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, I Now Know Not Eleven, But Twlve Pairs!

 
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post Jun 27 2007, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(im4afi @ Jun 24 2007, 02:48 AM) *

Don't you think "Unhe Qissem-e-Ghum" has the same tune as "Agar Mil Gayi Moojh Ko Rahe Madina
Unhey qissa e ghum sunaney say pehlay 128 kbps .shair o shairi 2.20 mts film???????


agar mil gaee mujh ko rahey madeena...128 kbps...3.24 mts



Im4afi Ji,

Agreed that these two are almost identical in tune both in Mukhda and Antaras. But, if I am right, this particular type of tune is a common one used for Shayri, Mushiras, etc. But, yes, this pair qualifies.

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post Jun 27 2007, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 27 2007, 02:33 PM) *

QUOTE(INTEQAAM @ Jun 26 2007, 04:16 AM) *

hello venkat,iam attaching these two songs which in my opinion are very identical in both mukda and antaras.if you examine the line phir wohi dil laya hoon of the first song and then examine the line suno ji ye calcutta hai ,you will find both songs are identical.Even the music is identical.
Here O P Nayyar has repeated the tune of the song of phir wohi dil laya hoon from earlier film howrah bridge.both Rafi gems.
please let me know what you think. smile.gif

attached:banda parwar thaam lo jigar
by rafi
film phir wohi dil laya hoon[1963]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 3.36mins

attached:eent ki dukki paan ka eeka
by rafi
film howrah bridge[1958]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 4.04mins


Inteqam Bhai,

Sincere thanks for participating and uploading two beautiful OPN songs. Of course, as these are well-known ones, I knew both of them earlier. But, I have specially played and heard them again.

But, Inteqam Bhai, in my humble view, the tunes of these two songs are not almost identical, either in Mukhda or Antaras. Well, I do agree with you that they are very similar in the feel, mood and flavor.

Regards,

Venkat

P.S. Yes, I have just noticed that you have uploaded both the songs of the SDB's identical pair (the Kaise Kahoon-1964 one and the Dr.Vidya-1962 one), as early as June 13, 2007 itself in your Rafi thread. Good work, Inteqam Bhai.

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post Jun 27 2007, 07:06 PM
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Two songs with the same tune:

1. TYPE: Film: Deedar
Song: Hue hum jin ke liye barbaad
Time: 4.11 min
Bitrate: 160 kbps




2. TYPE: Naat LIVE VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 5.06 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps




Songs courtesy HF!!

Enjoy!

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post Jun 28 2007, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(Dr_Faustus @ Jun 27 2007, 07:06 PM) *

Two songs with the same tune:

1. TYPE: Film: Deedar
Song: Hue hum jin ke liye barbaad
Time: 4.11 min
Bitrate: 160 kbps




2. TYPE: Naat LIVE VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 5.06 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps




Songs courtesy HF!!

Enjoy!

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Spot on, Dr. Ji. Both are identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antara. But, do tell me, is there an earlier studio-recorded version of this Naat? Or is this Live Version the only one available?

If there is an earlier studio-recorded version, which came first--Deedar's or this Naat?

Many thanks.

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QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 28 2007, 09:21 AM) *


Spot on, Dr. Ji. Both are identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antara. But, do tell me, is there an earlier studio-recorded version of this Naat? Or is this Live Version the only one available?

If there is an earlier studio-recorded version, which came first--Deedar's or this Naat?

Many thanks.

Venkat




Hi Venkat,


I also have the studio version of this Naat.........i'll upload it as soon as possible............
I don't know which came first the Naat or the Deedar song.............can someone out there help us with this question??

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QUOTE(Dr_Faustus @ Jun 27 2007, 08:06 PM) *

Two songs with the same tune:

1. TYPE: Film: Deedar
Song: Hue hum jin ke liye barbaad
Time: 4.11 min
Bitrate: 160 kbps




2. TYPE: Naat LIVE VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 5.06 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps




Songs courtesy HF!!

Enjoy!

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post Jun 29 2007, 06:31 PM
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here some new one .,,,


1) CHAA GAYE BAADAL NEEL GAGAN PAR - GHUL GAYA KAJRA SHAAM DHALE .. ...filmi



1) PAAGAL CHANDA MERE MAN KI AAG MEIN SAARI RAAT JALE . non- filmi

==============================
2) AAPSE MAINE MERI JAAN MUHABBAT KI HAI , AAP CHAE TO MERI ,,


2) SOCHTA HUN KE MAINE TUMHEIN ..... shahshi kaporr film.

==============================

3) RAHEIN NA RAHEIN HUM , BANKE HAWA,,,,,


3) YAHI HAI TAMANNA TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE,,


==============================

..there maybe more ,,


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post Jun 29 2007, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Jun 29 2007, 06:31 PM) *

here some new one .,,,


1) CHAA GAYE BAADAL NEEL GAGAN PAR - GHUL GAYA KAJRA SHAAM DHALE .. ...filmi



1) PAAGAL CHANDA MERE MAN KI AAG MEIN SAARI RAAT JALE . non- filmi

==============================
2) AAPSE MAINE MERI JAAN MUHABBAT KI HAI , AAP CHAE TO MERI ,,


2) SOCHTA HUN KE MAINE TUMHEIN ..... shahshi kaporr film.

==============================

3) RAHEIN NA RAHEIN HUM , BANKE HAWA,,,,,


3) YAHI HAI TAMANNA TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE,,


==============================

..there maybe more ,,



Shanawaz Ji, thanks for the post. But, what we are looking for are not just distinct similarities in flavor or feel, nor even idenicality only in Mukhda. To qualify, both the songs should be almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and the Antaras. The six pairs we have now do meet these criteria.

Do tell us if you have a pair that strictly complies with these criteria. I know your 2 and 3 pairs do not qualify. But, in your first pair, I know the Film song well, but not the Non-filmi song. If you feel these two are almost identical in tune in Mukhda and also Antara, please u/l both the songs.

Thanks.

Venkat

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QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 29 2007, 09:23 PM) *

QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Jun 29 2007, 06:31 PM) *

here some new one .,,,


1) CHAA GAYE BAADAL NEEL GAGAN PAR - GHUL GAYA KAJRA SHAAM DHALE .. ...filmi



1) PAAGAL CHANDA MERE MAN KI AAG MEIN SAARI RAAT JALE . non- filmi

==============================
2) AAPSE MAINE MERI JAAN MUHABBAT KI HAI , AAP CHAE TO MERI ,,


2) SOCHTA HUN KE MAINE TUMHEIN ..... shahshi kaporr film.

==============================

3) RAHEIN NA RAHEIN HUM , BANKE HAWA,,,,,


3) YAHI HAI TAMANNA TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE,,


==============================

..there maybe more ,,



Shanawaz Ji, thanks for the post. But, what we are looking for are not just distinct similarities in flavor or feel, nor even idenicality only in Mukhda. To qualify, both the songs should be almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and the Antaras. The six pairs we have now do meet these criteria.

Do tell us if you have a pair that strictly complies with these criteria. I know your 2 and 3 pairs do not qualify. But, in your first pair, I know the Film song well, but not the Non-filmi song. If you feel these two are almost identical in tune in Mukhda and also Antara, please u/l both the songs.

Thanks.

Venkat

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Venkatji, Pagal Chanda.... in my opinion is Rafi saab's one of the best if ' not the best ' non filmi song.
Just a little surprised, being a huge Rafi fan, you have not heard it before, . Here it is. I have not
heard the other one.






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Shanawaz Ji, thanks for the post. But, what we are looking for are not just distinct similarities in flavor or feel, nor even idenicality only in Mukhda. To qualify, both the songs should be almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and the Antaras. The six pairs we have now do meet these criteria.

Do tell us if you have a pair that strictly complies with these criteria. I know your 2 and 3 pairs do not qualify. But, in your first pair, I know the Film song well, but not the Non-filmi song. If you feel these two are almost identical in tune in Mukhda and also Antara, please u/l both the songs.

Thanks.

Venkat

Venkat
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Venkatji, Pagal Chanda.... in my opinion is Rafi saab's one of the best if ' not the best ' non filmi song.
Just a little surprised, being a huge Rafi fan, you have not heard it before, . Here it is. I have not heard the other one.


[/quote]

SN Ji,

After hearing this non-filmi Pagal Chanda song and Chitralekha(1964)'s Rafi-Asha duet (Chha Gaye Badal Neel Gagan), I agree that there is very great similarity of tune both in Mukhda and Antaras, though not as much as in some of the earlier six almost identical pairs. But, I think we can place this pair in our list.

Ramesh Ji, thanks for the upload. And, sure enough, the dig had hit where it hurts! Just joking. But, seriously, I might have heard this non-filmi song earlier, but do not remember.

Venkat

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Friends,

Any more pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune, both in Mukhda and the Antaras?

Venkat

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QUOTE(desai2rn @ Jun 29 2007, 01:19 PM) *


Pagal Chanda.... in my opinion is Rafi saab's one of the best if ' not the best ' non filmi song.




Thanks Ramesh Ji.

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QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *

Friends,

Any more pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune, both in Mukhda and the Antaras?

Venkat


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QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 2 2007, 10:44 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *

Friends,

Any more pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune, both in Mukhda and the Antaras?

Venkat



Venkat Ji,

Here are 2 more 100% identical songs(very popular) :-

[1]
Madan Mohan Sahab & Rafi

Yahi Hai Tamanna
Tere Ghar Ke Samne
Meri Jaan Jaaye
Meri Jaan Jaaye, Haaaye .


R.D.Burman Sahab & Kishore

Sagar Kinaare
Dil Ye Pukaare
Tu Jo Nahin To Mera
Koii Nahin Hai Haaye.



[2]
The second case is a History in itself. (Earlier I have penned it in Lata-Forum).
S.D.Burman Sahab had assisted C.Ramchander Sahab. When Burman Dada started composing independently, he created one melodous tune & exited over it so much that he approached to CR Sahab & humbly asked about his suggestion on the tune. CR Sahab heartily appreciated it & only addition from his side was the starting of tune. After a decade, Roshan Ji approached Burman Dada & requested to grant him permission to use THAT tune & Burman Dada happily agreed. And The Immortal Songs based on THAT immortal tune are -

Thandi Hawaaayen,
Lehraa Ke Aaayen,
Rutt Hai Jawaan,
Tumko Yahaan,
Kaise Bulaayen.


Rahen-Na-Rahen Hum,
Mehka Karenge,
Ban Ke Kali,
Ban Ke Sabba,
Bagh-e-Vafaa Main.


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PS: The starting as suggested by CR Sahab was- 'Aaha Aa Aa, La La La La Laa,Hmmm mmm,Kaise Bulaayen'.

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R.D.Burman Sahab & Kishore-Lata


Sagar Kinaare
Dil Ye Pukaare
Tu Jo Nahin To Mera
Koii Nahin Hai Haaye.


"Sagar Kinare" ke pehle aaya tha:

Hamen raston ki jarurat nahin hai-Asha
Film: Naram Garam

None of the examples above, including mine's, qualify for " Pair of Rafi songs"


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