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vivekpm
post Dec 21 2005, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(princeali @ Dec 21 2005, 05:39 AM) *
Ganguly is still more talented than many of the current Indian batsman, which has been proved recently, but he should not have been treated the way he is.

I don't like the idea of re-calling Wasim Jaffer and the not playing him, he should have been played instead of Gambhir in this test.



Given that Gambhir failed again, Jaffer will get a look-in in first test against Pak. And given all the hype and controversy created around his dropping, Ganguly might get into the squad for Pak. Though I still believe that he should be in the team only for ODIs.


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Some information for u, just in case u r not aware of. Kaif has been playing first class cricket for the last 8 years. In the 67 matches that he has played so far, he scored 5 centuries, with highest score of 136 and a pathetic average of 37. I think other than BD and Zim teams, you wont find any other test batsmen with such poor record. Even most all rounders have better batting averages. So on what basis u think he is going to succeed in test?


I agree that with you here that average of 37 is not something to show for a batsman. I never said he should be sustained for Pak. My feeling is that, sooner or later he will make a comeback.

Apart from all the names discussed here, does anyone remember a player called Badani? He deserves a chance too IMHO.

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post Dec 22 2005, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE(vivekpm @ Dec 21 2005, 11:09 AM) *

Given that Gambhir failed again, Jaffer will get a look-in in first test against Pak. And given all the hype and controversy created around his dropping, Ganguly might get into the squad for Pak. Though I still believe that he should be in the team only for ODIs.

I totally agree with u here.

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I agree that with you here that average of 37 is not something to show for a batsman. I never said he should be sustained for Pak. My feeling is that, sooner or later he will make a comeback.

Apart from all the names discussed here, does anyone remember a player called Badani? He deserves a chance too IMHO.

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Yes I also think that he will make comeback, but he wont be able to sustain coz he lacks the consistency and the hunger to make runs. Yeah I remember Badani, but he too has problem with consistency. He fails more often than he scores runs. I do not understand this, a batsman who scores runs in FC matches once in a while, how can u expect him to succeed in test cricket? He might just play good knocks here n there, but he cant be a regular. This is the difference between Dravid and Ganguly. Both of them had a very decent start to their test careers, but while Dravid’s avg just kept on rising, Ganguly’s went the other way. Look at their FC careers and u will know the reason y that happened.

Btw I was reading a thread on “Riddles” and I must say u have some AMAZING skills in solving them.
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post Dec 22 2005, 04:46 AM
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Yuvraj too has an aveage of about 37 and so does Gambhir. Hence I cant see a problem with Kaif who is not only a good fielder but also has a good cricketing brain.

Yuvraj surely has the class but I doubt about Gambhir. The main issue with players not being consistent is that they dont have the class to perform consistently. Jaffer has scored many runs in domestic cricket but he fails whenever he plays at the international level. Most Indian players in the past and present suffer from this problem.

Ashok Mankad was a king in domestic cricket but a failure at international level. Other players that come in mind include Surinder Amarnath, Ashok Malhotra, Brijesh Patel, Anshuman Gaikwad, Akash Chopra, Bhaskar Pillay, Badani, Dinseh Mongia and many more.

We need top sought out our opening pair as soon as possible. I also belive Sewag is a poor choice for leading India in the future, IMO his captiancy in this test is being childish. Hopefully Rahul can hang on the job as much as possible.

I doubt Ganguly can make any comeback unless a few players fall ill. There is no room for him in both forms ofthe game. I do agree with that he was a player of class but I doubt if there is any gas left in the cylinders. He is very sentimental and lacks motivation, all characteristics of a player that is not required in the dressing room.

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I doubt Ganguly can make any comeback unless a few players fall ill. There is no room for him in both forms ofthe game. I do agree with that he was a player of class but I doubt if there is any gas left in the cylinders. He is very sentimental and lacks motivation, all characteristics of a player that is not required in the dressing room.


I agree Ganguly was a class player, he still is one, with an exception on the legside. Right from the day he was seen being uncomfortable on the leg side his run scoring chocked and he did work hard to improve in that area, but with less success. Even now when he hooks or pulls on the leg side, he moves with his whole body rather than freeing his arms a lil bit. All said, experience is what that counts for match temperament and he has enough, which he showed at Kotla. Do not forget that he made his entry into test cricket with a couple flamboyant hundreds.

I wudnt say he is a bad choice for tests, but not for the one-dayers. He is not a fast mover in the field and not a great fielder either that has just sealed his entry into the shorter version.

Considering his achievements and his service to Indian Cricket i am personally sad at the way he has been handled. Atleast the selectors should have given a reason for his exclusion, but they jus said "It was an unanimous decision" to remove him. I think no one in the selection panel likes him.

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Yes I also think that he will make comeback, but he wont be able to sustain coz he lacks the consistency and the hunger to make runs. Yeah I remember Badani, but he too has problem with consistency. He fails more often than he scores runs. I do not understand this, a batsman who scores runs in FC matches once in a while, how can u expect him to succeed in test cricket? He might just play good knocks here n there, but he cant be a regular. This is the difference between Dravid and Ganguly. Both of them had a very decent start to their test careers, but while Dravid’s avg just kept on rising, Ganguly’s went the other way. Look at their FC careers and u will know the reason y that happened.

Btw I was reading a thread on “Riddles” and I must say u have some AMAZING skills in solving them.


Thanks for the compliment smile1.gif

While Kaif cannot be sustained as of now, I think Badani has fair enough record in FC cricket and he has played only 3-4 test matches. But Pak series won't be ideal to try him out. And looking at all these options I am getting more and more convinced that Ganguly will come in the squad even though he has not got that great a test record. He will have to wait though for someone's injury to get into playing XI unless ofcourse India choose to go in with a make-shift opener (which will be a very bad idea against rejuvenated Pak team).

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QUOTE(vivekpm @ Dec 22 2005, 11:44 AM) *

Thanks for the compliment smile1.gif

While Kaif cannot be sustained as of now, I think Badani has fair enough record in FC cricket and he has played only 3-4 test matches. But Pak series won't be ideal to try him out. And looking at all these options I am getting more and more convinced that Ganguly will come in the squad even though he has not got that great a test record. He will have to wait though for someone's injury to get into playing XI unless ofcourse India choose to go in with a make-shift opener (which will be a very bad idea against rejuvenated Pak team).

Currently listening to the songs you are playing. Good playlist I must say.

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Thanx for the compliment, it was the farmaishes of my listeners that made me look so good smile1.gif I think Ganguly will be back soon, but more important will be how he makes the comeback. Will he take a backdoor entry or enter via good performances. I doubt the second option, coz he is not known for hard work and committment to the game (at least not in last few years). All the problems that he is currently facing, would not have come had he been a little less arrogant and more hard working.

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Yuvraj too has an aveage of about 37 and so does Gambhir. Hence I cant see a problem with Kaif who is not only a good fielder but also has a good cricketing brain.
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Here r some FC stats

Kaif - 67 matches, 5 centuries, 136 highest, 37.00 average
Yuvraj - 59 matches, 13 centuries, 209 highest, 46.19 avg
Gambhir - 76 matches, 19 centuries, 233* highest, 52.75 avg

Track in my opinion all this good impression abt Kaif is just based on hype created by media and Ganguly who promoted him just to keep his own place safe in the test team. I dont doubt Kaif has a strong work ethics, but if u dont have that hunger to score runs, u cant succeed at any level. I agree he has done very well in ODI this season, but I doubt he can keep this performance for much longer.
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Vivek: Apart from all the names discussed here, does anyone remember a player called Badani? He deserves a chance too IMHO.


Yes, I remember very much. And I also remember another player named Dinesh Mongia....... who keeps on playing big innings in domestic as well as county cricket....and keeps on piling up wickets with his left arm spin too...... match after match......... Wonder how no body remembers him..... leave alone consider..... mellow.gif huh.gif

PS: For the statistically inclined, he made a 175 just yesterday in the Ranji match for Punjab biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(ashgupta3 @ Dec 22 2005, 10:03 PM) *

QUOTE(tracknest @ Dec 22 2005, 04:46 AM) *

Yuvraj too has an aveage of about 37 and so does Gambhir. Hence I cant see a problem with Kaif who is not only a good fielder but also has a good cricketing brain.
sing room.

Here r some FC stats

Kaif - 67 matches, 5 centuries, 136 highest, 37.00 average
Yuvraj - 59 matches, 13 centuries, 209 highest, 46.19 avg
Gambhir - 76 matches, 19 centuries, 233* highest, 52.75 avg

Track in my opinion all this good impression abt Kaif is just based on hype created by media and Ganguly who promoted him just to keep his own place safe in the test team. I dont doubt Kaif has a strong work ethics, but if u dont have that hunger to score runs, u cant succeed at any level. I agree he has done very well in ODI this season, but I doubt he can keep this performance for much longer.


I was talking about Test Match cricket only. I dont think he was promoted in any way. He is a self made man.
Even Yuvraj was crticised for being included in test cricket but it seems he is proving his critics wrong. FC aveages are anyway misleading.

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QUOTE(gkshyam @ Dec 23 2005, 02:49 AM) *

Yes, I remember very much. And I also remember another player named Dinesh Mongia....... who keeps on playing big innings in domestic as well as county cricket....and keeps on piling up wickets with his left arm spin too...... match after match......... Wonder how no body remembers him..... leave alone consider..... mellow.gif huh.gif

PS: For the statistically inclined, he made a 175 just yesterday in the Ranji match for Punjab biggrin.gif

Mongia was out of form most of this season, if he gets back in his form now, he has the potential to get into the team for series against England.
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