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post Jan 8 2007, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(Mandrake @ Jan 8 2007, 04:13 PM) *

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is there anyy hindu literature which not in sanskrit but in local languages only and of importance??

Yes sbfan, one of the biggest literatures of all times, the Dnyaneshwari - written by Sant Gyaneshwar, was written in Marathi. It was specifically not written in sanskrit as he wanted the masses to avail of the knowledge that the brahmins so jealously guarded.



I believe Tulsi Ramayan is written in Hindi by Sant Tulsidas , for similar reasons, so that it was avialable
to the masses.

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post Jan 9 2007, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(parag_sankla @ Jan 8 2007, 07:49 PM) *

Suhas, I think it is the other way round as far as my knowledge goes.

Since the "Shri Bhagwadgeeta" written in Sanskrit was not accessible to the common man (due to the fact that the knowledge of Sanskrit was limited to a few elites), Sant Dnyaneshwar translated it into Marathi. That is the birth of Dnyaneshwari. It is not exactly word to word translation but "Rasaal Anuwad" ( extended translation or transliteration ?)



could it be termed as 'Vivechan'?

Dnayneshwar explained Geeta to masses.

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post Jan 9 2007, 01:00 AM
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matlab auggi..
me.marathi mein nill appears to be sanksrit ki choti aur sabse pyari bahen

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post Jan 9 2007, 02:39 PM
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many regional languages were derived from Sanskrit.
in Marathi, most of the words have their origin in Sanskrit.
other than Sanskrit, Marathi borrows many words from Urdu and other languages. smile1.gif






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post Jan 10 2007, 12:32 AM
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bow.gif bow.gif Salaam to all members who posted in this thread. thanks to Suhas bhai .

So much to learn from all of you !



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PS : not to start a Regional conflict in HF but is Tamil not older then Sanskrit??? I think I have read this somewhere ???
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It is said that Tamil is mother of many Dravidian languages as Sanskrit is of all devnagri/norther languages ?? ( plz not pitai if iam wrong sad.gif )



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wah sonu kya ratio hai!!!!!!!!!!!!! tumhara....... what i learnt TAMIL is too derived from sanskrit


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for origin of Tamil, please refer to following article.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5180/tamil7.html






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post Jan 10 2007, 08:43 AM
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Sigh august... sad1.gif

The very first line in that artricle says .... when the Aryans came into India through the khyber pass.., and I thought there was no aryan invasion ever, which was proved beyond doubt by recent genetic studies of Indians and Central Asians. Where is bibhas' wonderful article / link on the Migration Theory when one needs to find it ? camera.gif doh.gif

As for which came first Tamil or Sanskrit... I quite often find myself sandwiched between the devil and the deep-sea ! cry.gif


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post Jan 10 2007, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(visuja @ Jan 9 2007, 10:13 PM) *

Sigh august... sad1.gif

The very first line in that artricle says .... when the Aryans came into India through the khyber pass.., and I thought there was no aryan invasion ever, which was proved beyond doubt by recent genetic studies of Indians and Central Asians. Where is bibhas' wonderful article / link on the Migration Theory when one needs to find it ? camera.gif doh.gif

As for which came first Tamil or Sanskrit... I quite often find myself sandwiched between the devil and the deep-sea ! cry.gif

Vivek,
Tumne bulaaya aur.......

here is the link to my post describing that article.
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=225038

Let me know if you want the original PNAS paper.

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Thanks bibhas smile.gif. a pdf file of the original PNAS article (or the complete article reference) would also be just fine biggrin.gif
USRafian's detailed article just a few posts below the link is also worth reading and is very informative.


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post Jan 10 2007, 10:08 AM
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Hi Friends

what are the recent developments for the question of Aryan Invasion. Plz answer in detail

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QUOTE(Mandrake @ Jan 8 2007, 05:11 PM) *

But note the extra 'a' in my post.

sorry, it's all my fault. i didn't notice that a. and thanks for the info. bow.gif

QUOTE(oye_sonu @ Jan 10 2007, 01:32 AM) *

PS : not to start a Regional conflict in HF but is Tamil not older then Sanskrit??? I think I have read this
somewhere ???
unsure.gif
It is said that Tamil is mother of many Dravidian languages as Sanskrit is of all devnagri/norther
languages ?? ( plz not pitai if iam wrong sad.gif )

good question. but what have you read ? tamil is not older or is older ? biggrin.gif
don't worry. no pitaai and regional conflict here. hahaha !!! laugh.gif

QUOTE(sbfan @ Jan 10 2007, 01:53 AM) *

wah sonu kya ratio hai!!!!!!!!!!!!! tumhara....... what i learnt TAMIL is too derived from sanskrit

i think you are right. but it's controversial

now coming to the topic,

there are total 73 dravidian languages. tamil, telugu, malayalam, kannada, tulu, bellari, konda, koya ...
as far as i believe all indian languages have one and only parent and that's sanskrit.
indo-aryan languages are surely daughters of sanskrit, even though dravidian languages sound quite
different, the linguistics say: there are thirty to seventy per cent Sanskrit words in south Indian languages
like telugu, malayalam and tamil, which can be attributed to the heavy borrowing of vocabulary from the
elite indo-aryan languages.

kan, tel and mal have the highest incidence of loans from sanskrit while tam has the lowest.
now why tamil has the lowest ? the reason i heard is: during the medieval period and also in 20th
century(by parithimaar kalaignar and maraimalai adigal), a large number of sanskrit loan words were
washed away to make tamil a pure and independent language.
( this movement is called thanith thamizh iyakkam (meaning pure Tamil movement) )

is there any such movement amongst indo-aryan languages ? i guess not.

tamil literature and language can be categorized into three periods: ancient (500 BCE to 700 CE),
medieval (700 CE to 1500 CE) and modern (1500 CE to the present)

and the oldest tamil literature contains: vishnu and other religious stories which again i believe came from
sanskrit language. now when did sanskrit come into existance ? no precise time, let alone the
pre-classical form of sanskrit, the classical and standard sanskrit dates back to 1500 BCE.

still i have doubt. i request wise persons like bibhas and mandi to pour some light.
i look forward to them. camera.gif

p.s. the oldest form of tamil is called centamil

p.s.1: which culture is older ? dravid or kaling ?

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QUOTE(sbfan @ Jan 9 2007, 11:38 PM) *

Hi Friends

what are the recent developments for the question of Aryan Invasion. Plz answer in detail

regards
sbfan

sbfan,
Please refer to posts 48-58 on this thread and you'll be pretty much up to date. The final word is that there was never an Aryan invasion- we have archealogical, geographical and genetic evidence in support of this conclusion. The river Saraswathi, which was a major source of water apart from Sindhu (or Indus) nadi for the people of the Indus Valley Civilization (now referred to as the Saraswathi-Sindhu Valley Civilization), dried up over the course of time and this forced our ancestors to move further east in search of more fertile rivers.

QUOTE(visuja @ Jan 9 2007, 11:24 PM) *

Thanks bibhas smile.gif. a pdf file of the original PNAS article (or the complete article reference) would also be just fine biggrin.gif
USRafian's detailed article just a few posts below the link is also worth reading and is very informative.

Here you go Vivek: I am uploading the original PNAS article.


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Attached File  Aryan_Invasion_DNA_dis_proof.pdf ( 950.1 k ) Number of hits: 11 by members

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bow.gif Thanks every one for the information. I was bit doubtful thts wh wanted to know from knowldgble members.

This topic is of immense interest for me.......
But I hardly able to get good time to post any good stuff on this. !


Keep posting !


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there are total 73 dravidian languages. tamil, telugu, malayalam, kannada, tulu, bellari, konda, koya ...
as far as i believe all indian languages have one and only parent and that's sanskrit.
indo-aryan languages are surely daughters of sanskrit, even though dravidian languages sound quite
different, the linguistics say: there are thirty to seventy per cent Sanskrit words in south Indian languages
like telugu, malayalam and tamil, which can be attributed to the heavy borrowing of vocabulary from the
elite indo-aryan languages.


Nature bhai Didnt knew That There are 73 Dravidain languages. I used to think they are around few dozens...30-40 max !


Thanks for information !


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Sonu

forgive me if I miss replying or reading ur post............bit busy :-( !
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Khud hi mar mitne ki ye zid hai hamaari......
sach hai duniya waalon hum hain anari !

......back to basics!!!

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This year we CELEBRATE 60 years of Shankar Jaikishan music . come join the celebrations !
Join the SJ fans group for more information :
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/shankarjaikishan/

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