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post Aug 15 2004, 03:25 AM
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BTW Unni in all this maine apne matlab ki ek cheez dhoond li in Ur post---mnetion of an Asha song Zindagi ke rang kayi re--yeh kaunsa gana hai? UL it pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee

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Oh ya how silly of me doh.gif --could not place it at that time. Ya I have the song.
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Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxtenok!! maaaaaaaaaaafi de do sad1.gif I hadnt read ur review earlier sad1.gif

Bahut badiya likha hai aap ne.. Now I need to download some of the samples.. (kal subeh i will do the needful, when the naya bandwidth ka status patah chalega smile1.gif).

I have most of the numbers.. ab I have to take out the mp3 cd I had picked up of KSL and TM recently, and see if I have all of these..

My fast paced favourite number is the duet with Lata. Solo mein, I love Raat ne kya kya khwaab dikhaaye.. beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT is really ages since I heard a TM number cry.gif(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( grrrrrr I should blame myself for lissening to radiocity which mostly hosts the recent trashy ones :EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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ps: I shall write my side of write up for each of the samples smile1.gif))))))))))))))))))))))))

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post Aug 17 2004, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE (extenok @ Aug 7 2004, 06:11 PM)
A Review of Talat Mahmood in Concert
-Royal Albert Hall


Opinions/views expressed in this post are entirely my own, and are not to be construed as those of the site www.HamaraForums.com. I am not a music critic in any way, not having received any sort of musical training or musical education. I come to you equipped with two good listening ears. I'm simply a humble fan of Talat Mahmood.



Getting a once in a lifetime chance of being in the presence of a legend is indeed an honour. And the honour doesn't come cheap. True fans of Talat sahab's work, haven't been perturbed by the costs of this Live CD, which is being offered for the past few months now on his official website. Talat sahab's son, Khalid Talat Mahmood, is kind enough to put up rare, famous & non-film songs, all free of cost on the Velvet Voiced Wonder's website. This website "www.talatmahmood.com" probably receives visitors in the thousands, at least on a monthly basis. So, even after more than 35 years of his prime, Talat sahab's work is being appreciated, distributed, collected & revered by numerous fans throughout the world.

Related Websites:
Official Website- www.talatmahmood.com
Order CD- Talat Mahmood In Concert, Royal Albert Hall- Order CD



1. Hain Sabse Madhur Woh Geet Jinhein Ham Dard Ke Sur Mein Gaate Haen
Album- Patita
Year- 1953
M.D- Shankar Jaikishan
Lyrics- Shailendra
Duration- Original Version 3:55, Concert Version 3:47


I love Shankar Jaikishan's composition on the original song. My opinion has remained that live performances are more enjoyable if the artists can liven up the atmosphere. Fortunately or unfortunately for Talat sahab, his major share of popular songs are sad songs. This one not being an exception to that fact. The musical accompaniment's live performance sounds rather flat with some instruments missing, which reduces the general effect of the song. Maybe, if the singer took charge, this could've been a more powerful number. Talat sahab's live rendition is not very remarkable here. But, he does seem to try and break the mould at the end of the song. And, indeed, does receive thundering applause. So, maybe the effect of actually being at the concert is lost upon a listener.


2. Tasveer Tera Dil Mera Behla Na Sakay Gee
Album- Non Film
Year- 1944
M.D- Kamal Das Gupta
Lyrics- Faiyyaz Hashmi
Duration- Original 1944 Version ?:??, 1967's Version 3:13, Concert Version 3:25


This is not the first time for avid listeners of Talat sahab to listen to the combination of Faiyyaz Hasmi's words and Talat's voice. According to the official website, there have been fifteen other occasions when Faiyyaz Hashmi's words have been sung by Talat sahab. Some of the other Non-Film songs with these two and Kamal Dasgupta in the Music Director position are, Main Teri Chhabi Banaoonga, Sab Din Ek Saaman Nahin Tha, Soe Hue Hain Chand Aur Taare and Choudhvi Manzil Pe Zaalim Aagaya. Indeed, the combination is a good one. Lamenting his lover's absence, unable to be satisfied with a portrait of her, one hears touching lyrics as these,

Yeh Aankhein Haen Thehri Hui, Chanchal Woh Nigaahein
Yeh Haath Haen Sehmaye Hue, Aur Mast Woh Baahein
Parchaayein To Insaan Ke Kaam Aa Na Sakay Gee
Tasveer Teri Dil Mera Behla Na Sakay Gee


Talat mentions the popularity of this number saying, "Yeh gaana 1944 mein maine record kiya tha, aur aaj tak ussi tareekay se bik raha hae jaisay pehlay bika tha." When you listen to the concert version, vocally you won't feel a difference between the Talat sahab of 1967 and of that day. The only difference is in the first shaer that Talat sahab doesn't repeat for some reason,

(Mein Baat Karuun Ga To Yeh Khamosh Rahay Gee
Seenay Sae Laga Luun Ga To Yeh Kuch Na Kahay Gee)
x1 in CONCERT, x2 in original
Aaraam Woh Kya Daegee, Jo Tarhpa Na Sakay Gee
Tasveer Teri Dil Mera Behla Na Sakay Gee


The audience applaud and whistle for an encore, Talat sahab replies saying, "Abhi buhat sae gaanay gaana hae, aur waqt bhi buhat zyaada nahi hae, to ek hee gaanay per gaarhi* atak gayee to buhat mushkil ho jaye gee..." and moves on to the next song.

*gaarhi- (car)


3. Mera Jeevan Saathi Bichad Gaya Lo Khatam Kahani Ho Gayee
Album- Babul
Year- 1950
M.D- Naushad
Lyrics- Shakeel Badayuni
Duration- Original Version 3:23, 1980's Version 3:41, Concert Version 3:27


If Naushad created the perfect tunes for the golden era of HFM, only Shakeel Badayuni could transcend the mental boundaries involved in penning lyrics that would do justice to Naushad's perfect creation. Sahir Ludhianvi and Majrooh Sultanpuri might've also contended for that position, yet one seems to feel that it was a different kind of magic altogether. The composition is gloomy & haunting, the words mesmerizing. Talat sahab's singing, doesn't necessarily shine out in the original number. In my opinion, Talat sahab has been able to put a lot more of his soulful voice, the misery and longing it epitomizes, in to the 80's version. The concert version, ranks below the 80's version, on my charts. Owing to this being a popular number, even with its shortcomings, I doubt that anyone would care. This song would be listened to just as diligently, like any other Talat song, by every faithful admirer.


N's comment: THIS ONE IS ABSOLUTELY NEW TO ME!! Wow he sounds great! grrr Imran puraa gaana kyon upload nahi kya sad1.gif



4. Mera Pyaar Mujhe Lauta Do
Album- Non Film
Year- 1940s
M.D- V. Balsara
Lyrics- Sajjan
Duration- Original Version 3:10, Concert Version 3:57


An anecdote that I would want to pass onto the readers here, someone from the audience shouts, "Mera Pyaar Mujhe Lauta Do" and Talat sahab replies, "Mein abhi lautata huun aapko, wohi maine nikaala hae lautaanay ke liye. buhat sahi waqt pe aapnay maanga, chunaachay, wohi waapis lee jiye aap, mera pyaar mujhe lauta do". Talat sahab mentions the lyricist fondly here. While also telling the musicians that the music is a little loud.

The original song is enshrouded with layer upon layer of sadness thanks to the resonance of Talat sahab's voice touching a recognizable chord in our heart. The music is fairly simple and is not once let to overcome or overpower the song. The melody is only secondary infront of the magic of the singer. It is put in the background with Talat sahab's young voice being the main force carrying this song forward. Lyrics are not the forte of this song, yet somehow this seems as a trendsetting song. The emotions and sentiments have oft been repeated since then, by many a singers following Talat Sahab's times.
The live version for me ranks much above the original. The original song seemed calm and composed. The original captured the sound & a certain hidden texture of Talat Mahmood's voice that somehow resembles that of Mohammad Rafi of the initial days. The concert version is preferred over the studio version for the simple reason that it shows growth on part of Talat Sahab as a ghazal singer.
The sound rises to a high-pitch and creates a momentary unpleasant effect at the high note touched at the Mere Sapnon Ko Lauta Do portion of the song, a very minute error. Rest assured, there are no glitches after this minor setback. And Talat sahab seems at ease throughout the song.

Thukraanay Se Pehlay Mujhko Lauta Do Woh Preet Kee Baatein
Meri Hansi, Mastiyaan Meri, Lauta Do Woh Chaandni Raatein
Mere Sapnon Ko Lauta Do, Mera Tuuta Dil Lauta Do



N's comment: I dont have this number, kya aap upload kar sakte hai.. ek aur sample hamare liye! Shukriyaa, adaab!


5. Yeh Hawa Yeh Raat Yeh Chandni, Teri Ek Adaa Pe Nisaar Hae
Album- Sangdil
Year- 1952
M.D- Sajjad
Lyrics- Rajinder Krishan
Duration- Original Version 3:17, Concert Version 3:34


Sajjad Hussain used Talat only in a few movies besides Sangdil, namely, Preet Na Jaane, Shikwa and Rustam Sohrab. This song probably being the most famous out of all of the collaborations between the two. The lyricist Rajendra Krishan's beauty lay in the simplicity of his words. Here was a poet who didn't craft prose to explain situations based on complex philosophies. The underlying theme was never forgotten, and the lyrics were always on the mark. This ballad seems so beautiful even with its cliched lyrics.

Tujhe Kya Khabar Hai O Bekhabar, Teri Ek Nazar Mein Hae Kya Asar
Jo Ghazab Mein Aaye To Qaehar Hai, Jo Ho Meharbaan To Qaraar Hai
Mujhe Kyuun Na Ho Teri Aarzuu, Teri Justujuu Mein Bahaar Hai


Here is Talat sahab, taking the audience out for an enchanted trip on a pleasant moonlit evening, with the music accentuating the voice and the lyrics providing comforting support. The concert version for me doesn't stand out in any special way. A perennial classic which will be appreciated, nevertheless.

N's comment: O yes, you are right. I juz heard the whole song... Why o why do we not get such tunes any more sad1.gif I cant wait to hear the next number. Beautiful classic number.. ham se aaya na gaya..

6. Humse Aaya Na Gaya, Tumse Bulaaya Na Gaya
Album- Dekh Kabira Roya
Year- 1957
M.D- Madan Mohan
Lyrics- Rajinder Krishan
Duration- Original Version 3:23, Concert Version 4:06


Strong melodious compositions were a hallmark of Madan Mohan. Rajinder Krishan's words strike a chord at every step. Talat sahab starts, falters for a moment, regains control and then beautifully carries the song forward. The music, as in the original, is given secondary importance. Talat sahab's voice & the wordings take centre stage.

N's comment: Absolutely a stunning tune by MM sahab! But if you ask me Imraan, almost all songs of those days did not give music too much importance, as much as for the voice, that is why these voices remain forever in our memories! Atleast I feel that way.. I am just through listening to this, but plan to hear it again. What a beautiful song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


7. Koi Nahi Mera Iss Dunya Mein, Aashiyaan Barbaad Hae
Album- Daag
Year- 1952
M.D- Shankar Jaikishan
Lyrics- Shailendra
Duration- Original Version 4:28, 1980's Version 3:03, Concert Version 2:52


A powerful song created by Shankar Jaikishan, for the lyrics, the imagery and the voice. Other hits of Talat Mahmood from this album were of course, Aye Mere Dil Kahin Aur Chal and Hum Dard Ke Maaron Ka. The song, Aye Mere Dil Kahin Aur Chal also features on this concert album. The original was like a roller coaster ride into pessimism, despair, hopelessness and misery. The lyrics, reminiscent of bitter-sweet realities of life that everyone of us has faced, at one point or another.
The original was almost 4 and a half minutes long. The concert version has been shortened to just 3 minutes. Talat sahab does not sing the following stanza,

Suukh Chukay Haen Aankhon Ke Jharnay, Luut Liya Humein Daagh-e-Jigar Ne
Phuul Nahi, Yeh Zakhm Khilay Haen, Aasmaan Sayyad Hae


The 1980's version sounds slightly better than the concert version. There is something about this classic melody that just doesn't show up in the live version. I don't claim to have a very distinguishing ear, so, my only thoughts on this would be that the music seems lacking. Talat sahab as usual, comes out sounding the same as he did on the 1980's version.

N's comment - Mine is running 3:33 minutes. Wonder which version this is? Do you have the lyrics of the first 1 min where he sings without any music??


8. Itna Na Mujhse Tu Pyaar Barhaa
Album- Chhaaya
Year- 1961
M.D- Salil Chowdhry
Lyrics- Rajendra Krishan
Duration- Original Version 3:19, Concert Version 4:00


The lyrics of this song have a beautifully melancholic touch to them. Talat's voice in the original song comes streaming through with the purity and pathos of an unfortunate man, looking at his life realistically, with a crystal clear point of view. The cliched wordings of sad songs that might remind you of a more popular number by one of Talat's contemporaries are non-existent and simply don't apply in this case. In those days, sad songs got the royal treatment.
The live version, starts enthusiastically with the most easily recognizable tune. Though Talat sahab might be humming the words of the sad version, the music simply belies the sentiment. Both Talat sahab & the music, enthuse a strange energy in the audience with this rendition and the sounds of accompanying claps from the audience are clearly audible.
Talat sahab here does something rather astounding, adding a new twist to the famous song at the end, as under.

Mein Jhoom Raha Huun Masti Mein, Mehmaan Huun Teri Basti Mein -2
Ek Baar Gaya To Kisko Khabar, Ek Baar Gaya To Kisko Khabar,
Mein Aa Na Sakuun Phir Dobaarah, Itna Na Mujhse Tu Pyaar Barha


I might have been unfortunate enough not to hear this in the original recording, if it really was there, to begin with. Or simply, this is something new that was not available in the initial release. The original songs had two versions, one the solo, sad version sung by Talat Sahab. The other, a duet with Lata, which I'm not very fond of, simply for the reason of it being a happy-song, per se. This live version of Talat sahab's probably ranks very close to the original sad version for me. Talat sahab voice exudes energy on some level to make everyone sit up and take notice.


Continued in next post ...

N's comment - typical Salilda music!!!!!!! Ayyoooooooooooo I want to hear the sad version full version cry.gif((((((((((((((((( I have the happy one with LM :| Sample kaafi nahi Imran sahab sad1.gif I find the sample u have u/l does not sound sad sad1.gif

My comments at the end of every song detail -

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post Aug 17 2004, 09:22 AM
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Nimu, some songs are uploaded at URL Talat Mahmood gems

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post Aug 17 2004, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (extenok @ Aug 7 2004, 06:16 PM)
Continuation of A Review of Talat Mahmood in Concert
-Royal Albert Hall


9. Bechain Nazar Baetaab Jigar, Yeh Dil Hae Kisi Ka Deewana
Album- Yasmin
Year- 1955
M.D- C. Ramchander
Lyrics- Jan Nisar Akhtar
Duration- Original Version 3:52, 1980's Version 3:46, Concert Version 2:45


The song most reminscent of Talat sahab's velvety voice which all his true fans miss the most. The wonders of modern recording equipment have seemed useless, against Talat Sahab's voice deterioration due to old age. It is impossible to create the same magic that once existed in that quaint & very low-tech recording of this beautiful song by C. Ramchander back in 1955. For people hoping to relive their memories, the song might reawaken a faint wave of thoughts, feelings of years past. Yet, the 'baankpan' in Talat sahab's voice is simply missing. But, then, not everybody is looking for a studio replica of the song. The sound of experience simply flows through Talat sahab's vocals on this song. In the end, overall a good track.

Jab Raat Zara Shabnam Se Dhule, Lehrayee Hui, Woh Zulf Khulay
Nazron Se Nazar, Ek Bhaid Kahay, Dil Dil Se Kahay, Ek Afsaana


You listen to a humble show of enthusiasm from a few fans, in the form of some whistles, as the song starts. In my honest opinion, Talat sahab falls behind the Talat Mahmood of 1955. I could be wrong and this all could be attributed to me not realizing that there are a lot of things to consider when comparing a Live recording and a studio version of the same.

N's comment: I just heard the original. From what you writes.. it does seem that age has affected his voice in the live show sad1.gif how sad. the original is awesome!


10. Raat Ne Kya Kya Khwaab Dikhaye
Album- Ek Gaun Ki Kahani
Year- 1957
M.D- Salil Chowdhury
Lyrics- Shailendra
Duration- Original Version 3:22, Concert Version 4:29


The lilting music infused with the despair-filled voice of Talat Mahmood. Salil Chowdhury might be blamed by some, unfairly, for using tunes by the legendary musicians. This I guess was probably for their music being a big influence on him and I ask, why shouldn't Mozart or Chopin be appreciated. What he can be blamed for, is instilling such sweetness into his songs that we fall for them every time. The words crafted for this gem by Shailendra are not phenomenal, yet, with the perfect blend of music & Talat's voice, it all seems to come into focus. I say one thing for this song, it is full of 'morbid-sweetness'. I believe, the best musicians are those who have discovered the secret of how to strike a balance between despair, anguish, hope and dreams.

Coming to the performance, the first encore in this live performance. Talat Sahab's performance is on the mark. No glitches in the recording. No bad notes. Talat sahab finishes the song and the audience replies with thunderous applause & whistles. Talat sahab blesses the audience with a repeat, murmuring, "Achha, sunniye" and finishes by repeating the following.

Ham Ne To Chaaha Bhuul Hii Jayein, Vo Afsaana Kyun Dohorayein
Dil Rah Rah Ke Yaad Dilaaye, Raat Ne Kya Kya Khvaab Dikhaaye


I would rank this on my personal favourites, above the original, only because of the last part. This also happens to be the last song of the first session, for the selected songs. After this, Talat sahab performed songs requested by the audience.

N's comment: OOOOOOOOOOOOo why over the original????? Wait let me hear the live sample!! Ok I am lissening to it.. Grr I cant handle the music esp the accordian is annoying sad1.gif Dont you think Talat sahab is singing this at a higher pitch in the live as compared to the original?? Or is it my ears sad1.gif



11. Tasveer Banata Huun, Tasveer Nahi Banti
Album- Baradari
Year- 1955
M.D- Naushad
Lyrics- Khumar Barabankvi
Duration- Original Version 3:17, Concert Version 3:16


The original spoke truly of love, longing and hope in the words threaded together by Khumar Barabankvi. Who or what seems missing here folks? Can't guess? I would say, it has to be Shakeel Badayuni not occupying the lyricist position that troubles me. The composition fails to appeal. Though Talat Mahmood suits this song perfectly, we don't see any use of his range or the modulation in his voice that other Music Directors used.

Does the concert version sound any better than the 'sanitized' studio version?
No, not really. Talat Mahmood, is blamed for not experimenting in his performances, to change the song, making it more appealing to an audience
listening to it LIVE. To deviate from the expected norm was not a part of what Talat Mahmood was. This is just a fact that we have to accept. In his way, throughout this musical extravaganza, he has shown some different shades. And in the end, beauty will be appreciated in any form, be it its original or some other variegated form.

N's comment - I dont think it is fair to blame Talat sahab. I am sure he had done justice to the song in the live as much as in the original. But at times the experimenting can really ruin the song.. I have heard many experimental ones.. I prefer the original any day wink2.gif mebbe I am very conservative here sad1.gif


12. Jalte Hain Jiske Liye
Album- Sujata
Year- 1959
M.D- S. D. Burman
Lyrics- Majrooh
Duration- Popular Version 3:15, Extended Version 4:05, Concert Version 3:36


I always thought the original song was heart-wrenchingly painful, able to move one to tears. Listening to the live version, one feels the pure intensity and ecstasy that Talat sahab is still able to convey through a simple change in his intonation of a few words. The thunderous applause at the very recognition after the initial humming by Talat sahab is resonant of the importance this track holds in posterity. The way Talat sahab pauses, Haathon Se Yeh ... Chuutay Na Kahin show off skills of his ghazal singing, throughout the song. Majrooh Sultanpuri's juxtaposition of everything from the lover's mouth to the eyes to the heart & mind is flawless.
This song's concert version is the perfect example for people who want to know how Talat sahab sounded after his prime, yet still managing to capture the magic, enthralling his fans.

N's comment: WOW.. all the more reason I want to get this live album. Thanks Imran!!!!!!!!!!

13. Zindagi Denewale Sunn
Album- Dil-e-Nadan
Year- 1953
M.D- Ghulam Mohammad
Lyrics- Shakeel Badayuni
Duration- Original Version 3:10, Concert Version 4:53


The words of Shakeel Badayuni spoke in volumes, not just here, but in everything he wrote for HFM and for non-film works. Ghulam Mohammad's tunes are blissful, simple yet alluring. This song makes Talat sahab flex his vocal chords, and believe me thats a blessing. Major portion of the concert doesn't make him do anything special. Most HFM buffs would know Talat sahab didn't get his fair share of difficult songs. I wish he had chosen that path and maybe we would've gotten to read & listen to a different history. In this lifetime at least, Talat sahab will be remembered as the soft velvet voiced wonder.

In the original version, Talat sahab doesn't touch the notes the same way he does in the concert. The concert version is where Talat Mahmood shines like a star going supernova, not necessarily with the negative connotations. The way Talat sahab stretches the note at the end of Zindaa Rakhaa Magar Zindagii Chhiin Lii is simply unheard of in any studio performance that I have had a chance to listen to. The second encore of the evening, brief as it maybe, draws a lot of applause from the audience, and well deserved too.

Bekhataa Tuune Mujhse Khushii Chhiin Lii, Zindaa Rakhaa Magar Zindagii Chhiin Lii
Kar Diyaa Dil Kaa Khuun, Chup Kahaan Tak Rahuun, Saaf Kyuun Naa Kahuun
Tuu Khushii Se Merii Darr Gayaa, Zindagii Dene Vaale Sun ...


N's comment - From the sample u had u/l I find the live better than the original.

14. Aye Mere Dil Kahin Aur Chal
Album- Daag
Year- 1952
M.D- Shankar Jaikishan
Lyrics- Shailendra
Duration- Original Version 3:00, Concert Version 3:14


In one word, upbeat. The live version is a little faster than the original. Talat sahab, though sounding a little mellow and subdued on some tracks, seems surprisingly lively on this track. Maybe it has to do with the history that this track has for him or he just favoured to make use of the tune and play around with it. Talat sahab was still at the prime of his career when this song became a hit. Mohammad Rafi hadn't unsettled the market and Talat sahab reigned over the HFM as the tragedy ghazal king. Nevertheless, even after so many years, the energy shines through in this recording.

N's comment - I heard the original and the live sample. I concur with you here. He does sound very perky!!!!!!!!!


15. Meri Yaad Mein
Album- Madhosh
Year- 1951
M.D- Madan Mohan
Lyrics- Raja Mehdi Ali Khan
Duration- Original Version 2:52, Concert Version 2:52


Madan Mohan had a pleasantly sophisticated taste for music. In retrospect, he seemed the perfect musical partner to the calm & equally sophisticated Talat Mahmood. His association with Lata Mangeshkar was on a different level altogether, Madan Mohan asked for perfection on female vocals & only Lata delivered it for him. Getting back to the song, it was created back when Madan Mohan was still struggling as a music director and hadn't been crowned the 'Ghazal Prince/Shehzada-e-Ghazal’. The beautiful composition speaks in volumes for the perfect convergence of music, mind & soul into one song. The faint yet astounding effect that is produced by the modulation in Talat's voice, Raja Mehdi's lyrics depicting the quintessential protagonist in the throes of heartbreak & betrayal. I wouldn't be lying if I say here that half of the popularity that this song has received is due to the excellent composition. Madan Mohan was able to recognize and effectively use the modulation in Talat's voice to his song's advantage. The original's beauty was in switching focus between the singer & the music, but without losing the charm of either or overshadowing one another. It was the perfect gelling together of the two.

The Live version doesn't fall very far from the original. Some might complain regarding the recreation of the music not being upto the mark, I would disagree. The same effects have been achieved in this version of the tune. The attention to detail is definitely there. The quaintness of the song is preserved even after such a long passage of time. Talat sahab's vocal performance is not very spectacular on this track. There is no noticeable display of him having a hard time. Yet, somehow, the energy, the conviction seems lacking.

N's comment - Why do u say quaintness???????????

16. Jhoome Re Neela Amber Jhoome
Album- Ek Gaun Ki Kahani
Year- 1957
M.D- Salil Chowdhury
Lyrics- Shailendra
Duration- Original Version 3:53, Concert Version 3:26


The original was a fast and peppy number. Talat sahab's last performance of the evening couldn't be a sad number, that would be just too conventional. This sounds most fitting, as the start was made on Patita's Hain Sabse Madhur Woh Geet Jinhein Ham Dard Ke Sur Mein Gaate Haen. The original song required Talat sahab to stretch the Jhoome Re part of the song, which he did excellently. He does it even better on the concert version and does receive approval from quite a few fans in the form of whistles. Good track, for the feel-good effect.

N's comment - Sample plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont have the original version either :|

Extenok aka Imraan!!!!!!! Great show with the writeup.. I enjoyed going this journey of rediscovering TM numbers after a real long time.

Please keep us enlightening us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Terrific job mr. extenok
i will print that out and show to my papa ji
he's a great big fan of talat mahmood also,, his fav singer!
marvelous
great
stupendous
remarkable job on sangeet ke sitaare by you

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post Aug 20 2004, 07:14 AM
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Sharad,

Whats also very interesting is the fact that I'm only a few years older than you. And not some uncle jee in his 60s. So that probably speaks for Talats voice's charm & magic not just being restrained to the previous generation.
Let us know your father's thoughts.


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post Aug 20 2004, 09:31 AM
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Abhi itne saare logon ne itni taareef kee hai Imran sahab nariyel ke ped pe chadh ke baith gaye hai. Janaab neeche utarne ka irada hai ya nahin?

Bahot achha likha hai, kisi magazine ya akhbar mein bhi aap ka dakhila ho jaaye to kuch chaukne ki baat nahin hongi. Sachi mein bahot bade fan ho, lovely writing. Still have to listen to a few of the live versions but your comments are so great!

Abhi thode aur bhi geet hai jin pe aap ka abhipraay jaane to achha hoga. Yahan pe list denge aap ko, theek hai?

Keep up the good work smile1.gif thanks for sharing the great piece of work.
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post Aug 20 2004, 09:59 AM
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Madam C,

It is always an effort on my part not to lose sight of humility and modesty. I try and keep my ego in check, most of the times. Still, if you do find me guilty of the sin, I shall try harder.
As for writing beautifully, I believe it has more to do with the songs and less with my usage of the english language. Thank you for reading and liking it.

I'm assuming the word 'abhipraay' means opinion. If that is the case, yes I wouldn't mind listening and going through other Talat Mahmood songs. Of course, even this exercise was just a conspiracy between me & Unni to bring our favourite artist's voice & his songs to the forefront. *Evil Grin*



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post Aug 20 2004, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE (extenok @ Aug 20 2004, 09:59 AM)

I'm assuming the word 'abhipraay' means opinion.

C and E, playing Mr teacher here, coming from a Hindi speaking state I can confidently tell you that abhipraay means "intended meaning". "Vichara" would translate to opinion and "Aalochana" would mean Comments. Hope this helps in better usage. thumbs-up.gif


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QUOTE (anurag @ Aug 20 2004, 12:04 PM)
QUOTE (extenok @ Aug 20 2004, 09:59 AM)

I'm assuming the word 'abhipraay' means opinion.

C and E, playing Mr teacher here, coming from a Hindi speaking state I can confidently tell you that abhipraay means "intended meaning". "Vichara" would translate to opinion and "Aalochana" would mean Comments. Hope this helps in better usage. thumbs-up.gif

Phew we could start a forum for this too!

Pradeep kuchh karo na!

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QUOTE (Nimii @ Aug 20 2004, 12:09 PM)
Phew we could start a forum for this too!

Pradeep kuchh karo na!

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Nimii, kahte hain naa ki khaalee dimaag shaitan ka ghar hota hai. So, ab uploads/downloads band hain to yeh to hoga hee. Ab Pradeep kya kargea? tongue.gif

I am also expecting to see some higher level of leg pulling to begin shortly. The chiefs are prolly sleeping right now across the sound. biggrin.gif


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Nimii, sorry for the late reply. But, here goes nothing.


3. Mera Jeevan Saathi Bichad Gaya Lo Khatam Kahani Ho Gayee
N's comment: THIS ONE IS ABSOLUTELY NEW TO ME!! Wow he sounds great! grrr Imran puraa gaana kyon upload nahi kya

Uploading the whole song wouldn't have been ethically proper. I hope you've been able to enjoy the original, at least.


5. Yeh Hawa Yeh Raat Yeh Chandni, Teri Ek Adaa Pe Nisaar Hae
N's comment: O yes, you are right. I juz heard the whole song... Why o why do we not get such tunes any more

I think it has to do with the whole society's outlook on life and what they want to make of it has changed considerably over the years. A general wave of chaos has swept every facet of life. So how can we expect film music to stay the same. Surely, it is not the end. These storms brewing are probably just a warning sign of better things to come, or maybe they're just signalling the inevitable end. Still a lot remains to be seen.


6. Humse Aaya Na Gaya, Tumse Bulaaya Na Gaya
N's comment: Absolutely a stunning tune by MM sahab! But if you ask me Imraan, almost all songs of those days did not give music too much importance, as much as for the voice, that is why these voices remain forever in our memories! Atleast I feel that way.. I am just through listening to this, but plan to hear it again. What a beautiful song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not entirely true. Some songs did receive more attention to their music. I believe Naushad's compositions specially received as much attention to their music as their vocals and lyrics. One interesting thing that I remember Abhijeet saying on The RKB show on Sahara TV recently was, nowadays, the music is 80% of the song, while the singer only gives 20%, because the singers of today simply cannot give more than that to the song. So, what we get to hear is more music and less vocals.


7. Koi Nahi Mera Iss Dunya Mein, Aashiyaan Barbaad Hae
N's comment - Mine is running 3:33 minutes. Wonder which version this is? Do you have the lyrics of the first 1 min where he sings without any music??

I have a total of 4 versions. The 4:28 version is from the Soundtrack. The 3:30 version is probably from the album. I've included lyrics for all four versions into a file and will attach it here once file-uploads become available again.


8. Itna Na Mujhse Tu Pyaar Barhaa
N's comment - typical Salilda music! I want to hear the sad version full version I have the happy one with LM Sample kaafi nahi Imran sahab I find the sample u have u/l does not sound sad

C has already uploaded the full sad version. I already had mentioned that the song's tempo was faster than the sad version and it didnt sound like the sad version. Instead it had the audience clapping to it.


9. Bechain Nazar Baetaab Jigar, Yeh Dil Hae Kisi Ka Deewana
N's comment: I just heard the original. From what you writes.. it does seem that age has affected his voice in the live show how sad. the original is awesome!

No doubts about it. Age had affected his singing voice. The original was a masterpiece.


10. Raat Ne Kya Kya Khwaab Dikhaye
N's comment: why over the original????? Wait let me hear the live sample!! Ok I am lissening to it.. Grr I cant handle the music esp the accordian is annoying Dont you think Talat sahab is singing this at a higher pitch in the live as compared to the original?? Or is it my ears

Over the original because I love the encore. Its different, its new. And for someone who hasn't seen one single live performance of the legend, this is as close as it gets. Yes, the accordion does sound annoying here. Maybe because we are used to hearing the mellow sounds of the old recordings. High pitch, maybe.


11. Tasveer Banata Huun, Tasveer Nahi Banti
N's comment - I dont think it is fair to blame Talat sahab. I am sure he had done justice to the song in the live as much as in the original. But at times the experimenting can really ruin the song.. I have heard many experimental ones.. I prefer the original any day mebbe I am very conservative here

Yes, you do seem very conservative. Still, what you fail to understand is that I'm appreciating Talat sahab's resolve not to experiment too much with the song.


12. Jalte Hain Jiske Liye
N's comment: WOW.. all the more reason I want to get this live album. Thanks Imran!!!!!!!!!!

Yes! A convert!


13. Zindagi Denewale Sunn
N's comment - From the sample u had u/l I find the live better than the original.

So do I, but then, from a conservatives perspective, you would staunchly support the original.


14. Aye Mere Dil Kahin Aur Chal
N's comment - I heard the original and the live sample. I concur with you here. He does sound very perky!!!!!!!!!

Must admit, the concert did have a few fast songs, even if they were original meant to be slow & sad numbers.


15. Meri Yaad Mein
N's comment - Why do u say quaintness???????????

Because I couldn't find my theasaurus.


16. Jhoome Re Neela Amber Jhoome
N's comment - Sample plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont have the original version either :|

I'll try and upload the original in Talat Mahmood gems thread.




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Imran!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanx a lot for the response smile1.gif I really appreciate it smile1.gif

I agree with you regarding u/l of the live show! Must buy this album smile1.gif and I hope that the stupid Planet M/MW or Landmark shld have them sad1.gif

Issi bahaane I may be able to find more gems in the shop.. a few bucks parted from pocket money is no big deal considering the heavenly songs smile1.gif I shall get to hear and enjoy!

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