Some Eye-openers On Rafi Saab's Songs Break-up, Who are the top 17 MDs with highest no. of Rafi songs? Options

[nasir]

Ramesh Ji,

If Lata wanted Royalty or say, wanted HMV to give her 75% of HMV's profit, it is her own problem or ambition. She should handle it herself with HMV. Why demand that Rafi Saab should follow her and if he does not, why boycott him? You still see her as a reasonable human being?

Venkat

The reason why Lata thought Rafi saab could follow her in the royalty issue is because she had noticed that Rafi had already emerged as the top-most male playbcak singer, far ahead of the competition by the time 1963 came along, so she thought she could receive support from him.

The two just stopped singing together until Jaikishan patched them up. Thank God they did or we would have lost alot of great duets that came later. The Lata-Rafi duet pair is golden and the greatest ever.

Yes, the majority of MD's preferred Rafi saab to Lata during the rift which shows that none could replace him.

Adding to the list, Lata's tiff with SDB, but that's another story for another time.

Now, if I remember rightly, was AAYEE MILAN KI BELA their last film together?
Undoubtedly, the record breaking period of Rafi Sahaab's popularity was 1963, 1964 and 1965, according to my memory. Is this right?

Was the patch up for the movie PALKON KI CHAAON MEN? I remember that what had appeared in the film magazines then. Some say it was with the song: DIL PUKAARE AA RE AA RE (Jewel Thief). What's fact?
Please....


NASIR.

[august]

Mahesh Ji,
The fact is Asha is way ahead of Lata even in worldly-wiseness (also known as manipulative and opporunistic
qualities). She has no loyalty to anyone except to herself and MONEY.
Let me exemplify. Firstly, she was not loyal to her own sister in her dispute (though ill-advised) with Rafi Saab and
hence could sing merrily with Rafi Saab during Lata's boycott of Rafi Saab for 2/3 years! (It is a different matter
that I am a big fan of Asha's duets with Rafi Saab!). Secondly, she was not loyal to the MD who made his life's
mission to get due recognition for Asha by making her his main female singer and also by not recording even one
song with Lata! Finally, she also also does not appear to be loyal to the best playback singer this earth had ever seen, namely Rafi Saab. She hardly ever mentions him in interviews with wholesome appreciation, though she had ung a whopping 800 duets with him!

Who, then, are most important to her now? A.R.Rehman, etc.!

Venkat

now you have mentioned- " asha wasn't loyal to her sister in this dispute with rafi saab."
if she had remained loyal, you would shout that sisters together boycotted Rafi.

now OPN not recording with lata had nothing to do with asha. he had refused to work with her even before he started working with asha. and i sincerely think that both of them have lost nothing in this whole issue. what's the big deal if we didnt get to hear few songs?

no one knows why Asha and OPN didn't work in later years.
if there was some personal rift between them, i wouldn't expect asha to praise him openly in interviews.

now why do you expect asha to mention Rafi in every interviews? if she prefers other singers over him, its her choice. why should it bother others if she has personal favourites?

this whole business of blaming the sisters throughout your posts actually shows how much their opinions matter to you.
if you really were not bothered about them, you wouldn't care what they said.

Sajdah Ji,
You seem to have meant, "Aren't we all like Asha?" No, I am not like Asha. If I were her, I would be oozing with gratitude and loyalty for OPN throughout my life! I would also be showering due, wholesome and well-deserved praise on Rafi Saab, my co-singer in 800 lovely duets! Well, as far as not backing Lata's boycott of Rafi Saab is oncerned, I don't fault Asha so much as in the first two cases. But, even there, what strikes is that she quickly made use of the situation to her advantage!

You talked of untrue journalism. But , the following are verified facts:

1.OPN had propped up Asha single-handedly and Asha now talks as if OPN never existed!

2.She does not whole-heartdly recall and appreciate Rafi Saab!

3.Lata stopped singing with Rafi Saab for 2/3 years in 1964/65/66 because Rafi Saab did not want make common cause with her in her demand for Royalty from HMV. He did no harm to her. He just said, "Leave me alone".

Could that be a valid reason for her high-handed boycott of him? But, Lata only lost from that foolish move of hers nd the biggest gainer was Asha.

OPN worked with asha because her voice and style suited him. she was ready to mould her voice the way he wanted. nothing more than that. let us not make sound OPN too much loyal person and asha some cold blooded woman.

What about her boycott of Shankar, Raj
Kapoor at various times? What about her demand from Naushad to pay her driver separately?
She ended her boycott of Rafi Saab only when she realised that she was losing phenomenally to Asha and Suman,
and not because HMV had given in. In fact, HMV had decided to pay Royalty to singers much much later! Her boycott of Rafi Saab made her a laughing stock because all the MDs, in turn, boycotted her for duets. She fondly hoped and calculated that her boycott would be a good lesson to Rafi Saab! But, alas, out of 100 duet situations,
in 90, she was replaced by Asha or Suman. Only in 10 out of 100, Rafi Saab was replaced by Mahendra or
Mukesh.

Venkat

to pay her driver?? this is hilarious... where did you read this?
did naushad tell this story? please don't believe his stories.
btw, did she also make him pay her own maid servent?

sensible people generally don't work with each other , if they have some problems.
what's so special about lata not working with Shankar, Raj Kapoor?

while lata and rafi were not singing together, she sang with mahendra kapoor, mukesh, talat mehmood, manna dey, hemant kumar and kishore kumar.

its obvious that if she wasn't singing with him, music directors would call asha or suman or other female singers to

sing a duet. what's so strange?

and i shouldn't even start about your choice of words.

[venkat]

Friends,

Rafi Saab had sung Hindi songs for as many as over 245 MDs! Of these 245+ MDs, I am giving the list of the top 17 MDs for whom Rafi Saab sang the most.

Name of MD No. of Rafi Saab's songs

1.Lakshmikant Pyaarelal 369

2.Shankar Jaikishan 341

3.Chitragupta 248

4.Ravi 235

5.O.P.Nayyar 197

6.Kalyanji Anandji 169

7.Madan Mohan 160

8.Naushad 149

9.Rahul Dev Burman 122

10.Usha Khanna 116

11.Sonik Omi 104

12.N.Dutta 102

13.S.D.Burman 96

14.Husnlal Bhagatram 95

15.Roshan 88

16.Hansraj Behl 88

17.S.N.Tripathi 78

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Total for top 17 MDs 2757 (Include solos, duets, group songs, etc.)

In the above list, Chitragupta, Usha Khanna, N.Dutta are real surprises! Similarly, SDB and Roshan are surprising in the opposite way.

Venkat

Friends,

I will list the next 20 MDs, in the order of the highest no. of songs of Rafi Saab, shortly.

Venkat

[harihar]

List of Mds
Please excuse for any errors

Chorus - More than two singers













List of Rafi's Lyricists coming up

[venkat]

Great Job, Harihar Ji. Prima Facie, you seem to be close to my own compilation.

But, will comment more a little later and at more leisure!

Thanks again.

Venkat

[nasir]

Great Job, Harihar Ji. Prima Facie, you seem to be close to my own compilation.

But, will comment more a little later and at more leisure!

Thanks again.

Venkat

Very pertinent - very topical and a great job!

All the best both Venkatji and Harihar bhai.


NASIR.

[humble_rafi]

Last time when i met Rafi Foundation members,i met a man he is from media and works for Ministery.He is a very big fan of RAFI SAHAB.He told us an incidence of Anil Biswas.He went to AB's house to get first hand information about RAFI SAHAB.At first he was fine but when he got to know about RAFI SAHAB he said to come later.

Next time when he again went to his house his wife said he was't at home.He lingered at his place and finally got to know that he was in the house.His wife further said he was busy in prayer.

This man later found that when AB's son started his career as a music director he was informed to ask RAFI SAHAB to sing his numbers as RAFI SAHAB was generous to new comers.RAFI SAHAB sang AB's son's first movie songs.RAFI SHAAB praised AB when he got to know that he was the son of AB.

[harihar]

List of Rafi's Lyricists coming up

Please excuse any spelling errors of names
















Coming up Co-singers

[harihar]

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Coming up Co-singers

Please excuse any spelling errors of names

[venkat]

Phenomenal attempt, once again, Harihar Ji.

so, while Rafi Saab had sung for nearly 250 MDs (by itself must be a record!), his lyricists are even greater in number at about 280!

But, Harihar Ji, the serious dispute I have is on your numbers for his female co-singers.

While it is well-known to analysts that Asha had sung almost twice the number of songs compared to Lata with Rafi Saab, your ranking of Geeta, Shamshad and Suman at 3, 4 and 5 respectively does not appear correct!

As per my info., Rank 3 goes to Suman Kalyanpur, Rank 4 to Geeta Dutt and Rank 5 to Shamshad Begum.

Shall give more comments later.

Venkat

[harihar]

Phenomenal attempt, once again, Harihar Ji.

so, while Rafi Saab had sung for nearly 250 MDs (by itself must be a record!), his lyricists are even greater in number at about 280!

But, Harihar Ji, the serious dispute I have is on your numbers for his female co-singers.

While it is well-known to analysts that Asha had sung almost twice the number of songs compared to Lata with Rafi Saab, your ranking of Geeta, Shamshad and Suman at 3, 4 and 5 respectively does not appear correct!

As per my info., Rank 3 goes to Suman Kalyanpur, Rank 4 to Geeta Dutt and Rank 5 to Shamshad Begum.

Shall give more comments later.

Venkat

Guruji aap ki baat sahi ho. yeh pata nahi, lekin jis kitaab mein se ye sab kuch likha hai oosne (writer) bhi kuch gaane ke singer naa jaan ne se "anjaan" category mein daale hue hain. See line 20 and 36, maybe these consist those that the writer has been unable to identify to the correct singer?


I may cross ref other books to see if there is any consistency.

[yogihit]

It is not so easy for any MD to bypass Rafi Saab! Contrary to what you wrote on Anil Biswas, even he had hired Rafi Saab for as many as 14 songs (7 solos, 5 duets and 2 group songs).

Venkat ji,



Thank you for the new information about Rafi Sahab singing for Anil Biswas for as many as 14 songs. I really had no idea about that. Could you please give us a list of those songs or at least the names of the movies for which Rafi Sahab sang for Anil Biswas?



But I have read that Anil Biswas had made that comment about rafi Sahab....

SKG,

There is a film called "Dashavatar" (1951) in which Rafi Saab sang 2 solos for AB. A film called "Heer" (1956) in which he sang 2 solos for Pradeep Kumar of which one is fairly poular (Le Ja Us Ki Duvayen Ho, Jo Tera Ho Na Saka).

Can anyone u/l this? Similarly, there are others, SKG.

Venkat

Hello All
Request to upload full "Dashavatar" (1951) album

Thanks in advance

[Shahrukh3000]

rafi sang more than 600 songs for Laxmikant-Pyarelal
for Shankar Jaikishan he sang 367 songs

This post has been edited by Shahrukh3000: May 4 2011, 09:34 PM

[yogihit]

It is not so easy for any MD to bypass Rafi Saab! Contrary to what you wrote on Anil Biswas, even he had hired Rafi Saab for as many as 14 songs (7 solos, 5 duets and 2 group songs).

Venkat ji,



Thank you for the new information about Rafi Sahab singing for Anil Biswas for as many as 14 songs. I really had no idea about that. Could you please give us a list of those songs or at least the names of the movies for which Rafi Sahab sang for Anil Biswas?



But I have read that Anil Biswas had made that comment about rafi Sahab....

SKG,

There is a film called "Dashavatar" (1951) in which Rafi Saab sang 2 solos for AB. A film called "Heer" (1956) in which he sang 2 solos for Pradeep Kumar of which one is fairly poular (Le Ja Us Ki Duvayen Ho, Jo Tera Ho Na Saka).

Can anyone u/l this? Similarly, there are others, SKG.

Venkat

Hello All
Request to upload full "Dashavatar" (1951) album

Thanks in advance

re-requesting..