Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories, Romantic Sahir Options Rating

[mmuk2004]

Whoa...got to get my Urdu to Hindi dictionary for this one. Visuja thank you for your interest, give me a couple of days will get back to you. Still suffering from the 4th of July holiday hangover... Nimz sorry about taking so long about your song...

Doing the flowers a favor...Seems Sahir is in a more forgiving mood about the Shahenshah in this one. The emperor as the lover is given some classic lines... "Sharm gairon se hua karti hai apno se nahin...Sharm apno se karogi to museebat hogi"... Beautifully sung by Lata and Rafi. It is always a pleasure to hear LM's near perfect enunciation of Urdu.

Yes Nimz...Jaani had the charisma to pull off the lover's excesses grandly...Pradeep Kumar looked a trifle uncomfortable but Bina Rai jumped quite nimbly amid the flowers I remember. I also remember admiring her dainty feet in the pretty sandals in the song... Anyone remembers Meena Kumari's feet in Pakeezah?...

[Nimii]

Anyone remembers Meena Kumari's feet in Pakeezah?.

Definitely not me Tho' a classic I didnt like Pakeezah I juz remembered this scene about Jaani describing her feet (shhhhhhh dont know how delicate or non-delicate they were )

Madhz no hurry in posting your reply. It is a pleasure to come to this thread to read your writeups.. Waiting is hardly a hurdle!!!!!!!!!

N

[Nimii]

Madhz how about this one?/

Asha and Rafi sahab number.. (from Aaj aur kal) - who was it featured on ?!?!?!?!

Mujhe gale se lagaa lo, bahut udaas hoon main... (lovely number portraying the need for support and comfort from each other)

N

[mmuk2004]

Madhz how about this one?/

Asha and Rafi sahab number.. (from Aaj aur kal) - who was it featured on ?!?!?!?!

Mujhe gale se lagaa lo, bahut udaas hoon main... (lovely number portraying the need for support and comfort from each other)

N

Nimz



I am all hearts and violins about that very song. Did it already with the Didi number...

[Nimii]

How did I miss it -ing myself

It was there right in the beginning of the post - http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&s...ndpost&p=269050

Grrrrrrrrrrrr I guess I was so taken up by tum mujhe bhool bhi jaao.. to yeh haq hai tumko That song dismissed everything else from my head

Now I need to bother Madhz with another one

N

[Talaikya]

Lata,

I thought you had written out the lyrics for the song from Bahu Begum but I don't see it now. Just give me a couple of days to get back to it.

On Lata's behalf...

Duniya kare sawaal to hum kya jawab de
Tum ko na ho khayal to hum kya jawab de (Duniya...)

Pooche koi ke dil ko kahaan chhod aaye hain
Kis kis se apna rishta e jaan tod aaye hai
Mushkil ho arz e haal...
Mushkil ho arz e haal to hum kya jawab de
Tum ko na ho khayal to hum kya jawab de (Duniya...)

Poochhe koi ke dard e wafa kaun de gaya
Raaton ko jaag ne ki sazaa kaun de gaya
Kah ne se ho malaal...
Kah ne se ho malaal to hum kya jawab de
Tum ko na ho khayal to hum kya jawab de (Duniya...)

Sigh! I still wanna see the video!! R & D plzzzzzzz !!!!

Me too me too!! ... and not compressed

Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par - Taj Mahal

Awesome, I am waiting too

Tho' a classic I didnt like Pakeezah

Me either. All the trouble they went through till completing it - shows

How did I miss it -ing myself

I won't say another word

Now I need to bother Madhz with another one
N

Kripaya intezaar karein, aap katar mein hain!!

[Nimii]

I won't say another word

shhhhhhhhh dont let "me" out of the bag

aap katar mein hain!!

Katar mein hai?? No no I aint living in any gulf country

Grrrrrrrrrrrr what in the god's name does that mean?? Waiting in the queue??

Ok no more spamming back to work

N

[Lata]

Lata,

I thought you had written out the lyrics for the song from Bahu Begum but I don't see it now. Just give me a couple of days to get back to it.

On Lata's behalf...

Duniya kare sawaal to hum kya jawab de
Tum ko na ho khayal to hum kya jawab de (Duniya...)

Pooche koi ke dil ko kahaan chhod aaye hain
Kis kis se apna rishta e jaan tod aaye hai
Mushkil ho arz e haal...
Mushkil ho arz e haal to hum kya jawab de
Tum ko na ho khayal to hum kya jawab de (Duniya...)

Poochhe koi ke dard e wafa kaun de gaya
Raaton ko jaag ne ki sazaa kaun de gaya
Kah ne se ho malaal...
Kah ne se ho malaal to hum kya jawab de
Tum ko na ho khayal to hum kya jawab de (Duniya...)

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Thanks Tji .....Madhavi take ur time ...Me waiting patiently

[r&d]

Sigh! I still wanna see the video!! R & D plzzzzzzz !!!!

Me too me too!! ... and not compressed

Talaikya ji,

The VOB (DVD container file) file is 194 MB. I can upload it but HF might crash or
use third party file sharing site. Let me know if that is what you want.

[Nimii]

R & D Rip rip kijiye to wmv or avi or real media file

N

[Anupama]

Wow! Excellent work, Madhvi. Very impressive and extremely informative! How did I miss this thread? Finally, someone has taken the initiative to indite about my neglected Sahir Ludhianvi. What a great poet, he was! I am fortunate and blessed to have hailed from Punjab. I was born in Ludhiana and went to the same government college where Sahir studied and walked on the same portals as Sahir Ludhianvi did.

I have always been fascinated by Sahir's poetry. He has influenced me to great extents.

Sahir has penned over 700 filmy songs. I already have more than 400 of Sahir's songs and wish to someday acquire all his songs. Who can forget his first recorded song - "Mohabbat Tark Ki Maine" - sung in Talat Mehmood's silken voice, and his first released song "Thandi Hawayein" sung by Lata. Each and every Sahir's song is close to my heart.My favorite soaked in liquor song of Sahir is "Mehfil Se Uth Jaane Waalon". Madhvi, I would appreciate it if you could comment on this song ( take your time , I know I am last in queue). You might be aware that this song was written for Amrita Pritam and Imroz.

Amrita Pritam wrote in her autobiography - Raseedi Ticket :-

"I recall - many years ago when Sahir had come to Delhi, he invited and Imroz to the hotel where he was staying. We were there for a couple of hours. Sahir had placed an order for whisky and there were three glasses on the table. We returned deep into the night.And when it was almost midnight - Sahir called me up saying : " There are still three glasses lying on the table, and by turn I am sipping from each of them, and writing '' These Empty Goblets Are My Companions." ( Mere Saathi Khaali Jaam )

Then she writes - Only nature is likely to know that there was some thread, who knows related to which birth, which even in this birth was wrapped around the three of us.In 1990 when Jalandhar Doordarshan shot a film on my life they asked me to reflect on my relationship with both Sahir Ludhianvi and Imroz - At that point , I had said - "There is only one sole relationship of pain - of agony - of the hiccup of separation - of musical resonance of the pipe which can be heard despite those hiccups of longing.This was the relationship with Sahir - this is the relationship with Imroz.. This was Sahir's love when I wrote : -

Tumhe Phir Yaad Kiya Hai
Hum Ne Phir Aag Ko Chooma
Ishq Chahe Ek Zehar Ka Pyala Sahi
Maine Ek Ghoont Peena Chaha__Amrita Pritam

Not only Sahir's filmy songs but also his other work captivates and fascinates me. The intensity in his poetry deeply moves me and leaves me enthralled. I possess both of his books - Talkhiyaan and Aao Koi Khwab Bune. I am yet to acquire another book of his - Gaata Jaaye Banjara (suggested by a friend of mine). Sahir's poetry does not only focus on love and romance, but also captures other aspects of life. The bleak realities of life are exposed. In his poetry, Sahir reveals pain and suffering, his respect for women, his great understanding and acceptance of various religions, and his desire to find harmony and tranquility in life. His poetry reveal both his positive outlook and his rebellious and cynical spirit towards life. He arrived at a philosophy of his own.

I wish he could have lived for many more years. He left behind many of admirers like us.

Thanks Madhvi. What a treat!

Nafrat Jo Sikhaye Woh Dharam Tera Nahin Hai
Insaan Ko Raunde Woh Qadam Tera Nahin Hai
Quraan Na Ho Jis Mein Woh Mandir Nahin Tera
Geeta Na Ho Jis Mein Woh Haram Tera Nahin Hai
Tu Aman Aur Sulah Ka Armaan Banega
Insaan Ki Aulad Hai, Insaan Bangea - Sahir Ludhianvi

[Nimii]

Anu YOU AMAZE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

n

[pradeepasrani]

Its indeed thrilling to see a very informed discussion and analysis of some of the finest Urdu lyrics written in the annals of Hindi Film Industry, by Shair-e-Azam Sahir Ludhianvi. Unfortunately a hectic work schedule doesn't permit me to contribute as frequently as some of you are doing but I am indeed grategul for this enriching experience.

I would like to reiterate what I wrote about a year back in the same thread but under a different title, Sahir - A Great Lyricist

"Given the all pervading crass commercialism in our society leading to younger minds running after professions which would fetch millions in salaries or profits and completely ignoring the study of languages, it is highly unlikely that 21 century will ever see the emergence of young poets in any language, leave alone the geniuses of the caliber of Sahir. So let's be thankful that we lived in an age in which Sahir bestowed upon us the finest Urdu ghazals and nazms, many of which became even more memorable as they were set to music and sung by legendary music directors and singers of our times."

Pradeep

[Nimii]

Pradeep ji do keep posting whenever you do find time..

This is one of my fav threads.. Love to read more info rich posts from well-knowledged ppl like Madhz and you.

N

[mmuk2004]

Wow! Excellent work, Madhvi. Very impressive and extremely informative! How did I miss this thread? Finally, someone has taken the initiative to indite about my neglected Sahir Ludhianvi. What a great poet, he was! I am fortunate and blessed to have hailed from Punjab. I was born in Ludhiana and went to the same government college where Sahir studied and walked on the same portals as Sahir Ludhianvi did.

I have always been fascinated by Sahir's poetry. He has influenced me to great extents.

Sahir has penned over 700 filmy songs. I already have more than 400 of Sahir's songs and wish to someday acquire all his songs. Who can forget his first recorded song - "Mohabbat Tark Ki Maine" - sung in Talat Mehmood's silken voice, and his first released song "Thandi Hawayein" sung by Lata. Each and every Sahir's song is close to my heart.My favorite soaked in liquor song of Sahir is "Mehfil Se Uth Jaane Waalon". Madhvi, I would appreciate it if you could comment on this song ( take your time , I know I am last in queue). You might be aware that this song was written for Amrita Pritam and Imroz.

Amrita Pritam wrote in her autobiography - Raseedi Ticket :-

"I recall - many years ago when Sahir had come to Delhi, he invited and Imroz to the hotel where he was staying. We were there for a couple of hours. Sahir had placed an order for whisky and there were three glasses on the table. We returned deep into the night.And when it was almost midnight - Sahir called me up saying : " There are still three glasses lying on the table, and by turn I am sipping from each of them, and writing '' These Empty Goblets Are My Companions." ( Mere Saathi Khaali Jaam )

Then she writes - Only nature is likely to know that there was some thread, who knows related to which birth, which even in this birth was wrapped around the three of us.In 1990 when Jalandhar Doordarshan shot a film on my life they asked me to reflect on my relationship with both Sahir Ludhianvi and Imroz - At that point , I had said - "There is only one sole relationship of pain - of agony - of the hiccup of separation - of musical resonance of the pipe which can be heard despite those hiccups of longing.This was the relationship with Sahir - this is the relationship with Imroz.. This was Sahir's love when I wrote : -

Tumhe Phir Yaad Kiya Hai
Hum Ne Phir Aag Ko Chooma
Ishq Chahe Ek Zehar Ka Pyala Sahi
Maine Ek Ghoont Peena Chaha__Amrita Pritam

Not only Sahir's filmy songs but also his other work captivates and fascinates me. The intensity in his poetry deeply moves me and leaves me enthralled. I possess both of his books - Talkhiyaan and Aao Koi Khwab Bune. I am yet to acquire another book of his - Gaata Jaaye Banjara (suggested by a friend of mine). Sahir's poetry does not only focus on love and romance, but also captures other aspects of life. The bleak realities of life are exposed. In his poetry, Sahir reveals pain and suffering, his respect for women, his great understanding and acceptance of various religions, and his desire to find harmony and tranquility in life. His poetry reveal both his positive outlook and his rebellious and cynical spirit towards life. He arrived at a philosophy of his own.

I wish he could have lived for many more years. He left behind many of admirers like us.

Thanks Madhvi. What a treat!

Nafrat Jo Sikhaye Woh Dharam Tera Nahin Hai
Insaan Ko Raunde Woh Qadam Tera Nahin Hai
Quraan Na Ho Jis Mein Woh Mandir Nahin Tera
Geeta Na Ho Jis Mein Woh Haram Tera Nahin Hai
Tu Aman Aur Sulah Ka Armaan Banega
Insaan Ki Aulad Hai, Insaan Bangea - Sahir Ludhianvi

What a superb, impassioned write-up Anupama That is exactly the way I feel when I read Sahir, engaged. He engages me with his varied insights, his empathy, and the amazing simplicity with which he can state the most complicated of observations. Would love to hear your insights into his poetry , which songs that you want to wax eloquent about. I restricted myself mainly to songs that were not often discussed vis-a-vis Sahir, as they were very much part of the mainstream cinema of that time and not particularly radical in their orientation and I wanted people to notice that even ordinary, situational songs were transformed when Sahir penned them down.

Please do give us some more write-ups on songs that you want to write about... or add on your comments to the songs already discussed. Would love to read about them...

Madhavi