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post Nov 28 2005, 10:59 PM
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I agree on your take about the Fans' reactions at Kolkata...... but I feel Greg Chappel's reaction towards them was far more worse..... I don't need to tell the details..... as the whole nation knows the so called 'reaction' pretty well by now..... tongue.gif doh.gif Too bad, & shameful on his part....... angry.gif

Now, for the positive part of the post... biggrin.gif CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! India have just now won today's match at the Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai, and jointly won the series along with South Africa (2-2). Was a really amazing performance..... bow.gif Aaj ka match toh Paisa Wasool!!!!! tongue.gif poseur.gif jump.gif rotate1.gif rotate2.gif

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! smile1.gif

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post Nov 28 2005, 11:00 PM
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And just to add....... THE CROWD WAS SIMPLY AMAAAAAZIIIIIINGGGGGG!!!!!! thumbs-up.gif bow.gif bow.gif clap1.gif clap2.gif Full Kudos To Aamchi Mumbai!!! smile1.gif

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post Nov 29 2005, 12:10 AM
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Great win by India, and a great bowling performance by them to restrict SA to 221. Batting second was easier on that pitch because in the afternoon it was slow, but credit to the bowlers for keeping things in check.

Rahul Dravid played another fantastic knock, he's always been in my mind India's most valuable batsman, a match-winner, and importantly the backbone of the batting lineup and he showed it again today, three cheers to the captain !.

Shewag was unlucky to get out as he was gearing up for a big knock, the ball was not going to hit the stumps and it was going down leg side. Tendulkar started well, was in good knick, but lost out to a very good catch. But it was nice to see him play his shots and get some form back and Yuvraj played well for his 49 too.

Overall it was a great series with both teams playing good and competitive cricket smile1.gif.



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post Nov 29 2005, 03:47 AM
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QUOTE(princeali @ Nov 29 2005, 12:10 AM) *

Great win by India, and a great bowling performance by them to restrict SA to 221. Batting second was easier on that pitch because in the afternoon it was slow, but credit to the bowlers for keeping things in check.

Rahul Dravid played another fantastic knock, he's always been in my mind India's most valuable batsman, a match-winner, and importantly the backbone of the batting lineup and he showed it again today, three cheers to the captain !.

Shewag was unlucky to get out as he was gearing up for a big knock, the ball was not going to hit the stumps and it was going down leg side. Tendulkar started well, was in good knick, but lost out to a very good catch. But it was nice to see him play his shots and get some form back and Yuvraj played well for his 49 too.

Overall it was a great series with both teams playing good and competitive cricket smile1.gif.


Good review, Princeali ji. Yeah, it was more thrilling than the one sided Sri Lanka series! Rahul's thanked the crowd so sweetly wub.gif
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post Nov 29 2005, 03:55 AM
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Well done Team India for bouncing back and levelling the series. The boys have done well and performed well.

There are still many areas of improvement. I believe Gambhir is strictly OK and Kaif must be given more opportunity.

Pathan has done well as always and so has Harbajan but still a lot of work has to be done on RP Singh and Kartik.

It was a fair result in the end and it clearly demonstrates that we did not miss Ganguly and hopefully thats always the case and well done my Bombay crowd, hopefully the Calcutta crowd can learn an element of decency and patriotism from us.

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post Dec 15 2005, 03:56 AM
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Excellent win by the Indian team. Never allowed SL to come back in the match. Irfan Pathan, another legend in the making and great to see Sachin dominating.

Kumble, easliy the most underrated bowler in the world shoed his esamplry class again. A close look at his records suggest that he is probably the the most conistent leg spinner in the world. His record in good against all teams and specially agaisnt teams that play spin well.

Nice to see Yuvraj and Dhoni play their natural game and play for their team. The only way both can succedd in test matches is to play thier natural game like Sewag.

Laxman needs to get this message too, it was embarssing to see him play in the second innings. The game of cricket has changed and only positive attitude will work.

It seems its curtains for Ganguly. I feel for him as the selectors have confused everyone. First by selcting him and then by dropping hin just when he looked like getting back amongst runs.

Nice to see Wasim Jafer being rewarded for his consistent perfomance at the domestic level. Gambhir is lucky to play, I dont regard him test class. I would have preffered if they groomed Kaif to open the batting and still keep Ganguly in the middle order.

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QUOTE(tracknest @ Dec 15 2005, 03:56 AM) *

Kumble, easliy the most underrated bowler in the world shoed his esamplry class again. A close look at his records suggest that he is probably the the most conistent leg spinner in the world. His record in good against all teams and specially agaisnt teams that play spin well.



I feel the same too angry.gif Atleast, now I hope credit is given where it is due. Never seen that guy complain for not being selected. He worked his way back when he was out of form cool.gif

Also, great team effort. The team rocks now! Poor Ganguly, though sad.gif He has to go, it is logical. But I wish he was given more respect. Whatever the reason, he atleast is not in the way of youngsters unlike Kapil Dev!

Irfan Pathan seems like a level headed guy too. smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2005, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE(tracknest @ Dec 15 2005, 03:56 AM) *

Nice to see Yuvraj and Dhoni play their natural game and play for their team. The only way both can succedd in test matches is to play thier natural game like Sewag.

Laxman needs to get this message too, it was embarssing to see him play in the second innings. The game of cricket has changed and only positive attitude will work.

It seems its curtains for Ganguly. I feel for him as the selectors have confused everyone. First by selcting him and then by dropping hin just when he looked like getting back amongst runs.

Nice to see Wasim Jafer being rewarded for his consistent perfomance at the domestic level. Gambhir is lucky to play, I dont regard him test class. I would have preffered if they groomed Kaif to open the batting and still keep Ganguly in the middle order.


It is so nice to see a cricket thread on this forum. I have a few things to say. First of all I dont think that positive attitude is the only solution in tests. Laxman is the type of batsman who sometime is not very confident and needs time to settle. U can not expect a player to play positive even before settling in, whats the rush in any case? and not everyone can be Sehwag.

Im not sure if its really curtains for Ganguly (however much I would like to see that happen). Indian opening problem is still there, so they had to pick one of the openers and Yuvraj is in very good form, so Ganguly was the only logical choice to be dropped and there is no use in keeping him in the dressing room just sulking and demoralizing the whole team.

I dont think Kaif should be given chance to open the batting, he has one of the worst first class stats for a test batsman, how would u expect him to click in test cricket?

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post Dec 15 2005, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(ashgupta3 @ Dec 15 2005, 06:53 AM) *

QUOTE(tracknest @ Dec 15 2005, 03:56 AM) *

Nice to see Yuvraj and Dhoni play their natural game and play for their team. The only way both can succedd in test matches is to play thier natural game like Sewag.

Laxman needs to get this message too, it was embarssing to see him play in the second innings. The game of cricket has changed and only positive attitude will work.

It seems its curtains for Ganguly. I feel for him as the selectors have confused everyone. First by selcting him and then by dropping hin just when he looked like getting back amongst runs.

Nice to see Wasim Jafer being rewarded for his consistent perfomance at the domestic level. Gambhir is lucky to play, I dont regard him test class. I would have preffered if they groomed Kaif to open the batting and still keep Ganguly in the middle order.


It is so nice to see a cricket thread on this forum. I have a few things to say. First of all I dont think that positive attitude is the only solution in tests. Laxman is the type of batsman who sometime is not very confident and needs time to settle. U can not expect a player to play positive even before settling in, whats the rush in any case? and not everyone can be Sehwag.

Im not sure if its really curtains for Ganguly (however much I would like to see that happen). Indian opening problem is still there, so they had to pick one of the openers and Yuvraj is in very good form, so Ganguly was the only logical choice to be dropped and there is no use in keeping him in the dressing room just sulking and demoralizing the whole team.

I dont think Kaif should be given chance to open the batting, he has one of the worst first class stats for a test batsman, how would u expect him to click in test cricket?


When I said a positive attitude, I meant playing one's natural game. I dont expect everyone to be Sewag but it is embarrassing when a bowler like Irfan is playing with authority and a top player like Laxman struggling. He tried to dig in but dug for too long and got out. Cricket is more about class than stats specially when someone has played as less as Kaif. He is in and out of the team sometimes for no reason at all. He has class.
I agree with you about not including Ganguly, his attitude is not right for the team. He has only himself to blame for his current condition.

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post Dec 20 2005, 04:10 AM
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India is in very strong position at the end of 2nd day of 3rd test against SL. Harbhajan finally got back his ODI touch with impressive bowling figure. Pathan is fast qualifying as a genuine all rounder. Dhoni again showed that he got a sensible head in addition to his hitting capabilities. Laxman’s continuous good form will be a big asset for Pak tour. He wasn’t very successful in last Pak tour, but I can bet this time it will be different.

From the beginning of this season Sehwag has continuously got out in 20s 30s and 40s, wonder if the marriage has something to do with this tongue.gif Kaif is hardly qualified to even be included in Ranji team given his poor FC record (I always thought that Ganguly kept him in the reserve so that he can be used whenever any of the regular middle order batsman is not available, and given his record it is very unlikely that Kaif would ever be a threat to MO, that means being the weakest link in the MO it would directly benefit the ex-captain). Yuvraj has yet to prove that he can sustain his good form for an extended period of time, not to speak of his weakness against spinners.

I feel it was unfair to include Jaffer in the team but not select in the final eleven. By not including him in the team, it is guarantted that he will be going on Pak tour, because he can not be just dropped without being given chance. But if Gambhir fails in the second inning too, it also means that Jaffer in all probability would be playing in the first test against Pak. So now after being out of the team for 3 years, he would be facing one of the toughest pace attack on fast wickets Pak is preparing for the tour. It would have been fair to give him a chance in relatively easier circumstance and let him build some confidence, considering how much pressure he would be.
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post Dec 20 2005, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(ashgupta3 @ Dec 20 2005, 04:10 AM) *
India is in very strong position at the end of 2nd day of 3rd test against SL. Harbhajan finally got back his ODI touch with impressive bowling figure. Pathan is fast qualifying as a genuine all rounder. Dhoni again showed that he got a sensible head in addition to his hitting capabilities. Laxman’s continuous good form will be a big asset for Pak tour. He wasn’t very successful in last Pak tour, but I can bet this time it will be different.

From the beginning of this season Sehwag has continuously got out in 20s 30s and 40s, wonder if the marriage has something to do with this tongue.gif Kaif is hardly qualified to even be included in Ranji team given his poor FC record (I always thought that Ganguly kept him in the reserve so that he can be used whenever any of the regular middle order batsman is not available, and given his record it is very unlikely that Kaif would ever be a threat to MO, that means being the weakest link in the MO it would directly benefit the ex-captain). Yuvraj has yet to prove that he can sustain his good form for an extended period of time, not to speak of his weakness against spinners.

I feel it was unfair to include Jaffer in the team but not select in the final eleven. By not including him in the team, it is guarantted that he will be going on Pak tour, because he can not be just dropped without being given chance. But if Gambhir fails in the second inning too, it also means that Jaffer in all probability would be playing in the first test against Pak. So now after being out of the team for 3 years, he would be facing one of the toughest pace attack on fast wickets Pak is preparing for the tour. It would have been fair to give him a chance in relatively easier circumstance and let him build some confidence, considering how much pressure he would be.


Jaffer is a good batsman and has played well for Mumbai. Unfortunately he could not make much of the opportunity he got last time. Though he played some good knocks against WI in WI. Hopefully he will get his opportunity against Pak.

Despite his failures, I still feel Kaif is long-term prospect for India and that it is just a matter of time before he cements his place. Dhoni and Pathan's batting has been major plus for India. Though it is still early to call Pathan as all-rounder, I hope Dhoni will come good against Pakistan. Pathan's batting, at this stage, is just bonus for India and we should not bank much on it.

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QUOTE(vivekpm @ Dec 20 2005, 02:20 PM) *

Despite his failures, I still feel Kaif is long-term prospect for India and that it is just a matter of time before he cements his place. Dhoni and Pathan's batting has been major plus for India. Though it is still early to call Pathan as all-rounder, I hope Dhoni will come good against Pakistan. Pathan's batting, at this stage, is just bonus for India and we should not bank much on it.

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Some information for u, just in case u r not aware of. Kaif has been playing first class cricket for the last 8 years. In the 67 matches that he has played so far, he scored 5 centuries, with highest score of 136 and a pathetic average of 37. I think other than BD and Zim teams, you wont find any other test batsmen with such poor record. Even most all rounders have better batting averages. So on what basis u think he is going to succeed in test?

If he has so much potential y cant he first prove it in FC matches? I can understand a logic that a domestic player who scores heavily in FC matches, may not succeed in international cricket coz of lack in technique. But how can a player with such a poor domestic record will ever succeed in tests? Is it just ur gut feeling or there is any logic to it? The ppl who make such opinions only go by the hype created by media.

This is just setting a bad example that a player can get selected based merely on hype and the so called "potential" w/o any need to back it up with concrete performances. I will be disappointed if either of Kaif or Ganguly is selected for the Pak tour. Ganguly coz he is just going to demoralize the team with his presence. Whatever good he has done in past as past, now he comes with lots of baggage. He deserve to be given a decent retirement, like any other senior player. But if he decide to hang on, he will be risking whatever reputation he has left. If he still has in him, he can prove it by scoring runs in first class matches. This is how any respectable cricketer would do rather than putting pressure thorough other means. He should learn from players like Mohinder Amarnath on how to make come back in the team with ur performance (even Laxman has done it more than once).

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Attitude, Attitude and Attitude. Thats what we are seeing in this current Indian team. All players seem to be switched on and it is heartening to see them play with such pride and determination.

Very hapy to see Harbajan perform. He is a class act and easily the best offspinner in the world and he displayed that with some amazing stuff.

SL have a job on their hands may be they want to take some inspiration from Rudolph who in my opinion played the greatest test inning of this decade. He is a player to watch. Another chink in the aromour of the aussies.

Kaif failed but the kid has talent and a poistive attitude and 37 is not a pathetic average by any standards. Lets not jump to conclusions so soon, wait for a few years and then comment.

And well done Yuvi....he is under pressure whenever he plays Test cricket as a few naive ex cricketers and critics beeiliev he is not suitable for test matches. Yuvi has proved again that he has what it takes to perform in both forms of the game.

Well done guys....keep going. Aussies we are comming....

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I agree attitude is making a big difference to the team. But Track I strongly disagree with ur views on Kaif. How can u say 37 is not a pathetic average. Im not talking abt test avg, its FC avg, and that too on indian batting pitches and that too after playing 8 seasons. His highest score in 67 matches is 136, how would u expect him to score big in test matches? How many yrs going to be enough before we know he is not worth it? Is it fair to the other players who consistently perform in domestic matches but dont have the hype to support them and eventually they disappear w/o getting even a single chance, coz we end up giving those chances to players who comes with so much "talent" that we dont even want to wait for that talent to be first proved, and then eventually find out that talent is good for nothing.
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Ganguly is still more talented than many of the current Indian batsman, which has been proved recently, but he should not have been treated the way he is.

I don't like the idea of re-calling Wasim Jaffer and the not playing him, he should have been played instead of Gambhir in this test.

The Aussies are still a strong team, other teams have a way to go to reach their standards of playing well in different conditions. Yes, they can be beaten but to match them you have to consistently play well. England beat them in the Ashes but lost to Pakistan, England are a good team but putting them in Australia's bracket as many critics have done just because they won a series is going overboard.

I like SA's team not only in Tests but in ODI's as well, they're going to be a team to watch out for when the WC arrives.

The India-Pak series is coming up soon and that's going to be a cracker.



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