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Posted by: parag_sankla Dec 29 2008, 09:07 PM

Its a well known fact that Asha ji sang maximum number of songs filmed on the famous actress dancer Helen. It seems that some of Geeta ji's songs are filmed on the dancing diva Helen. The most famous one being "Mera naam chin chin choo" from Howrah Bridge.

While browsing youtube I happened to see the video of the song "Dil se dil takarayein" from the film Love Marriage. This song is filmed on Helen.

Are there more songs like these ??

Thanks
Parag


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Posted by: HumTum Dec 29 2008, 11:22 PM

Parag bhai I will check from my end too.

Posted by: hildebrand Dec 29 2008, 11:23 PM

This link mentions some Geeta songs and mentions helen as the actor. I don't know if it means picturisation also. http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/hindi_bollywood/s/singer.283/
Do have a look at them and confirm.

Posted by: hildebrand Dec 29 2008, 11:26 PM

Found this video also on youtube but audio not working for me. Don't know who's singing for whom?
It seems to be a geeta-lata duet from yahudi picturised on cuckoo and helen.

Posted by: hildebrand Dec 29 2008, 11:29 PM

kahan chali re kahan chali (duet with rafi) from Pyar Ki Dastaan (I don't have the song though) seems to have been picturised on helen and mohan choti.

Posted by: parag_sankla Dec 29 2008, 11:32 PM

Yes, its Geeta ji singing for young Helen in the song "Bechain dil khoyi si nazar" from Yahudi

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: HumTum Dec 29 2008, 11:40 PM

Night Club Club 1958 --- music by Madan Mohan --- lyrics by Majrooh

Kahan Phir Hum Kahan...

Posted by: HumTum Dec 29 2008, 11:42 PM

Aab-e-hayat 1955 --- music by Sardar Malik --- lyrics by Hasrat Jaipuri

Maara Re Maara..

Posted by: HumTum Dec 29 2008, 11:45 PM

Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane 1959 --- music by Kalyanji Virji Shah --- lyrics by Bharat Vyas

Unchhi Neechi --- with Rafi sahab

Posted by: HumTum Dec 29 2008, 11:47 PM

12 O Clock 1958 --- music by O.P. Nayyar --- lyrics by Majrooh

Arey Tauba Yeh Teri Ada

Posted by: parag_sankla Dec 30 2008, 12:02 PM

HT bhai, many thanks for your initiative. Lets make a list of all these songs..



Best Regards
Parag

Posted by: parag_sankla Jan 5 2009, 10:30 AM

So the list so far is

Mera naam chin chin choo - Howrah Bridge
Dil se dil takarayein - Love Marriage
kahan chali re kahan chali - Pyar Ki Dastaan
Bechain dil khoyi si nazar- Yahudi
Kahan Phir Hum Kahan - Night Club Club
Maara Re Maara - Aab-e-hayat
Oonchi edhi walon ne - Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane
Arey Tauba Yeh Teri Ada - 12 O Clock

Any more ??

Posted by: parag_sankla Jan 9 2009, 12:26 AM

HB

I saw this song on youtube yesterday and the actress in the song is not Helen.

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=XlUqFzZjxio&feature=related

Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Jan 9 2009, 03:23 AM

The author of the webpage I read it on must have been mistaken then.

So the list reduces to:-

Mera naam chin chin choo - Howrah Bridge
Dil se dil takarayein - Love Marriage
Bechain dil khoyi si nazar- Yahudi
Kahan Phir Hum Kahan - Night Club Club
Maara Re Maara - Aab-e-hayat
Oonchi edhi walon ne - Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane
Arey Tauba Yeh Teri Ada - 12 O Clock

Posted by: parag_sankla Jan 12 2009, 09:52 AM

Thanks HB,

so are there any more songs of Geeta ji filmed on Helen ?


Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Jan 20 2009, 12:52 AM

I discovered one more very great and wonderful song sung by Geeta ji for Helen today. I say discovered because I saw it for the first time today having loved its melody for long.

The song is none other than Aye Haaye Dilruba from Dr. Vidya. The song is set in an old students get together in the college. Helen and Vyjyanthimala have an argument. Then Helen breaks into this song. The song begins with Helen dancing to Geetaji's lovely voice. Vyjyanthimala joins later and Asha Bhosle sings for her!
A lovely song and dance is also great with them dancing in competition to each other!

Posted by: parag_sankla Jan 20 2009, 09:04 PM

HB,

Thanks for this information. So the only ones who could "hear" this song were the lucky ones who watched it in the theater (or on VCD/DVD now). RPG should bring a compilation of such songs of Geeta ji.

Regards
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Jan 20 2009, 10:18 PM

Yes, that would be a good idea. But would RPG be interested in doing this?

Posted by: parag_sankla Jan 21 2009, 11:37 PM

HB,

It will be wonderful if you can (at your convenience) rip the video of this song and share with us. It will be a fun to watch this lovely 9 minute song.



Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Jan 23 2009, 02:16 AM

I have not done much of video editing before. I will try to do it after searching for software and procedures for it.

Posted by: parag_sankla Jan 23 2009, 05:42 AM

Will be looking forward to it HB.

Take your time, no worries..

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Jan 31 2009, 06:53 AM

Thanks to forum members Erum ji, FP and Mahesh ji we have got information about a hindi song in a bengali film picturised on Helen and sung by Geeta ji.
Details as available are as follows:-
1959-gali theke rajpath-tere liye laya-md-sudhin dasgupta;ly-?

Its a lovely song. Its video has been uploaded by Erum ji and audio uploaded by FP.
More details on this thread: http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=70323

Posted by: hildebrand Feb 10 2009, 09:24 PM

Saw a movie today which I've been wanting to see for a long time due to its lovely Geeta songs. Found two of them to be picturised on Helen. Any guess, which is the movie? Find out in the updated list below:-

1. Mera naam chin chin choo - Howrah Bridge
2. Dil se dil takarayein - Love Marriage
3. Bechain dil khoyi si nazar- Yahudi
4. Kahan Phir Hum Kahan - Night Club Club
5. Maara Re Maara - Aab-e-hayat
6. Oonchi edhi walon ne - Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane
7. Arey Tauba Yeh Teri Ada - 12 O Clock
8. Aaye Haaye Dilruba - Dr Vidya
9. Tere Liye Aaya Hai Le Ke Koi Dil - Gali Theke Rajpath (Bengali movie)
10. Ja Raha Hai Kyun Deewane - Passport
11. Tauba Tauba Tauba O Tauba Meri Maan - Passport
12. Majnu Ke Chhilke - O Tera Kya Kehna

As you would've guessed from the additions the movie is Passport. (The third Geeta song in the movie Nazar Ka Jhuk Jana is on another dancer. Can somebody guess who it is? My guess is its Lillian. )
I vaguely recall seeing Nau Do Gyarah years back in which helen had a song (probably her first proper dance song). Can somebody confirm that its Helen for whom Geeta ji sang in the song Kya Ho Jo Din Rangeela Ho?

Posted by: parag_sankla Feb 10 2009, 10:54 PM

Thanks to youtube, here is the video of the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9n87SfsZSk

Geeta ji sings for Shashikala and Asha ji for Helen!

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Feb 10 2009, 11:02 PM

Thanks for the quick response Parag. I recalled the actresses and singers but didn't remember who sang for whom.

Posted by: parag_sankla Feb 10 2009, 11:19 PM

You are most welcome HB.

You can always refer to this thread to see if that particular song is available on YT or not

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=37222&view=findpost&p=511531

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Feb 10 2009, 11:32 PM

Yes, thats a good list. Infact, I had directly searched youtube already for the song. Due to some net issue youtube doesn't open very well for me (funny college net again?). So I generally download the songs. Was downloading it when your reply came! I should have guessed the answer before download itself since her other song See Le Zubaan was known to be picturised on Shashikala. (Thats an interesting Geeta song which forms most of the climax!).

Posted by: hildebrand Feb 12 2009, 07:12 PM

Say isn't that helen in Majnu Ke chhilke?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj5PGkq1fww&feature=channel_page

Posted by: parag_sankla Feb 12 2009, 08:52 PM

Oh yes, that is Helen! One more song added to our list!


Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Feb 13 2009, 01:25 AM

Updated the list. We now have 12 songs. They're no less in quality as compared to songs sung for helen by other singers.
Hope members will find others as well.

Posted by: parag_sankla Feb 24 2009, 11:34 AM

Many thanks HB for maintaining and updating the list. I never imagined that Geeta ji would have sung 12 songs (may be even more) songs for Helen. Great job. Keep it up.

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Feb 24 2009, 03:17 PM

You're most welcome Parag

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 8 2009, 09:02 PM

Myth : Only Asha Bhonsle sang great songs for the dancing diva Helen.


Fact : Geeta Dutt has sung not as many in number, but some really nice songs for Helen. One of the most popular song filmed on Helen (Mera naam chin chin choo) is sung by Geeta ji

Another myth-buster!

Thanks HB for this list!

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: smahesh Mar 8 2009, 10:10 PM

i think songs from mr. india[1961] were also picturised on helen[dekha na jaye,mein machis ki teeli]


regards,
mahesh

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 9 2009, 12:59 AM

Thanks for pointing out that mahesh ji!
Dekha Na Jaaye video is there on youtube and its definitely Helen there!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mud2sHNHFLQ ) Other song video isn't there however. That must be a really patakha video as well. It appears that Geeta ji was preferred voice for Helen till around 1961. It would be interesting to see how many songs Asha sang in the same period. Its of course well known that Helen's first hit which made her career was Mera Naam Chin Chin Choo and would be a reason for the preferred choice.

Updated list is as follows:-

1. Mera naam chin chin choo - Howrah Bridge
2. Dil se dil takarayein - Love Marriage
3. Bechain dil khoyi si nazar- Yahudi
4. Kahan Phir Hum Kahan - Night Club Club
5. Maara Re Maara - Aab-e-hayat
6. Oonchi edhi walon ne - Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane
7. Arey Tauba Yeh Teri Ada - 12 O Clock
8. Aaye Haaye Dilruba - Dr Vidya
9. Tere Liye Aaya Hai Le Ke Koi Dil - Gali Theke Rajpath (Bengali movie)
10. Ja Raha Hai Kyun Deewane - Passport
11. Tauba Tauba Tauba O Tauba Meri Maan - Passport
12. Majnu Ke Chhilke - O Tera Kya Kehna
13. Dekha Na Jaaye Socha Na Jaaye - Mr India
14. Main Machis Ki Teeli - Mr India

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 9 2009, 01:14 AM

Good observation HB. Also another fact needs to be noted here. Helen was not on the scene when Geeta ji was in her real prime (1947-1951).

Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 9 2009, 01:26 AM

If one asks me her prime lasts till 1958.

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 9 2009, 01:37 AM

Oops..I meant to say "Helen was not on the scene during the subset of years 1947-1951 of real prime of Geeta ji's career."

Parag

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 9 2009, 01:42 AM

BTW, IMDB reports Aawaara (1951) as Helen's first film as chorus dancer (uncredited).

Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 9 2009, 01:57 AM

According to Helen's biography on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Richardson) Cukoo helped her get the chorus dancer jobs in Shabistan and Awara.
It would be interesting to see how many songs Geeta ji sang for Cukoo (other than Neele Asmaani). As you may be knowing Shamshad Begum was the voice associated with Cukoo.

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 9 2009, 09:16 AM

A "possible" list of films for which Geeta ji could have sung for Cuckoo

Vidya (1948)
Nishana (1950)
Shabistan (1951)
Stage (1951)
Aadhi Raat (1950)
Aahuti (1950)
Naujawan (1951)
Pyar Ki Baaten (1951)
Shahenshah (1953)
Lakeeren (1954)
Mr. & Mrs. '55 (1955)
Ustad (1957)
Sipahsalar (1956)

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 9 2009, 03:23 PM

Mr and Mrs 55 we know the song. Senior members can tell about the others if she indeed sang for Cukoo.

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 21 2009, 01:23 AM

Uploading it with the relevant scene of their fight (Helen and Vyjanthimala) for perspective. This song is set up as a competition between the two to see who dances better. Its as much a competition of their dance skills as it is for the singing skills of the two singers. Both come up in flying colours although due to film reasons one has to be shown to lose but it is quite lamely done at the end.

Enjoy!

Aaye Haaye Dilruba Video
Dr Vidya (1962)
10:18
352x288
MPG format


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Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 21 2009, 12:11 PM

Excellent upload buddy. Made my day!

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 21 2009, 10:52 PM

Glad you like it Parag.

I have also uploaded it on youtube for others to enjoy without worrying about ratio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcOPcaHkuU

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 23 2009, 07:53 PM

Found another one filmed on Helen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2OeCkNobVk

Bees Baras Tak Laakh Sambhala
Performer: Helen
Singer: Geeta Dutt
Music: Chitragupta
Lyrics: Rajendar Krishan
Film: Kangan, 1959
Starring: Nirupa Roy, Ashok Kumar, Purnima, Nasir Hussain, Bhagwan, Shammi, Nishi, Daisy Irani


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Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 23 2009, 09:42 PM

Very truely said HB. The heroine has to be shown as a winner, so without giving any logical reason/explanation VM is shown as the winner!



Thanks for the video once again. Thoroughly enjoyed!

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 23 2009, 10:56 PM

Glad you liked the video Parag.
Logical explanation is there - she is heroine and they have to show that the traditional heroine is better than the 'modern' friend of hers! I think they call this bollywood stereotype!

Are you sure that's helen in Kangan?! I know the credit says so on youtube. The stylist/makeupman has tried to show her as the village belle with mixed effects.

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 23 2009, 11:16 PM

I do think its Helen in the song from Kangan. Even IMDB site says the same

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156683/fullcredits#cast

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 24 2009, 10:00 PM

IMHO the makeupman has done a decent job. She looks different than her typical club dancer looks.



Cheers
Parag

Posted by: bawlachintu Mar 24 2009, 10:28 PM

Difference between the two dancers-

Helen is the best dancer we have seen till date.
Her timing is matchless. She could follow any type of steps.
Is Prabhudeva listening.........................

Vaijayantimala is considered as best classical dancer in Hindi films
by critics and dance fans.

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 24 2009, 10:46 PM

Yes. Vyjanthimala is certainly recognised as best classical dancer. I guess that's because nobody gave those sort of dances to Helen!
Seeing a Prabhudeva-Helen combined dance would be really something!

Posted by: parag_sankla Mar 25 2009, 03:16 AM

Remembered a not very similar but a funny situation about a recent song from the film Khoon Bhari Maang (1988). Young actress Sonu Walia is shown to have a dance competition with an aging Rekha in the song "Main haseena ghazab ki" sung by Asha ji and Sadhna Sargam. Asha ji gave playback to Rekha and SS for Sonu. Many felt that though Sonu was a better dancer (in this song) Rekha was shown the winner, being the traditional heroine.

Of course no comments on the SS and Asha ji jugalbandi!



Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Mar 25 2009, 06:42 PM

Yes I remember that song. Sonu was definitely the better dancer. She was also much fitter. Noticed the difference in their dressing in the song. Rekha is almost fully covered and Sonu is really looking like a model unlike Rekha.
The 'Dance of Envy' from Dil To Pagal Hai is another example of a competition but both Karisma + Madhuri did an excellent job. The main heroine has to win of course.

Posted by: hildebrand Apr 7 2009, 04:52 PM

Updated list is as follows:-

1. Mera naam chin chin choo - Howrah Bridge
2. Dil se dil takarayein - Love Marriage
3. Bechain dil khoyi si nazar- Yahudi
4. Kahan Phir Hum Kahan - Night Club Club
5. Maara Re Maara - Aab-e-hayat
6. Oonchi edhi walon ne - Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane
7. Arey Tauba Yeh Teri Ada - 12 O Clock
8. Aaye Haaye Dilruba - Dr Vidya
9. Tere Liye Aaya Hai Le Ke Koi Dil - Gali Theke Rajpath (Bengali movie)
10. Ja Raha Hai Kyun Deewane - Passport
11. Tauba Tauba Tauba O Tauba Meri Maan - Passport
12. Majnu Ke Chhilke - O Tera Kya Kehna
13. Dekha Na Jaaye Socha Na Jaaye - Mr India
14. Main Machis Ki Teeli - Mr India
15. Bees Baras Tak Laakh Sambhala - Kangan

Posted by: parag_sankla Apr 8 2009, 05:56 AM

Thanks HB for updating the list. So far we have found 15 songs.

Posted by: hildebrand Apr 8 2009, 10:44 PM

you're welcome Parag. I hope there are a few others also hiding somewhere.

Posted by: parag_sankla Apr 15 2009, 04:46 AM

I am sure music lovers will help us in identifying them.



Best Regards
Parag

Posted by: parag_sankla May 31 2009, 10:53 PM

Am I seeing this correctly? Asha ji and Geeta ji both giving playback to Helen in the same song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC4GF7yoF9I

Thanks Anu

Best Regards
Parag

Posted by: r&d Jun 1 2009, 10:55 PM

nope. little girl is singing the Geeta Dutt part.

Posted by: parag_sankla Jun 2 2009, 01:31 AM

Rajnish ji

At 0.43, Asha ji sings for Helen. Then at 1.14 min Geeta ji sings the line "Kiske aage rona roye" and I see that Helen is lip-synching to it.

Regards
Parag

Posted by: r&d Jun 2 2009, 02:33 AM

I think it is a sync issue. girl is not facing the camera and right
after that they both sing together in chorus. besides rest of the time it is Asha.

Posted by: parag_sankla Jun 8 2009, 01:15 AM

Thanks for the clarifications Rajnish ji. I agree with your explanation.

Here is another song we "discovered" today after Anupama uploaded it on YT for us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HDDQ3vpU94&feature=channel_page

Dekhiye na iss tarah - Neeli aankhen (MD : Dattaram)

Thanks HT bhai for the confirmation that it is Helen on whom this song is filmed!


Cheers
Parag

Posted by: parag_sankla Jun 8 2009, 01:16 AM

Updated list is as follows:-

1. Mera naam chin chin choo - Howrah Bridge
2. Dil se dil takarayein - Love Marriage
3. Bechain dil khoyi si nazar- Yahudi
4. Kahan Phir Hum Kahan - Night Club
5. Maara Re Maara - Aab-e-hayat
6. Oonchi edhi walon ne - Bedard Zamana Kya Jaane
7. Arey Tauba Yeh Teri Ada - 12 O Clock
8. Aaye Haaye Dilruba - Dr Vidya
9. Tere Liye Aaya Hai Le Ke Koi Dil - Gali Theke Rajpath (Bengali movie)
10. Ja Raha Hai Kyun Deewane - Passport
11. Tauba Tauba Tauba O Tauba Meri Maan - Passport
12. Majnu Ke Chhilke - O Tera Kya Kehna
13. Dekha Na Jaaye Socha Na Jaaye - Mr India
14. Main Machis Ki Teeli - Mr India
15. Bees Baras Tak Laakh Sambhala - Kangan
16. Dekhiye na iss tarah - Neeli Aankhen
17. Khadi Re Khadi Re Kab Se - Naache Nagin Baaje Been (with Mohd.Rafi)
18. Kiya yeh kya tune ishara arre abhi abhi - Duniya Rang Rangeeli

Any more?

Regards
Parag

Posted by: parag_sankla Jun 24 2009, 09:25 PM

Sharing the YT link of the song "Bechain dil khoi si nazar" from the film Yahudi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zi3c6jG8Sk

Helen is very young here.

Posted by: parag_sankla Aug 3 2009, 07:59 AM

Found one more today on our YT channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2plyhWfjI8&feature=channel

Film - Naache Nagin Baaje Been 1960, MD - Chitragupta, Lyricist - Majrooh Sultanpuri, Singers - Mohd.Rafi & Geeta Dutt

Posted by: parag_sankla Sep 26 2009, 07:29 PM

This ultimate beautiful song "Kiya yeh kya tune ishara arre abhi abhi" is finally found on video, thanks to amitajai ji

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekLwP6VntaE

The song is filmed on Helen with Johny Walker and another actor (?) in the frame

Cheers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Sep 29 2009, 11:26 PM

It was great to see the video of this song thanks to Rajeev ji. He's dedicatedly put over 2000 songs there! A marathon effort!



The song is not only a rarest of rare one but a must listen one too. Extremely sweet song.

Posted by: parag_sankla Nov 12 2009, 11:06 PM

A special post dedicated to this song can be found on our blog section here

http://www.geetadutt.com/blog/?p=183

Once again thanks to Rajiv ji

Best Regards
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Nov 12 2009, 11:13 PM

Yes great work by him.

Does anyone have the video of 'Yaaron Kisi Se Na Kehna' from Chhabili? Would like to know on whom Geeta ji's voice is picturised on.

Posted by: parag_sankla Nov 13 2009, 12:59 AM

Unfortunately YT has removed this video (and even the YT account has been suspended).



Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Nov 15 2009, 03:05 PM

I am sorry to hear that. do you have any other contact with him?

Posted by: hildebrand Nov 15 2009, 04:04 PM

He's Back!!!!!!!
Get his new channel here:-
http://www.youtube.com/user/amitajai22

Posted by: parag_sankla Nov 18 2009, 10:43 PM

Oh yes, I saw that as well. Still the song from "Duniya Rang Rangeeli" has not yet been uploaded. Hope that it will be done so.

Cheeers
Parag

Posted by: hildebrand Nov 18 2009, 11:34 PM

Request him. I am sure he will.

Posted by: parag_sankla Jan 5 2010, 01:29 AM

The song "Kiya yeh kya tune ishaara abhee abhee" has now been re-uploaded on YT. The clarity is not as good as it was before though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mn04xTxFaw

Thanks

Parag