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Posted by: venkat Jun 19 2007, 07:04 PM

Friends,

It was only after I joined HF that I came to know this. There are at least twelve pairs of Rafi Saab's songs which are almost identical in tune.

PAIR-I:

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata


PAIR-II:

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi


Incidentally, within each of these Pairs, the MDs are the same!

Firends, please let me know if you know any other such almost identical pairs. Mind you, only almost identical pairs. Not similar pairs, of which there are plenty!

Venkat


P.S. Another seven or eight pairs have been discovered in the following posts!

Posted by: princeali Jun 19 2007, 08:55 PM

Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon

Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman.


Posted by: nasir Jun 19 2007, 09:15 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 19 2007, 07:04 PM) *

Friends,

It was only after I joined HF that I came to know this. There are at least two pairs of Rafi Saab's songs which are almost identical in tune.

PAIR-I:

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata


PAIR-II:

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi


Incidentally, within each of these Pairs, the MDs are the same!

Firends, please let me know if you know any other such almost identical pairs. Mind you, only almost identical pairs. Not similar pairs, of which there are plenty!

Venkat




smile.gif Incidentally, it was only yesterday that I heard the song from Banarsi Thug and I was telling everyone at home that this sounds identical to Ek Chameli Ke Mandve Taley - the second being the most popular. And here you are with the interesting info that such songs do exist!

Interesting, Venkatji.

NASIR.


Posted by: nadeem mohd Jun 19 2007, 09:20 PM

Can any one plz upload this song.. bow.gif

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata


Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 19 2007, 10:00 PM

QUOTE(nadeem mohd @ Jun 19 2007, 10:50 AM) *

Can any one plz upload this song.. bow.gif

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Here it is; courtesy of Mahesh.
[attachmentid=126556]

Hari Ram


Posted by: nadeem mohd Jun 19 2007, 10:59 PM

QUOTE(Hari Ram @ Jun 19 2007, 11:00 PM) *

QUOTE(nadeem mohd @ Jun 19 2007, 10:50 AM) *

Can any one plz upload this song.. bow.gif

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Here it is; courtesy of Mahesh.
[attachmentid=126556]

Hari Ram


Thanks a lot Hari Ram ji bow.gif bow.gif bow.gif bow.gif

Posted by: usrafian Jun 20 2007, 02:45 PM


Different MD, singer but similar Tune.


Film - Abroo
MD - Sonik Omi
Singer - Mukesh

Jinhen Hum Bhoolna Chaahen, Woh Aksar Yaad Aate Hain
Bura Ho Iss Muhabbat Ka, Woh Kyun Kar Yaad Aate Hain


Film - Do Badan
MD - Ravi
Singer - Rafi

Bhari Duniyaa Main Aakhir Dil Ko Samjhaane Kahaan Jaayen
Mohabbat Ho Gayee Jinh Ko Woh Diwaane Kahaan Jaayen


USR

Posted by: Anupama Jun 21 2007, 02:51 AM

I find similarities in these two songs mentioned below - the feel, the tune and even the lyrics are just about the same in both the songs.

Raja Saab - Kisi Meharbaan Ki Nazar Dhoondhte Hain

Boot Polish - Tumhaare Hain Tumse Daya Maangte Hain

Posted by: Anupama Jun 21 2007, 02:54 AM

What about these two :-

Film Hi Film - Kitna Rangeen Hai Yeh Chaand Sitaaron Ka Samaa

Nayi Umr Ki Nayi Fasal - Aaj Ki Raat Badi Shokh Badi Natkhat Hai

Posted by: pareshmotiwala Jun 21 2007, 08:37 AM

Tujhe Kya Sunaaoon mein dilruba
and
Yeh hawa yeh raat yeh chaandni.

Posted by: nasar Jun 21 2007, 04:21 PM

What about these two,

Yeh Mera Deewanapan Hai,
Mukesh film: Yahudi.

And,

Dekh Hamain Awaz Na Dena
Mohd Rafi & Lata film: Amardeep

Posted by: Dimple Jun 21 2007, 04:33 PM

Hum Tumse Juda Hoke
Mar Jayenge Ro Ro Ke

and

Sau Baar Janam Lenge, sau baar fanaa honge
ae jaane wafa phir bhi hum tum na juda honge

Posted by: venkat Jun 21 2007, 06:11 PM

QUOTE(princeali @ Jun 19 2007, 08:55 PM) *

Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon

Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman.


Friends,

Could someone please upload these two songs mentioned by Prince Ji, as I am not able to exactly place them? The idea is to hear them and see whether they are as 'identical' as the Iqbal Quereshi pair and N.Datta pair that I mentioned in my first post.

Coming to the other songs mentioned by USR Ji, Paresh Ji and Nasar Ji, my humble view is that they are similar in some parts such as mainly the Mukhda, but are not almost identical (both in Mukhda and Antara) like the two pairs that I mentioned.

Regarding Anupama Ji's Kitna Rangeen song and Aaj Ki Raat Badi song, no doubt, they have a great amount of similarity, but still fall short in the extent of identicalness. While I know her Boot Polish song well enough, I need to hear her Raja Saab song once again to understand the extent of similarity.

Why I am probing this subject so hard is that I wish to compile a list of such almost identical pairs (not just similar pairs).

Venkat

PS. On a rethink, Paresh Motiwala Ji's Yeh Hawa Yeh Raat (Talat) and Tujhe Kya Sunao (Rafi) have a very great degree of identicality both in Mukhda and Antaras.

Posted by: lakshmi Jun 21 2007, 06:32 PM


I have one song.

movie kaise kahoon(1964)
mds.d.burman
rafi asha
song kisi ki mohabbat mein - 3:28/125

Posted by: venkat Jun 21 2007, 06:45 PM

QUOTE(lakshmi @ Jun 21 2007, 06:32 PM) *

I have one song.

movie kaise kahoon(1964)
mds.d.burman
rafi asha
song kisi ki mohabbat mein - 3:28/125


Thanks, Lakshmi. Well, I do know this song very well. Now, anyone for kindly uploading the other Dr. Vidya song mentioned by Prince Ji?

Venkat

Posted by: SAJDAH Jun 21 2007, 08:37 PM

Listen to the opening stanza of these three compositions - i bet you'll notice the similarity.

Tumhen Husn Deke Khuda Ne

Pal Do Pal Ka Saath Hamara

And the third is a nonfilm Gujarati song ( I'll be u/ling it on Auld Lang Syne in a short while.)

Kahoon Chu Jawani Ne Pachi Vari Ja

Here's the link:

https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=27228&view=findpost&p=383560

Sajdah

Posted by: YaarMere Jun 21 2007, 08:43 PM

Dil Bekaraar Sa Hai
Na Jaane Kyun
Yeh Teri Sadagi


They sound the same to me.... no?

Posted by: yob Jun 21 2007, 08:45 PM

QUOTE(YaarMere @ Jun 21 2007, 08:43 PM) *

Dil Bekaraar Sa Hai
Na Jaane Kyun
Yeh Teri Sadagi


They sound the same to me.... no?



laugh.gif

Posted by: nadeem mohd Jun 21 2007, 09:06 PM

QUOTE(SAJDAH @ Jun 21 2007, 09:37 PM) *

Listen to the opening stanza of these three compositions - i bet you'll notice the similarity.

Tumhen Husn Deke Khuda Ne

Pal Do Pal Ka Saath Hamara

And the third is a nonfilm Gujarati song ( I'll be u/ling it on Auld Lang Syne in a short while.)

Kahoon Chu Jawani Ne Pachi Vari Ja

Here's the link:

https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=27228&view=findpost&p=383560

Sajdah



yah yah.. same tune there smile.gif

Posted by: venkat Jun 21 2007, 09:18 PM

Sajdah Ji,

As I mentioned in my very first post, pairs which are similar in parts, either in Mukhda or in Antara, are plenty. I am sure that you are with me when I said the two pairs (one of Iqbal Quereshi and the other of N.Datta) that I mentioned in my first post are almost identical both in Mukhada and Antaras.

I am simply seeking more of such almost identical pairs, not just similar ones in parts.

Well, Prince Ji's Dawa about the Kaise Kahoon duet and the Dr.Vidya duet needs to be examined, after we get the Dr.Vidya song also.

Venkat

Posted by: maheshks Jun 21 2007, 09:39 PM

Venkatji...

Two tunes were used thrice biggrin.gif

All Rafi.

1. Tu hindu banega na musalmaan banega...dhool ka phool
2. kya kya na sitam tujh pe huye....mohini and
3. gham ho ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana...nai maa (1960)

All Lata.

1. Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare
2. Hum tumhaare liye tum hamaare liye....inteqaam....MD Laxmi Pyare
3. Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare


Posted by: venkat Jun 21 2007, 09:42 PM

QUOTE(maheshks @ Jun 21 2007, 09:39 PM) *

Venkatji...

Two tunes were used thrice biggrin.gif

All Rafi.

1. Tu hindu banega na musalmaan banega...dhool ka phool
2. kya kya na sitam tujh pe huye....mohini and
3. gham ho ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana...nai maa (1960)

All Lata.

1. Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare
2. Hum tumhaare liye tum hamaare liye....inteqaam....MD Laxmi Pyare
3. Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare


Very interesting, Mahesh Ji. I cannot place the third Rafi song(Nai Maa) you mentioned. Would you mind u/ling it, Mahesh Ji?

Venkat

Posted by: maheshks Jun 21 2007, 10:00 PM

Here is the song from 78 rpm record

Gham hon ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana
jhuk jaayega ik din tere kadmon pe Zamana.


SINGER : MOHD RAFI
MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)
MUSIC : RAVI


[attachmentid=126864]

This song was also sung by Suman Kalyanpuri.

Posted by: venkat Jun 21 2007, 10:15 PM

Agreed, Mahesh Ji, though there is some variance at "Aansoo Na Bahana" part. I think if "Tu Hind Bane" is 100, Kya Kya Sitam is 95 and this "Gham Ho Ke Sitam" is 87, in terms of identicality.

Thanks very much, Mahesh Ji.

Venkat

Posted by: nasar Jun 21 2007, 10:59 PM

Venkat Saab here is the song you wanted

[attachmentid=126871]

Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 22 2007, 02:58 AM

Venkat bhai,

A few days ago, we had a brief discussion on the following songs in another thread:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26947&view=findpost&p=379447

Bambai ka Chor (1962): hai bahaar-e-bagh-e-duniyaa chand roz, chand roz - Rafi
Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha

The more I hear these songs, they sound almost identical tunes. What do you think?

Hari Ram

Posted by: venkat Jun 22 2007, 05:57 AM

QUOTE(princeali @ Jun 19 2007, 08:55 PM) *

Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon

Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman.


Prince Ji,

The examination is over! The result: both the S.D.Burman songs cited by you are identical in tune, both in Mukhda and Antaras. I do not have to add even the 'almost' to the 'identical'!

Hats off to you, Prince Ji, for giving me and other friends a genuine third pair of this nature! I really appreciate your musical sense.

Regards,

Venkat

P.S. Incidentally, the Kaise Kahoon(1964) song was uploaded above by Lakshmi and the other Dr.Vidya(1962) song was uploaded by Nasar Ji. Must downloads for all, because they are nice songs and more importantly, because of their identicality in tune!

Posted by: venkat Jun 22 2007, 08:09 AM

QUOTE(Hari Ram @ Jun 22 2007, 02:58 AM) *

Venkat bhai,

A few days ago, we had a brief discussion on the following songs in another thread:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=26947&view=findpost&p=379447

Bambai ka Chor (1962): hai bahaar-e-bagh-e-duniyaa chand roz, chand roz - Rafi
Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha

The more I hear these songs, they sound almost identical tunes. What do you think?

Hari Ram


Hari Bhai,

I feel you are certainly right as far as the Mukhdas are concerned. But, I do not remember the Antara of the Asha song (Zindagi Ki Rang Kayi Re) to give my comment on the Antaras. But, if you found the Antaras too as very similar, then there is a case to include them in the list. But then, they are by different singers!

Venkat

Posted by: princeali Jun 22 2007, 09:51 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 21 2007, 08:27 PM) *

Prince Ji,

The examination is over! The result: both the S.D.Burman songs cited by you are identical in tune, both in Mukhda and Antaras. I do not have to add even the 'almost' to the 'identical'!

Hats off to you, Prince Ji, for giving me and other friends a genuine third pair of this nature! I really appreciate your musical sense.

Regards,

Venkat

P.S. Incidentally, the Kaise Kahoon(1964) song was uploaded above by Lakshmi and the other Dr.Vidya(1962) song was uploaded by Nasar Ji. Must downloads for all, because they are nice songs and more importantly, because of their identicality in tune!




Thanks Venkat ji smile.gif

Thank You as well for pointing out the other two pairs, it is a great find, and shows you have a fantastic ear for music !.

Would you happen to know why SDB composed the same exact tune for both song situations ?.

It is not as if he had a dearth of tunes, and I doubt he would have forgotten that he composed the same tune earlier.

What could be the reason for this ?.

Posted by: sri Jun 22 2007, 09:53 AM

QUOTE(princeali @ Jun 19 2007, 08:55 PM) *
Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon

Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman.


Good find - PA - they are indeed identical !! And thanks to Venkat for starting off this interesting search.

1964 was the period when SDBurman was laid up...he stopped taking up new films and and had difficulty in completing his films on hand. It is possible that faced with this situation, this idea may have occurred to someone - to use an old (and not so well known) tune fitted with new words - with the approval ( or not !! ) of the producer/director.

smile.gif
Sri

Posted by: sri Jun 22 2007, 10:40 AM

Though not exactly complying with the title of this thread - I felt that this pair of twins are worthy of mention - for general interest

These two tunes from the film Gazal (1964) by Madan Mohan - are essentially from the same basic idea - and their lyrics are similar too (in fact, their last antaras have identical lyrics) but Madan Mohan has brought in so many variations into them ( and the Rafi one is a little faster also) that they are certainly not 'identical' and are actually two different songs. Perhaps they were two very closely related 'versions' of the tune for a song - and he may have liked both so much that he decided to use both rather than making a choice between them. The songs are :

Naghma_o_sher ki saugaat kise pesh karoon, Lata, Gazal 1964, Madan Mohan_Sahir

Ishq ki garmiye jazbaat kise pesh karoon, Rafi, Gazal 1964, Madan Mohan_Sahir

smile.gif
Sri

P.S. Sahir must have been in love with the 'kise pesh karoon' phrase - it was used in as many as 3 songs in the same film !! The third one (other than the two mentioned above, being 'Rang aur noor ki baaraat kise pesh karoon' )

Posted by: HumTum Jun 22 2007, 11:27 AM

Thanks Sribhai. Awesum info. thumbs-up.gif

Posted by: venkat Jun 22 2007, 12:13 PM

Sincere thanks, Sri, for sharing those strong 'Ghazal' resemblances.

PA Ji and Sri,

Continuing on this identical pair brought out by PA, when I d/led from here and listened to the Kaise Kahoon song(Rafi & Asha) first, I found that I knew it quite well. But, subsequently, when I d/led and listened to the Dr.Vidya song (Rafi & Lata), I could not recall having heard it at all earlier. So, it is possible that the earlier Dr. Vidya (1962) song somehow did not become very popular or become 'a hit'. So, it could be that SDB had thought that this tune, very nice one that it is, deserves one more attempt at popularisation! And he repeated it in 1964 (two years later) in Kaise Kahoon!

One more thing. See the similarity of this S.D.Burman pair with the other Iqbal Quereshi pair! In both pairs, the earlier song belongs to 1962 and the later one belongs to 1964. And in both pairs, the earlier song is by Rafi-Lata and the later one by Rafi-Asha. What is more, in both pairs the later song is more popular than the earlier song!

Come to think of it, even in the N.Datta pair, the later song (Tu Hind Bane Ya) is more popular than the earlier song(Kya Kya Na Sitam).


Venkat

Posted by: princeali Jun 22 2007, 08:16 PM

QUOTE(sri @ Jun 22 2007, 12:23 AM) *

1964 was the period when SDBurman was laid up...he stopped taking up new films and and had difficulty in completing his films on hand.

smile.gif
Sri


Sri ji & Venkat ji,

Can you please confirm this. I believe SDB had a heart attack around 1963 and lost three or four films including "Gumnaam" and "Love In Tokyo" which eventually went to SJ (and what great music they produced), as well as "Baharein Phir Bhi Aayenge" (great music by OPN). Dev stayed with him for Guide and the result was arguably his best album ever.

Posted by: nadeem mohd Jun 22 2007, 09:33 PM


Can any one please upload these songs. unsure.gif

Raja Saab - Kisi Meharbaan Ki Nazar Dhoondhte Hain

Boot Polish - Tumhaare Hain Tumse Daya Maangte Hain

Film Hi Film - Kitna Rangeen Hai Yeh Chaand Sitaaron Ka Samaa

Yeh hawa yeh raat yeh chaandni.

Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare

Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare

Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha

Posted by: maheshks Jun 22 2007, 10:04 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 22 2007, 12:13 PM) *

Sincere thanks, Sri, for sharing those strong 'Ghazal' resemblances.

PA Ji and Sri,

Continuing on this identical pair brought out by PA, when I d/led from here and listened to the Kaise Kahoon song(Rafi & Asha) first, I found that I knew it quite well. But, subsequently, when I d/led and listened to the Dr.Vidya song (Rafi & Lata), I could not recall having heard it at all earlier. So, it is possible that the earlier Dr. Vidya (1962) song somehow did not become very popular or become 'a hit'. So, it could be that SDB had thought that this tune, very nice one that it is, deserves one more attempt at popularisation! And he repeated it in 1964 (two years later) in Kaise Kahoon!

One more thing. See the similarity of this S.D.Burman pair with the other Iqbal Quereshi pair! In both pairs, the earlier song belongs to 1962 and the later one belongs to 1964. And in both pairs, the earlier song is by Rafi-Lata and the later one by Rafi-Asha. What is more, in both pairs the later song is more popular than the earlier song!

Come to think of it, even in the N.Datta pair, the later song (Tu Hind Bane Ya) is more popular than the earlier song(Kya Kya Na Sitam).


Venkat


Venkatji there are many such incidents where the MDs have used their earlier tunes and
the later ones were much more popular than the earlier songs.

For example Roshan used the tune of the song...mera dil kahaan hai..asha..chandni chowk
again in rahein na rahein hum...mamta...lata.

madan mohan used....aankhon aankhon main ho gaye mast ishaare...khajanchi..asha
again in....nainon waali ne hai mera dil luta...lata...mera saya.

SDB used same tunes with slight variations in many songs

1. saari khushiaan saath aayin aap jab aaye...shamshad in jeevan jyoti (53)
reused in tum re sang to rain bitaayi...sagina...kishor and lata

2. tasveerein banati hain....asha in jeevan jyoti
re-used in dil pukare aa re aa re...jewel thief

Sri Bhai

paish karoon.....

remember the mushaaira in the movie gazal..... laugh.gif

khatte angoor ke baagaat kise paish karoon
apni mummy se jaake poochh apna haath kisey paish karoon laugh.gif

Posted by: Hari Ram Jun 22 2007, 10:24 PM

QUOTE(nadeem mohd @ Jun 22 2007, 11:03 AM) *


Can any one please upload these songs. unsure.gif

Raja Saab - Kisi Meharbaan Ki Nazar Dhoondhte Hain

Boot Polish - Tumhaare Hain Tumse Daya Maangte Hain

Film Hi Film - Kitna Rangeen Hai Yeh Chaand Sitaaron Ka Samaa

Yeh hawa yeh raat yeh chaandni.

Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare

Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare

Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha



I am uploading some of your requests here:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=39061&view=findpost&p=383965

Rokhna hai agar ... song from Jaal is still available, courtesy of Mirsa:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=36237&view=findpost&p=362168

Boot Polish song is also available, thanks to Mirsa:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=36683&view=findpost&p=366731

Hari Ram

Posted by: INTEQAAM Jun 22 2007, 10:31 PM

QUOTE(HumTum @ Jun 22 2007, 11:27 AM) *

Thanks Sribhai. Awesum info. thumbs-up.gif


please note i have also mentioned these two songs as being identical:
kisi ki muhabat from kaise kahoon and mai kal phir miloongi from dr vidya in my own thread--the king is dead long live the king.i uploaded these two songs together ,i also find these two songs identical and was amazed so i uploaded them for you all to share a few weeks ago. smile.gif

Posted by: Anupama Jun 23 2007, 01:30 AM

QUOTE(maheshks @ Jun 21 2007, 12:30 PM) *

Here is the song from 78 rpm record

Gham hon ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana
jhuk jaayega ik din tere kadmon pe Zamana.


SINGER : MOHD RAFI
MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)
MUSIC : RAVI


[attachmentid=126864]

This song was also sung by Suman Kalyanpuri.



Many thanks Maheshji for this song.

Pyaar Ka Bandhan ke songs kidhar hain Maheshji?? phir se bhool gaye aap?


Posted by: Anupama Jun 23 2007, 01:36 AM

Nadeemji here you go :-



Film - Raja Saab 1969
MD - Kalyanji Anandji
Lyricist - Anand Bakshi

Kisi Meharbaan Ki Nazar Dhoondhte Hain - Film Version ( DVD Ripped)

4.17/128kbps

[attachmentid=127039]






Posted by: Anupama Jun 23 2007, 01:41 AM

Album - Film Hi Film(unreleased) 1983
MD - N.Dutta
Lyricist - Indeevar
Singers - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle
160kbps/MP3


Kitna Rangeen Hai
3.54


[attachmentid=127043]



Posted by: Anupama Jun 23 2007, 01:43 AM

QUOTE(princeali @ Jun 19 2007, 11:25 AM) *

Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon

Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman.



Great spot PAji!! thumbs-up.gif

Posted by: im4afi Jun 23 2007, 03:17 AM

One more find
Parwadigarey aalam tera he hai sahara....Haatim tai
and almost idenical tune in mukhda and antras and antraz have same theme also
Choota watan hamara ,hafiz khuda tumhara... details?


Parverdigarey aalam...4.10 mts 128 kbps film version
[attachmentid=127059]


Choota watan hamara haafiz kuda tumhara 3.08 mts




Posted by: im4afi Jun 23 2007, 03:47 AM

There is one mpre muslim devotional which has the same tune as "Terey Bharosey Hey Nandalaala"

I cannot recllect

Posted by: venkat Jun 23 2007, 07:22 AM

So, that's good! This thread has a lot more work to do! I would love to pursue, at leisure, the leads given by Mahesh Ji, im4afi Ji, Anupama ji, Mohanflora Ji (in the next post!) and others.

Thanks to all you, musically-minded people.

Venkat

Posted by: mohanflora Jun 23 2007, 07:55 AM

Hi guys!
How could you all miss out on this classic pair! Sung about 6-7 years apart Rafisaab sounds the same, if not better. RDB is the common factor, so is the music, so are the lyrics, both songs hits! Anything more identical?

1. Koi aur duniya mein tumsa haseen-Pyar Ki Kahani-Rafi-RDB

2. Maina poocha chand se-Abdullah-Rafi-RDB

Posted by: Binod Jun 23 2007, 10:27 AM


QUOTE(nasar @ Jun 21 2007, 01:29 PM) *

Venkat Saab here is the song you wanted

[attachmentid=126871]


Thanks Nasar.

Binod.

Posted by: Binod Jun 23 2007, 10:28 AM

QUOTE(maheshks @ Jun 21 2007, 12:30 PM) *

Here is the song from 78 rpm record

Gham hon ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana
jhuk jaayega ik din tere kadmon pe Zamana.


SINGER : MOHD RAFI
MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)
MUSIC : RAVI


[attachmentid=126864]

This song was also sung by Suman Kalyanpuri.


Thanks Mahesh Bhai.

Binod.

Posted by: venkat Jun 23 2007, 01:26 PM

QUOTE(im4afi @ Jun 23 2007, 03:17 AM) *

One more find
Parwadigarey aalam tera he hai sahara....Haatim tai
and almost idenical tune in mukhda and antras and antraz have same theme also
Choota watan hamara ,hafiz khuda tumhara... details?


Parverdigarey aalam...4.10 mts 128 kbps film version
[attachmentid=127059]


Choota watan hamara haafiz kuda tumhara 3.08 mts


Im4afi Ji,

I knew the Parwardigar-e-Alam song from Hatim Tai(1956) earlier. Now, I have d/led and listened to your "Choota Watan Hamahara" song from Khuda Ka Banda(1957). I am happy to find that both are almost identical both in Mukhda and Antaras, except that there is just a 5% variation in the Antaras. But, in my view , this pair qualifies to be in our list of almost identical pairs! So, we have the fourth one in our list!

Incidentally, here too, both the songs in the pair were composed by S.N.Tripathi.

Thanks very much.

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Jun 23 2007, 01:31 PM

QUOTE(mohanflora @ Jun 23 2007, 07:55 AM) *

Hi guys!
How could you all miss out on this classic pair! Sung about 6-7 years apart Rafisaab sounds the same, if not better. RDB is the common factor, so is the music, so are the lyrics, both songs hits! Anything more identical?

1. Koi aur duniya mein tumsa haseen-Pyar Ki Kahani-Rafi-RDB

2. Maina poocha chand se-Abdullah-Rafi-RDB


Mohan Ji,

Thank you, very much. Before I d/l these, could you confirm from your side whether these are almost identical both in Mukhda and Antaras. From memory, I can gauge that the Mukhdas are certainly almost identical, but I have no clue nor memory of their Antaras.

Venkat

Posted by: nadeem mohd Jun 23 2007, 09:01 PM

Thanks a lot hari ram , anupama and im4rafi ji bow.gifbow.gif

Posted by: nasar Jun 23 2007, 09:19 PM

Here is a pair that came to mind,

Ajeeb dastaan hai yeh, film: Dil Apna Preet Purai.

Ajeed Zindagi hai yeh, film: Door Nahin Manzil.

Both have music by SJ.

Posted by: behenji.turned.mod Jun 23 2007, 09:51 PM

QUOTE(maheshks @ Jun 22 2007, 10:04 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 22 2007, 12:13 PM) *

Sincere thanks, Sri, for sharing those strong 'Ghazal' resemblances.

PA Ji and Sri,

Continuing on this identical pair brought out by PA, when I d/led from here and listened to the Kaise Kahoon song(Rafi & Asha) first, I found that I knew it quite well. But, subsequently, when I d/led and listened to the Dr.Vidya song (Rafi & Lata), I could not recall having heard it at all earlier. So, it is possible that the earlier Dr. Vidya (1962) song somehow did not become very popular or become 'a hit'. So, it could be that SDB had thought that this tune, very nice one that it is, deserves one more attempt at popularisation! And he repeated it in 1964 (two years later) in Kaise Kahoon!

One more thing. See the similarity of this S.D.Burman pair with the other Iqbal Quereshi pair! In both pairs, the earlier song belongs to 1962 and the later one belongs to 1964. And in both pairs, the earlier song is by Rafi-Lata and the later one by Rafi-Asha. What is more, in both pairs the later song is more popular than the earlier song!

Come to think of it, even in the N.Datta pair, the later song (Tu Hind Bane Ya) is more popular than the earlier song(Kya Kya Na Sitam).


Venkat


Venkatji there are many such incidents where the MDs have used their earlier tunes and
the later ones were much more popular than the earlier songs.

For example Roshan used the tune of the song...mera dil kahaan hai..asha..chandni chowk
again in rahein na rahein hum...mamta...lata.

madan mohan used....aankhon aankhon main ho gaye mast ishaare...khajanchi..asha
again in....nainon waali ne hai mera dil luta...lata...mera saya.

SDB used same tunes with slight variations in many songs

1. saari khushiaan saath aayin aap jab aaye...shamshad in jeevan jyoti (53)
reused in tum re sang to rain bitaayi...sagina...kishor and lata

2. tasveerein banati hain....asha in jeevan jyoti
re-used in dil pukare aa re aa re...jewel thief

Sri Bhai

paish karoon.....

remember the mushaaira in the movie gazal..... laugh.gif

khatte angoor ke baagaat kise paish karoon
apni mummy se jaake poochh apna haath kisey paish karoon laugh.gif



upload these songs.............mahesh..........pleeeease

Posted by: im4afi Jun 24 2007, 02:48 AM

Don't you think "Unhe Qissem-e-Ghum" has the same tune as "Agar Mil Gayi Moojh Ko Rahe Madina
Unhey qissa e ghum sunaney say pehlay 128 kbps .shair o shairi 2.20 mts film???????
[attachmentid=127217]

agar mil gaee mujh ko rahey madeena...128 kbps...3.24 mts
[attachmentid=127218]

Posted by: im4afi Jun 24 2007, 02:50 AM

Two songs, same tune, one a solo, the other a duet from 'TANGEWALI" (1955), music by Salil Chowdhury:
Cannot recollect now please find

Posted by: venkat Jun 24 2007, 01:23 PM

QUOTE(im4afi @ Jun 24 2007, 02:50 AM) *

Two songs, same tune, one a solo, the other a duet from 'TANGEWALI" (1955), music by Salil Chowdhury:
Cannot recollect now please find


Im4afi Ji,

We are looking for two songs from two different films with almost identical tunes, both in Mukhda and Antaras. Also, preferably, there should be Rafi Saab in both!

As far as pairs of two songs from the same film with almost identical tunes are conerned, there are plenty. Examples: Ehsan Mera Hoga--by Rafi and Lata separately in Junglee ; Main Kamsin Hun Nadaan Hoon--by Rafi and Lata separately in Aayi Milan Ki Bela, etc.

Venkat

Posted by: INTEQAAM Jun 26 2007, 04:16 AM

hello venkat,iam attaching these two songs which in my opinion are very identical in both mukda and antaras.if you examine the line phir wohi dil laya hoon of the first song and then examine the line suno ji ye calcutta hai ,you will find both songs are identical.Even the music is identical.
Here O P Nayyar has repeated the tune of the song of phir wohi dil laya hoon from earlier film howrah bridge.both Rafi gems.
please let me know what you think. smile.gif

attached:banda parwar thaam lo jigar[attachmentid=127598]
by rafi
film phir wohi dil laya hoon[1963]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 3.36mins

attached:eent ki dukki paan ka eeka[attachmentid=127599]
by rafi
film howrah bridge[1958]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 4.04mins




Posted by: venkat Jun 26 2007, 07:27 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 24 2007, 01:23 PM) *

QUOTE(im4afi @ Jun 24 2007, 02:50 AM) *

Two songs, same tune, one a solo, the other a duet from 'TANGEWALI" (1955), music by Salil Chowdhury:
Cannot recollect now please find


Im4afi Ji,

We are looking for two songs from two different films with almost identical tunes, both in Mukhda and Antaras. Also, preferably, there should be Rafi Saab in both!

As far as pairs of two songs from the same film with almost identical tunes are conerned, there are plenty. Examples: Ehsan Mera Hoga--by Rafi and Lata separately in Junglee ; Main Kamsin Hun Nadaan Hoon--by Rafi and Lata separately in Aayi Milan Ki Bela, etc.

Venkat


Any more ideas please?

Venkat

Posted by: INTEQAAM Jun 27 2007, 01:26 PM

QUOTE(INTEQAAM @ Jun 26 2007, 04:16 AM) *

hello venkat,iam attaching these two songs which in my opinion are very identical in both mukda and antaras.if you examine the line phir wohi dil laya hoon of the first song and then examine the line suno ji ye calcutta hai ,you will find both songs are identical.Even the music is identical.
Here O P Nayyar has repeated the tune of the song of phir wohi dil laya hoon from earlier film howrah bridge.both Rafi gems.
please let me know what you think. smile.gif

attached:banda parwar thaam lo jigar[attachmentid=127598]
by rafi
film phir wohi dil laya hoon[1963]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 3.36mins

attached:eent ki dukki paan ka eeka[attachmentid=127599]
by rafi
film howrah bridge[1958]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 4.04mins

HOW ABOUT THESE TWO GUYS?

Posted by: venkat Jun 27 2007, 02:33 PM

QUOTE(INTEQAAM @ Jun 26 2007, 04:16 AM) *

hello venkat,iam attaching these two songs which in my opinion are very identical in both mukda and antaras.if you examine the line phir wohi dil laya hoon of the first song and then examine the line suno ji ye calcutta hai ,you will find both songs are identical.Even the music is identical.
Here O P Nayyar has repeated the tune of the song of phir wohi dil laya hoon from earlier film howrah bridge.both Rafi gems.
please let me know what you think. smile.gif

attached:banda parwar thaam lo jigar[attachmentid=127598]
by rafi
film phir wohi dil laya hoon[1963]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 3.36mins

attached:eent ki dukki paan ka eeka[attachmentid=127599]
by rafi
film howrah bridge[1958]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 4.04mins


Inteqam Bhai,

Sincere thanks for participating and uploading two beautiful OPN songs. Of course, as these are well-known ones, I knew both of them earlier. But, I have specially played and heard them again.

But, Inteqam Bhai, in my humble view, the tunes of these two songs are not almost identical, either in Mukhda or Antaras. Well, I do agree with you that they are very similar in the feel, mood and flavor.

Regards,

Venkat

P.S. Yes, I have just noticed that you have uploaded both the songs of the SDB's identical pair (the Kaise Kahoon-1964 one and the Dr.Vidya-1962 one), as early as June 13, 2007 itself in your Rafi thread. Good work, Inteqam Bhai.

Posted by: venkat Jun 27 2007, 02:37 PM

QUOTE(im4afi @ Jun 24 2007, 02:48 AM) *

Don't you think "Unhe Qissem-e-Ghum" has the same tune as "Agar Mil Gayi Moojh Ko Rahe Madina
Unhey qissa e ghum sunaney say pehlay 128 kbps .shair o shairi 2.20 mts film???????
[attachmentid=127217]

agar mil gaee mujh ko rahey madeena...128 kbps...3.24 mts
[attachmentid=127218]


Im4afi Ji,

Agreed that these two are almost identical in tune both in Mukhda and Antaras. But, if I am right, this particular type of tune is a common one used for Shayri, Mushiras, etc. But, yes, this pair qualifies.

Venkat


Posted by: INTEQAAM Jun 27 2007, 04:36 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 27 2007, 02:33 PM) *

QUOTE(INTEQAAM @ Jun 26 2007, 04:16 AM) *

hello venkat,iam attaching these two songs which in my opinion are very identical in both mukda and antaras.if you examine the line phir wohi dil laya hoon of the first song and then examine the line suno ji ye calcutta hai ,you will find both songs are identical.Even the music is identical.
Here O P Nayyar has repeated the tune of the song of phir wohi dil laya hoon from earlier film howrah bridge.both Rafi gems.
please let me know what you think. smile.gif

attached:banda parwar thaam lo jigar[attachmentid=127598]
by rafi
film phir wohi dil laya hoon[1963]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 3.36mins

attached:eent ki dukki paan ka eeka[attachmentid=127599]
by rafi
film howrah bridge[1958]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 4.04mins


Inteqam Bhai,

Sincere thanks for participating and uploading two beautiful OPN songs. Of course, as these are well-known ones, I knew both of them earlier. But, I have specially played and heard them again.

But, Inteqam Bhai, in my humble view, the tunes of these two songs are not almost identical, either in Mukhda or Antaras. Well, I do agree with you that they are very similar in the feel, mood and flavor.

Regards,

Venkat

P.S. Yes, I have just noticed that you have uploaded both the songs of the SDB's identical pair (the Kaise Kahoon-1964 one and the Dr.Vidya-1962 one), as early as June 13, 2007 itself in your Rafi thread. Good work, Inteqam Bhai.

u r welcome venkat ji smile.gif

Posted by: Dr_Faustus Jun 27 2007, 07:06 PM

Two songs with the same tune:

1. TYPE: Film: Deedar
Song: Hue hum jin ke liye barbaad
Time: 4.11 min
Bitrate: 160 kbps

[attachmentid=127934]


2. TYPE: Naat LIVE VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 5.06 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps

[attachmentid=127936]


Songs courtesy HF!!

Enjoy!

Faust

Posted by: venkat Jun 28 2007, 09:21 AM

QUOTE(Dr_Faustus @ Jun 27 2007, 07:06 PM) *

Two songs with the same tune:

1. TYPE: Film: Deedar
Song: Hue hum jin ke liye barbaad
Time: 4.11 min
Bitrate: 160 kbps

[attachmentid=127934]


2. TYPE: Naat LIVE VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 5.06 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps

[attachmentid=127936]


Songs courtesy HF!!

Enjoy!

Faust


Spot on, Dr. Ji. Both are identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antara. But, do tell me, is there an earlier studio-recorded version of this Naat? Or is this Live Version the only one available?

If there is an earlier studio-recorded version, which came first--Deedar's or this Naat?

Many thanks.

Venkat

Posted by: Dr_Faustus Jun 28 2007, 05:57 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 28 2007, 09:21 AM) *


Spot on, Dr. Ji. Both are identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antara. But, do tell me, is there an earlier studio-recorded version of this Naat? Or is this Live Version the only one available?

If there is an earlier studio-recorded version, which came first--Deedar's or this Naat?

Many thanks.

Venkat




Hi Venkat,


I also have the studio version of this Naat.........i'll upload it as soon as possible............
I don't know which came first the Naat or the Deedar song.............can someone out there help us with this question??

Faust........

Posted by: nadeem mohd Jun 28 2007, 06:17 PM

QUOTE(Dr_Faustus @ Jun 27 2007, 08:06 PM) *

Two songs with the same tune:

1. TYPE: Film: Deedar
Song: Hue hum jin ke liye barbaad
Time: 4.11 min
Bitrate: 160 kbps

[attachmentid=127934]


2. TYPE: Naat LIVE VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 5.06 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps

[attachmentid=127936]


Songs courtesy HF!!

Enjoy!

Faust


Thanks a lot for this pair of songs dr ji smile.gif

Posted by: /ShaaNAwaaz\ Jun 29 2007, 06:31 PM


here some new one .,,,


1) CHAA GAYE BAADAL NEEL GAGAN PAR - GHUL GAYA KAJRA SHAAM DHALE .. ...filmi



1) PAAGAL CHANDA MERE MAN KI AAG MEIN SAARI RAAT JALE . non- filmi

==============================
2) AAPSE MAINE MERI JAAN MUHABBAT KI HAI , AAP CHAE TO MERI ,,


2) SOCHTA HUN KE MAINE TUMHEIN ..... shahshi kaporr film.

==============================

3) RAHEIN NA RAHEIN HUM , BANKE HAWA,,,,,


3) YAHI HAI TAMANNA TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE,,


==============================

..there maybe more ,,


Posted by: venkat Jun 29 2007, 09:23 PM

QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Jun 29 2007, 06:31 PM) *

here some new one .,,,


1) CHAA GAYE BAADAL NEEL GAGAN PAR - GHUL GAYA KAJRA SHAAM DHALE .. ...filmi



1) PAAGAL CHANDA MERE MAN KI AAG MEIN SAARI RAAT JALE . non- filmi

==============================
2) AAPSE MAINE MERI JAAN MUHABBAT KI HAI , AAP CHAE TO MERI ,,


2) SOCHTA HUN KE MAINE TUMHEIN ..... shahshi kaporr film.

==============================

3) RAHEIN NA RAHEIN HUM , BANKE HAWA,,,,,


3) YAHI HAI TAMANNA TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE,,


==============================

..there maybe more ,,



Shanawaz Ji, thanks for the post. But, what we are looking for are not just distinct similarities in flavor or feel, nor even idenicality only in Mukhda. To qualify, both the songs should be almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and the Antaras. The six pairs we have now do meet these criteria.

Do tell us if you have a pair that strictly complies with these criteria. I know your 2 and 3 pairs do not qualify. But, in your first pair, I know the Film song well, but not the Non-filmi song. If you feel these two are almost identical in tune in Mukhda and also Antara, please u/l both the songs.

Thanks.

Venkat

Venkat

Posted by: desai2rn Jun 29 2007, 10:49 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 29 2007, 09:23 PM) *

QUOTE(/ShaaNAwaaz\ @ Jun 29 2007, 06:31 PM) *

here some new one .,,,


1) CHAA GAYE BAADAL NEEL GAGAN PAR - GHUL GAYA KAJRA SHAAM DHALE .. ...filmi



1) PAAGAL CHANDA MERE MAN KI AAG MEIN SAARI RAAT JALE . non- filmi

==============================
2) AAPSE MAINE MERI JAAN MUHABBAT KI HAI , AAP CHAE TO MERI ,,


2) SOCHTA HUN KE MAINE TUMHEIN ..... shahshi kaporr film.

==============================

3) RAHEIN NA RAHEIN HUM , BANKE HAWA,,,,,


3) YAHI HAI TAMANNA TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE,,


==============================

..there maybe more ,,



Shanawaz Ji, thanks for the post. But, what we are looking for are not just distinct similarities in flavor or feel, nor even idenicality only in Mukhda. To qualify, both the songs should be almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and the Antaras. The six pairs we have now do meet these criteria.

Do tell us if you have a pair that strictly complies with these criteria. I know your 2 and 3 pairs do not qualify. But, in your first pair, I know the Film song well, but not the Non-filmi song. If you feel these two are almost identical in tune in Mukhda and also Antara, please u/l both the songs.

Thanks.

Venkat

Venkat



Venkatji, Pagal Chanda.... in my opinion is Rafi saab's one of the best if ' not the best ' non filmi song.
Just a little surprised, being a huge Rafi fan, you have not heard it before, . Here it is. I have not
heard the other one.

[attachmentid=128371]




Posted by: venkat Jun 30 2007, 07:31 AM

[quote name='desai2rn' date='Jun 29 2007, 10:49 PM' post='386364']


Shanawaz Ji, thanks for the post. But, what we are looking for are not just distinct similarities in flavor or feel, nor even idenicality only in Mukhda. To qualify, both the songs should be almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and the Antaras. The six pairs we have now do meet these criteria.

Do tell us if you have a pair that strictly complies with these criteria. I know your 2 and 3 pairs do not qualify. But, in your first pair, I know the Film song well, but not the Non-filmi song. If you feel these two are almost identical in tune in Mukhda and also Antara, please u/l both the songs.

Thanks.

Venkat

Venkat
[/quote]


Venkatji, Pagal Chanda.... in my opinion is Rafi saab's one of the best if ' not the best ' non filmi song.
Just a little surprised, being a huge Rafi fan, you have not heard it before, . Here it is. I have not heard the other one.

[attachmentid=128371]
[/quote]

SN Ji,

After hearing this non-filmi Pagal Chanda song and Chitralekha(1964)'s Rafi-Asha duet (Chha Gaye Badal Neel Gagan), I agree that there is very great similarity of tune both in Mukhda and Antaras, though not as much as in some of the earlier six almost identical pairs. But, I think we can place this pair in our list.

Ramesh Ji, thanks for the upload. And, sure enough, the dig had hit where it hurts! Just joking. But, seriously, I might have heard this non-filmi song earlier, but do not remember.

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Jul 1 2007, 01:45 PM

Friends,

Any more pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune, both in Mukhda and the Antaras?

Venkat

Posted by: Binod Jul 1 2007, 05:03 PM

QUOTE(desai2rn @ Jun 29 2007, 01:19 PM) *


Pagal Chanda.... in my opinion is Rafi saab's one of the best if ' not the best ' non filmi song.

[attachmentid=128371]


Thanks Ramesh Ji.

Binod.

Posted by: venkat Jul 2 2007, 10:44 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *

Friends,

Any more pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune, both in Mukhda and the Antaras?

Venkat


Posted by: usrafian Jul 3 2007, 10:33 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 2 2007, 10:44 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *

Friends,

Any more pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune, both in Mukhda and the Antaras?

Venkat



Venkat Ji,

Here are 2 more 100% identical songs(very popular) :-

[1]
Madan Mohan Sahab & Rafi

Yahi Hai Tamanna
Tere Ghar Ke Samne
Meri Jaan Jaaye
Meri Jaan Jaaye, Haaaye .


R.D.Burman Sahab & Kishore

Sagar Kinaare
Dil Ye Pukaare
Tu Jo Nahin To Mera
Koii Nahin Hai Haaye.



[2]
The second case is a History in itself. (Earlier I have penned it in Lata-Forum).
S.D.Burman Sahab had assisted C.Ramchander Sahab. When Burman Dada started composing independently, he created one melodous tune & exited over it so much that he approached to CR Sahab & humbly asked about his suggestion on the tune. CR Sahab heartily appreciated it & only addition from his side was the starting of tune. After a decade, Roshan Ji approached Burman Dada & requested to grant him permission to use THAT tune & Burman Dada happily agreed. And The Immortal Songs based on THAT immortal tune are -

Thandi Hawaaayen,
Lehraa Ke Aaayen,
Rutt Hai Jawaan,
Tumko Yahaan,
Kaise Bulaayen.


Rahen-Na-Rahen Hum,
Mehka Karenge,
Ban Ke Kali,
Ban Ke Sabba,
Bagh-e-Vafaa Main.


USR

PS: The starting as suggested by CR Sahab was- 'Aaha Aa Aa, La La La La Laa,Hmmm mmm,Kaise Bulaayen'.

Posted by: bawlachintu Jul 3 2007, 12:42 PM

QUOTE
R.D.Burman Sahab & Kishore-Lata


Sagar Kinaare
Dil Ye Pukaare
Tu Jo Nahin To Mera
Koii Nahin Hai Haaye.


"Sagar Kinare" ke pehle aaya tha:

Hamen raston ki jarurat nahin hai-Asha
Film: Naram Garam

None of the examples above, including mine's, qualify for " Pair of Rafi songs"

Posted by: Dr_Faustus Jul 9 2007, 01:34 AM

QUOTE(Dr_Faustus @ Jun 28 2007, 05:57 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 28 2007, 09:21 AM) *


Spot on, Dr. Ji. Both are identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antara. But, do tell me, is there an earlier studio-recorded version of this Naat? Or is this Live Version the only one available?

If there is an earlier studio-recorded version, which came first--Deedar's or this Naat?

Many thanks.

Venkat




Hi Venkat,


I also have the studio version of this Naat.........i'll upload it as soon as possible............
I don't know which came first the Naat or the Deedar song.............can someone out there help us with this question??

Faust........



Here is the studio version:

2. TYPE: Naat STUDIO VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 3.09 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps



Posted by: venkat Jul 9 2007, 09:18 AM

QUOTE(Dr_Faustus @ Jul 9 2007, 01:34 AM) *

QUOTE(Dr_Faustus @ Jun 28 2007, 05:57 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 28 2007, 09:21 AM) *


Spot on, Dr. Ji. Both are identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antara. But, do tell me, is there an earlier studio-recorded version of this Naat? Or is this Live Version the only one available?

If there is an earlier studio-recorded version, which came first--Deedar's or this Naat?

Many thanks.

Venkat




Hi Venkat,


I also have the studio version of this Naat.........i'll upload it as soon as possible............
I don't know which came first the Naat or the Deedar song.............can someone out there help us with this question??

Faust........



Here is the studio version:

2. TYPE: Naat STUDIO VERSION
Song: Basi hai dil main Nabi ki yaad
Time: 3.09 min
Bitrate: 128 kbps


Dr. Faustus Ji,

Many sincere thanks for this upload of the studio-recorded version, in addition to your earlier uploaded Live version.

After hearing this studio version, I can say that it is a real match for the Deedar song, not only in tune but also in Rafi Saab's fresh voice and rendition! Also, regrding the timing of both, I surmise that both these (ie. the Deedar song and this studio-recorded Naat) were at about the same time!

Venkat

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Jul 14 2007, 09:18 AM

Friends,

Any more ideas on pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antaras?

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Sep 17 2007, 07:42 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jul 14 2007, 09:18 AM) *

Friends,

Any more ideas on pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identical in tune both on Mukhda and Antaras?

Venkat


Posted by: oye_sonu Sep 17 2007, 08:33 PM

QUOTE(maheshks @ Jun 21 2007, 09:39 PM) *

Venkatji...

Two tunes were used thrice biggrin.gif

All Rafi.

1. Tu hindu banega na musalmaan banega...dhool ka phool
2. kya kya na sitam tujh pe huye....mohini and
3. gham ho ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana...nai maa (1960)

All Lata.

1. Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare
2. Hum tumhaare liye tum hamaare liye....inteqaam....MD Laxmi Pyare
3. Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare



QUOTE
1. Tu hindu banega na musalmaan banega...dhool ka phool


There is one more song based on this tune. and this time time MD is Laxmikant pyarelal

Haqeeqat ( 1987) song sung by Mohd azz

Na zulm na zaalim ka adhiakaar chalega -2
Duniya mein sirf rahega to sirf pyar rahega



Cheers


Sonu

Posted by: venkat Sep 17 2007, 09:26 PM

Oh, is it, Sonu Ji? I never heard this 1987 song of Mohd. Aziz.

Venkat

Posted by: oye_sonu Sep 18 2007, 03:19 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Sep 17 2007, 09:26 PM) *

Oh, is it, Sonu Ji? I never heard this 1987 song of Mohd. Aziz.

Venkat



Yes Venkat ji its ditto copy of Rafi song from " dhool ka phooll ". thts guarenteed !

I had heard atleast 10 years ago. Tune is good thts why I was able to remember it.

Hukumat was a hit movie of its time. !



cheers


Sonu

Posted by: smodkid Sep 18 2007, 07:35 PM

[quote name='venkat' date='Jun 19 2007, 09:34 AM' post='382809']
[b]Friends,

It was only after I joined HF that I came to know this. There are at least two pairs of Rafi Saab's songs which are almost identical in tune.

PAIR-I:

PAIR-II:

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi



Add,

Hum Laye Hai Toofan Se Kisti Nikal Ke....

Very similar tune.

Posted by: ascorpio Sep 29 2007, 12:11 PM

Just come across these two similar songs, apologies if already mentioned/uploaded

Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum (Devotional)
Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum (Non-Filmi)

[attachmentid=150583]
[attachmentid=150584]

enjoy

ascorpio

Posted by: venkat Sep 30 2007, 09:13 AM

QUOTE(ascorpio @ Sep 29 2007, 12:11 PM) *

Just come across these two similar songs, apologies if already mentioned/uploaded

Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum (Devotional)
Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum (Non-Filmi)

[attachmentid=150583]
[attachmentid=150584]

enjoy

ascorpio


Ascorpio,

Whatever may be your actual name, you are simply great! You have infused new life into this thread by discovering and uploading these two identically tuned (not just similar) songs, both on Mukhda and Antaras!

And what great songs both are! Must-uploads for all Rafi fans! Even if they were not identical, they would have been excellent, top-class uploads. And both are, in fact, even identical in tune!

Many congratulations and thanks for providing yet another genuinely identical pair! "Mere Geeton Ka Singhar Ho Tum" is, of course, penned by Madhukar Rajasthani and composed by Khayyam. Any idea about the other identical song?

Venkat

PS. I tend to think that the "Har Bekhash Ke Gham Kar Ho Tum" is an earlier production compared to "Mere Geeton Ka Singhar Ho Tum"! Incidentally, I now know that this "Har Bekhash Ke Gham Kar Ho Tum" is penned by Feroze Jalandhari and composed by once again Khayyam!


Posted by: venkat Sep 30 2007, 01:05 PM

After hearing both the above great, identically tuned songs many times, I must say that I liked the less famous "Har Bekhas Ke Gham Kar Ho Tum" song more than more famous "Mere Geeton Ka Singhr Ho Tum"!

Venkat

Posted by: ascorpio Sep 30 2007, 01:21 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Sep 30 2007, 08:35 AM) *

After hearing both the above great, identically tuned songs many times, I must say that I liked the less famous "Har Bekhas Ke Gham Kar Ho Tum" song more than more famous "Mere Geeton Ka Singhr Ho Tum"!

Venkat


Venkat, thanks for your comments and feedback, I didnt know these great tunes were composed by Khyaam, thanks for the info

ascorpio

Posted by: venkat Sep 30 2007, 05:43 PM

What a great experience it is to understand Rafi Saab like this, bit by bit with each passing day!

Friends, any other ideas?

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Oct 2 2007, 05:37 PM

QUOTE(ascorpio @ Sep 29 2007, 12:11 PM) *

Just come across these two similar songs, apologies if already mentioned/uploaded

Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum (Devotional)
Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum (Non-Filmi)

[attachmentid=150583]
[attachmentid=150584]

enjoy

ascorpio


Does anyone know the exact years of these two songs?

Venkat

Posted by: SAJDAH Oct 2 2007, 05:43 PM

Another 'twin-pair'.

“Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli” from the movie Jadoo.

“Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein” -Islamic Devotional

https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=27228&view=findpost&p=419564

Sajdah

Posted by: venkat Oct 2 2007, 06:06 PM

QUOTE(SAJDAH @ Oct 2 2007, 05:43 PM) *

Another 'twin-pair'.

“Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli” from the movie Jadoo.

“Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein” -Islamic Devotional

https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=27228&view=findpost&p=419564

Sajdah


Thank you, Sajdah Ji. But, where is the Jadoo song? Could you guide me to it?

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Oct 3 2007, 06:58 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Oct 2 2007, 06:06 PM) *

QUOTE(SAJDAH @ Oct 2 2007, 05:43 PM) *

Another 'twin-pair'.

“Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli” from the movie Jadoo.

“Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein” -Islamic Devotional

https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=27228&view=findpost&p=419564

Sajdah


Thank you, Sajdah Ji. But, where is the Jadoo song? Could you guide me to it?

Venkat


Posted by: orbitor13 Oct 4 2007, 09:58 PM

here it is


courtesy HF smile.gif

Posted by: venkat Oct 5 2007, 07:24 PM

QUOTE(orbitor13 @ Oct 4 2007, 09:58 PM) *

here it is

"Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot hai Jis Ka"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi


courtesy HF smile.gif


O13 Ji, many sincere thanks for this Jadoo song composed by Naushad.

Sajdah Ji, many thanks to you indeed for providing another identically (both on Mukhda and Antaras) tuned pair of Rafi Saab's songs!

Venkat

Posted by: rubystone Nov 24 2007, 10:33 PM

QUOTE(INTEQAAM @ Jun 25 2007, 05:46 PM) *

hello venkat,iam attaching these two songs which in my opinion are very identical in both mukda and antaras.if you examine the line phir wohi dil laya hoon of the first song and then examine the line suno ji ye calcutta hai ,you will find both songs are identical.Even the music is identical.
Here O P Nayyar has repeated the tune of the song of phir wohi dil laya hoon from earlier film howrah bridge.both Rafi gems.
please let me know what you think. smile.gif

attached:banda parwar thaam lo jigar[attachmentid=127598]
by rafi
film phir wohi dil laya hoon[1963]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 3.36mins

attached:eent ki dukki paan ka eeka[attachmentid=127599]
by rafi
film howrah bridge[1958]
music op nayyar
bitrate128kbps
duration 4.04mins





isn't this song from Howrah Bridge??

Posted by: venkat Aug 15 2008, 07:15 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Jun 19 2007, 07:04 PM) *

Friends,

It was only after I joined HF that I came to know this. There are at least ten pairs of Rafi Saab's songs which are almost identical in tune.

PAIR-I:

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata


PAIR-II:

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi


Incidentally, within each of these Pairs, the MDs are the same!

Firends, please let me know if you know any other such almost identical pairs. Mind you, only almost identical pairs. Not similar pairs, of which there are plenty!

Venkat


P.S. Another seven or eight pairs have been discovered in the following posts!


Friends,

Can anyone add to the identical pairs already discussed?

Mind you, we are talking only of pairs of two Rafi songs each, that are identically tuned, both in Mukhda and also the Antara.

We are not talking of hundreds of the pairs wherein there is some similarity only in the Mukhda or only in the Antara.

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat

Posted by: venkat Aug 15 2008, 08:21 PM

Above is the updated list of eight pairs.

Venkat

Posted by: smodkid Aug 16 2008, 08:26 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 10:51 AM) *

Above is the updated list of eight pairs.

Venkat


Venkat ji,


How about....

song from Habari - Pyara Lage Pyar Ki Rahon Ka Pyara Safar - Rafi & Sulkshana Pandit -Music Sapan Jagmohan

and song from Rocky Mera Naam - Soja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale - Rafi - Music - Sapan Jagmohan

Posted by: venkat Aug 16 2008, 08:40 PM

QUOTE(smodkid @ Aug 16 2008, 08:26 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 10:51 AM) *

Above is the updated list of eight pairs.

Venkat


Venkat ji,


How about....

song from Habari - Pyara Lage Pyar Ki Rahon Ka Pyara Safar - Rafi & Sulkshana Pandit -Music Sapan Jagmohan

and song from Rocky Mera Naam - Soja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale - Rafi - Music - Sapan Jagmohan


Jay Ji,

I do not have either song nor can recall them. Do you think these two songs are similar/identical both on Mukhada (opening) and Antara (stanza)?

If yes, someone may kindly upload these for us to conclude. smile.gif

Thanks,

Venkat

Posted by: smodkid Aug 16 2008, 10:19 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 16 2008, 11:10 AM) *

QUOTE(smodkid @ Aug 16 2008, 08:26 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 10:51 AM) *

Above is the updated list of eight pairs.

Venkat


Venkat ji,


How about....

song from Habari - Pyara Lage Pyar Ki Rahon Ka Pyara Safar - Rafi & Sulkshana Pandit -Music Sapan Jagmohan

and song from Rocky Mera Naam - Soja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale - Rafi - Music - Sapan Jagmohan


Jay Ji,

I do not have either song nor can recall them. Do you think these two songs are similar/identical both on Mukhada (opening) and Antara (stanza)?

If yes, someone may kindly upload these for us to conclude. smile.gif

Thanks,

Venkat



Venkat ji

Here are both the songs.

Movie - Habari
Song - Pyara Lage (Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit)
Music - Sapan Jagmohan
4.22 min / 192 Kbps / MP3
[attachmentid=227073]


Rocky Mera Naam - 3.37 min / 128 Kbps / MP3
Song - So Ja Sanam (Rafi)
Music - Sapan Jagmohan
3.37 min / 128 Kbps / MP3
[attachmentid=227074]

Posted by: venkat Aug 16 2008, 10:40 PM

QUOTE(smodkid @ Aug 16 2008, 10:19 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 16 2008, 11:10 AM) *

QUOTE(smodkid @ Aug 16 2008, 08:26 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 10:51 AM) *

Above is the updated list of eight pairs.

Venkat


Venkat ji,


How about....

song from Habari - Pyara Lage Pyar Ki Rahon Ka Pyara Safar - Rafi & Sulkshana Pandit -Music Sapan Jagmohan

and song from Rocky Mera Naam - Soja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale - Rafi - Music - Sapan Jagmohan


Jay Ji,

I do not have either song nor can recall them. Do you think these two songs are similar/identical both on Mukhada (opening) and Antara (stanza)?

If yes, someone may kindly upload these for us to conclude. smile.gif

Thanks,

Venkat



Venkat ji

Here are both the songs.

Movie - Habari
Song - Pyara Lage (Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit)
Music - Sapan Jagmohan
4.22 min / 192 Kbps / MP3
[attachmentid=227073]


Rocky Mera Naam - 3.37 min / 128 Kbps / MP3
Song - So Ja Sanam (Rafi)
Music - Sapan Jagmohan
3.37 min / 128 Kbps / MP3
[attachmentid=227074]


Jay Ji,

Many thanks for giving us the 9th identically tuned pair, both on Mukhda and Antara. There is just a negligible 3% variance in the Antaras. It is significant that most of such pairs are by the same MD, as in this case too.

Good work. smile.gif

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Aug 18 2008, 08:01 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit



More later.



Venkat


Above is the updated list of 9 pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identically tuned both on Mukhda and Antara.

Any more such identical pairs?

Venkat

Posted by: Anupama Aug 19 2008, 02:53 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 18 2008, 10:31 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit



More later.



Venkat


Above is the updated list of 9 pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identically tuned both on Mukhda and Antara.

Any more such identical pairs?

Venkat


Great job Venkatji!

I don't know if these two meet the criteria or not but both were straight lifted off Paul Anka's Diana.

Baap Bete - Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove (MD - Madan Mohan)

Dil Deke Dekho - Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein (MD - Usha Khanna)



Posted by: venkat Aug 19 2008, 08:37 AM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 19 2008, 02:53 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 18 2008, 10:31 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit



More later.



Venkat


Above is the updated list of 9 pairs of Rafi songs that are almost identically tuned both on Mukhda and Antara.

Any more such identical pairs?

Venkat


Great job Venkatji!

I don't know if these two meet the criteria or not but both were straight lifted off Paul Anka's Diana.

Baap Bete - Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove (MD - Madan Mohan)

Dil Deke Dekho - Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein (MD - Usha Khanna)



Anu Ji,

I know the second song very well, but I do not have the first one, nor can recall it.

Do you think that the tunes match both on Mukhda (opening) and also on Antara (stanza)?

If so (or even otherwise), please upload both the songs, as I do not have the Dil Deke Dekho number also.

Venkat

Posted by: Anupama Aug 20 2008, 06:05 AM

Venkatji, here are the songs

Film - Baap Bete 1959
MD - Madan Mohan
Lyricist - Rajendra Krishan

3:45/160kbps

Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove
[attachmentid=227889]


Film - Dil De Ke Dekho 1959
MD - Usha Khanna
Lyricist - Majrooh Sultanpuri

3:13/160kbps

Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein
[attachmentid=227890]

And

here is the link for Paul Anka's Diana

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g33e9t

Venkatji, I leave upto you for the critical analysis. To me they are almost the same. Just a bit here n there.

smile.gif


Posted by: venkat Aug 20 2008, 09:01 AM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 20 2008, 06:05 AM) *

Venkatji, here are the songs

Film - Baap Bete 1959
MD - Madan Mohan
Lyricist - Rajendra Krishan

3:45/160kbps

Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove
[attachmentid=227889]


Film - Dil De Ke Dekho 1959
MD - Usha Khanna
Lyricist - Majrooh Sultanpuri

3:13/160kbps

Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein
[attachmentid=227890]

And

here is the link for Paul Anka's Diana

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g33e9t

Venkatji, I leave upto you for the critical analysis. To me they are almost the same. Just a bit here n there.

smile.gif



Anu Ji, Aap Bole Aur Galti Ho, Aisa Ho Hi Nahin Sakta. smile.gif

Both the songs are almost identical both on Mukhda and Antara. Mukhdas are identical and Antaras are almost identical.

Including the "Aa Aa Aa Aa/ La La La La" in the Antara of Baap Bete song and its match, "Oho Oho Oho Ohohoho", in the Antara of Dil Deke Dekkho song!!! One song is on Neeta and the other on Sheela.

Very good find. More so because, unlike the earlier nine, the songs in this pair have different MDs!!!

So, we have the 10th identical pair. Yahoooo. biggrin.gif


Venkat

Posted by: venkat Aug 20 2008, 10:42 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Aug 20 2008, 10:56 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 09:01 AM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 20 2008, 06:05 AM) *

Venkatji, here are the songs

Film - Baap Bete 1959
MD - Madan Mohan
Lyricist - Rajendra Krishan

3:45/160kbps

Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove
[attachmentid=227889]


Film - Dil De Ke Dekho 1959
MD - Usha Khanna
Lyricist - Majrooh Sultanpuri

3:13/160kbps

Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein
[attachmentid=227890]

And

here is the link for Paul Anka's Diana

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g33e9t

Venkatji, I leave upto you for the critical analysis. To me they are almost the same. Just a bit here n there.

smile.gif



Anu Ji, Aap Bole Aur Galti Ho, Aisa Ho Hi Nahin Sakta. smile.gif

Both the songs are almost identical both on Mukhda and Antara. Mukhdas are identical and Antaras are almost identical.

Including the "Aa Aa Aa Aa/ La La La La" in the Antara of Baap Bete song and its match, "Oho Oho Oho Ohohoho", in the Antara of Dil Deke Dekkho song!!! One song is on Neeta and the other on Sheela.

Very good find. More so because, unlike the earlier nine, the songs in this pair have different MDs!!!

So, we have the 10th identical pair. Yahoooo. biggrin.gif


Venkat


Anu Ji,

I have now downloaded that Paul Anka's DIANA too and heard it.

Neeta and Sheela have come in place of Diana!!! rolleyes.gif

Usha Khanna has copied it 'makhi ki makhhi', whereas Madan Mohan Saab has tried to somewhat improvise!!! biggrin.gif

Venkat

PS. One naughty question, though.

Did MM and UK copy Diana without each other's knowledge and find that both copied the same song, only after both songs were released?

Or, did either of them (ie. either MM or UK) copy the other's song? After all, both songs are of 1959.

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Aug 20 2008, 07:27 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 10:42 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat


Any other ideas?

Venkat

Posted by: Anupama Aug 26 2008, 02:36 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 01:26 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 09:01 AM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 20 2008, 06:05 AM) *

Venkatji, here are the songs

Film - Baap Bete 1959
MD - Madan Mohan
Lyricist - Rajendra Krishan

3:45/160kbps

Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove
[attachmentid=227889]


Film - Dil De Ke Dekho 1959
MD - Usha Khanna
Lyricist - Majrooh Sultanpuri

3:13/160kbps

Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein
[attachmentid=227890]

And

here is the link for Paul Anka's Diana

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g33e9t

Venkatji, I leave upto you for the critical analysis. To me they are almost the same. Just a bit here n there.

smile.gif



Anu Ji, Aap Bole Aur Galti Ho, Aisa Ho Hi Nahin Sakta. smile.gif

Both the songs are almost identical both on Mukhda and Antara. Mukhdas are identical and Antaras are almost identical.

Including the "Aa Aa Aa Aa/ La La La La" in the Antara of Baap Bete song and its match, "Oho Oho Oho Ohohoho", in the Antara of Dil Deke Dekkho song!!! One song is on Neeta and the other on Sheela.

Very good find. More so because, unlike the earlier nine, the songs in this pair have different MDs!!!

So, we have the 10th identical pair. Yahoooo. biggrin.gif


Venkat


Anu Ji,

I have now downloaded that Paul Anka's DIANA too and heard it.

Neeta and Sheela have come in place of Diana!!! rolleyes.gif

Usha Khanna has copied it 'makhi ki makhhi', whereas Madan Mohan Saab has tried to somewhat improvise!!! biggrin.gif

Venkat

PS. One naughty question, though.

Did MM and UK copy Diana without each other's knowledge and find that both copied the same song, only after both songs were released?

Or, did either of them (ie. either MM or UK) copy the other's song? After all, both songs are of 1959.

Venkat



Venkatji, in regard to your question - I really don't know whether Usha Khanna and MM knew that they were copying the same song (Diana) or each other's song.
Madan Mohan was an established MD. To be precise, he had already directed 35-36 movies before Baap Bete. Therefore it's obvious that his copied version was not "makhi ki makhi" (I'm assuming this means word-to-word) whereas Dil Deke Dekho was Usha Khanna's first movie. Not only did she copy this song's tune, most of the songs from DDD were inspired from the other English tunes. smile.gif


Posted by: Anupama Aug 26 2008, 02:43 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 19 2008, 11:31 PM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 20 2008, 06:05 AM) *

Venkatji, here are the songs

Film - Baap Bete 1959
MD - Madan Mohan
Lyricist - Rajendra Krishan

3:45/160kbps

Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove
[attachmentid=227889]


Film - Dil De Ke Dekho 1959
MD - Usha Khanna
Lyricist - Majrooh Sultanpuri

3:13/160kbps

Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein
[attachmentid=227890]

And

here is the link for Paul Anka's Diana

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g33e9t

Venkatji, I leave upto you for the critical analysis. To me they are almost the same. Just a bit here n there.

smile.gif



Anu Ji, Aap Bole Aur Galti Ho, Aisa Ho Hi Nahin Sakta. smile.gif

Both the songs are almost identical both on Mukhda and Antara. Mukhdas are identical and Antaras are almost identical.

Including the "Aa Aa Aa Aa/ La La La La" in the Antara of Baap Bete song and its match, "Oho Oho Oho Ohohoho", in the Antara of Dil Deke Dekkho song!!! One song is on Neeta and the other on Sheela.

Very good find. More so because, unlike the earlier nine, the songs in this pair have different MDs!!!

So, we have the 10th identical pair. Yahoooo. biggrin.gif


Venkat



Let's see if I'm right this time.
Here is another identical-pair:

Bhangra (1958) - Jatt Kudiyaan To'n Darda Maara - Rafi Sahab & Shamshad Begum (Punjabi)
MD - Hansraj Behl
Lyricist - Verma Malik

Reporter Raju (1962) - Mujhe Dekh Na Kudiye Mud Ke - Rafi Sahab & Asha Bhonsle
MD - S.Mohinder
Lyricist - Anjaan


Mujhe Dekh Na Kudiye is a bit more fast paced but both have almost similar folkish tune.




Posted by: Anupama Aug 26 2008, 02:49 AM

Bhangra (1958) - Jatt Kudiyaan To'n Darda Maara - Rafi Sahab & Shamshad Begum (Punjabi)
MD - Hansraj Behl
Lyricist - Verma Malik

6:25/160kbps

[attachmentid=229326]

Reporter Raju (1962) - Mujhe Dekh Na Kudiye Mud Ke - Rafi Sahab & Asha Bhonsle
MD - S.Mohinder
Lyricist - Anjaan

5:09/160kbps

[attachmentid=229327]


Posted by: Anupama Aug 26 2008, 02:56 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 09:57 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 10:42 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat


Any other ideas?

Venkat


We should also take in account these two songs 'Dekho Taanga Mera Niraala & Tere Nainon Ne Jaadu Daala' from Taangewaali 1955 - even though the MD is the same & from the same movie but IMO both the songs are different (one is a solo n the other a duet) with the same tune.

What say?

Posted by: Anupama Aug 26 2008, 03:00 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 01:12 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat


One small correction Venkatji - Unhein Kissa-e-Gham Likhne Jo Baithe is from Naya Kanoon 1965.
MD - Madan Mohan
Lyricist - Hasrat Jaipuri





Posted by: venkat Aug 27 2008, 02:32 PM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 26 2008, 03:00 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 01:12 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat


One small correction Venkatji - Unhein Kissa-e-Gham Likhne Jo Baithe is from Naya Kanoon 1965.
MD - Madan Mohan
Lyricist - Hasrat Jaipuri


Thanks for the correction, Anu Ji.

It means that there are three beautiful solos of Rafi Saab in this Naya Qanoon(1965). 1.Kuch Aisi Pyari Shakl Mere Dilruba Ki Hai, 2.Shama Mein Taqat Kahan Jo Ek Parwane Mein Hai and 3.Unhe Kissa-e-Gham Likhne Ko Baithe.

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Aug 27 2008, 02:38 PM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 26 2008, 02:49 AM) *

Bhangra (1958) - Jatt Kudiyaan To'n Darda Maara - Rafi Sahab & Shamshad Begum (Punjabi)
MD - Hansraj Behl
Lyricist - Verma Malik

6:25/160kbps

[attachmentid=229326]

Reporter Raju (1962) - Mujhe Dekh Na Kudiye Mud Ke - Rafi Sahab & Asha Bhonsle
MD - S.Mohinder
Lyricist - Anjaan

5:09/160kbps

[attachmentid=229327]


Both the songs have only Mukhdas and no Antaras. And the Mukhdas of both songs are identical and hence both songs are identical in tune. smile.gif

S.Mohinder from Punjab must have heard the co-Punjabi, Hansraj Behl's Punjabi song and must have waited for an opportunity to lift it. biggrin.gif

Many thanks for this discovery, Anu Ji.

Venkat

Posted by: princeali Sep 16 2008, 11:10 PM

Venkat-ji,

These two songs sound similar in both Mukhda and Antara:

Tang Aa Chuke Hai (Pyaasa/1957/SDB)

AND

Humko Tumhare Ishq Ne (Ek Musafir Ek Haseena/1962/OPN)


The former has no music, whereas the latter has the tabla and harmonium.

Could OPN have been inspired by SDB, or is this tune from another source ?.

Posted by: venkat Sep 17 2008, 07:14 PM

QUOTE(princeali @ Sep 16 2008, 11:10 PM) *

Venkat-ji,

These two songs sound similar in both Mukhda and Antara:

Tang Aa Chuke Hai (Pyaasa/1957/SDB)

AND

Humko Tumhare Ishq Ne (Ek Musafir Ek Haseena/1962/OPN)


The former has no music, whereas the latter has the tabla and harmonium.

Could OPN have been inspired by SDB, or is this tune from another source ?.


PA Ji,

You are right about this pair. The similarity is, I think, because both are based on the typical Shayari notation tune, popularly used in olden days.

Wish someone could upload both the songs for a thorougher examination! rolleyes.gif

Venkat

Posted by: princeali Sep 18 2008, 05:05 AM

Venkat-ji,

Here are the videos of both songs:

Tang Aa Chukhe Hai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVqsdvYEQz4


Humko Tumhare Ishq Ne:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e00xWLOoyU

Posted by: usrafian Sep 18 2008, 10:10 AM

QUOTE(princeali @ Sep 16 2008, 11:10 PM) *

Venkat-ji,

These two songs sound similar in both Mukhda and Antara:

Tang Aa Chuke Hai (Pyaasa/1957/SDB)

AND

Humko Tumhare Ishq Ne (Ek Musafir Ek Haseena/1962/OPN)


The former has no music, whereas the latter has the tabla and harmonium.

Could OPN have been inspired by SDB, or is this tune from another source ?.


PA Ji,

Yes, this tune is from other source.

I agree with Venkat Ji.
Yes, both the songs have same tune based on the popular tune used to sang 'Nazm(?)' during 'Mushairaa'.
Qawwaalee is also a outcome of 'Musahiraa'. We can put these in Folk-tune category. Similarly 'Bhangra' is a Folk-tune. All folk-tunes are having their unavoidable respective 'Chaal' hence I don't think it is fair to put these in 'similar tune' songs.

'Tang Aa chuke Hain' was also sang by Asha in Tower House(1958) composed by N.Datta, with some different tune.

'Ye Hawaa Ye Raat Ye Chandini' by Sajjad Hussain
'Tujhe Kya Synaauun Main Dilruba' by Madan Mohan

Both these Ghazals are having same tune.. Madan Mohan had fully agreed that here I have used Sajjad Sahab's tune.

USR

Posted by: princeali Sep 18 2008, 06:47 PM

Thanks for all of the infomation USR-ji, appreciate it ! smile.gif

The MM-Sajjad story is interesting. Talat sang the song extremely well, but I felt Rafi went one up on him with his powerful rendition.

Posted by: oye_sonu Sep 24 2008, 08:54 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 27 2008, 02:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Aug 26 2008, 02:49 AM) *

Bhangra (1958) - Jatt Kudiyaan To'n Darda Maara - Rafi Sahab & Shamshad Begum (Punjabi)
MD - Hansraj Behl
Lyricist - Verma Malik

6:25/160kbps

[attachmentid=229326]

Reporter Raju (1962) - Mujhe Dekh Na Kudiye Mud Ke - Rafi Sahab & Asha Bhonsle
MD - S.Mohinder
Lyricist - Anjaan

5:09/160kbps

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Both the songs have only Mukhdas and no Antaras. And the Mukhdas of both songs are identical and hence both songs are identical in tune. smile.gif

S.Mohinder from Punjab must have heard the co-Punjabi, Hansraj Behl's Punjabi song and must have waited for an opportunity to lift it. biggrin.gif

Many thanks for this discovery, Anu Ji.

Venkat


frds both songs are based on Punjabi folk tune. So similarity has to be there. and no composer is inspired by other !

one more song based on same tune is RAfi 's - Ude jab jab teri zulfein ! may be the best one on this tune

Its again is by punjabi composer - OPN !~


in lil hurry !

Sonu

Posted by: amwhouthinkiam Sep 29 2008, 03:39 PM

Here's another one by Rafi Saab; I am not sure if this has been posted earlier:

Chori Chori Ik Ishaara Ho gaya Hai (Movie: Basant-Cast-Shammi Kapoor, Nutan)
Aaj Koi Pyaar Se, Dil Ki Baatein Keh Gaya (Movie:Kashmir Ki Kali-Cast-Shammi Kapoor,Sharmila Tagore)


Posted by: venkat May 6 2010, 09:07 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 10:42 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat


Friends,

I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day!

I thank all those who gave their inputs for this thread!!

Venkat

Posted by: simplefable May 7 2010, 09:20 AM

QUOTE(venkat @ May 6 2010, 09:07 PM) *

I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day!


Venkat..that is one heartening news !! smile1.gif
Shows the kind of Zeal this forum members have...And as a longtime listener of Vividhbarati, am sure this has brought immense happiness to you personally. How did this whole thing happen ?? can you explain us ? smile.gif

Posted by: venkat May 8 2010, 06:56 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ May 6 2010, 09:07 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 10:42 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat


Friends,

I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day!

I thank all those who gave their inputs for this thread!!

Venkat




Friends,

It is reconfirmed that these songs would be featured in Vividhbharati's Chhayageet program at 10 P.M on Sunday, the 9th of May! Please do listen and comment!!

Venkat

Posted by: Exon May 8 2010, 10:26 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ May 8 2010, 06:56 PM) *

Friends,

It is reconfirmed that these songs would be featured in Vividhbharati's Chhayageet program at 10 P.M on Sunday, the 9th of May! Please do listen and comment!!

Venkat

Venkat,

Vividh Bharati doesn't reach our area.
Would it be possible to record the entire program? Thanks in advance,

Exon

Posted by: venkat May 9 2010, 07:17 PM

Exon,

Please try this link to listen to Vividhbharati online!

http://www.voicevibes.net/

Else, I will try to upload the recording!

Venkat

Posted by: Exon May 9 2010, 10:59 PM

Venkat,

Thanks a lot for the link. Got the link working on my Mac. Missed the program due to time difference; it was running 'Aap Ki Farmaaish'. However, I have most songs from the list.

Listening to Vividh Bharati after a long time. Listening to radio music is great experience; always surprise songs appear.

Exon


Posted by: venkat May 9 2010, 11:14 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ May 6 2010, 09:07 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 20 2008, 10:42 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs.

Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha



More later.



Venkat


Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs.

Venkat


Friends,

I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day!

I thank all those who gave their inputs for this thread!!

Venkat




Friends,

Yunus Khan Ji , a senior presenter of Vividhbharati, with a voice like Ameen Sayani's, had done a great job of presenting our Rafi's identically tuned pairs, that we brought to light in this thread!

Tonight's Chayageet was the part-I of the program. In tonight's program, Yunus Khan Ji had covered three identical pairs, Pair No.2, Pair No.4 and Pair No.10, mentioned in the above list!!

The other pairs would be covered in another Chayageet program to be announced.

By the way, Yunus Khan Ji was kind enough to mention and acknowledge my name at the end of tonight's Chayageet. He said, "Ek Hi Dhun Pe Banye Gaye Yeh Jodiyan Aap Tak Laane Mein Hamare Hyderabad Ke Shrota, Venkat Ji, Ke Saujany Thaa!"!!!!

Venkat


Posted by: Exon May 10 2010, 09:19 PM

Venkat,

This evening (around 6pm IST), Vividh Bharati replayed the program. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to it. Thanks for the link.

Exon

Posted by: venkat Sep 11 2010, 01:40 PM

Friends,

Just now the ELEVENTH (11TH) identically tuned Pair (of Rafi songs) too is identified by one friend, Anil Goyal!!!


1. "Aag Raag Se Aag Lagaa Do, Aag Lagaa Do"--Film: Sultan-e-Alam--1956---MD:S.Mohinder--Rafi Saheb



&


2. "Iss Gulshan Ko Aag Lagaa Do, Aag Lagaa Do"---Film:Zarak Khan--1963--MD:S.Mohinder---Rafi & Suman



Here too, the MD is same for both and is S.Mohinder. First film is of 1956 and the next is of 1963!!!!

Venkat

Posted by: Faraaj73 Sep 11 2010, 06:20 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi


1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Appreciate if some member (probably Venkat) can kindly upload the two Islamic versions of the famous Naushad compositions.

Posted by: venkat Sep 11 2010, 08:01 PM

QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Sep 11 2010, 06:20 PM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Aug 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi


1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Appreciate if some member (probably Venkat) can kindly upload the two Islamic versions of the famous Naushad compositions.


Here is one of those two, Faraaj!

1. Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad (Identical to Deedar-1951 song)

[attachmentid=342055]

I seem to have lost the other one that is identical to Jadoo-1951 song!!! Let's request someone else to upload that again!!

Venkat



Posted by: venkat Sep 11 2010, 08:14 PM

Faraaj,

I have not lost that other song too, after all!!!

Here it goes!!

""Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi (Identical to the Jadoo-1951--"Pyar Ke Sagar" song)

[attachmentid=342057]

Venkat

PS. The other one requested by you is in my previous post!!

Posted by: Faraaj73 Sep 12 2010, 04:43 AM

QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Sep 11 2010, 06:20 PM) *

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi


1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Appreciate if some member (probably Venkat) can kindly upload the two Islamic versions of the famous Naushad compositions.



Thanks Venkat

Now I know what you mean by identically tuned!!! Based on the voice I'd suggest these two recordings, which are lovely by the way, can't have been recorded much after the original filmic rendering. Good stuff!

Posted by: venkat Sep 12 2010, 06:53 AM

QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Sep 12 2010, 04:43 AM) *

QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Sep 11 2010, 06:20 PM) *

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi


1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Appreciate if some member (probably Venkat) can kindly upload the two Islamic versions of the famous Naushad compositions.



Thanks Venkat

Now I know what you mean by identically tuned!!! Based on the voice I'd suggest these two recordings, which are lovely by the way, can't have been recorded much after the original filmic rendering. Good stuff!



You are right, Faraaj, that both the songs in these pairs are of the same period!! But, that said, we are not sure whether the Islamic one is first or the film one is first!!

For your information, in all these eleven pairs that this thread has 'discovered' or identified, both the songs are almost identically tuned, not just in parts, but in the complete songs, ie. both in mukhdas and antaras!!!! That is what makes these pairs special!!

Otherwise, you see lots and lots of songs which are similar in parts with some other songs, but NOT IDENTICAL with the other song on mukhda as well as antara!!!

Venkat

Posted by: Anupama Sep 13 2010, 05:11 AM

Venkatji, I know two more identical pairs:

1. Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Unknown Female Singer
Pakeezah - Chalo Dildaar Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar


2. Shaadi Se Pehle (1980) - Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)
Teri Talaash Mein - Koi Deewana Tujhe Chaahega - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)

Both have identical Mukhdas n Anatars. If you need any of these songs, I'll send you em via email.

Posted by: venkat Sep 13 2010, 09:06 AM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 05:11 AM) *

Venkatji, I know two more identical pairs:

1. Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Unknown Female Singer
Pakeezah - Chalo Dildaar Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar


2. Shaadi Se Pehle (1980) - Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)
Teri Talaash Mein - Koi Deewana Tujhe Chaahega - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)

Both have identical Mukhdas n Anatars. If you need any of these songs, I'll send you em via email.


Anu, please do send me 1. Koi Deewana Tujhe Chahega and 2. Islamic--Chalo Baghdad Chalo


Thanks,

Venkat

Posted by: Anupama Sep 13 2010, 10:14 AM

Venkkatji, I just sent you both the audios.

I'm listening to Chalo Baghdad Chalo.... It doesn't sound like Rafi sahab to me but I got it from Rafi sahab's Islamic CD. Whoever is singing this sounds like him. It could be Rafi sahab and the audio is just not clear enuf for one to be certain that it is him. Kindly listen to it and tell me what you think.

This site also mentions Rafi sahab as the singer:
http://www.getacd.es/escuchar_1zWhpo1VWnk/bidaai_qawali

Posted by: Faraaj73 Sep 13 2010, 04:00 PM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 09:41 AM) *

Venkatji, I know two more identical pairs:

1. Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Unknown Female Singer
Pakeezah - Chalo Dildaar Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar


2. Shaadi Se Pehle (1980) - Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)
Teri Talaash Mein - Koi Deewana Tujhe Chaahega - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)

Both have identical Mukhdas n Anatars. If you need any of these songs, I'll send you em via email.

Anupama

Could you pls upload Chalo Baghdad Chalo? Thanks!

Posted by: Rushin Sep 13 2010, 08:59 PM

QUOTE(venkat @ Sep 13 2010, 09:06 AM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 05:11 AM) *

Venkatji, I know two more identical pairs:

1. Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Unknown Female Singer
Pakeezah - Chalo Dildaar Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar


2. Shaadi Se Pehle (1980) - Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)
Teri Talaash Mein - Koi Deewana Tujhe Chaahega - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)

Both have identical Mukhdas n Anatars. If you need any of these songs, I'll send you em via email.


Anu, please do send me 1. Koi Deewana Tujhe Chahega and 2. Islamic--Chalo Baghdad Chalo


Thanks,

Venkat



Anuji,

Can you please upload highlighted song from Teri Talaash Mein.

Thanks

Posted by: Anupama Sep 14 2010, 02:39 AM

QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Sep 13 2010, 06:30 AM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 09:41 AM) *

Venkatji, I know two more identical pairs:

1. Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Unknown Female Singer
Pakeezah - Chalo Dildaar Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar


2. Shaadi Se Pehle (1980) - Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)
Teri Talaash Mein - Koi Deewana Tujhe Chaahega - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)

Both have identical Mukhdas n Anatars. If you need any of these songs, I'll send you em via email.

Anupama

Could you pls upload Chalo Baghdad Chalo? Thanks!


Faraaj-ji, I'm uploading the CD version of this song. YT has the song in slightly better quality.

Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo
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Chalo Baghdad Chalo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PVY3KTU10


Posted by: Anupama Sep 14 2010, 02:41 AM

QUOTE(Rushin @ Sep 13 2010, 11:29 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Sep 13 2010, 09:06 AM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 05:11 AM) *

Venkatji, I know two more identical pairs:

1. Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Unknown Female Singer
Pakeezah - Chalo Dildaar Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar


2. Shaadi Se Pehle (1980) - Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)
Teri Talaash Mein - Koi Deewana Tujhe Chaahega - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)

Both have identical Mukhdas n Anatars. If you need any of these songs, I'll send you em via email.


Anu, please do send me 1. Koi Deewana Tujhe Chahega and 2. Islamic--Chalo Baghdad Chalo


Thanks,

Venkat



Anuji,

Can you please upload highlighted song from Teri Talaash Mein.

Thanks



Rushinji, the person I got the song from requested me not to upload it on any public forum. If it was my work or without any condition to it, I'd have shared happily. I can guide you to the YT link of this song:

Koi Deewana Tumhein Chahega
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0AFXL2ykFQ

Teri Saanson Mein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsjGeq_tngk



Posted by: Faraaj73 Sep 14 2010, 03:55 PM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 02:44 PM) *

Venkkatji, I just sent you both the audios.

I'm listening to Chalo Baghdad Chalo.... It doesn't sound like Rafi sahab to me but I got it from Rafi sahab's Islamic CD. Whoever is singing this sounds like him. It could be Rafi sahab and the audio is just not clear enuf for one to be certain that it is him. Kindly listen to it and tell me what you think.

This site also mentions Rafi sahab as the singer:
http://www.getacd.es/escuchar_1zWhpo1VWnk/bidaai_qawali

Hi Anupama

Having heard Chalo Baghdad Chalo on YouTube its definitely not Rafi. The singer is trying to imitate Rafi but struggles (as would anyone!) on the higher pitch...

Posted by: venkat Sep 14 2010, 04:36 PM

QUOTE(Faraaj73 @ Sep 14 2010, 03:55 PM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 02:44 PM) *

Venkkatji, I just sent you both the audios.

I'm listening to Chalo Baghdad Chalo.... It doesn't sound like Rafi sahab to me but I got it from Rafi sahab's Islamic CD. Whoever is singing this sounds like him. It could be Rafi sahab and the audio is just not clear enuf for one to be certain that it is him. Kindly listen to it and tell me what you think.

This site also mentions Rafi sahab as the singer:
http://www.getacd.es/escuchar_1zWhpo1VWnk/bidaai_qawali

Hi Anupama

Having heard Chalo Baghdad Chalo on YouTube its definitely not Rafi. The singer is trying to imitate Rafi but struggles (as would anyone!) on the higher pitch...


Yeah, Faraaj! It is certainly not Rafi!! Even Anupama had her doubts (expressed in a post of hers above!)!!!

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Sep 14 2010, 05:45 PM

Friends,

Time now to update our latest list of TWELVE (12) identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs, both in Mukhdas and Antaras!!!!


Pair 1

1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha (Lyrics: Maqdoom Moinuddin)

2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata (Lyrics: Hasrat Romani)

Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet!

1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi (Lyrics: Sahir Ludhianvi)

2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi (Lyrics: Raja Mehdi Ali Khan)

3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi (Lyrics: Shevan Rizvi)

Pair 3

1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata (Lyrics: Majrooh Sultanpuri)

2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha (Lyrics: Shakeel Badyuni)


Pair 4

1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi (Lyrics: Akhthar Romani)

2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi (Lyrics: Shevan Rizvi)

Pair 5

1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi

2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi

Pair 6

1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi

Pair 7

1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi

2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi

Pair 8

1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi

2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi

Pair 9

1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi (Lyrics: Naqsh Lyalpuri)

2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit (Lyrics: M.G.Hashmat)

Pair 10

1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi (Lyrics:Rajendra Krishna)

2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Usha Khanna (Lyrics: Majrooh Sultanpuri)


Pair 11

1. "Aag Raag Se Aag Lagaa Do, Aag Lagaa Do"---Film:Sultan-e-Alam--1956-- MD:S.Mohinder---Rafi (Lyrics: Tanveer Naqvi)

2. "Iss Gulshan Ko Aag Lagaa Do, Aag Lagaa Do"--Film: Zarak Khan-1963---MD:S.Mohinder---Rafi & Suman (Lyrics: Anand Bakshi)


Pair 12


1. "Koi Deewana Tumhe Chaahega, Kabhi Tum Ne Socha Bhi Na Hogaa" -Film:Teri Talaash Mein - 1968--MD: Sapan Jagmohan--Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (Lyrics: Naqsh Lyalpuri)

2. "Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai" -Film: Shaadi Se Pehle -1980-MD: Sapan Jagmohan--Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (Lyrics: Gauhar kaanpuri)


More later!!!

Venkat

Posted by: Rushin Sep 14 2010, 10:33 PM

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 14 2010, 02:41 AM) *

QUOTE(Rushin @ Sep 13 2010, 11:29 AM) *

QUOTE(venkat @ Sep 13 2010, 09:06 AM) *

QUOTE(Anupama @ Sep 13 2010, 05:11 AM) *

Venkatji, I know two more identical pairs:

1. Islamic Devotional Song - Chalo Baghdad Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Unknown Female Singer
Pakeezah - Chalo Dildaar Chalo - Mohd.Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar


2. Shaadi Se Pehle (1980) - Teri Saanson Mein Kaisi Khushboo Hai - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)
Teri Talaash Mein - Koi Deewana Tujhe Chaahega - Mohd.Rafi & Asha Bhonsle (MD - Sapan Jagmohan)

Both have identical Mukhdas n Anatars. If you need any of these songs, I'll send you em via email.


Anu, please do send me 1. Koi Deewana Tujhe Chahega and 2. Islamic--Chalo Baghdad Chalo


Thanks,

Venkat



Anuji,

Can you please upload highlighted song from Teri Talaash Mein.

Thanks



Rushinji, the person I got the song from requested me not to upload it on any public forum. If it was my work or without any condition to it, I'd have shared happily. I can guide you to the YT link of this song:

Koi Deewana Tumhein Chahega
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0AFXL2ykFQ

Teri Saanson Mein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsjGeq_tngk



Thanks Anuji,

Very useful links.


Posted by: mohanflora Sep 24 2010, 09:07 AM



two very well known songs. even though they are variations of the the mukhdas and antaras they seem so similar and so hummable and so soothing!` and i don't seem to tire listening to them too!-

1.jaane kis roop ki. film-archana. rafisaab. sj

2. jab bhi yeh dil udas hota hai. film-seema-rafisaab.sj

Posted by: venkat Sep 24 2010, 02:12 PM

QUOTE(mohanflora @ Sep 24 2010, 09:07 AM) *

two very well known songs. even though they are variations of the the mukhdas and antaras they seem so similar and so hummable and so soothing!` and i don't seem to tire listening to them too!-

1.jaane kis roop ki. film-archana. rafisaab. sj

2. jab bhi yeh dil udas hota hai. film-seema-rafisaab.sj



Many thanks, Mohanflora! These two Shankar Jaikishan numbers are indeed very simialr in feel and flavor!

Venkat

Posted by: venkat Jan 11 2012, 09:59 AM

Many thanks to the Adinistrators fro PINNING this very original research!!! As already mentioned by me earlier, the songs found in this study were used by VIVIDHBHARATI to run two special CHHAYAGEET programs very recently!!!

It was kind of them to have acknowledged our names in those programs!!!


Venkat

Posted by: Shahid Hussain Jan 20 2012, 09:43 PM

Good News For The Muhammad Rafi Fans And Punjabi Songs Lovers !
The World`s First Ever Book On Muhammad Rafiji`S Punjabi Songs Is Under Publication Which Will Cover All The Punjabi Songs Sung By Muhammad Rafi For Punjabi Films Or Non-Films. Bhajans, Ashloks And All Other Devotional Songs Are Included.The Detail Will Soon Be Posted.


Regards
Shahid Hussain
Lahore
00923224698677
singer.rafi@gmail.com
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Mohammad_Rafi_Singer/

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