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post Feb 26 2009, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(Nidhi @ Feb 25 2009, 05:40 PM) *


Frankly, it would be an insult to pay attention to your post. It's rightful place would be the trash can. Though I avoided your thread on the same subject pretty well knowing your attitude, you still continue to languish in the same mindset & vituperative tone that seems to be a hallmark of your nature. The discussion is about a movie & its finer points. Each one of us have our own likes & dislikes but what has that got to with Nationalism & Patriotism. Since you are on the subject, let me take it a bit further.


True, you are the most patriotic & nationalistic Indian of all Indians. But look at where you are, in San Francisco, the White Man's land. Seems like you lost confidence in the Indian nation. You showed your appreciation of your native land in the usual way: by getting out of it as soon as you possibly could. Hence I presume you feel embarrassed by all the filth & squalor in which the poor live in India & that which is shown in the movie. Looks like that after this movie you may not be able to face the white man in the street. Those living in Ivory Towers find it difficult to face the ground realities.



Nidhi ji no one made any personal attack on you . then did you wrote in such harsh tone to parag??
Parag ji "might be" wrong but wats the point in making such personal comments on his post and on him??

Are we discussing something over here or FORCING our views on others??
( I remember even you had wriiten in similar tone to me !). he is bold enogh to share his personal details like loc etc not many people can dare to share this. (Including you !!)

ndian talent was recognised via this movie, GOOD. and SDM might be best movie in the world, but thats the diff issue. here we are discussing another aspect of this movie. why these westerns always make movies on these -ve issues only?? and wats the harm in discussing it ??


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Sonu bhai

Location, name , photo and Date of birth.

And you have rightly hit the nail on the head. Why the western world likes to portray only negative things about India?

Any one and every one knows the derogatory term "Gali ka kut@$%" which is very similar to the meaning of this newly coined world "slumdog". By giving such a name to the film, the producers have made their point in showing India in poor light.

I have been observing for last 2 years or so that the member in question only likes to pick such controversial topics and continue to do India bashing or Hindu bashing.


So before some one makes a judgement, they need to know from where all that "gyaan" is coming from and what is the motive behind it.

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I saw SDM. Not a bad movie. Yes the book is written by an Indian, poverty is a reality in India, as it is in many parts of the world. Leaving all that aside, If the same movie was produced and directed by an Indian
as oppose to Brition, would it have got the same recognition.?? I have doubts. Not to take anything away
from Danny Boyle or the cast. They made a good movie on a low budget. But awards don't always
tell the whole truth. Be it Oscars of Filmfare.

I just watched Tare Zamen Par, as I had misplaced my dvd. In my view as a movie TZP is far better than SDM. TZP was also an enrty for Oscar, granted in different catagory, but did not get anywhere.



Desai ji said it very well. repeating your lines :
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Leaving all that aside, If the same movie was produced and directed by an Indian
as oppose to Brition, would it have got the same recognition.?? I
have doubts. Not to take anything away from Danny Boyle or the cast. They made a good movie on a low budget. But awards don't always
tell the whole truth. Be it Oscars of Filmfare.

wahi baat jo main kehna chaahta hoon.
This movie was produced by an foriegner for foriegn audience. Indians won that prizes because they worked for diff set of audience.
our world is totally dif then theirs !. did they ever bothered to check Gulazar's earlier work?? or A R rehman's other work or INDIAN music by other artists??
Oscars koi best paimaana nahin hai talent ko dekhne ka !


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Sonu bhai

Location, name , photo and Date of birth.

And you have rightly hit the nail on the head. Why the western world likes to portray only negative things about India?

Any one and every one knows the derogatory term "Gali ka kut@$%" which is very similar to the meaning of this newly coined world "slumdog". By giving such a name to the film, the producers have made their point in showing India in poor light.

I have been observing for last 2 years or so that the member in question only likes to pick such controversial topics and continue to do India bashing or Hindu bashing.

So before some one makes a judgement, they need to know from where all that "gyaan" is coming from and what is the motive behind it.

Jai Hind!


Parag bhai main iss topic mein padna nahin chaahta tha. magar apke personal details ko use karke humiliate karne ki koshish kari.(which you NEVER did to her ! ).Kamaal hai aapka jawaab phir bhi kaafi civilised tha. mere jaise to garam jaldi ho jaatein hai !!

Anyone's views might be wrong on SDB. but wats the harm in discussing one of the thosand aspects of any movie.?? recognistion for indians/talent is diff issue then the movie theme ! why do these westerns mostly choose these topics ??( spirituality is another one !!)

I cant t say anything if she is writng against Hindus ( or any other faith),. it depends wats she is writing. now people of all faiths are involved in violence .But one thing is assured she cant write "against India" till Iam here rolleyes.gif ( N I have time with me tongue1.gif )


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Any one and every one knows the derogatory term "Gali ka kut@$%" which is very similar to the meaning of this newly coined world "slumdog". By giving such a name to the film, the producers have made their point in showing India in poor light.




Parag,

I was merely commenting on the film, I have not been very active of late so I don't know the background to this issue. I certainly do not approve of personal attacks but I do believe that one can have a difference of opinion and one can debate it politely without it becoming a boxing match! ninja.gif Okay, let me re-phrase that, as it is certainly interesting to hear strong opinions from either side... surely one can debate it spiritedly, without having to draw blood... biggrin.gif

The word "dog" in English has very different cultural connotations than what the hindi/urdu phrase "gali ka Kutta" or "kutta" has, in the Indian subcontinent. Have not read much about it, the debate, I mean, on the ramifications of the word or the "poverty porn" angle, but in my mind it seems to miss the point of the film. "You old dog," and its variations, for example, would be a backhanded compliment in English. It suggests an admirable slyness, an ability to outwit the opponent/circumstances/world. I feel that "slumdog" is used in a very British way, after all, it is made by a Britisher even though the story is about India. I don't see the point in such policing of terms, it takes away from the cultural complexity of language.

In fact it also plays on the derogatory elements of the term, and makes it into something of a triumphant thumbing-you-nose-at-em.

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Madhavi

I share your sentiments about SDM giving Deja Vu of a typical bollywood film. After watching the Oscars, I did see the movie yesterday.

Between wasn't the story of the first half (where they show slums & the life there) from late 70s and early 80's. The brother in the latter half of the movie shows Jamal that all those slums ( including the one they used to live in ) have been demolished & replaced by office buildings & apartment housings as India has developed and he is also now working as an aid to some builder?

Back to the movie, Nothing to take away from the technical aspects & acting (i found the kids portion more engrossing than the portion with the grown ups) but I found the film pretty bland & typically Hindi right down to the climax when they are dancing in the railway station in music video format a la most of the recent Hindi film climax !

The Oscars handed to Rahman & sound mixing was deserving though.. even though I hated how they used the Jai Ho song in the movie.

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Parag bhai main iss topic mein padna nahin chaahta tha. magar apke personal details ko use karke humiliate karne ki koshish kari.(which you NEVER did to her ! ).Kamaal hai aapka jawaab phir bhi kaafi civilised tha. mere jaise to garam jaldi ho jaatein hai !!

Jai bharati !


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Sonu bhai

Thats typical of this member in question. Likes to make personal attacks. Anyways, I did not want to repeat the same and malign myself.

As I said earlier, film is a different thing, but the motive of this person is definitely dangerous!

For now, I am off this topic (and the other which I myself opened).

Poverty porn rocks!

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I share your sentiments about SDM giving Deja Vu of a typical bollywood film. After watching the Oscars, I did see the movie yesterday.


Is it out on blockbuster?

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My children saw this movie in its first week of release. They watch mostly western movies; they didn't like the movie at all. Since it was nominated for 10 oscars, late last week, I went to see the movie.

It is worth recollecting that oscars are voted by a few thousand motion picture association members. In my opinion this movie didn't deserve 8 oscars. It is a slightly above average movie. I didn't mind seeing it once. I felt, the childrens characters were depicted reasonably well. However, the scenes involving villains were no better than very ordinary movies. Over all I liked the music; except, in a few instances the background music was a bit noisy. The last dance scene on the railway platform doesn't fit with the movie.

On several situations, the movie makers didn't seem to have paid attention to details. It has been already reported in several forums that 'darshan do ghanshyaam' was written by G. S. Nepali and not by any of four choices in the movie's game show. If the movies main character Jamaal saw Zanjeer (1973) shooting, it doesn't seem to fit with his age in the movie. If a game show host's intention is to popularize a game show he would rather be making entertaining jokes; instead at times, the host appeared to be rediculing Jamaal. The police officers investigated cheating aligation soley by interrogating Jamaal. I don't recollect if they made any attempt to look at the operations of the game show to find out possible methods by which he could have cheated. In my opinion, a movie worthy of so many oscars would have paid attention to details. These are my personal impressions of this movie.

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I share your sentiments about SDM giving Deja Vu of a typical bollywood film. After watching the Oscars, I did see the movie yesterday.


Is it out on blockbuster?


No. I think it is releasing in April on DVD. It is still in theaters.

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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Feb 25 2009, 11:30 AM) *

QUOTE(parag_sankla @ Feb 25 2009, 12:48 PM) *


Any one and every one knows the derogatory term "Gali ka kut@$%" which is very similar to the meaning of this newly coined world "slumdog". By giving such a name to the film, the producers have made their point in showing India in poor light.




Parag,

I was merely commenting on the film, I have not been very active of late so I don't know the background to this issue. I certainly do not approve of personal attacks but I do believe that one can have a difference of opinion and one can debate it politely without it becoming a boxing match! ninja.gif Okay, let me re-phrase that, as it is certainly interesting to hear strong opinions from either side... surely one can debate it spiritedly, without having to draw blood... biggrin.gif




Madhavi

I am sure you would have seen the kind of personal attack done on me by this member in question in this thread. Also just a glance on the politics and religion forums will tell any one what kind of member this is. Consistently taking anti-India and anti-Hindu stand and giving tons of "gyaan". (By the way, I am not Hindu by religion, but extremely proud of Hinduism and our heritage.)

I am not very good at vocabulary and framing very good sentences like some learned members here, but this news article perfectly echoed my sentiments:

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.a...me=m3GntEw72ik=

Anyways, life goes on. So let us get over this "slum" and "dog" issues. I just wanted to make my point, which I did. As usual, found very little support (Sonu), every one else is playing "its ok" tunes.

No worries.

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Parag,

We all know you to be a very productive and active member who is always ready to help people out. Nobody is questioning that. But in this case I happen to disagree with you about my reaction to a movie. I did not even like the movie that much and am in the unenviable position of defending it. Here's a personal request: See the movie, and don't let others decide for you what you like or don't like about the movie.

As regards that article, in my mind it is a ridiculous argument...there are enuf holes in it to make swiss cheese get an inferiority complex! biggrin.gif

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There was no need to use the 50:50 option or phone a friend, as the issue was locked from the beginning, ever since Slumdog Millionaire was nominated for the Oscars. We all knew Danny Boyle would get the award, having portrayed India negatively, projecting the slums and drains of Bharat, the inhuman behaviour of the police and highlighting the brothels of Mumbai.


With goons flourishing in the slums of Mumbai, engaged in making big money and the mafia plucking out eyes of children, the film had the right mix of ingredients to make it to the top at the Oscar awards ceremony.

After all, it’s this aspect of India that’s been adored by phirangs in the past, who term India as the country of snake-charmers and elephants, refusing to believe that it is at par today with any other country in the areas of IT, science and technology, fashion and beauty care as well.



We all knew: who are the "we"? I did not, and I can tell you of any number of people (Indians) who do not come in the "we" category. The assumption that "we" knew Boyle would get the award because he portrayed India negatively has no logic to it. The writer has assumed that that is the one and only reason why movies get oscars, because "she" and "we" said so. The writer goes on to make a series of such claims without providing any support whatsoever for it:

With goons flourishing etc... the film has the right mix of ingredients to make it to the top at the Oscars...(right mix according to who?)

After all, it is this aspect of India that has been adored by phirangs (What a sweeping statement, how does she support this? And btw, who are these phirangs?...this kind of en-bloc lumping of people as phirags reeks of bias... besides that they must be dinosaurs who don't know that India has progressed in the areas of IT, Science and Technology... )

Sangeet, you were right, the film does have this sense of history that I had not noticed before(from the slums of the 70s-80s to the modern India of bpos and new highrise buildings).

People can like or dislike the movie for various reasons, and that does not have anything to do with supporting or not supporting you. Just as they might not agree with you that it portrays India negatively, but that does not mean they think that it is "o.k" to portray India negatively.

Hey bhagwan... too long, it sounds a little garbled to me now... sad.gif anyways... if you want to bypass this lengthy post... just read this:

Watch the movie and decide for yourself!








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Why fret over 'sale' of 'Slumdog' kid?

Nikhat Kazmi - Monday April 20, 2009


Can Rubina Ali be another Zahara Marley Jolie-Pitt? Correction. Should Rubina Ali have the freedom to become another Zahara Marley Rubina Jolie-Pitt?



The story of the eight-year-old ‘Oscar-winning' kid (that's her USP, according to dad, Rafiq Qureshi) who was reportedly up for sale for a few crores isn't so simplistic at all. Of course, my initial reaction was like the rest: Ugh! How can a dad do this! But once the volley of angry adjectives -- Disgusting, Apalling, Revolting -- had run dry, cold reason set in. I suddenly remembered what six-month-old Zahara's biological mother had said after Jolie had airlifted her malnourished and dehydrated infant from the Wide Horizons for Children orphanage from Addis Ababa.



According to Mentwabe Dawit, the 24-year-old biological mother of Yemsrachez (now Zahra), the baby was conceived after a knife-point rape and was put up for adoption by the desperate mother who even thought of abandoning her sickly kid rather than see her die. The child was born at Mentwabe's family home but was sent to the orphanage when the young mother was unable to feed her. When Jolie adopted the six-month-old, after admitting her to a hospital for treatment and renaming her Zahara, Mentwabe had said: "My daughter is a very fortunate human being to be adopted by a world-famous lady. I wish them both all the success they deserve."



Today, Zahara lives a life that would have been denied to her in the dust bowls of Ethopia and was last spotted running riot (on celebrity sites) with the rest of her siblings in Toys R Us. Ask Zahara if she would like to return and the answer would definitely be a big `No!' Just as it would be the same for her two other siblings, Maddox and Pax.



Hasn't Maddox Chivan Jolie-Pitt fared better as part of the Brangelina brood than he would have as Rath Vibol, a vagrant in the streets of Battambang, Cambodia. Or for that matter, isn't young Pax Thien Jolie-Pitt poised for a better future than would have been his due if he had continued subsisting on the fringes of Ho Chi Minh city as Kham Quang San, the Vietnamese kid who was abandoned at birth at a local hospital.



Take the case of David Banda Mwale Ciccone Ritchie. When Madonna adopted him from Malawi, the one-year-old infant was suffering from pneumonia after having just survived through malaria and tuberculosis in his short span of life. Of course, his father, Yuhanne had made a few mumblings of discontent after the adoption, but soon realised a better future awaited his son with the Material Girl.



It may sound crude, but there are most things that money can buy. Like, turning your back to hunger and homelessness forever. And opening the doors to education, opportunity and empowerment.



Can Rubina Ali hope for these basics in her life today? The producers of Slumdog Millionaire may have put away a neat sum for the future of the two slum kids, Rubina and Azhar; and some organisation somewhere may have promised them a house sometime in the future. But today, Rubina lives in the Gharib Nagar slums of Bandra, while Azharuddin still has his tarpaulin shanty. They do go to schools, but are these the best schools of Mumbai? Can they hope to be an IIT-IIM aspirant after the kind of education they are receiving. Or else, is a graduate course in Xaviers, Stephens awaiting them in the not-so-distant future. Kids like Zahara and David can surely get into Harvard and MIT if they so desire.



Star-struck Rubina insists in all her interviews that she wants to be an actress like Preity Zinta. Is anyone willing to send her to film school after she graduates? Is there a seat waiting for her at Whistling Woods or even the FTII? Or must she pick up her skills from her slummy existence, which definitely wouldn't take her far on the Preity Zinta path.



Perhaps, the strongest plea against Rubina's adoption (read Sale) would be the love deal. Wouldn't be fair to snatch a daughter away from a father, a sister away from her brother, merely for money's sake, would it? Actually, that's another teaser. Because the little we know about Rubina's personal life isn't all savoury, is it. Two mothers fighting over her, a father forever complaining about the `insufficient' money she earned and a family labelling her a goose that lays the golden egg...it really doesn't seem an environment conducive to a happy and hopeful childhood.



As I said, the answer is still blowin' in the wind

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Any one and every one knows the derogatory term "Gali ka kut@$%" which is very similar to the meaning of this newly coined world "slumdog". By giving such a name to the film, the producers have made their point in showing India in poor light.




Parag,

I was merely commenting on the film, I have not been very active of late so I don't know the background to this issue. I certainly do not approve of personal attacks but I do believe that one can have a difference of opinion and one can debate it politely without it becoming a boxing match! ninja.gif Okay, let me re-phrase that, as it is certainly interesting to hear strong opinions from either side... surely one can debate it spiritedly, without having to draw blood... biggrin.gif

The word "dog" in English has very different cultural connotations than what the hindi/urdu phrase "gali ka Kutta" or "kutta" has, in the Indian subcontinent. Have not read much about it, the debate, I mean, on the ramifications of the word or the "poverty porn" angle, but in my mind it seems to miss the point of the film. "You old dog," and its variations, for example, would be a backhanded compliment in English. It suggests an admirable slyness, an ability to outwit the opponent/circumstances/world. I feel that "slumdog" is used in a very British way, after all, it is made by a Britisher even though the story is about India. I don't see the point in such policing of terms, it takes away from the cultural complexity of language.

In fact it also plays on the derogatory elements of the term, and makes it into something of a triumphant thumbing-you-nose-at-em.

Well said Madhavi.


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QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Feb 27 2009, 10:47 PM) *

Parag,

We all know you to be a very productive and active member who is always ready to help people out. Nobody is questioning that. But in this case I happen to disagree with you about my reaction to a movie. I did not even like the movie that much and am in the unenviable position of defending it. Here's a personal request: See the movie, and don't let others decide for you what you like or don't like about the movie.

As regards that article, in my mind it is a ridiculous argument...there are enuf holes in it to make swiss cheese get an inferiority complex! biggrin.gif

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There was no need to use the 50:50 option or phone a friend, as the issue was locked from the beginning, ever since Slumdog Millionaire was nominated for the Oscars. We all knew Danny Boyle would get the award, having portrayed India negatively, projecting the slums and drains of Bharat, the inhuman behaviour of the police and highlighting the brothels of Mumbai.


With goons flourishing in the slums of Mumbai, engaged in making big money and the mafia plucking out eyes of children, the film had the right mix of ingredients to make it to the top at the Oscar awards ceremony.

After all, it’s this aspect of India that’s been adored by phirangs in the past, who term India as the country of snake-charmers and elephants, refusing to believe that it is at par today with any other country in the areas of IT, science and technology, fashion and beauty care as well.



We all knew: who are the "we"? I did not, and I can tell you of any number of people (Indians) who do not come in the "we" category. The assumption that "we" knew Boyle would get the award because he portrayed India negatively has no logic to it. The writer has assumed that that is the one and only reason why movies get oscars, because "she" and "we" said so. The writer goes on to make a series of such claims without providing any support whatsoever for it:

With goons flourishing etc... the film has the right mix of ingredients to make it to the top at the Oscars...(right mix according to who?)

After all, it is this aspect of India that has been adored by phirangs (What a sweeping statement, how does she support this? And btw, who are these phirangs?...this kind of en-bloc lumping of people as phirags reeks of bias... besides that they must be dinosaurs who don't know that India has progressed in the areas of IT, Science and Technology... )

Sangeet, you were right, the film does have this sense of history that I had not noticed before(from the slums of the 70s-80s to the modern India of bpos and new highrise buildings).

People can like or dislike the movie for various reasons, and that does not have anything to do with supporting or not supporting you. Just as they might not agree with you that it portrays India negatively, but that does not mean they think that it is "o.k" to portray India negatively.

Hey bhagwan... too long, it sounds a little garbled to me now... sad.gif anyways... if you want to bypass this lengthy post... just read this:

Watch the movie and decide for yourself!

Never too long for those keen on getting some wonderful insights.


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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw ."

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