIN. pavanjha : Abhi na parda giraao Thehro
Darshan : Why is the flashback your favourite technique of film narration? Gulzar : Darshan: I don't make concious effort for this, it is natural rendering or narratin or story for me. Even in my regular conversation I go back to describe past incidents as I'm doing with my friend Suparn right here. I feel that is a very natural way of narrating a story. We make it unnatural only when we iron it and straighten it out. The flashback also helps to dramatise the unity of time and place. Could I explain myself?
Koi khamosh zakhm lagti hai Zindagi ek Nazm lagti hai
Bye, Doston, Khuda hafiz--Gulzar
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Kaho Yaaro, Kaisi Rahii ??? USR
Posted by: bawlachintu May 17 2007, 06:10 PM
Could sumone post lyrics of "Anki chali banki chali", please
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 18 2007, 04:31 AM
QUOTE(bawlachintu @ May 17 2007, 07:40 AM)
Could sumone post lyrics of "Anki chali banki chali", please
Ek gali se jhumman nikle Ek gali se jhuniya Beech sadak pe ho gayi saari Bhaad mein jaaye duniya Jhoom jhoom ke jhoomke naache Jhuniya Nache Jhuniya bai Sau sau phere leve jhumman Khoob baji shehnai... Aanki chali...
Jhumman ke ghar beti janmi Jhuniya jaise gaal Mooch marod ke nikle Jhumman Ja pahunche sasural(2) Baat Baat Pe Khansi Bole Paani Mange Aag(?) Pyase mar gaye Jhumman miya Par na chhodi taap Aanki chali...
Jeem Se Jhumman Jheem Jalebi... Jhumman Jhunniya Jeem Har litti(?) ki patti padke Jhumman hue hakeem Phool phool ke phulka phule Pichak pichak pichkari Nimki lave katha chuna Mithhu Paan Supari Aanki chali...
Aaki chali baaki chali
BC you owe me for this one...had to play the song ten times at least to catch all the words... Your comments please...
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Is it related to the character in the film? Has anyone seen the film?
In the movie Shabana (who is dumb and writes poetry to escape her reality) imagines/sings the song (phirse aiyoo) when she falls in love with Sanjeev Kumar who is really in love with the more practical Sharmila Tagore... The movie is about a truck driver who rents a room in a small village from a family of four women... the mother(Waheeda Rehman) and her three daughters (Sharmila Tagore, Shabana Azmi and Kiran Vairale).
A gem of a movie, it really has no plot, just derives its justification from the incredibly fascinating characters and the relationships between the four women and Sanjeev Kumar. The old woman, almost senile, wily about taking money to survive, the eldest just beyond the marriageable age, struggling under her responsibilities, harsh yet vulnerable, the middle one, dumb and ultra-sensitive, living in her own world, and the youngest, full of life and curious, just emerging out of her teens, dangerously veering towards the very world of "Nautanki" that her mother had left behind with such bitter memories.
Gulzar seems to have a fascination with names... or at least I am fascinated by names he chooses for his characters... The Eldest is "Nimki" (Sharmila Tagore) and middle one (Shabana) is "Mitthu" and the youngest one...as they ran out of flavours..."Chinki" . Waheeda Rehman is Jyoti(Jugni). I remember in Lekin too he has this beautiful name for his beautiful ghost... Reva... wonder what it means.
Aage... movie dekho and please comment karo...
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 18 2007, 04:45 AM
QUOTE(usrafian @ May 17 2007, 07:13 AM)
Kaho Yaaro, Kaisi Rahii ??? USR
Very very informative piece... USR...had not read this one before. Thank you. give me a couple of hours... will come back with some comments on the interview if no one beats me to it...
Posted by: Mandrake May 18 2007, 07:52 AM
Thanks Madhavi for the background. Yes, I haven't seen Namkeen, just as I haven't seen many, many, many others. Since 1986, my movie watching rate can be put at about 2-3 a year (max!!)
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...had to play the song ten times at least to catch all the words...
You don't have to do this for most songs. There are lyrics available on sites like www.hindilyrix.com. Of course you need to correct the typos, and run the song once with the words just to check their correctness.
Posted by: parag_sankla May 18 2007, 08:17 AM
QUOTE(Mandrake @ May 18 2007, 07:52 AM)
Thanks Madhavi for the background. Yes, I haven't seen Namkeen, just as I haven't seen many, many, many others. Since 1986, my movie watching rate can be put at about 2-3 a year (max!!)
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...had to play the song ten times at least to catch all the words...
You don't have to do this for most songs. There are lyrics available on sites like www.hindilyrix.com. Of course you need to correct the typos, and run the song once with the words just to check their correctness.
Suhas, thanks for the information on the lyrics. I tried to do a search by name of singer from the page
http://www.hindilyrix.com/singer.html
Its giving some internal error message. May be the site is down right now or the search functionality is not working.
Thanks again
Cheers Parag
Posted by: Mandrake May 18 2007, 09:23 AM
Yes, I checked it. The site seems to be down, as none of the hyperlinks work. Maybe you can try it later in the day.
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 18 2007, 08:32 PM
USRafian,
With reference to the conversation with Gulzar that you pasted, a few questions which you or s'one else might have any info on....
The date is 1999... wonder if there has been any follow up on that
1) Did Libaas ever get released? 2) The albums with RDB that he mentioned, Bharosa and Abhi Abhi... again has anything been done about them?
With regard to some of his movies that were mentioned in this conversation... Interesting that he thought Mani Ratnam's Dil Se was not particularly well thought out... his ending in "Hu Tu Tu" is very similar, I was disappointed with it but maybe he was trying to make a different point.. hmm need to go back and see the movie again. The Nana Patekar angle was very bitter though.. I personally thought Maachis was much better thought out in terms of the violence that he depicted in it as it touches the lives of all the characters.
I always felt that violence was a very strong theme in a number of Gulzar's movies right from the beginning... Mere Apne is a brilliant movie, it is apparently a remake of a Bengali movie. Anyone has seen it ? Someone pointed to the romantic lyrics of Ghar, as a far cry from those of Hu Tu Tu... Ghar too deals with violence of a kind...rape and its repurcussions on the life of an ordinary couple. "Kaanch Ke Khwab Hain Aakhon Mein Chub Jayenge".
Posted by: HumTum May 19 2007, 10:44 AM
Libaas a 1988 to be released movie was never released. Shall try and get more info on this very soon.
One movie of recent past, which I would like to highlight is Leela, featuring Vinod Khanna, Dimple Kapadia.
Posted by: NATURE May 19 2007, 11:58 AM
QUOTE(usrafian @ May 17 2007, 06:43 PM)
Gulzar : Anand/Mausam:
Har Ek Gham Nichod Ke, Har Ek Ras Jiye Do Din Ki Zindagi Mein, Hazaron Baras Jiye
waah !!! ye kisi movie ki hai ya impromptu hai ?
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Kaho Yaaro, Kaisi Rahii ??? USR
bahut khoob usr saheb !!! gulzar saheb se bhent ho gayaa, hum prasanna ho gaye. bahut bahut shukriyaa aapkaa, aisi interview aur hai to upload kijiyegaa, preferably audio/video ...
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 18 2007, 05:31 AM)
Gulzar seems to have a fascination with names... or at least I am fascinated by names he chooses for his characters... The Eldest is "Nimki" (Sharmila Tagore) and middle one (Shabana) is "Mitthu" and the youngest one...as they ran out of flavours..."Chinki" . Waheeda Rehman is Jyoti(Jugni). I remember in Lekin too he has this beautiful name for his beautiful ghost... Reva... wonder what it means.
Aage... movie dekho and please comment karo...
naam mein kuchh to baat hai mmuk ji. i think i like mitthu vaise nimki bhi achchhaa hai but it's too funny. lyrics ke liye dhanyawaad !!!
main movie nahi dekhi, review please ...
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 18 2007, 09:32 PM)
Mere Apne is a brilliant movie, it is apparently a remake of a Bengali movie. Anyone has seen it ?
which movie ? detail please.
Posted by: usrafian May 19 2007, 01:12 PM
QUOTE(NATURE @ May 19 2007, 11:58 AM)
QUOTE(usrafian @ May 17 2007, 06:43 PM)
Gulzar : Anand/Mausam:
Har Ek Gham Nichod Ke, Har Ek Ras Jiye Do Din Ki Zindagi Mein, Hazaron Baras Jiye
waah !!! ye kisi movie ki hai ya impromptu hai ?
Pakka 'impromptu' hai
Kabhii Maang Kar Le Liye Gam Kisii Ke Kabhii Apane Gam Kar Diye Hain Paraaye Ye Bedard Yaaden Ye Hamdard Aansuu Badii Duur Tak Chhodane Saath Aaye
This is also by Gulzar Sahab but not 'impromptu'.
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aisi interview aur hai to upload kijiyegaa, preferably audio/video ...
Zaruur .
ThankU Nature Ji & Madhavi Ji for your comments on Gulzar's Chat.
From begining, Sampoorn Singh 'Gulzar', has emotionally suffered alot which is clearly expressed in his poetries/songs/stories.
I wonder , which was his 1st movie, 'Kabuliwala' or 'Bandini'.
As discussed above by Parag Ji, 'Mora Gora Ang Layee Le' was Gulzar's 1st song (Bandini) under the priceless guidance of Shailendra Mahan. I rate this song as top-most of Gulzar.
Many 'Maanjhi-songs' are written by various great lyricist like Majrooh's-'Sun Mere Bandhu Re' Shailendra's-'Vahaan Koun Hai Tera' & so on but Gulzar's two 'Maanjhi Songs' are on top of ALL & will remain (I suppose)..
Ganga Aaye Kahan Se (Kabuliwala) & Janam Se Main Banjaara O Bandhu (Rahgir).
Ofcourse, rarely touched subject 'Children's song' no one can touch Gulzar !!!
USR
Posted by: Mandrake May 19 2007, 10:15 PM
And what about that lovely, lovely Khushboo song, 'O maajhee re, apna kinara nadiya ki dhara hai'? Those lyrics are also awesome!! Saahilon pe behne waale kabhi suna toh hoga nahi kaagazon ki kashtiyon ka koi kinara hota nahi koi kinara maajhdhaare se mile woh apna kinara hai...
What an idea!! If any river-bank can shift to come midstream, only such a bank can be mine!!
Paaniyon mein beh rahe hain kayee kinaare toote huye raaston mein mil gayee hain sabhee sahaare chhoote huye koi sahara maanjhdhaare se mile woh apna sahara hai...
I think it so acutely expresses the anguish of a man who's caught up in the strong currents of life's unpredictable ways. Left to himself, he doesn't seem able to find his way to solid ground, so he asks - can the ground come and meet me midstream?
Wow!
Posted by: parag_sankla May 19 2007, 10:44 PM
QUOTE(usrafian @ May 19 2007, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE(NATURE @ May 19 2007, 11:58 AM)
QUOTE(usrafian @ May 17 2007, 06:43 PM)
Gulzar : Anand/Mausam:
Har Ek Gham Nichod Ke, Har Ek Ras Jiye Do Din Ki Zindagi Mein, Hazaron Baras Jiye
waah !!! ye kisi movie ki hai ya impromptu hai ?
Pakka 'impromptu' hai
Kabhii Maang Kar Le Liye Gam Kisii Ke Kabhii Apane Gam Kar Diye Hain Paraaye Ye Bedard Yaaden Ye Hamdard Aansuu Badii Duur Tak Chhodane Saath Aaye
This is also by Gulzar Sahab but not 'impromptu'.
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aisi interview aur hai to upload kijiyegaa, preferably audio/video ...
Zaruur .
ThankU Nature Ji & Madhavi Ji for your comments on Gulzar's Chat.
From begining, Sampoorn Singh 'Gulzar', has emotionally suffered alot which is clearly expressed in his poetries/songs/stories.
I wonder , which was his 1st movie, 'Kabuliwala' or 'Bandini'.
As discussed above by Parag Ji, 'Mora Gora Ang Layee Le' was Gulzar's 1st song (Bandini) under the priceless guidance of Shailendra Mahan. I rate this song as top-most of Gulzar.
Many 'Maanjhi-songs' are written by various great lyricist like Majrooh's-'Sun Mere Bandhu Re' Shailendra's-'Vahaan Koun Hai Tera' & so on but Gulzar's two 'Maanjhi Songs' are on top of ALL & will remain (I suppose)..
Ganga Aaye Kahan Se (Kabuliwala) & Janam Se Main Banjaara O Bandhu (Rahgir).
Ofcourse, rarely touched subject 'Children's song' no one can touch Gulzar !!!
USR
Uttam, first of all, thanks a ton for posting such a nice interview of Gulzar sahab. It did shed light on many aspects of his career.
It will be a great idea if we can have a thread on children's songs.
Best Regards Parag (no JI please)
Posted by: shaibaal May 20 2007, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 18 2007, 09:32 PM)
Mere Apne is a brilliant movie, it is apparently a remake of a Bengali movie. Anyone has seen it ?
which movie ? detail please.
The name of the bangla film was "Aponjon" which translated would mean 'Mere Apne'.
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 20 2007, 09:18 AM
QUOTE(Mandrake @ May 19 2007, 11:45 AM)
And what about that lovely, lovely Khushboo song, 'O maajhee re, apna kinara nadiya ki dhara hai'? Those lyrics are also awesome!! Saahilon pe behne waale kabhi suna toh hoga nahi kaagazon ki kashtiyon ka koi kinara hota nahi koi kinara maajhdhaare se mile woh apna kinara hai...
What an idea!! If any river-bank can shift to come midstream, only such a bank can be mine!!
Paaniyon mein beh rahe hain kayee kinaare toote huye raaston mein mil gayee hain sabhee sahaare chhoote huye koi sahara maanjhdhaare se mile woh apna sahara hai...
I think it so acutely expresses the anguish of a man who's caught up in the strong currents of life's unpredictable ways. Left to himself, he doesn't seem able to find his way to solid ground, so he asks - can the ground come and meet me midstream?
Wow!
Yes what a song... Jeetendra redeemed himself in Gulzar's movies...two of the great Gulzar on-the-move songs have been picturized on him... Musafir hoon yaaron and O Maanjhi Re. The third is the one picturized on Sanjeev in Namkeen "Raah pe chalte hain" not as popular but...
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 20 2007, 09:25 AM
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Gulzar seems to have a fascination with names... or at least I am fascinated by names he chooses for his characters... The Eldest is "Nimki" (Sharmila Tagore) and middle one (Shabana) is "Mitthu" and the youngest one...as they ran out of flavours..."Chinki" . Waheeda Rehman is Jyoti(Jugni). I remember in Lekin too he has this beautiful name for his beautiful ghost... Reva... wonder what it means.
Aage... movie dekho and please comment karo...
naam mein kuchh to baat hai mmuk ji. i think i like mitthu vaise nimki bhi achchhaa hai but it's too funny. lyrics ke liye dhanyawaad !!!
main movie nahi dekhi, review please ...
She flavors the movie with her name... Have not seen the movie in a long time... instead let me mention some of the scenes that stuck in my memory...
Sanjeev Kumar is uncomfortably perched on the bed and the two younger sisters are standing near the doorway just staring at him... he gets up to change the bulb that does not work, asks them to get him a stool which they obligingly do, then get him a knife(!!!) to fix the switch when he realises that the bulb is all right and finally tell him that they have not had electricity for years and then run away giggling...
Sanjeev is annoyed at the ramshackle room he has got and complains to the the guy who negotiated for him that they did not even offer him food at night and on top of it took the advance and did not bother to return him the change.
The bond between the sisters and the moments of enjoyment they share in their very restricted life is wonderfully shown in the song "Aanki Chali"...where the three of them get ready to crush the spices that they sell to the local motel... Listen to the wonderful rhythm of the song... RDB's forte...using everyday objects to produce music...they beat the spices with a long wooden pole which they push towards each other rhythmically singing that wonderful nonsense... with those teasing tougue twisters... "jhumman jhunniya..." "phool phool ke phulka" "pichak pichak pichkari"
QUOTE(NATURE @ May 19 2007, 01:28 AM)
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 18 2007, 09:32 PM)
Mere Apne is a brilliant movie, it is apparently a remake of a Bengali movie. Anyone has seen it ?
which movie ? detail please.
Mere Apne(1970)
Remake of Apanjan (1968) by Tapan Sinha who is a very respected name in Bengali Cinema...He has a long association with Hindi cinema too. His Kabuliwala(1956) got the Golden Berlin Bear award and was remade in hindi by Bimal Roy. He wrote the wonderful story of Bawarchi. He also directed a few films in Hindi, he redirected his orginial Sagina Mahato (1970) as Sagina(1973). Some other films that he directed were Safed Hanthi, Aadmi aur Aurat, Ek Doctor Ki Maut, Arjun Pandit.
To come back to Apanjan, the original had the magnificent Chhaya Devi - remember the grand old lady in Alaap who is Amitabh's teacher? - in the role that Meena Kumari did. Am attaching a picture of Chhaya Devi...
More about Mere Apne later...
Attached image(s)
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 20 2007, 09:37 AM
QUOTE(shaibaal @ May 19 2007, 10:47 PM)
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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 18 2007, 09:32 PM)
Mere Apne is a brilliant movie, it is apparently a remake of a Bengali movie. Anyone has seen it ?
which movie ? detail please.
The name of the bangla film was "Aponjon" which translated would mean 'Mere Apne'.
Oops Shaibaal missed your post...have you seen it by any chance?
Posted by: shaibaal May 21 2007, 04:19 AM
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Oops Shaibaal missed your post...have you seen it by any chance?
That's ok... your post was for more detailed anyway.
To answer your question, no I haven't had the opportunity but those that have tell me it is a great movie.
There is this song - Roz akeli aaye, roz akeli jaaye, chaand katora liye bhikharan raat - from Mere Apne that I believe was never included in the final film. Salilda, well, lifted the entire tune from a Nazrul Geeti (as the songs of Kazi Nazrul Islam are referred to) - 'meghla nishi bhorey, mon je kemon korey'. The funny thing is that one of the more popular recordings of this bangla song is in the voice of Kumar Sachin Dev Burman (!) Just an interesting trivia that I thought I would mention.
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 21 2007, 08:54 AM
QUOTE(shaibaal @ May 20 2007, 05:49 PM)
There is this song - Roz akeli aaye, roz akeli jaaye, chaand katora liye bhikharan raat - from Mere Apne that I believe was never included in the final film. Salilda, well, lifted the entire tune from a Nazrul Geeti (as the songs of Kazi Nazrul Islam are referred to) - 'meghla nishi bhorey, mon je kemon korey'. The funny thing is that one of the more popular recordings of this bangla song is in the voice of Kumar Sachin Dev Burman (!) Just an interesting trivia that I thought I would mention.
Shaibaal,
That song by Lata is so beautiful...how interesting that that SDB sang that Nazrul Geet... would love to hear that version... (anyone??? ... and if one is that much of a purist then it could be u/d in the SDB section... )
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 21 2007, 09:01 AM
Okay googled for the song with "nazrul" thanks to Shaibaal and came across some more interesting trivia on "Roz Akeli Aaye". The song was not used in the film as it was supposed to be sung by Meena Kumari and she was so ill that it could never be shot. Gulzar refused to have the song in the film as a background song so it was not included...
Two stanzas of the song were released but there were actually three stanzas. Apparently Gulzar released the song in one of his compilations and this one had a different stanza along with the common one. The compiled song is uploaded in the salilda.com site that was created by his ardent fan Gautam Choudhury.
Here is the compiled version of the song... (the first stanza is missing in most available copies of the song...)
Roj akeli aaye re roz akeli jaye Chand katora liye bhikharan raat
Motiyon jaise taare aanchal mein hain saare(2) Haye re phir kya maange bhikharan raat... Roj akeli...
Jogan jaisi laage na soye na jaage(2) Bani gali mein jaye bhikharan raat... Roj akeli...
Roj lagaye phera hai koi nanha savera(2) God mein bhardo aayi bhikharan raat... Roj akeli...
Gulzar and raat and chand are old friends... here he gives a very definite twist to the usual romantic imagery used in hindi songs for raat and chand... Raat as a "bhikaran" with the chand as her "begging bowl"...
Posted by: shaibaal May 29 2007, 02:52 AM
QUOTE
how interesting that that SDB sang that Nazrul Geet... would love to hear that version... (anyone??? ... and if one is that much of a purist then it could be u/d in the SDB section... )
Just posted the song here. I have only got a 32 kbps version I am afraid but the sound is not too bad. I know Asha Bhonsle has also recorded the same song in bangla but I do not have a copy of the same. Enjoy!
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 29 2007, 09:15 AM
Shaibaal,
Thank you for the prompt upload... in the past week I badgered another group for this song... and got the SDB version and have been listening to it ever since. Beautiful rendition... So now for some further demands... how about a translation of the song and some info on Nazrul geeti(your source will not be revealed... )... Most of the web information on Nazrul geeti end up giving basically biographical details about Kazi Nazul Islam.
On another note... did not know it had been sung by AB too (wonder who provided the music), I was told that Manna Dey also sang a version of the same song. The "Main Albeli" track from Buzdil is also based on this song (source:Srinivas).
Posted by: usrafian May 29 2007, 11:21 AM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 21 2007, 09:01 AM)
Okay googled for the song with "nazrul" thanks to Shaibaal and came across some more interesting trivia on "Roz Akeli Aaye". The song was not used in the film as it was supposed to be sung by Meena Kumari and she was so ill that it could never be shot. Gulzar refused to have the song in the film as a background song so it was not included...
Two stanzas of the song were released but there were actually three stanzas. Apparently Gulzar released the song in one of his compilations and this one had a different stanza along with the common one. The compiled song is uploaded in the salilda.com site that was created by his ardent fan Gautam Choudhury.
Here is the compiled version of the song... (the first stanza is missing in most available copies of the song...)
Roj akeli aaye re roz akeli jaye Chand katora liye bhikharan raat
Motiyon jaise taare aanchal mein hain saare(2) Haye re phir kya maange bhikharan raat... Roj akeli...
Jogan jaisi laage na soye na jaage(2) Bani gali mein jaye bhikharan raat... Roj akeli...
Roj lagaye phera hai koi nanha savera(2) God mein bhardo aayi bhikharan raat... Roj akeli...
Gulzar and raat and chand are old friends... here he gives a very definite twist to the usual romantic imagery used in hindi songs for raat and chand... Raat as a "bhikaran" with the chand as her "begging bowl"...
I protest for 'Roz Akeli Aaye' song.
I have seen ‘Mere Apne’ very next day, when it was released, I still remembers this movie for
-‘Roz Akeli Aaye’ song picturised on Meena Kumari but can’t remember whether the song was in background OR by Meena Kumari but the song was very much there. (perhaps, later on it may have been removed, if so then why !?!? )
-The other song ‘Koii Hota Jisko Apna Hum Apna Keh Lete Yaaro’ ,remained head-hunting for quit long period.
-Handsome young Vinod Khanna
-Young ‘khoonkhaar’ Shatru having cut mark near his lips
-Thaki-Thaki Sii Meena Kumari
- College students ‘Gang War’ (I was newbie in college hence it had made strong IMPACT in memory)
It was a emotional movie.
After seeing the movie, I remarked -‘Gulzar’ a dangerous entity.
Next his movie I have seen was ‘Masoom’. My God !!!. After seeing this movie, I noted down in my diary(after few months, of course it took months to came out of his trauma) – Not to see his movie again.
Bhoole-Bhatke, Doston Ne ‘Mousam’ dikha di. Haaye Rabba !!! Bhai Sahab, Kaan Pakad Ke Uthak-Baithak Ki, Teen Dafaa, Sapney Mein Bhi Gulzar Movie Nahin Dehkoonga.
And you know, I have seen Aandhi on Chhaya Geet (TV). I mean the song & for me , it was almost equal to see whole movie. The song was..
Tere Bina Zindagi Se Koii Sikwa To Nahin…
& ‘the killer’ dialogues inserted in between
Sanjiv Kumar: Suno Arti, Ye Jo Phulon Ki Belen Nazar Aati Hain Na Ye Darasal Arabi Main Aayaten Likhii Huyi Hain. Inhe Din Ke Vaqt Dekhna Bilkul Saaf Nazar Aati Hain. Din Ke Vaqt Ye Paani Se Bharaa Rahataa Hai. Din Ke Vaqt.. Ye Jo Phuvvaare Hain.....
Suchitra Sen: Kyon Din Ki Baaten Kar Rahe Ho. Kahaan Aa Paauungi Main Din Ke Vaqt
Sanjiv Kumar: Ye Jo Chaand Hai Na Ise Raat Main Dekhnaa... Ye Raat Main Nikaltaa Hai..
Suchitra Sen: Ye To Roj Nikaltaa Hogaa
Sanjiv Kumar: Haan Lekin Kabhii Kabhii Amaavas Aa Jaati Hai. Waise To Amaavas 15 Dinon Ke Baad Aati Hai Lekin Is Baar Bahut Lambi Thhii
Suchitra Sen: Nau Baras Lambi Thhii Naa..
Sitar takes over as another awkward silence builds up in moments....
Jee Main Aata Hai Tere Daaman Main Sar Chhupa Ke Hum Rote Rahen ,Rote Rahen
Bhai-Logo, Mere Jaise Aadmi Ke Liye Itna Hi Dose Kafee Hai Agar theater Main Film Dekhta to Stretcher par hi Baahar Aata.
Later on, many friends asked me to see his other light movies, like Parichay, Khoobsurat etc, but I said -NO, Uski Hansee main bhi rona chhupa hota hai hence not seen openly (chori-chori chupke-chupke dekh hi letaa hoon, bina dekhe bhi nahin rahaa jaata na. Haan, dekhta huun par instalment mein, thoda abhi toda baad mein. Eksaath digest nahin kar pataa huun) exception was 'bawarchi' [One of, 'Hatimtai Ke saat sawaal' .. Ek Baar Dekha Hai Phir Dekhne Ki Tamnna Hai .]
‘Khamoshi’ ke baare main to filhaal khamosh hi rahaa jaaye to achha hai.
USR
Posted by: mmuk2004 May 29 2007, 06:14 PM
USR ji,
That was straight from the heart... aapka andaaz-e-bayan padh kar maza aa gaya.... I am surprised about your info about the song being included in the movie... most of the write-ups on the song mention that it was not included. Have a dvd that definitely does not have the song, but that naturally does not prove anything, I have a dvd of Namkeen that has chopped off two songs and the ending and made it completely different!!!
Yes, one of my first impressions of Mere Apne was that both Vinod Khanna and Shatrughan looked so young... and it is a movie about youth...
Meena Kumari, despite the annoying wig and the bad make-up was, I thought, brilliant in the movie. She is an old lonely widow who lives in the village and is suddenly remembered by a very distant nephew who takes her to the city professing that he is concerned about her loneliness but in reality is in dire need of a maidservant who will look after his son as both the husband and wife go out to work. Meena Kumari brought up on old world values goes to the city and very soon realises the equation...
I remember some scenes so vividly in the movie. The wife Sumita Sanyal is getting ready to go to work and is trying to shrug off her irritation at Meena Kumari's interference... At this point Meena Kumari is vocally showing her disapproval of short hair and pants that modern working women wear...complaining that one cannot distinguish men from women nowadays... and then suddenly the scene shifts to years ago when her husband (Deven Verma) who used to work for the Nautanki and often played female roles is dressing up for the play and is adjusting his wig and saree with professional care... and Meena Kumari bursts into giggles of fond memories... Talk about gender-benders... The scene is handled so deftly by Gulzar(I do want to see the original), picking up a very common point of conflict and manages to build empathy for the old woman who comes across as so much more broadminded even while she is annoyingly old-fashioned... Baghban despite some emotional moments when one sneaked and wiped a tear(cursing Amitabh Bachchan!!!) was so melodramatic and didactic and quite unpalatable logically...
On the other hand there are these two warring bands of unemployed youth who have nothing better to do but get involved in street fights and who are exploited by the political parties for their own agenda... Shunned and feared by the rest of the colony, they and Meena Kumari forge an unlikely bond which is not too treacly and over-the-top... Kudos to the director again. The movie builds to its tragic climax with so much inevitability... her death is so meaningless and her body being taken away by the municipal van is mourned only by the shocked group of young people who watch it helplessly...
Posted by: usrafian May 30 2007, 10:18 AM
ThankU Madhavi Ji for your comment .
Very nice description of theme behind 'Mere Apne'.
Let's wait for 'mesmerising spell' from our magician-the great (about Gulzar's poetry, he had mentioned) !!!
Aadtan Tumne Kar Diye Vaade, Aadtan Humne Aitbar Kiya .
USR
Posted by: shaibaal May 31 2007, 10:42 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 28 2007, 11:45 PM)
Shaibaal,
Thank you for the prompt upload... in the past week I badgered another group for this song... and got the SDB version and have been listening to it ever since. Beautiful rendition... So now for some further demands... how about a translation of the song and some info on Nazrul geeti(your source will not be revealed... )... Most of the web information on Nazrul geeti end up giving basically biographical details about Kazi Nazul Islam.
On another note... did not know it had been sung by AB too (wonder who provided the music), I was told that Manna Dey also sang a version of the same song. The "Main Albeli" track from Buzdil is also based on this song (source:Srinivas).
SD's version is indeed wonderful. About translations, what you need is a poetic one and not the literal one - and I don't have the necessary skills with the language - actually any language.
I am a huge fan of Nazrul Geeti. Unlike his illustrious contemporary, he had very modest means. The language of his poetry therefore is not of the same (for want of a better word) 'class' but more down to earth. Works for me! Also, he used almost 200 ragas for his compositions and also invented a few of his own. There is more - but maybe I should start a thread in the Bangla section with a few of my favorites....
SD's version is indeed wonderful. About translations, what you need is a poetic one and not the literal one - and I don't have the necessary skills with the language - actually any language.
I am a huge fan of Nazrul Geeti. Unlike his illustrious contemporary, he had very modest means. The language of his poetry therefore is not of the same (for want of a better word) 'class' but more down to earth. Works for me! Also, he used almost 200 ragas for his compositions and also invented a few of his own. There is more - but maybe I should start a thread in the Bangla section with a few of my favorites....
Shaibaal,
Thank you for the link for the Asha version... the tune's been jazzed up a bit... I prefer the SDB version.
Please, please do start a thread on Nazrul Geeti in the Bangla forum... would love to listen to some of your favorites along with a little bit of a write-up for the uninitiated...like me...
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 1 2007, 08:30 PM
Can someone please post the lyrics of "Haal Chal Theek Thaak Hai"
Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 1 2007, 08:38 PM
I have a question on Gulzar's Aandhi movie. I thought this movie was banned during Indira Gandhi's emergency era. When the movie reappeared, did they cut out any songs or scenes?
Hari Ram
Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 1 2007, 08:41 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 1 2007, 10:00 AM)
Can someone please post the lyrics of "Haal Chal Theek Thaak Hai"
MMUK2004,
Here is the Mere Apne song lyrics. I haven't verified it's accuracy.
haal chaal Thiik Thaak hai, sab kuchh Thiik Thaak hai ##B.A.## kiyaa hai, ##B.A.## kiyaa, lagataa hai vo bhii ay.nvay.n kiyaa kaam nahii.n hai varanaa yahaa.N aap kii du_aa is sab Thiik Thaak hai
aab\-o\-havaa aab\-o\-havaa desh kii bahut saaf hai kaayadaa hai, kaanuun hai, inasaaf hai allaah miyaa.N jaane koii jiye yaa mare aadamii ko khuun vuun sab maaf hai aur kyaa kahuu.N, chhoTii moTii chorii rish{}vat khorii detii hai apanaa guzaaraa yahaa.N aap kii du_aa se baakii Thiik Thaak hai
gol mol roTii kaa pahiyaa chalaa \- 2 piichhe piichhe chaa.Ndii kaa rupaiyaa chalaa roTii ko bechaarii ko chiil le gayii (oh terii) chaa.Ndii le ke mu.Nh kaalaa kauvaa chalaa aur kyaa kahuu.N, maut kaa tamaashaa chalaa hai betahaashaa, jiine kii furasat nahii.n hai yahaa.N aap kii du_aa se baakii Thiik Thaak hai ##(very good)##
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 1 2007, 08:53 PM
QUOTE(Hari Ram @ Jun 1 2007, 10:08 AM)
I have a question on Gulzar's Aandhi movie. I thought this movie was banned during Indira Gandhi's emergency era. When the movie reappeared, did they cut out any songs or scenes?
Hari Ram
Hari Ram ji,
Please call me Madhavi... okay googled and got this from a site:
QUOTE
Before Aandhi was banned during emergency by then govt (congress) it showed Suchitra Sen's character smoking and having a drink. Upon it's next release Gulzar was forced to cut these scenes. Gulzar needs to release the original version restoring all those cuts.
Here is a cut and paste from P1j's post in HF on Gulzar's Aandhi:
‘Do you have any idea of sur and taal?’ How aandhi got its songs - Gulzar [Published in Latest Filmfare]
Time for a flashback once again. Since November 6 marks the 20th death anniversary of Sanjeev Kumar, I’ve chosen one of Sanjeev’s and my favourite films, Aandhi, as the topic of this month’s conversation.
In a way, Sanjeev and I grew up together. I knew him from his early National Theatre days. I was associated with IPTA (Indian People’s Theatre Association) and we’d often meet while rehearsing at the Bhulabhai auditorium in Mumbai. Sanjeev had played the old man in All My Sons, with Leela Chitnis playing his wife, and he must have been just 22 or 23 when he played the character. The best compliment he received was from Prithviraj Kapoor who asked him after the show, “Who was that old man?†Sanjeev was thrilled that the thespian himself hadn’t recognised him.
As far as I was concerned, Sanjeev Kumar was born an old man for me and he played a role much beyond his age the very first time he worked with me, in Parichay. If you’ve observed, his age group and costumes were almost the same in both Mausam and Aandhi. And yet how differently he portrayed the two characters. This is something budding actors must learn from him —changing a costume is not enough to play a different character.
So how did Aandhi come about? The story started with J Om Prakash, who wanted to make a film with Sanjeev Kumar and Suchitra Sen. He asked me to direct it. Sachin Bhowmick, who’d written the story, narrated it to me, in the presence of Sanjeev Kumar and Omji. But I felt the heroine’s role didn’t do justice to Suchitraji’s talent. I told them, if this is the story you want to make, there’s no need to trouble Suchitraji. Any actress could do the role. To my pleasant surprise, Sachinda agreed with me.
The question then arose: What should we make? I told them I’d think about a story. And came up with a synopsis revolving around a politician who arrives at a hotel to discover the hotel manager is her estranged husband. To begin with the husband is very traditional, conservative. He doesn’t like his wife going out to work. But towards the end, he realises his mistake. So when the wife tells him she wants to give up her career, he tells her, “No, you have a duty to the nation. I don’t want to see you defeated—at home or outside it. I’m there with you.†The change in the husband drives the point home that a woman has as much right to go out as the man.
Contrary to popular opinion, my story wasn’t based on Indira Gandhi’s life. It had nothing to do with Indiraji. She was just the role model for the lady politician. Frankly, who better could there be? She was such a dynamic lady.
But one theatre publicised the movie with the line, “See the Prime Minister of India.†Filmfare published a photograph of that theatre and a controversy erupted. The Emergency was on and the movie was banned in its 23rd week. I was in Moscow with the print of the film when I got the news. We tried our best to get the ban revoked and J Omji pursued the matter relentlessly.
We were then asked to make a few changes in the movie. It was suggested that the protagonist, ie Suchitraji, should declare in the film that she’s a great fan of Indiraji’s. So the scene was added on, to make it clear that Suchitraji isn’t Indira Gandhi. And we got it passed by Indiraji’s government.
But Indira Gandhi lost the elections soon after. Some people asked me to revert to my original movie. But I said, it’s just a matter of time before she comes back. And that’s exactly what happened—she was back after two years.
One interesting aspect that was brought to my notice after the movie was ready was that there’s just one female character in the entire film! There’s a mention of her daughter but you never see her. I hadn’t realised that, Omji hadn’t, even the actors hadn’t!
But Sanjeev Kumar complained, “Yaar, every time I hear your script, you tell me it’s my film, but when I see the movie, to heroine ki hoti hai.†But I personally thought the movie belonged to both Sanjeev and Suchitra. If the story is about a husband and wife, how can it be just the wife’s story? I remember that when Meghna was making Filhaal, several heroes rejected the movie because they felt pregnancy is a woman’s problem. How can pregnancy be a woman’s problem without a man being involved? Similarly, in Aandhi, it’s just that the woman is the cause of conflict, so it seems as if the focus is on her.
The music of Aandhi was a big high for Pancham and me. In the song Is mod se jaate hain kuch sust kadam raste, there’s a line Patthar ki haveli ko sheeshe ke gharondon mein, tinkon ke nasheman tak. After he’d composed the song, I found Pancham deep in thought. Suddenly, he asked me, “Gullu, where is this nasheman?†He thought it was the name of some place that the roads led to. I had to tell him that nasheman meant a ghosla or nest. Cut to when we were shooting the song. This time it was Sanjeev’s turn to ask me the same question. “I’ve never had to ask the meaning of any lyrics. But what does nasheman mean?†he queried.
As for Tere bina zindagi se, it simply happened one day at Pancham’s house. I had dropped in and found him composing a tune for a Durga Pooja album with Gauri Prassano, one of Bengal’s top lyricists. The lyrics went something like Amar deri holo je. I was so struck by the tune that I just started writing Hindi lyrics for it even as they were polishing it. After Gaurida left, Pancham asked me, “Now what do you want me to compose for you?†I told him, “Yehi gaana karenge.â€
So we kept the original tune for the mukhda, and he composed something else for the antara. But when I inserted some dialogue into the lyrics, Pancham scolded me, “Do you have any idea of sur and taal? You cut in with your dialogue anywhere you want. It’s not done!†But we did it!
Lyrics >>>> of Tere bina zindagi se Tere bina zindagi se koi shikwa toh nahin, shikwa nahin, shikwa nahin, shikwa nahin Tere bina zindagi bhi lekin zindagi toh nahin, zindagi nahin, zindagi nahin, zindagi nahin
Tere bina. zindagi se koi shikwa toh nahin...
Kaash aisa ho tere kadamon se Chunke manzil chalein, aur kahin, door kahin—2 Tum agar saath ho, manzilon ki kami to nahin Tere bina zindagi se koi shikwa toh nahin, shikwa nahin shikwa nahin, shikwa nahin
Ji mein aata hai tere daman mein Sar chupake hum rote rahen, rote rahen—2 Teri bhi aankhon mein aansooyon ki nami toh nahin
Tere bina zindagi se koi shikwa toh nahin...
Tum jo keh do to aaj ki raat Chaand dubega nahin, raat ko rok lo—2 Raat ki baat hai aur zindagi baki toh nahin Tere bina zindagi se koi shikwa toh nahin...
Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 1 2007, 09:33 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 1 2007, 10:23 AM)
QUOTE(Hari Ram @ Jun 1 2007, 10:08 AM)
I have a question on Gulzar's Aandhi movie. I thought this movie was banned during Indira Gandhi's emergency era. When the movie reappeared, did they cut out any songs or scenes?
Hari Ram
Hari Ram ji,
Please call me Madhavi... okay googled and got this from a site:
QUOTE
Before Aandhi was banned during emergency by then govt (congress) it showed Suchitra Sen's character smoking and having a drink. Upon it's next release Gulzar was forced to cut these scenes. Gulzar needs to release the original version restoring all those cuts.
Here is a cut and paste from P1j's post in HF on Gulzar's Aandhi:
Sure, hence forth I will remember your first name. My user name is one of those that doesn't carry a 'ji'.
Thanks for fetching the article on Aandhi so quickly. After you mention about the female character's smoking and drinking scenes, I recollect some parts of the movie. A few years ago, I watched this movie from a VCD. I don't recollect seeing Suchitra Sen smoking or taking liquor. But there is scene where Sanjeev Kumar jokingly asks her if she would like a Coca Cola. Then the scene leads to a flash back of Suchitra Sen having a DUI accident.
Hari Ram
Posted by: Mandrake Jun 2 2007, 11:41 AM
Is mod se jaate hain.... is loosely based on a poem written by Gulzar. It is said that the poem was written more in quiet angst than happiness. It was the time when his relationship with Rakhee was strained.
Us mod pe baitha hoon jis mode se jaati hain har ek taraf raahen...
Ik roz toh yoon hoga jis mod pe baitha hoon us mod pe aakar tum ruk jaaogi, keh dogi woh kaunsa raasta hai jis raah se jaana hai...
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 7 2007, 10:39 AM
QUOTE(Hari Ram @ Jun 1 2007, 11:03 AM)
Thanks for fetching the article on Aandhi so quickly. After you mention about the female character's smoking and drinking scenes, I recollect some parts of the movie. A few years ago, I watched this movie from a VCD. I don't recollect seeing Suchitra Sen smoking or taking liquor. But there is scene where Sanjeev Kumar jokingly asks her if she would like a Coca Cola. Then the scene leads to a flash back of Suchitra Sen having a DUI accident.
Hari Ram
Hari Ram,
Thank you for the lyrics of "Haal chaal"...
Wow aapki memory ki daad deni hogi... Just saw parts of Aandhi again and you remembered that scene very accurately... I think Gulzar added the "blame it on coca cola" scene later on in the movie (for those who don't remember, Suchitra Sen comes in drunk into a hotel where Sanjeev is the asst. manager and he gets her a room and then has to put her in bed when she goes off to sleep in the bathroom with the taps running). Suchitra later explains to him that her coca-cola had been laced with drinks... and there is a brief flash back of an obligingly stray villain lacing her drinks... However, must say that one is rather glad that Gulzar added that scene, if it allowed him to keep the drunk scene with Suchitra and Sanjeev intact...it is such a wonderfully executed one... their first meeting...
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 7 2007, 10:45 AM
QUOTE(Mandrake @ Jun 2 2007, 01:11 AM)
Is mod se jaate hain.... is loosely based on a poem written by Gulzar. It is said that the poem was written more in quiet angst than happiness. It was the time when his relationship with Rakhee was strained.
Us mod pe baitha hoon jis mode se jaati hain har ek taraf raahen...
Ik roz toh yoon hoga jis mod pe baitha hoon us mod pe aakar tum ruk jaaogi, keh dogi woh kaunsa raasta hai jis raah se jaana hai...
Suhas,
That poem set me thinking about just how much of autobiography you can read into a work of art... I never realised it before or maybe I am reading too much into it now but it does seem that Aandhi has fairly strong autobiographical elements in in.
Went back to Aandhi after years...Sanjeev Kumar is an amateur poet in the movie a fact that crops up at various points in the movie. and then I read a comment in some review of Meghna Gulzar's book on her father (which is apparently mentioned in the book) that Gulzar's fixed routines and his "lights-out-at-ten" schedule had provoked Rakhee to say "Agar aap shayar na hote to bade hi ordinary hote"
Check this out...
Suchitra on the phone listening to Sanjeev's recitation...wonderful love scene laced with just the right blend of realism and humor that comes alive in the perfect inflections brought to it by Sanjeev and Suchitra.
Sanjeev: Aao tumko utha loon kandhon par Tum uchak kar shareer hothon se Choom lena ye chand ka matha...
Aaj ki raat dekha na tumne Kaise jhuk jhuk ke kohiyon ke bal Chand itna kareeb aaya hai...
Suchitra:Beautiful..wonderful.. Sanjeev: acchi hai na Suchitra:Bahut hi acchi hai Sanjeev:Pata hai... jab tum achha kehti ho... to bahut hi accha lagta hai. Suchitra:Tumhari saath ye kavita na hoti na, to tum bahut hi ordinary aadmi hote. Sanjeev:Kaise na hoti... barah saal ka tha jab mushairon mein padhna shuru kiya tha
(Btw, this "barah saal ki umr mein kar liya tha" is Sanjeev's pet brag line in the movie...)
Suchitra:Tumne Saare kaam barah saal ke umr mein kar liye the Sanjeev: Haan saare kaam barah saal ke umr mein kar liye the...siwaye shaadi ke... Suchitra: Woh kyun nahin kiya... Sanjeev:Tum jo nahin mili warna woh bhi kar leta... Suchitra:Bach gaye tum... nahin to kunware hi reh jaate...
This scene leads to the other classic duet of Aandhi
Tum Aa Gaye Ho Noor Aa Gaya Hai Nahin to charagon se lau ja rahi thi Jeene ki tumse vajah mil gayee hai Badi bevajah zindagi ja rahi thi
Kahan se chale kahan ke liye Ye Khabar nahin thi magar Koi bhi sira jahan ja mila Wohin tum miloge Ki hum tak tumhari dua aa rahi thi
Din duba nahin raat dubi nahin Jaane Kaisa hai safar Khwabon ke diye aankhon mein liye Wahin aa rahe the Jahan se tumhari sada aa rahi thi
Tum aa gaye ho...
All the three magnificent duets of Aandhi are redolent with an intense sense of regret, of loss...not just the "Tere Bina Zindagi Se" song but even the two other songs that are used as romantic duets... For some reason I have always been disappointed with the picturization of the songs..."Ke hum tak tumhari dua aa rahi thi..." such an evocative song... beautifully sung and beautifully composed... seems rather wasted when used in a very ordinary way with Suchitra and Sanjeev strolling along some ruins or mountains with sundry, close-up shots of flowers or an eagle circling the sky...Similarly with the "Is mod Se Jaate Hain" song... the lyrics of the song are somewhat sombre "Ye soch ke baithi hoon/Ik raah to woh hogi/Tum tak jo pohachti hai... " similar in tone with the poem really (Ik roz toh yoon hoga/jis mod pe baitha hoon/us mod pe aakar tum/ruk jaaogi). It fits rather uncomfortably in the movie as a romantic duet...
While it is silly to look for exact parallels from Gulzar's life in Aandhi, the movie is heavy with the sense of a regret about a relationship gone wrong. The regret is expressed in the lyrics and dialogues and not really explored analytically in the movie...and for some reason the brouhaha over Aandhi's political parallels with Indira Gandhi's life mutes these other more personal parallels with Gulzar's life.
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 12 2007, 12:20 PM
Jahan Tum Le Chalo (1999) Vishal Bharadwaj
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi.mp3 Suresh Wadkar 128/3.10
Gulzar's musings on Life... Kabhi Chand Ki Tarah tapki, kabhi raah mein padi paayi atthani si zindagi...
The page is dying on me...will upload the rest of the album later.
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 12 2007, 01:16 PM
Here are the lyrics of the song... could not catch some of the words though...
Kabhi Chand ki tarah tapki Kabhi Raah Mein Padi paayi Attanni Si Zindagi ye zindagi Kabhi Cheenk Ki tarah Khanki Kabhi Jeb Se Nikal Aayi Attani Si Zindagi...
Kabhi Chehre Pe Jadi Dekhi Kahin Mod Pe Khadi Dekhi Sheeshe ke martbano(?) mein Dukano Pe Padi Dekhi Chaukanni Si Zindagi Ye Zindagi...
(?) Laga Ke Milti Hai Masoomiyat Se Khilti Hai Kabhi (?) haath mein lekar Shakhon Pe Baithi Hilti Hai Nahni si Zindagi yeh zindagi
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 12 2007, 07:16 PM
Uploading the rest of the songs
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Gary Lawyer).mp3 128/4.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Yeh Kaisi Chaap(Lata_SureshW).mp3 128/5.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Thak Gayee Ho To(Lata_Suresh).mp3 128/4.41 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Shauq Khwab Ka(Lata).mp3 128.4.04 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Dekho To Aasman(Suresh).mp3 128/5.46 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi(Suresh).mp3 128/3.10
Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 12 2007, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 02:46 AM)
Here are the lyrics of the song... could not catch some of the words though...
Kabhi Chand ki tarah tapki Kabhi Raah Mein Padi paayi Attanni Si Zindagi ye zindagi Kabhi Cheenk Ki tarah Khanki Kabhi Jeb Se Nikal Aayi Attani Si Zindagi...
Kabhi Chehre Pe Jadi Dekhi Kahin Mod Pe Khadi Dekhi Sheeshe ke martbano(?) mein Dukano Pe Padi Dekhi Chaukanni Si Zindagi Ye Zindagi...
(?) Laga Ke Milti Hai Masoomiyat Se Khilti Hai Kabhi (?) haath mein lekar Shakhon Pe Baithi Hilti Hai Nahni si Zindagi yeh zindagi
Madhavi,
Thanks for these songs. I am not familiar with this song; but happened to have the lyrics.
I have the questionable words as follows: 'Sheeshe ke martbaanon' 'tamage lagaake milte hai ...' 'kabhi phool haath mein lekar ...'
Hari Ram
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 12 2007, 08:16 PM
QUOTE(Hari Ram @ Jun 12 2007, 09:40 AM)
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 02:46 AM)
Here are the lyrics of the song... could not catch some of the words though...
Kabhi Chand ki tarah tapki Kabhi Raah Mein Padi paayi Attanni Si Zindagi ye zindagi Kabhi Cheenk Ki tarah Khanki Kabhi Jeb Se Nikal Aayi Attani Si Zindagi...
Kabhi Chehre Pe Jadi Dekhi Kahin Mod Pe Khadi Dekhi Sheeshe ke martbano(?) mein Dukano Pe Padi Dekhi Chaukanni Si Zindagi Ye Zindagi...
(?) Laga Ke Milti Hai Masoomiyat Se Khilti Hai Kabhi (?) haath mein lekar Shakhon Pe Baithi Hilti Hai Nahni si Zindagi yeh zindagi
Madhavi,
Thanks for these songs. I am not familiar with this song; but happened to have the lyrics.
I have the questionable words as follows: 'Sheeshe ke martbaanon' 'tamage lagaake milte hai ...' 'kabhi phool haath mein lekar ...'
Hari Ram
Thanks Hari Ram for your prompt response. You seem to have quite an eclectic fund of knowledge.
Madhavi
Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 12 2007, 08:26 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 09:46 AM)
Thanks Hari Ram for your prompt response. You seem to have quite an eclectic fund of knowledge.
Madhavi
You are welcome Madhavi. The knowledge is not in me, but inside my computer.
Hari Ram
Posted by: anjvajay Jun 14 2007, 12:34 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 07:16 PM)
Uploading the rest of the songs
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Hariharan).mp3 128/4.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Yeh Kaisi Chaap(Lata_SureshW).mp3 128/5.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Thak Gayee Ho To(Lata_Suresh).mp3 128/4.41 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Shauq Khwab Ka(Lata).mp3 128.4.04 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Dekho To Aasman(Suresh).mp3 128/5.46 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi(Suresh).mp3 128/3.10
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Gary Lawyer)
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 14 2007, 08:15 PM
Thanks Anjvajay just corrected the info.
A shift from "modern" Gulzar to early Gulzar and one of his signature songs...
Song: Hamne dekhi hai in aankhon ki mehakti khushboo. Film: Khamoshi (1969) Singer: Lata Music: Hemant Kumar Lyrics: Gulzar
Hamne dekhi hai un aankhon ki mehekti khushboo Haath se chooke ise rishton ka ilzaam na do Sirf ehsaas hai ye rooh se mehsoos karo Pyar ko pyar hi rehne do koi naam na do
Pyar koi bol nahin pyar awaaz nahin Ek khamoshi hai sunti hai kaha karti hai Na ye bujhti hai na rukti hai na thehri hai kahin Noor ki boond hai sadiyon se baha karti hai Sirf ehsaas hai ye rooh se mehsoos karo Pyar ko pyar hi rehne do koi naam na do Hamne dekhi hai...
Muskurahat si khili rehti hai aankhon mein kahin Aur palkon pe ujale se chupe rehte hain Hont kuch kehte nahi kaapte hoton pe magar Kitne khamosh se afsane ruke rehte hain Sirf ehsaas hai ...
Am recycling a couple of older posts from another forum:
QUOTE
Bawlachintu
Bimal Roy's assistant, Asit Sen remade his Bengali hit movie -Deep Jele Jaye (1959) - ten years later in Hindi as Khamoshi. Waheeda Rehman plays the central character of the nurse working in a hospital for the mentally disturbed. Hemant Kumar was the music director for both the Hindi and the Bengali versions. In this Lata solo, the scenes shifts between Waheeda travelling in a taxi and the actress in the radio station actually singing the song. This song not only talks of the 'fragrance of the eyes' but also talks of having seen it. How does one see fragrance? IMO the same way one smells the sounds of "silence".
Very well put BC. Gulzar's extreme romanticism, love as pure emotion, "haath se chuke use rishton ka ilzaam na do". Was in love with the song for ever. It is very difficult to distance oneself from such a song, love as "khamoshi", receptive, hesitant, passionate, on the verge of being spoken... The song conjures up such incredible images.
However, as you mention, in the movie the scene shifts between the actress singing the song and Waheeda Rehman which creates a distance between the extreme romanticism of the song and the consequences of love on the three main characters in the movie. The song may not have ironical overtones but the way it is used in the movie(it is the title song of the movie), it cannot but underline the tragic irony of the situation. Love has such disastrous consequences in the movie, it is so self-centered, destructive, pushing people into the the dark world of insanity...
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 23 2007, 12:48 PM
Ek Hi Khwab Kai Baar Dekha Hai Maine Kinara(1977)
Ek hi khwab kai baar dekha hai maine Tune saari mein udas li hai meri chabhiyan...ghar ki Aur chali aayi hai bas yunhi mera haath pakad kar Ek hi khwab kai baar dekha hai maine....
Tikku...
Mej par phool sajate hue dekha hai kai baar(2) Aur bistar se kai baar jagaya hai tujhko Chalte phirte tere kadmon ki woh aahat bhi suni hai Ek hi khwab kai baar dekha hai maine
Ye Chitthi hai ya kavita Abhi tak to kavita hai
Gungunati hai nikli hai nahake jab bhi(2) Apne bheege hue baalon se tapakta pani Mere chehre pe chitak deti hai...tu tikku ki bachhi Ek hi khwab kai baar..
Tash ke patton pe ladti hai kabhi kabhi khel mein mujhse (2) Aur kabhi ladki bhi hai ke bas khel rahi hai mujhse Aur aagosh mein nanhe ko liye... Will you shut up...
Aur janti ho Tikku jab maine ye khwab dekha tha Apne bistar pe mein us waqt pada jaag raha tha...
Here is the video link of the song on YouTube:
One of my favorite songs... the intimacy is so vividly captured in the lyrics, the score, the singers and the pair enacting the scene... Fits in beautifully in the movie... Dharmendra is Hema's fiance who is tragically killed in an accident by Jeetendra. Inspite of Jeetendra's love (and the movie is definitly the love story of Hema and Jeetendra)... Hema is trapped in the past and does not want to come out of it and the song is a revelation of the passion and harmony of that past relationship which is contrasted with the jarring sets of circumstances that the relationship between Jeetendra and Hema is built upon and Gulzar's genius is to show the beauty and passion in both ... What a gorgeous movie it was... supported by Pancham's incredible score. Each song in the album is a gem.
RD always grumbled affectionately about this song and the "Mera Kuch Samaan Song" as two of the most eccentric tracks that he had to compose for Gulzar...Note the guitar strumming in the song... by Bhupinder...
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 23 2007, 12:48 PM
Found a very informative interview in which Gulzar talks in detail about the song... am pasting that article here posted in Pancham yahoo groups by Vinayak...
Subject: Gulzar talks about Ek hi Khwaab - Filmfare April 2005 List-id: <pancham.yahoogroups.com>
Lo, Chaabiyan aa gayeen Pancham Always had the last word
I'd always wanted to write songs that could be part of the narrative, or in the form of a scene that could be set to music. Generally speaking, songs are treated like item numbers in Hindi movies. The story pauses for the song and then continues till the next song arrives. I wanted to do something different.
Ek hi khwab kayee baar dekha hai maine from Kinara was one such experiment. Though it never set a trend, it was well appreciated. It's not a song, it's a scene that has been shot musically. It has lines like, 'Tiku ki bacchi, will you shut up?'
When I took Ek hi khwab to Pancham, his first reaction was, "Kya hai yeh... gaana hai ya scene hai?" I told him, "Yeh scene hai, par isse gaana hai." At which, he smacked his forehead in exas- peration and exclaimed, "Koi kaam seedha nahin karta hai."
After much grumbling, he deigned to read the song. He'd just reached the second line when his frown deepened. The line was Tune sari mein uddas li hain meri chaabiyan ghar ki. He pushed away his harmonium and started off again, "Is this a song? Chaabiyan koi poetry hoti hai?" Every time he hummed the tune, he'd stop at chaabiyan, grumble some more and request me to change the word. But I was adamant. He tried his best to make me change my mind but I didn't budge.
(For a long time after that, he'd address me as Chaabiyan. Every time I entered his music room, he'd go, "Lo, Chaabiyan aa gayeen." And after that incident, he'd get after me whenever I used an unusual word. Which was quite often.)
The song was recorded in Hema Malini's and Bhupinder's voices. Now Hema is very surili; she really sings well. And every time she'd sing her lines, Bhupi would get upset. When he couldn't hold back any longer, he burst out, "She's too good, yaar!"
(I'd seen something similar happening between Manna De and Meena Kumari in Pinjare Ke Panchi. He wouldn't say anything to her but he'd come up to me and the sound recordist and complain, "Yaar, it's very difficult to sing in front of her. Main unko dekhoon, ya unse baat karoon, ya gaana gaoon?
After we recorded Ek hi khwab, Pancham decided he wanted to add to the song. So he just handed Bhupi a pair of headphones and told him to strum his guitar spontaneously. Would you believe it; Bhupi did it in one take. He asked for another take but Pancham felt the first was perfect. That's why I always say that Pancham always had the last word. He knew his job and you couldn't question him.
Next came the picturisation. The song was supposed to be a flashback in the film and we wanted a star for a guest appearance. I was a little embarrassed to ask Hema Malini to put in a word with Dharmendra. Though their romance was already in the air, they were still hush-hush about it and were still in the we-are-just-friends stage. But when we were discussing the names of actors we could approach, she surprised me by asking shyly, "Why my friend cannot play that role?"
She didn't have to name him; you could read his name written all over her face. So I called up Dharmendra and he agreed to do the role right then, on the phone. I remain grateful to him for that; it was such a beautiful gesture. I think he liked working with me, because one day he asked me, "Kya guest role hi karvaoge mujhse? " I told him we'd work together and offered him the title role in Devdas. It was the role of a lifetime. Unfortunately the movie was shelved after two schedules. I still feel he was the best choice for that role. I never worked with him ever again. My dream of working with Dharmendra ended there. Bas ek hi khwab kayee baar dekha maine...
Posted by: Talaikya Jun 23 2007, 06:54 PM
Goosebumps all over the place!!! Thank you
Posted by: bawlachintu Jun 23 2007, 10:03 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 23 2007, 12:48 PM)
RD always grumbled affectionately about this song and the "Mera Kuch Samaan Song" as two of the most eccentric tracks that he had to compose for Gulzar...Note the guitar strumming in the song... by Bhupinder...
Bhupendar written all over the song. Thanks Madhavi for the article. The chemistry between Garam-Dharam and Hema is joy to watch(specially in films like Charas, Kinara, Azaad, Naya zamana)
Posted by: bawlachintu Jun 24 2007, 05:29 PM
Audio of " Ek hi khwab"
Gulzar ki commentary free
Film: Kinara Singer: Bhupendra Commentary: Gulzar
128/44.1 Duration: 8.11 min
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Posted by: bawlachintu Jun 24 2007, 05:48 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ May 18 2007, 04:31 AM)
QUOTE(bawlachintu @ May 17 2007, 07:40 AM)
Could sumone post lyrics of "Anki chali banki chali", please
Ek gali se jhumman nikle Ek gali se jhuniya Beech sadak pe ho gayi saari Bhaad mein jaaye duniya Jhoom jhoom ke jhoomke naache Jhuniya Nache Jhuniya bai Sau sau phere leve jhumman Khoob baji shehnai... Aanki chali...
Jhumman ke ghar beti janmi Jhuniya jaise gaal Mooch marod ke nikle Jhumman Ja pahunche sasural(2) Baat Baat Pe Khansi Bole Paani Mange Aag(?) Pyase mar gaye Jhumman miya Par na chhodi taap Aanki chali...
Jeem Se Jhumman Jheem Jalebi... Jhumman Jhunniya Jeem Har litti(?) ki patti padke Jhumman hue hakeem Phool phool ke phulka phule Pichak pichak pichkari Nimki lave katha chuna Mithhu Paan Supari Aanki chali...
Aaki chali baaki chali
BC you owe me for this one...had to play the song ten times at least to catch all the words... Your comments please...
Sorry Madhavi. Nazar der se padi.
Thanks for the lyrics. Song is a feather in his cap. He didn't write many folk songs/songs based on folklores and tales earlier.
Master ji ki chitthi (Kitaab) is a song of different genre.
He gradually slipped into the mould of Versatile Lyricist. Good example. He tried to remain a poet always, though.
(We are not including new songs in the discussion.)
Khud se baatein karte --- Maya memsaab -- a rarely explored song. If someone can provide the lyrics and the meaning, I would appreciate. Thks.
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jun 28 2007, 06:54 PM
Maya Memsaab (1992)
khud se baatein karte rehna Baatein karte rehna Aankhen moonde din mein meethi Raatein bharte rehna
Khudse kehna jaati hoon main Khudse kehna aayi main Aisa bhi to hota hai na Behki si tanhai mein Tanhai mein tasveeron ke Chehre bharte rehna...
Bheege bheege mausam mein kyun Bharkha pyaasi lagti hai Jee to khush hota hai lekin Ek Udasi rehti hai Ay we hi bas roothi khud se Ay wein man se(?) rehna...
Ketan Mehta's uneven film based on Flaubert's Madame Bovary. As often happens with adaptations, comparisons are inevitable. The story is about a bored house-wife with an overly romantic sensibility (in the novel she is shown as reading "romances" and Ketan Mehta innovatively changes it to Deepa Sahi's obsession with Hindi films). However, the book which is a sympathetic yet unrelenting critique of the romantic sensibility as well as an exposure of the emptiness of provincial life is sort of lost in the film which indulges in romantic and lush picturizations of Maya's dreams... I am not sure that using Gulzar as the lyricist of the movie was a strength or not...
In the song Maya's loneliness is evident but the perceptions (barkha pyaasi, tanhai mein tasveeron ke chehre bharte rehna...etc etc) seem more Gulzarish than the character's. And the same goes for the other superb songs in the movie... they don't fit with the character IMO...
A request: There is a short song in the movie by HMangeshkar: "Maya Jaagi Chhaya jaagi" . Could someone upload it please? TIA
Posted by: G.Nabee Jun 28 2007, 09:42 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 28 2007, 09:24 AM)
Maya Memsaab (1992)
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A request: There is a short song in the movie by HMangeshkar: "Maya Jaagi Chhaya jaagi" . Could someone upload it please? TIA
Thanks so much ! Love this song... am enjoying it right now "Saj ke solah singaar/Chali sapno ke sapno ke paar/maya laagi... beautiful...
Posted by: OMkar Jul 21 2007, 01:16 AM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 07:16 PM)
Uploading the rest of the songs
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Gary Lawyer).mp3 128/4.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Yeh Kaisi Chaap(Lata_SureshW).mp3 128/5.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Thak Gayee Ho To(Lata_Suresh).mp3 128/4.41 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Shauq Khwab Ka(Lata).mp3 128.4.04 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Dekho To Aasman(Suresh).mp3 128/5.46 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi(Suresh).mp3 128/3.10
Ooooooooooooo Maaadhavijiiiii, Yeh Kya Kar Diya Aapne???? Itna Achha Ganaa Upload Kar Diya??? Kyon????? Oh, thank u soooo much much!!
Posted by: anjvajay Jul 21 2007, 04:03 AM
QUOTE(OMkar @ Jul 21 2007, 01:16 AM)
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 07:16 PM)
Uploading the rest of the songs
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Gary Lawyer).mp3 128/4.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Yeh Kaisi Chaap(Lata_SureshW).mp3 128/5.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Thak Gayee Ho To(Lata_Suresh).mp3 128/4.41 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Shauq Khwab Ka(Lata).mp3 128.4.04 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Dekho To Aasman(Suresh).mp3 128/5.46 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi(Suresh).mp3 128/3.10
Ooooooooooooo Maaadhavijiiiii, Yeh Kya Kar Diya Aapne???? Itna Achha Ganaa Upload Kar Diya??? Kyon????? Oh, thank u soooo much much!!
Omkarji, Gul chaho to niklo shoo-e-'Gulzar' kabhi-kabhi Hardam na sahi, magar aye mare yaar kabhi-kabhi
Posted by: anjvajay Jul 21 2007, 03:54 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 07:16 PM)
Uploading the rest of the songs
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Gary Lawyer).mp3 128/4.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Yeh Kaisi Chaap(Lata_SureshW).mp3 128/5.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Thak Gayee Ho To(Lata_Suresh).mp3 128/4.41 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Shauq Khwab Ka(Lata).mp3 128.4.04 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Dekho To Aasman(Suresh).mp3 128/5.46 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi(Suresh).mp3 128/3.10
Madhavi, Omkarji ne 'Jahan Tum Le Chalo' ki taraf dhyan khicha to maine ise fir se suna aur paya ki 'Thak Gayee Ho To' solo hai Suresh ki aawaz me, aur 'Yeh Kaisi Chaap' solo hai Vishal ki arddhangini(Rekha Bharadwaj) ki aawaz me.
Gulzar ne ek interview me 'Shauq Khwab Ka' ke Rekha version ka zikr kiya tha. Any chance?
Posted by: usrafian Jul 21 2007, 04:18 PM
QUOTE(anjvajay @ Jul 21 2007, 04:03 AM)
Omkarji, Gul chaho to niklo shoo-e-'Gulzar', kabhi-kabhi. Hardam na sahi, magar aye mare yaar, kabhi-kabhi.
Bahut Khoob anjvajay Ji.
Aapne Bhi Tou Kucch Anmol Moti Bikher Rakhe Hain Apne Thread(on) Main.
Inaam Sahab Ek Gulzar Ki Kavita Ke Baare Mein Keh Rahe Thhey, 'Shaayed Ye Ho, Shaayed Ye Hi Hogi' (Gulzarish-Style Main )
Subahaa-Subahaa Ek Khwaab Ke Dastak Par, Darwazaa Khola, Dekha, Sarhad Ke Us Par Se Kucch Mehmaan Aaye Hain, Aankhon Se Mayuus Thhey Saare, Chehere Saare Sune-Sunaaye.
Potali Mein Mehman Mere, Picchli Faslon Ka Guud Laaye Thhey, Aankh Khul To Dekha, Ghar Mein Koii Nahin Thaa, Haath Lagaa Kar Dekha , To Tandoor Abhi Takk Buujha Nahin Thaa, Aur Onthon Par Mitthe Guud Ka Zayeka, Ab Takk Chhipak Rahaa Thaa.
Khwaab Thaa Shaayed. Khwaab Hi Hoga. Shab Par Sunaa Hai Kal Raat Chhali Thi Goli, Sarhad Par Sunaa Hai, Kucch Khwaab Masood(?) Hua Hai.
Gulzaar Sahab Ki Awaaz Mein Bhi suno...
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USR
Posted by: anjvajay Jul 21 2007, 05:09 PM
QUOTE
Kucch Khwaabon Ka Khoon Hua Hai.
Shukriya USRji, Ye nazam Gulzar ki sabse behtar nazmon me se ek hai. Khud Gulzar ko apni ye nazm behad pasand hai. Sach puchhiye to ye Gulzar ki aawaz me nahin balki insaani rooh ki us aawaz me hai jo kabhi sarhadon me qaid nahin huyi.
QUOTE
Inaam Sahab Ek Gulzar Ki Kavita Ke Baare Mein Keh Rahe Thhey
Shayad aap Aastha wali nazm ke baare me kah rahe hain lekin ye wo nahin hai.
Posted by: anjvajay Jul 21 2007, 10:56 PM
QUOTE(Mandrake @ May 17 2007, 11:45 AM)
Here's a list of Gulzar's movies (as a lyricist) - 1955 SWAMI VIVEKANAND 1961 KABULIWALA 1963 BANDINI 1965 PURNIMA 1966 BIWI AUR MAKAN 1960 Do Dooni Chaar 1966 SANNATA 1968 Aashirwaad 1968 Rahgir 1970 KHAMOSHI 1971 ANAND 1971 GUDDI 1971 SEEMA 1971 Mere Apne 1972 ANUBHAV 1972 PARICHAY 1974 DOOSRI SITA 1975 AANDHI 1975 KHUSHBOO 1976 MAUSAM 1977 GHARONDA 1977 KINARA 1977 PALKON KI CHHAAON MEIN 1977 SHAQUE 1977 Khatta Meetha 1978 DEVTA 1978 GHAR 1979 GOLMAAL 1980 GRAH PRAVESH 1980 SITARA 1980 SWAYAMVAR 1980 THODI SI BEWAFAI 1981 BASERA 1981 GEHRAYEE 1981 NARAM GARAM 1982 ANGOOR 1982 NAMKEEN 1983 MASOOM 1983 Sadma 1984 TARANG 1985 Ghulami 1986 Jeeva 1986 EK PAL 1987 Jaliyan Wala Bagh 1991 LEKIN 1993 Maya Memsaab 1993 Rudaali 1996 Maachis 1997 Chachi 420 1997 Daayra 1999 Hu Tu Tu 1999 Jahan Tum Le Chalo 2000 Fiza 2005 Bunty Aur Babli 2006 Omkara
Anand Niketan ? (early) Diler Hasina ? (v early)
Okay, edited as per Hum Tum and Madhavi's inputs.
Suhasji, 1955 ki 'Swami Vivekananda' ke geet Gulzar ke nahin the. Ye nineties ki 'Swami Vivekananda' thi jis ke geet Gulzar ne likhe the.HMV ne jo iska audio release kiya tha uspar 1998 darz hai. Isme Gulzar ke char geet hain.
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jul 21 2007, 11:12 PM
QUOTE(anjvajay @ Jul 21 2007, 05:24 AM)
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 07:16 PM)
Uploading the rest of the songs
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Gary Lawyer).mp3 128/4.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Yeh Kaisi Chaap(Lata_SureshW).mp3 128/5.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Thak Gayee Ho To(Lata_Suresh).mp3 128/4.41 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Shauq Khwab Ka(Lata).mp3 128.4.04 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Dekho To Aasman(Suresh).mp3 128/5.46 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi(Suresh).mp3 128/3.10
Madhavi, Omkarji ne 'Jahan Tum Le Chalo' ki taraf dhyan khicha to maine ise fir se suna aur paya ki 'Thak Gayee Ho To' solo hai Suresh ki aawaz me, aur 'Yeh Kaisi Chaap' solo hai Vishal ki arddhangini(Rekha Bharadwaj) ki aawaz me.
Gulzar ne ek interview me 'Shauq Khwab Ka' ke Rekha version ka zikr kiya tha. Any chance?
Ajay,
Just checked the "Thak Gayee Ho" song, it is not a duet but a solo. I got all the song info from Ultra-India and had not checked against the songs. No, I am afraid I don't have the Rekha solo.
Madhavi
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jul 21 2007, 11:22 PM
QUOTE(usrafian @ Jul 21 2007, 05:48 AM)
QUOTE(anjvajay @ Jul 21 2007, 04:03 AM)
Omkarji, Gul chaho to niklo shoo-e-'Gulzar', kabhi-kabhi. Hardam na sahi, magar aye mare yaar, kabhi-kabhi.
Bahut Khoob anjvajay Ji.
Aapne Bhi Tou Kucch Anmol Moti Bikher Rakhe Hain Apne Thread(on) Main.
Inaam Sahab Ek Gulzar Ki Kavita Ke Baare Mein Keh Rahe Thhey, 'Shaayed Ye Ho, Shaayed Ye Hi Hogi' (Gulzarish-Style Main )
Subahaa-Subahaa Ek Khwaab Ke Dastak Par, Darwazaa Khola, Dekha, Sarhad Ke Us Par Se Kucch Mehmaan Aaye Hain, Aankhon Se Mayuus Thhey Saare, Chehere Saare Sune-Sunaaye.
Potali Mein Mehman Mere, Picchli Faslon Ka Guud Laaye Thhey, Aankh Khul To Dekha, Ghar Mein Koii Nahin Thaa, Haath Lagaa Kar Dekha , To Tandoor Abhi Takk Buujha Nahin Thaa, Aur Onthon Par Mitthe Guud Ka Zayeka, Ab Takk Chhipak Rahaa Thaa.
Khwaab Thaa Shaayed. Khwaab Hi Hoga. Shab Par Sunaa Hai Kal Raat Chhali Thi Goli, Sarhad Par Sunaa Hai, Kucch Khwaab Masood(?) Hua Hai.
Gulzaar Sahab Ki Awaaz Mein Bhi suno...
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USR
USRji
Thank you for the beautiful lyrics, have not read much of Gulzar's poetry apart from his film lyrics. My loss...thank you for uploading this particular one which seems very close to his heart. Did not realise that he wrote so directly about these themes. Any idea when this one was written? Please do write down some more if you have them handy.
Madhavi
Posted by: anjvajay Jul 21 2007, 11:42 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jul 21 2007, 11:12 PM)
QUOTE(anjvajay @ Jul 21 2007, 05:24 AM)
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 12 2007, 07:16 PM)
Uploading the rest of the songs
Jahan Tum Le Chalo - You Face(Gary Lawyer).mp3 128/4.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Yeh Kaisi Chaap(Lata_SureshW).mp3 128/5.08 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Thak Gayee Ho To(Lata_Suresh).mp3 128/4.41 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Shauq Khwab Ka(Lata).mp3 128.4.04 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Dekho To Aasman(Suresh).mp3 128/5.46 Jahan Tum Le Chalo - Atthanni Si Zindagi(Suresh).mp3 128/3.10
Madhavi, Omkarji ne 'Jahan Tum Le Chalo' ki taraf dhyan khicha to maine ise fir se suna aur paya ki 'Thak Gayee Ho To' solo hai Suresh ki aawaz me, aur 'Yeh Kaisi Chaap' solo hai Vishal ki arddhangini(Rekha Bharadwaj) ki aawaz me.
Gulzar ne ek interview me 'Shauq Khwab Ka' ke Rekha version ka zikr kiya tha. Any chance?
Ajay,
Just checked the "Thak Gayee Ho" song, it is not a duet but a solo. I got all the song info from Ultra-India and had not checked against the songs. No, I am afraid I don't have the Rekha solo.
Madhavi
Madhvi, Shayad kisi aur meharbaan dost ke pass nikal aaye.
'Jahan Tum Le Chalo' ke release hone ke kuchh hi dino baad ye interview Times Of India me publish huwa tha. 'Gulzaronline' se copy-paste:
QUOTE
The Songs has become something you consume instantly Gulzar Tells Chatura Rao
Immaculate in his legendary white kurta pyjama and white jooties, he looks older than you expect.
But once Gulzar begins to address you in his well modulated voice, the impression of age magically disappears. You are enveloped instead by the presence of a legend - a man who began with SD Burman and decades later, has composed to A R Rahman's path breaking new age music; aman who has been honoured with seven national awards for his skills in screenplay, direction and lyrics; and has moved you with his films, Aandhi, Ijaazat,Mausam, Maachis...
The venue is a colourful wood-panelled room in Boskiana, his bungalow. The time of day, a dark, mansoon evening. The idea? To read more into his recent lyric release, the songs of a small, but interesting first film, Desh Deepak's Jahan Tum Le Chalo.
The film casts Nirmal Pandey and Sonali Kulkarni and music by Vishal Bhardwaj. Excerpts:
In the last couple of years, you've worked with Mani Ratnam on Dil Se on one hand, and with Desh Deepak, a newcomer, on the other. How do you select your films?
The subject is the major attraction. I dont care how big or small the scale of the film, as long as it has something unusual to say. Jahan Tum... seemed a clean film, and I liked Desh's approach.
I've worked on many 'firsts' : Ramesh Sippy's Andaaz, Prakash Jha's Hip Hip Hurray, Kalpana Lazmi's Ek Pal, Ramesh Sharma's New Delhi Times, Bhimsen's Gharonda,shekhar Kapoor's Masoom....
Speaking of Desh Deepak's 'first' then, the song 'Aththanni Si Zindagi' seems to stand out
The lyrics of the song complement its lilting melody and beat. The song is about life's spontanaeity. But more lasting, I think, will be the song Jhooth Bolta Hai Roz Roz Aaina, sung by Lataji and then again by Rekha Bhardwaj. It has more depth.
You've teamed up with Vishal regularly since you first worked with him on the theme song of the serial, 'Daane Anaar Ke'. What is so special about his music?
I was responsible for giving him his first feature film break - we did Maachis together. He brought melody back into music when there was only beat. In Jahan Tum... too, it's his melody that holds you.
Dil Se was your first venture with AR Rehman. It was a succesful liaison - the album stands out from among the year's offerings. But did this kind of music undercut your lyrics?
Certainely not. The music and lyrics in all the songs make the journey together - neither overtakes the other. Rehman's music like Vishal's, will survive. It has both a classical and folk quality that are deeply attached to the soil. All the songs in Dil Se have a sufiana feel. Rehman has broken the conventional format of the sng, bringing it closer to blank verse, free verse. (Pauses) I would like to work again with him.
Who is your favourite music director of all time?
R D Burman, of course. We joined the film industry together, he assisting S D Burman, and I, as assistant to Bimal Roy. We got our first break almost at the same time, worked and grew together. There will never be anyone quite like him
You've Worked with several generations of music directors. How has the place of the lyric changed down the ages?
Well the standards of poetry have dropped along with the deterioration of values in today's world. The song has become some thing you consume instantly I believe this instant quality in songs will pass.
Will music always be dear to the Indian Audience?
Music has a natural place in our lives. Right from the shlok you recite in your morning puja and the milkman who comes whistling on his cycle, to the fakir singing as he begs for alms and your mother humming around the kitchen...music fills our spaces naturally. it will always be dear to us.
Posted by: jairaj Jul 26 2007, 05:52 AM
I missed Roz Akeli AAye Roz Akeli Jaaye Can someone please upload for me Thanks in anticipation.
Posted by: mmuk2004 Jul 26 2007, 09:34 PM
QUOTE(anjvajay @ Jul 21 2007, 01:12 PM)
Speaking of Desh Deepak's 'first' then, the song 'Aththanni Si Zindagi' seems to stand out
The lyrics of the song complement its lilting melody and beat. The song is about life's spontanaeity. But more lasting, I think, will be the song Jhooth Bolta Hai Roz Roz Aaina, sung by Lataji and then again by Rekha Bhardwaj. It has more depth.
You've teamed up with Vishal regularly since you first worked with him on the theme song of the serial, 'Daane Anaar Ke'. What is so special about his music?
I was responsible for giving him his first feature film break - we did Maachis together. He brought melody back into music when there was only beat. In Jahan Tum... too, it's his melody that holds you.
Will music always be dear to the Indian Audience?
Music has a natural place in our lives. Right from the shlok you recite in your morning puja and the milkman who comes whistling on his cycle, to the fakir singing as he begs for alms and your mother humming around the kitchen...music fills our spaces naturally. it will always be dear to us.
Ajay, here are the lyrics of "Jhooth Bolta Hai" Jahan Tum Le Chalo
Shauk khwab ka hai aur neend aaye na Jhooth bolta hai roz roz aaina
Saans jo sulagti hai(2) To aankh jalti hai Kya pata ye dil ki hai ya meri galti hai Kisko main mana karoon dua(?) udaye na Jhooth bolta hai...
Nukhta cheen hai dil mera(2) mujhe sukoon nahin Main kahoon ke yoon to dil kahe ke yun nahin Jaanti hoon sab magar samajh mein aaye na Jhooth bolta hai
Thoughful lyrics again...when Gulzar does not become too fanciful, his lyrics seem so descriptive of the cotrariness of real emotions as it is here... "Main kahoon ke yun to dil kahe ke yun nahin/Janti hoon sab magar samajh mein aaye na" or for that matter "saans jo sulagti hai/to aankh jalti hai" . Lata's voice does not sound too great though and it would indeed be interesting to hear a fresh voice singing this song. From the reviews of the film it seems however that the film was pretentious and boring... what a terrible combination!!!
Posted by: anjvajay Jul 26 2007, 10:38 PM
QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jul 26 2007, 09:34 PM)
QUOTE(anjvajay @ Jul 21 2007, 01:12 PM)
Speaking of Desh Deepak's 'first' then, the song 'Aththanni Si Zindagi' seems to stand out
The lyrics of the song complement its lilting melody and beat. The song is about life's spontanaeity. But more lasting, I think, will be the song Jhooth Bolta Hai Roz Roz Aaina, sung by Lataji and then again by Rekha Bhardwaj. It has more depth.
You've teamed up with Vishal regularly since you first worked with him on the theme song of the serial, 'Daane Anaar Ke'. What is so special about his music?
I was responsible for giving him his first feature film break - we did Maachis together. He brought melody back into music when there was only beat. In Jahan Tum... too, it's his melody that holds you.
Will music always be dear to the Indian Audience?
Music has a natural place in our lives. Right from the shlok you recite in your morning puja and the milkman who comes whistling on his cycle, to the fakir singing as he begs for alms and your mother humming around the kitchen...music fills our spaces naturally. it will always be dear to us.
Ajay, here are the lyrics of "Jhooth Bolta Hai" Jahan Tum Le Chalo
Shauk khwab ka hai aur neend aaye na Jhooth bolta hai roz roz aaina
Saans jo sulagti hai(2) To aankh jalti hai Kya pata ye dil ki hai ya meri galti hai Kisko main mana karoon dhuwan udaye na Jhooth bolta hai...
Nukhta cheen hai dil mera(2) mujhe sukoon nahin Main kahoon ke yoon to dil kahe ke yun nahin Jaanti hoon sab magar samajh mein aaye na Jhooth bolta hai
Thoughful lyrics again...when Gulzar does not become too fanciful, his lyrics seem so descriptive of the cotrariness of real emotions as it is here... "Main kahoon ke yun to dil kahe ke yun nahin/Janti hoon sab magar samajh mein aaye na" or for that matter "saans jo sulagti hai/to aankh jalti hai" . Lata's voice does not sound too great though and it would indeed be interesting to hear a fresh voice singing this song. From the reviews of the film it seems however that the film was pretentious and boring... what a terrible combination!!!
Madhvi, lirycs ke liye shukriya. Film maine dekhi nahin aur reviews par mai hamesha bahut bhrosa nahin karta isliye mere liye film ke baare me kuchh kahna mumkin nahin hai. 'Jahan Tum Le Chlo' ke baare me hi nahin Gulzar ke saare geeton ke baare me Sanskrit poetics ki jaban me kahoon to ye ki wo 'Ras' ke nahin 'Vakrokti' ke poet hai.
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Lata's voice does not sound too great...
Bachiye! Lataji ke fan danda lekar aa rahe hain...
Posted by: bawlachintu Oct 8 2007, 09:01 PM
Ek akela is shehar mein
Film: Gharonda Music: Jaidev Voice:Bhupendra
Duration: 5.04 Specs: 128/44.1
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Posted by: pinky Oct 8 2007, 09:27 PM
QUOTE(bawlachintu @ Oct 8 2007, 09:01 PM)
Ek akela is shehar mein
Film: Gharonda Music: Jaidev Voice:Bhupendra
Duration: 5.04 Specs: 128/44.1
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Thanks a lot
Posted by: HarshBhatt Oct 13 2007, 07:28 PM
Guddi (1971)
Actors : Amitabh Bachchan, Ashok Kumar, Dharmendra, Jaya Bachchan, Sunita sanyal, Vijay Sharma Director : Hrishikesh Mukherjee Lyrics : Gulzar Music Director : Vasant Desai Producer : Sippy N C Singer : Vani Jairam Theme : Family Drama Year : 1971
1.Bol Re Papihara 03:35
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2.Hari Bin Kaise Jivoon Re 03:29
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3.Hum Ko Man Ki Shakti Dena 04:29
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Posted by: mannu kumar Feb 12 2008, 02:27 PM
hi you have uploaded the songs of jahan tum le chalo and very very thanks for that as i have searched the whole internet for the it and is availabel nowhere except here. i have very special memory associated with the song.... well but can u tell me how to download the song tee seem to be link
Posted by: savitarajan Feb 13 2008, 12:47 PM
Hi,
Amitabh is not seen in this movie. He was in the cast initially and i think did a few shots too. Hrishida had wanted a new face for the hero and had to cast Sumit Sanyal (correction)since Anand got released earlier.
FYI
Savita
QUOTE(HarshBhatt @ Oct 13 2007, 08:28 PM)
Guddi (1971)
Actors : Amitabh Bachchan, Ashok Kumar, Dharmendra, Jaya Bachchan, Sunita sanyal, Vijay Sharma Director : Hrishikesh Mukherjee Lyrics : Gulzar Music Director : Vasant Desai Producer : Sippy N C Singer : Vani Jairam Theme : Family Drama Year : 1971
1.Bol Re Papihara 03:35
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2.Hari Bin Kaise Jivoon Re 03:29
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3.Hum Ko Man Ki Shakti Dena 04:29
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Posted by: mmuk2004 Mar 21 2008, 06:32 AM
Masoom (1982)
Huzoor is kadar bhi na itra ke chaliye Khule aam aanchal na lehra ke chaliye
Koi manchala gar pakad lega aanchal Zara sochiye aap kya keejiyega Laga de agar badh kar zulfon mein kaliyan To kya apni zulphein jhatak deejiyega...
Badi dil nasheen hain hasee ki ye ladiyan Ye moti magar na bikhraya keejye Uda ke na le jaye jhonka hawa ka Lachakta badan yun na lehraya keejye
Bahut khoobsurat hai har baat lekin Agar dil bhi hota to kya baat hoti Likhi jaati phir dastaan-e-mohabbat Ek afsane jaisi mulakat hoti
Sophisticated flirting... gorgeous song and superb lyrics... The affluent buisness man Naseer is partying at a close friend's(Saeed Jaffrey) house and they are both slightly drunk reminscing about their youth. They sing together teasing Shabana(Naseer's wife) who is both amused and annoyed... note the subtle interplay of moods in the song. Shekhar Kapoor, when he manages to finish any movie makes it so nuanced, in the case of Masoom, I find it superior to the original book, Man, Woman and Child.
Gulzar is superb in his use of "aap" ...remember his "Aap ki aankhon Mein kuch...and aap ki badmashiyan." The song moves forward in suggestive playful threats, that flatter the girl...umm....as long as it is not realised .
Koi manchala gar pakad lega aanchal Zara sochiye aap kya keejiyega Laga de agar badh kar zulfon mein kaliyan To kya apni zulphein jhatak deejiyega...
When finally Shabana is annoyed, note the bantering, beautiful lines...
"Bahut khoobsurat hai har baat lekin Agar dil bhi hota ko kya baat hoti..."
Note the use of tabla, unusual always for Pancham, with the wonderful guitar and is that a santoor in the pauses? I wonder if Bhupendra also played the guitar for the song.
Check out the vid... saw it after a long time... it has not dated one little bit.
Posted by: mmuk2004 Apr 5 2008, 10:27 PM
Lekin(1991)
Kesariya baalma, o ri Bawri bole log Na main jiuti na mariyo main Birha mharo rog re Bawri bole log, log re...
Chadte din ki aanch batorun Til til, til til sab jal jaun Dhalte sanjh ki rakh kuredun Ret mein sab ral jaye, sab ral jay Na mil payi na bichadi main Kaiso ye sanjog re Bawri bole log re...
Maaru thal ki laambi chhaiyyan Nis din, nis din kuch likh jaun Mero sandeso koi suna jo Jis ko wo, jis ko wo, dikh jaye Preet ko dekhen nagri wale Peed na dekhen log re Bawri bole log re...
The song (based on 'rag' maand) plays with the opening credits of the film and sets its tone. A soul trapped between life and death, unable to escape.... "Na main jevti na mariyo main/birha mharo rog re/bawri bole log." And the last stanza captures the poetry of the entire movie...in the long shadows of the desert, I write something everyday... if someone could hear my message they would see it... "Preet ko dekhen nagri wale/peed na dekhen log re," they do not see the pain behind the romance... the entire movie is about this, a soul trapped in pain, and the man who relives that experience entrapped by it in his turn...
Posted by: mmuk2004 Apr 5 2008, 10:29 PM
Love this movie...it is a confused hotch potch of all kinds of theories of parapsychology, rebirth and ghost literature. But it works...or, at for me, it did. It is a movie full of implausible suggestions, but they are so evocative that they hold you enthralled, enriched by a rather barren, alien landscape of sharply etched sandunes, a gorgeous Dimple, holding you with her pain-filled eyes, those fascinating songs and a story that comes alive through Gulzar's dialogues that are a wierd mix of modern pragmatism and extreme romanticism.
Vinod Khanna is a government officer in the archeological department, who is fascinated with antiques. The movie begins with him fiddling with an old lock and key forgetting everything in his concentration. He is sent to a remote village in Rajasthan to evaluate and restore an old building, and on the train he is cautioned by a traveller not to cut his nails... it invites ghosts, he warns Khanna. The next shot has Dimple who seems to have arrived from nowhere in his compartment and who disappears rather mysteriously. (yes, I know, typical bhoot elements of hindi films... but you have to see Dimple's expression and that train as it pulls to a stop at a remote station in the middle of the night...I am reminded so strongly of those old days when we would travel as students and the train would sometimes stop at a remote station in the middle of the night and we would get glimpses of places we would never see again.)
The next shot is sharply realistic, he meets up with an old college friend (Amjad Khan) who is the local big wig, an IAS officer who is pretty much in charge of the village. Vinod Khanna stays at at the guest house and at Amjad's place, the casual scenes thrown in between their interactions... reveal so much detail. Gulzar, quietly shows a Hindu-Muslim couple, and the perfect harmony in which they live. Amjad reads his namaz and Bina Rai(?) is heavily decked up as a traditional Hindu married woman sporting a big bindi. Wish the movie had more of Amjad, he is lives the role of an IAS officer in a small village, who is familiar with the territory and is experienced in handling difficult situations...It is such a non-dramatic role which Amjad plays with an extremely nuanced ease.
to be contd.
Posted by: mmuk2004 Apr 5 2008, 10:33 PM
Part 1: Lekin (with the Kesariya song)
and Part 2:
Posted by: saagarmenon May 10 2008, 08:49 PM
IS there is better quality of the hapy version of dil dhoondtha hai available?