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QUOTE(parag_sankla @ Feb 26 2009, 01:04 PM) *

There is no denial about existence of these issues, it is just that the film portrays only this side of India. That is exactly "Poverty Porn" IMHO.


I do not think we can ask independent film maker what movie to make. Else it will look like state propaganda.

Also there are lots of processions against this. Well they can all pitch in money and make India shining part 2, that is how I feel


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QUOTE(parag_sankla @ Feb 26 2009, 11:34 PM) *

There is no denial about existence of these issues, it is just that the film portrays only this side of India. That is exactly "Poverty Porn" IMHO.


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Parag bhai kuchh had tak aap theek keh rahe ho. Westerns hamesha kuchh hi topics ko touch karte hain jab India ki baat aati hai.

Jab unhe ( rich rich) western audience( aur jury) ke emotions ko ujagar karna ho to poverty se badiya kya topic. !!.
Magar iss baat mein sachai hai. the way we take US as v rich country, not knowing it too has many poors, they too have our image that of a Poor country, not knowing our other +ve aspects. so whenever a movie on poverty has to be made they will go towrds third world countres


Movie ke fayade bhi hue.- prove hua hamara talent.
Nuksaan - jinko nahin bhi pata tha , wo bhi Indian poverty ke baare mein jaan jayenge ! aur country ki image slums wali banegi !
Aur ab ek jhhadi lag jayegi Indian poverty aur slums per banane wali films per. laugh.gif

Magar isse hum bhaag nahin sakte. India mein poverty bahut hai. log exploit karenge. kya kar sakte hain !

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India mein poverty bahut hai. log exploit karenge

Madhur bhandar ke bare mai aaisa mat bolo, he makes movies like corporate too.

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Westerns hamesha kuchh hi topics ko touch karte hain jab India ki baat aati hai.

What did "Gandhi" the movie convey?

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not knowing our other +ve aspects

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Madhur bhandar ke bare mai aaisa mat bolo, he makes movies like corporate too.

Maine madhur ko nahin kaha. westerns ko kaha tha.

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What did "Gandhi" the movie convey?

Gandhii to yaad hai. Exceptions hai maine kab kaha nahin hai. overall picture dekho aap.

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aaisa nahi hai.. pichli post pado cool.gif

haan kaun keh raha 100% log ignorant hai india ke progress per. outsourcing achh eg hai . bangore etc.
magar overall image alag hai.
( I once met one USer on chat. he asked how you speak Indian( our language) !! )

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Ye to US ki baat hui na ki US wale indian kya hain. Aur General masses kya image lekar chalte hain mainn uski baat kar rahe hoon.

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Parag Just my 2 cents here

Even though i did not like the movie but I don't think the movie shows India as slums & Indians as poor. The slum depiction in the first half of the movie is the story of early 80s/late 70s. Later when the movie is set in present day India ( when he goes to participate in the game show) they show that India has changed drastically... it has become one of the fastest growing nations... One of the protagonist (Hero's brother) even has a dialouge of something of that sort. The film paints modern india as hub for BPO and call Centers.. the lead even works in one of those places!


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Maine madhur ko nahin kaha. westerns ko kaha tha
Why not him....? usko bhi bolo…. He too made movie on kids forced to beg, goons and poverty

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Gandhii to yaad hai. Exceptions hai maine kab kaha nahin hai. overall picture dekho aap.

Aur kaunsi .. rather kitni movies bani hai Indian slums pe? lets do a count

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magar overall image alag hai

ok, what would you do? Hide it or try to change it, but you have to agree its a reality. If change it, then onus is on you not others.

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Ye to US ki baat hui na ki US wale indian kya hain.
Are they not Indians? Do they not represent India? come on man..... Why do you want to look at only negativity, when some positive thing comes your why why ignore it?

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PS : are discussion lamba nikala ja raha. apoon to ghooomta phirta agya madam ke bulawe per. my last post on it ! cheers !

Same here… times pass se full time ho gaya.. I agree laugh.gif


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ok, what would you do? Hide it or try to change it, but you have to agree its a reality. If change it, then onus is on you not others.

Are they not Indians? Do they not represent India? come on man..... Why do you want to look at only negativity, when some positive thing comes your why why ignore it?[/quote]

Marcilo bhai uper wala reply pado jo maine uper diya hai. usmein bhi maine wahi baatein likhi hai +ves aur -ve etc. koi mana nahin kar sakta ki slums hai.infact maine to yeh bhi likha ki jaise hum US ko lekar ignorant hai ( they ve poors) waise wo bhi ignorant hai hamare baare mein. to isme koi haraane wali baat nahin hai agar wo yaahaan akar poverty per movie baanate hian. ( read post )

Magar, agar film totally slums per hai to ye definately india ki image ko effect karega. jaisa filmein aisa karti hain. yehi baat maine uper likhi hai !. haan main kabhi -ve aspect ko ignore nahin kar sakta.

Ya to koi +ve points ko galat kahe. waisa maine kahin nahin likha !


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[quote]PS : are discussion lamba nikala ja raha. apoon to ghooomta phirta agya madam ke bulawe per. my last post on it ! cheers ![/quote]
Same here… times pass se full time ho gaya.. I agree laugh.gif
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to isme koi haraane wali baat nahin hai agar wo yaahaan akar poverty per movie baanate hian. ( read post )

Sab log poverty pe banate hai kaya? Kitni bani hai? do you know? ek .. do.. 5 6... 12... 18.19…. ?? whats the count?

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Magar, agar film totally slums per hai to ye definately india ki image ko effect karega.

Its just a movie. Let it watch it like that, its not national Ad campaign. India's image is not variable to one movie. As I said earlier there are many here that say you have to be an engineer or a doctor when you are an Indian. So what image does that create?

Read this article. It's interesting read, below are few excerpts
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Sony's love story Saawariya, released in November 2007, was the first movie made by the studio in India.
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Sony has acquired a string of Hindi-language movies for release. They include Straight, the quirky tale of a 40-year-old virgin confused about his sexuality, and Tere Saath, a story about teen pregnancy in urban India.
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Disney's Roadside Romeo, co-produced with Bollywood's Yash Raj Films and released last October
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Warner Brothers has tested the waters with the martial-arts genre. The studio released a $9 million kung-fu comedy, Chandni Chowk to China, with Bollywood's top-billed star Akshay Kumar


All these producers are not Indian companies, these are Hollywood banners and I doubt these are all slum movies.
I am not saying India is all slums, it's just that movie maker is an independent mind that wants to make a movie

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One beneficiary of Hollywood's growing interest in India is Mumbai-based producer UTV. In 2007, UTV and Fox co-produced Indian-American director Mira Nair's The Namesake. UTV was also co-producer of Indian-born director M. Night Shyamalan's The Happening, which opened last year and has pulled in more than $160 million globally.

Sonu, you seen Village? Movie by shyamalan? That was shot in amreeka… had amreekan people.. that movie was not about, world class high rises or Mission impossible style superlative action nor it was about flashy race cars.

So India born guy made a movie that depicted amreekans are overly scared superstitious people, is that it? huh.gif huh.gif

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Its just a movie. Let it watch it like that, its not national Ad campaign. India's image is not variable to one movie. As I said earlier there are many here that say you have to be an engineer or a doctor when you are an Indian. So what image does that create?


Mariclo bhai isme burai kya hai. Agar main movie ke +ve points ko appreciate kar saktoon hooon to uske kisi -ve point ko kyon nahin discus kar sakta. ??? I have already acknowledged whereever we are gaining from that movie or whatever is good abt that movie. so what is objectionable about discussing any -ve point ?? infact I have gone ahead and started a thread on another aspect of SDM- oscars- where does indian talent stand !



Few enngg doctors in amrica dont make all indians in india the same nor does it shows that india as the country of docs or enggs. instead they might be mocking on us saying all engg and docs have come to US to serve them.(brain drain !) . mera uper wala reply dekho usme mein maine aur bhi +Ves ginayein hain . Outroucsing, banglore - IT etc ! they know all !. magar over all image still still ek 3rd world country ki hai ! forgot hayden's comments ? did he called us country of engg and docs? or do the tourists who come here come to country of docs or engs?


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All these producers are not Indian companies, these are Hollywood banners and I doubt these are all slum movies. Iam not saying India is all slums, it's just that movie maker is an independent mind that wants to make a movie

This is totally diff case. hollywood companies financing indian masala movies.
we are talking about hollywood directors, producers doing projects of hollywood with indian topics or 3rd world issues !

Main nahin kehta ki kisi contry ki image "SIRF EK" movie se banti hai. but good movies do impact a country's image. good examples are awara or shree 420, ask russians who made it a point to visit the country of Awara or raj kapoor ! or bollywood movies in indonesia. where many make fun of bolly dialogue " bacho bachao"( indirectly shows how women are treated here !). or japanese who now wants to meet rajnikant !

I havent seen the movie. "but if" its totally about slums it will definatly effect India's image w r t slums etc. isme koi 2 rai nahin hai. 8 oscar winner hai log 10 baar dekhenge !

Haan agar aap ko lagta hai ki koi movies se effect nahin padta kisi country ki image ko tab mere hisaab se discussion ka itna fayada nahin hoga.

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QUOTE(Marcilo @ Feb 27 2009, 02:46 AM) *

Sonu, you seen Village? Movie by shyamalan?

So India born guy made a movie that depicted amreekans are overly scared superstitious people, is that it? huh.gif huh.gif

Hollywood to door........bollyywood ki koi movie nahin dekh paata ! !! tongue1.gif

I cant comment much on it unless I have seen the movie.

Even then , this movie didnt won oscars, aur aisa bhi nahin hai ki ye unn kuchh movies mein hai jo US se India mein dekhi jayengi. Na hi ye Indian( non US) audience ke liye bani hai. na hi koi "known fact" ko glorify karke pesh kara gaya dusre deshon ke liye. ( US pple are not known to be superstitious ! )


SDM ne oscars jeete, impact will be more.. Its among those rare movies that is made on indian topic and that will be seen by most of the americans !. its target audience and approach is more western. and here(if) a known fact( poverty) is shown in movie.
so movie will definatly effect our image as a poor countryin that case !


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QUOTE(Sangeet @ Feb 26 2009, 11:53 AM) *

Parag Just my 2 cents here

Even though i did not like the movie but I don't think the movie shows India as slums & Indians as poor. The slum depiction in the first half of the movie is the story of early 80s/late 70s. Later when the movie is set in present day India ( when he goes to participate in the game show) they show that India has changed drastically... it has become one of the fastest growing nations... One of the protagonist (Hero's brother) even has a dialouge of something of that sort. The film paints modern india as hub for BPO and call Centers.. the lead even works in one of those places!


Sangeet ji

No one has the answer for this argument:

We all knew Danny Boyle would get the award, having portrayed India negatively, projecting the slums and drains of Bharat, the inhuman behaviour of the police and highlighting the brothels of Mumbai. With goons flourishing in the slums of Mumbai, engaged in making big money and the mafia plucking out eyes of children, the film had the right mix of ingredients to make it to the top at the Oscar awards ceremony.

After all, it’s this aspect of India that’s been adored by phirangs in the past, who term India as the country of snake-charmers and elephants, refusing to believe that it is at par today with any other country in the areas of IT, science and technology, fashion and beauty care as well.

Once again, there is no denial, it is the question of how something gets portrayed!

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QUOTE(Sangeet @ Feb 26 2009, 11:53 AM) *

Parag Just my 2 cents here

Even though i did not like the movie but I don't think the movie shows India as slums & Indians as poor. The slum depiction in the first half of the movie is the story of early 80s/late 70s. Later when the movie is set in present day India ( when he goes to participate in the game show) they show that India has changed drastically... it has become one of the fastest growing nations... One of the protagonist (Hero's brother) even has a dialouge of something of that sort. The film paints modern india as hub for BPO and call Centers.. the lead even works in one of those places!


Sangeet ji

No one has the answer for this argument:

We all knew Danny Boyle would get the award, having portrayed India negatively, projecting the slums and drains of Bharat, the inhuman behaviour of the police and highlighting the brothels of Mumbai. With goons flourishing in the slums of Mumbai, engaged in making big money and the mafia plucking out eyes of children, the film had the right mix of ingredients to make it to the top at the Oscar awards ceremony.

After all, it’s this aspect of India that’s been adored by phirangs in the past, who term India as the country of snake-charmers and elephants, refusing to believe that it is at par today with any other country in the areas of IT, science and technology, fashion and beauty care as well.

Once again, there is no denial, it is the question of how something gets portrayed!

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Parag,

The argument you quoted above doesn't even deserve an answer, because this argument is inherently faulty and highly biased. See the film and decide for yourself if the film portrays India negatively!

Again, to reiterate my point, this film gained popularity because of its underlying theme of hope and winning against all odds and NOT because it portrayed India negatively.

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The film paints modern india as hub for BPO and call Centers.. the lead even works in one of those places!




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projecting the slums and drains of Bharat, the inhuman behaviour of the police and highlighting the brothels of ............



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