Kuch Aur Zamaana Kehta Hain, Chhoti Chhoti Baatein (1965) |
Kuch Aur Zamaana Kehta Hain, Chhoti Chhoti Baatein (1965) |
trijoy |
Mar 22 2005, 04:28 AM
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Can someone please upload this number?
Thanks. Trijoy |
sangeetbhakt |
Mar 22 2005, 05:42 AM
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trijoy |
Mar 22 2005, 07:52 AM
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Very much appreciated Sangeetbhakt.
Trijoy |
ani218122 |
Jun 25 2005, 07:40 PM
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brgarg |
Jul 1 2005, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(ani218122 @ Jun 25 2005, 07:40 PM) There was a video of ANil Biswqs , where Meena Kapoor sings the mukhda of this no. It was shown on AIR some years back.. cud anybody check this video please? QUOTE(trijoy @ Mar 22 2005, 07:52 AM) dear sir, How a video can be shown by All India Radio? It could be some Doordarshan programme in which Meena Kapoor second wife of Anil Biswas might be perfoming on this song clipping. this song was picturised on Moti Lal & Nadira. |
Pulkit |
Jul 6 2005, 05:42 PM
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The video was probably from the series 'Gaata Jaaye Banjara' where they interviewed Anil Biswas. After lamenting leaving the industry due to its commercialization Biswas went on to say that he had another grudge- a voice which had base, sex, appeal, versatality was not recognized and used fully by the industry. He was referring to his wife Meena Kapoor's voice, after this comment of his, she sang the mukhadaa from this song. Can someone please upload this song, my version has acquired too much of hiss.
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bchatterjee |
Jul 10 2005, 09:25 AM
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Can someone please upload this number once again?
Thanks. Bappa |
aahat |
Jul 10 2005, 12:37 PM
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sangeetbhakt |
Jul 13 2005, 02:48 AM
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This post is really a response to a post in the Geeta Dutt forum. Since it
was not relevant to that forum, I am posting my response here. QUOTE(fiftysomeone @ Jul 9 2005, 07:50 PM) QUOTE(unni @ Jul 10 2005, 07:23 AM) Due to the limited output of her songs, IMHO it does not justify a separate sub-forum for Meena Kapoor. While on the subject, here are some video clips (in Real Media) from "ANOKHA PYAR" featuring the voice of Meena Kapoor : A separate sub-forum for Meena Kapoor may be overdoing it. I have read that one of the reasons why Anil Biswas withdrew from the industry is b'cos of the lack of recognition of Meena, his better half, whose voice he felt had everything. I saw Meena Kapoor recently on TV in a programme on Roshan. Which reminds me, that the song "Ae Dil Meri Wafa" is probably sung by Lata & Ira Nagrath (Mrs. Roshan), though in some databases it shows as Ira Nagrath/Meena Kapor. Which is right? In the movie Lata sings for Nalini Jaywant, and there seems to be only one other heroine - Nargis. Could these be version songs? Thx for the video-clips Unni saab. Cheers 50Some1 Don't know if this has been discussed on HF till now. But here is the explanation. In those days, singers used to record songs twice, once for the film and once for the record. The record version was typically because of limitations on the length of the song to fit into a 45 rpm or 78 rpm record. But there could have been other reasons as well. For the film "Anokha pyaar", one of the versions had been recorded (I believe the film versions) in Meena Kapoor's voice. However, when it came time to make the record version, she was ill and unable to do the recording. So Lata came in and recorded those songs. The only case where this was not possible was the Lata/Meena Kapoor duet "Ae dil meri wafa me". So in this case, Ira Nagrath was brought in to sing with Lata. That is the reason why there are 2 versions of all the songs in the film which have Meena Kapoor's voice. The Ira Nagrath version is harder to come by. The EMI CD of "Anokha pyaar" has the 2 versions of all the songs except this one. And to make matters worse, they have mistakenly identified the Lata/Meena Kapoor version as being the Lata/Ira Nagrath version. Sigh!!!! One wishes there was more attention paid to such details. I am appending both versions of this song here. The Lata/Ira Nagrath version is shorter than the Lata/Meena Kapoor version. I am still not sure which version was in the film v/s which was in the record. I am guessing that Meena Kapoor sang in the film. The rest of this post is IMHO. Now as to the singer herself, I believe that "Anokha pyaar" represents her best work to date. She brings an emotion and intensity to the songs that Lata was not able to do in her versions. However, one must also remember that this was a very very young Lata. Over the years, that voice quality and emotion grew, till she did it better than most anybody else. Meena Kapoor's voice was lovely, but never in the league of the Mangeshkar sisters (specifically Lata and Asha). I always wondered why she did not make it big herself, especially with a composer like Anil Biswas as her husband. But after listening to several of her other songs, I realized that her voice is limited in its range and style. One of the things that the greats like Lata, Asha, Rafi, Kishore, Mukesh, etc did was to take even an ordinary (sometimes bad) tune and convert it into something much better. This was a quality that is not present in all singers, even those with lovely voices like Meena Kapoor, Mubarak Begum, etc. And so, if a composer/producer could afford one of the top tier, they continued along that line. After all, if we were all composers, we would want our songs to be rendered by nobody but the best. Even Anil Biswas himself has used Lata a lot more than Meena Kapoor. Well that is my analysis du jour |
fiftysomeone |
Jul 13 2005, 08:38 AM
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Sangeetbhakt saab,
You did the right thing by shifting the discussion to this forum. Thx for the exhaustive explanation as well - makes sense. Cheers |
p1j |
Jul 13 2005, 12:15 PM
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Repost of one of my posts on RMIM on this song
In Love with a song - Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai My first (and to an extent last) introduction to the song was about 15-16 years back when I got to see the movie on Doordarshan.... Since then I have never been able to get the song out of me.. Dont know why but I have lived and listend the song (only) in my memories... Memories to Cherish forever.. the song proves it.. infact the song was one of the catalyst to start the Chitrahaar quiz... First the film... Chhoti Chhoti Baatien was a dream of Motilal.. He not only played the lead but tried his hand at direction too (for the first and last time)... Motilal though was one of the most natural actors of Indian Films, it seems he was highly inspired with Charlie Chaplin and his films.. He never tried to immitate chaplin and did the chaplin acts in his own Natural style...His Mastana (mid 50's) was the remake of Chaplin's The Kid... and Chhoti Chhoti Baatein.. IMO it was loosley based on Chaplin's Limelight... This I felt when I watched the movie... From what I can recollect... CCB was a story of an old man good at heart, when he gets retired from his job, doesnt treated well by his family, he moves to a village, where he meets Nadira, a young vidrohi sort of lady (who better than Nadira.. did she played a widow? cant recollect).. The two shares a strong bond and their relationship becomes aankh ka kaanta of Gaon wala's... The story was well supported by small episodes of comic, funny, emotional, touching shades... almost all shades in Chhoti Chhoti Baatein.. Motilal's death during prior to the release of CCB, was a not only a loss of a great actor, he was... but a great director what he could be... CCB is a showcase of that... Music wise, CCB holds a special place in HFM as it was the last film of Anil Biswas..The film had not one but two Swan songs... Zindagi Khwab hai for Motilal and Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai for Anil Biswas (and Meena Kapoor)..great lyrics by Shailender... Zindagi ka ajab fasana hai is another popular mukesh-lata duet from the film.. but the song I am in love with is Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai... the song got my immediate attention when I was watching the film.. The song was picturised on Nadira in a boat and even today the frame is freezed in my memories, .. I searched for the song for many years wih many recording wala's to no avail (even posted on RMIM about 5 years back).. as Nida Fazli said... 'Mil jaaye to mitti hai, kho jaaye to sona hai...' Truely a gold song for me... Last year, I got to know that a Nadira interview is sheduled on Vividh Bharti..I was sure if she plays some songs, she would definately play this one.. and she played the song in the end.. unfortunately the version I recorded was not a good one.. still in search of a good recording...Simply one of my favourite songs... isn't it one of the most appropriate swan songs considering the fact Anil Biswas said Alvida to Film industry... Some films and some songs leaves a forever impact on you... This song is one of them...still remains gold for me... Song : Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai Film : Chhoti Chhoti Baatein (1965) Singer : Meena Kapoor Music : Anil Biswas Lyrics : Shailender Picturised on : Nadira Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai, kuchh aur hai zid mere dil ki - 2 mein baat zamane ki manoo, ya baat sunu apne dil ki kuchh aur zamana kehata hai... duniya ne hamein berahami se thukara jo diya, achcha hi kiya - 2 nadaan hum samajhe baithe the -2 nibhati hai yahaan dil se dil ki kuchh aur zamana kehata hai... insaaf, mohabbat, sachchaai -2 wo rahmo-karam ke dikhlaave kuchh kahate zabaan sharmaati hai -2 poochho na jalan mere dil ki kuchh aur zamana kehata hai... go basti hai insaano ki insaa magar dhoondhe na mila -2 paththar ke buton se kya keeje -2 fariyaad bhalaa toote dil ki Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai, kuchh aur hai zid mere dil ki - 2 mein baat zamane ki manoo, ya baat sunu apne dil ki kuchh aur zamana kehata hai... ------------------------------------ Pavan Jha pavanjha@gmail.com ------------------------------------ |
bchatterjee |
Jul 16 2005, 08:52 PM
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DEJAVU
After listening to this wonderful song, I was in deep thoughts as to where before have I heard this kind of tune!? It is close to a type of Bengali classical tune, or even sounded at times like devotional songs of Goddess Kali (Shymasangeet). Then I made the connection as I read more about anil Biswas. He was trained by the GREAT GREAT KAZI NAZRUL ISLAM.......O My God!!! That's the connection......Kazi Nazrul Islam, though a muslim was a devotee of Kali and had composed wonderful Kali songs....this tune was used there!!!!! I love you Anil Da......you are a great among the greatest!!!! Bappa SORRY I cannot help but wonder again????? What is it that people found in Lata annd Asha as compared to Meena Kapoor that made the Mangeshkar sisters on the top??????!!!!!! |
shivani |
Aug 2 2005, 10:30 AM
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Hello Everybody.
I first heard (rather saw) this song years ago in that episode of "Gaata Jaye Banjara" which featured songs done by couples.. and have been hooked to this one ever since... and have not been able to find it . I dont even find people who know about the song... with the song but was not able to downlaod it from this site.. seems it is purged or not allowed:(( I finally found someone .. a lot here.. actually.. who know about the song and might have it as well. Can one of you be please kind enough and send it to me.. many thanks and regards Shivani |
tehrijack |
May 30 2006, 02:07 PM
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can someone again upload that song, plz plz
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rom |
May 30 2006, 02:24 PM
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It's available at:
http://music.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=197708 You'd have to sign up at cooltoad to download this song... THE INTELLIGENT MUST MAKE CONCESSIONS! |
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