Do You Know Any Pair Of Almost Identically Tuned Songs Of Rafi Saab?, I Now Know Not Eleven, But Twlve Pairs! |
Do You Know Any Pair Of Almost Identically Tuned Songs Of Rafi Saab?, I Now Know Not Eleven, But Twlve Pairs! |
usrafian |
Sep 18 2008, 10:10 AM
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Venkat-ji, These two songs sound similar in both Mukhda and Antara: Tang Aa Chuke Hai (Pyaasa/1957/SDB) AND Humko Tumhare Ishq Ne (Ek Musafir Ek Haseena/1962/OPN) The former has no music, whereas the latter has the tabla and harmonium. Could OPN have been inspired by SDB, or is this tune from another source ?. PA Ji, Yes, this tune is from other source. I agree with Venkat Ji. Yes, both the songs have same tune based on the popular tune used to sang 'Nazm(?)' during 'Mushairaa'. Qawwaalee is also a outcome of 'Musahiraa'. We can put these in Folk-tune category. Similarly 'Bhangra' is a Folk-tune. All folk-tunes are having their unavoidable respective 'Chaal' hence I don't think it is fair to put these in 'similar tune' songs. 'Tang Aa chuke Hain' was also sang by Asha in Tower House(1958) composed by N.Datta, with some different tune. 'Ye Hawaa Ye Raat Ye Chandini' by Sajjad Hussain 'Tujhe Kya Synaauun Main Dilruba' by Madan Mohan Both these Ghazals are having same tune.. Madan Mohan had fully agreed that here I have used Sajjad Sahab's tune. USR This post has been edited by usrafian: Sep 18 2008, 10:14 AM Dil Shaad Tha Ke Phool Khilenge Bahaar Mein
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princeali |
Sep 18 2008, 06:47 PM
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Thanks for all of the infomation USR-ji, appreciate it !
The MM-Sajjad story is interesting. Talat sang the song extremely well, but I felt Rafi went one up on him with his powerful rendition. Prince Ali |
oye_sonu |
Sep 24 2008, 08:54 PM
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Bhangra (1958) - Jatt Kudiyaan To'n Darda Maara - Rafi Sahab & Shamshad Begum (Punjabi) MD - Hansraj Behl Lyricist - Verma Malik 6:25/160kbps Reporter Raju (1962) - Mujhe Dekh Na Kudiye Mud Ke - Rafi Sahab & Asha Bhonsle MD - S.Mohinder Lyricist - Anjaan 5:09/160kbps Both the songs have only Mukhdas and no Antaras. And the Mukhdas of both songs are identical and hence both songs are identical in tune. S.Mohinder from Punjab must have heard the co-Punjabi, Hansraj Behl's Punjabi song and must have waited for an opportunity to lift it. Many thanks for this discovery, Anu Ji. Venkat frds both songs are based on Punjabi folk tune. So similarity has to be there. and no composer is inspired by other ! one more song based on same tune is RAfi 's - Ude jab jab teri zulfein ! may be the best one on this tune Its again is by punjabi composer - OPN !~ in lil hurry ! Sonu forgive me if I miss replying or reading ur post............bit busy :-( !
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amwhouthinkiam |
Sep 29 2008, 03:39 PM
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Here's another one by Rafi Saab; I am not sure if this has been posted earlier:
Chori Chori Ik Ishaara Ho gaya Hai (Movie: Basant-Cast-Shammi Kapoor, Nutan) Aaj Koi Pyaar Se, Dil Ki Baatein Keh Gaya (Movie:Kashmir Ki Kali-Cast-Shammi Kapoor,Sharmila Tagore) |
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May 6 2010, 09:07 PM
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So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs. Pair 1 1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha 2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet! 1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi 2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi 3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi Pair 3 1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata 2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha Pair 4 1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi 2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi Pair 5 1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi 2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi Pair 6 1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi Pair 7 1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi 2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi Pair 8 1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi Pair 9 1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi 2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit Pair 10 1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi 2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha More later. Venkat Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs. Venkat Friends, I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day! I thank all those who gave their inputs for this thread!! Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
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simplefable |
May 7 2010, 09:20 AM
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I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day! Venkat..that is one heartening news !! Shows the kind of Zeal this forum members have...And as a longtime listener of Vividhbarati, am sure this has brought immense happiness to you personally. How did this whole thing happen ?? can you explain us ? After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.
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venkat |
May 8 2010, 06:56 PM
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So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs. Pair 1 1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha 2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet! 1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi 2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi 3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi Pair 3 1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata 2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha Pair 4 1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi 2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi Pair 5 1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi 2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi Pair 6 1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi Pair 7 1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi 2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi Pair 8 1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi Pair 9 1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi 2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit Pair 10 1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi 2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha More later. Venkat Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs. Venkat Friends, I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day! I thank all those who gave their inputs for this thread!! Venkat Friends, It is reconfirmed that these songs would be featured in Vividhbharati's Chhayageet program at 10 P.M on Sunday, the 9th of May! Please do listen and comment!! Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
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Exon |
May 8 2010, 10:26 PM
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Friends, It is reconfirmed that these songs would be featured in Vividhbharati's Chhayageet program at 10 P.M on Sunday, the 9th of May! Please do listen and comment!! Venkat Venkat, Vividh Bharati doesn't reach our area. Would it be possible to record the entire program? Thanks in advance, Exon |
venkat |
May 9 2010, 07:17 PM
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Exon,
Please try this link to listen to Vividhbharati online! http://www.voicevibes.net/ Else, I will try to upload the recording! Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
Mohammed Rafi: Highest Quantity Of Greatest Quality In Mind-boggling Variety!!! |
Exon |
May 9 2010, 10:59 PM
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Venkat,
Thanks a lot for the link. Got the link working on my Mac. Missed the program due to time difference; it was running 'Aap Ki Farmaaish'. However, I have most songs from the list. Listening to Vividh Bharati after a long time. Listening to radio music is great experience; always surprise songs appear. Exon |
venkat |
May 9 2010, 11:14 PM
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Dedicated Member Group: Members Posts: 4889 Joined: 11-September 06 From: Hyderabad, India Member No.: 6841 |
So far, this is the list of identically tuned pairs of Rafi songs. Pair 1 1. "Ek Chameli Ki Mandwe Tale"--Film: Cha Cha Cha(1964)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi--Rafi and Asha 2. "Aaj Mausam Ki Masti Mein Gaaye Pawan"--Film:Banarasi Thug(1962)---MD:Iqbal Quereshi---Rafi and Lata Pair 2---This is actually a Triplet! 1. "Tu Hind Bane Ya na Musalmaan Banega, Insaan Ki Aulad"---Film:Dhool Ka Phool(1959)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi 2. "Kya Kya Na Sitam Tujh Pe Huve Mehlon Ki Raani"---Film:Mohini(1957)---MD:N.Datta---Rafi 3. "Gham Hon Ke Sitam Tu Kabhi Aansoo Na Bahana"--MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960)--MUSIC : RAVI--Rafi Pair 3 1. "Main Kal Phir Milungi"--Film:Dr.Vidya(1962)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Lata 2. "Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein"--Film:Kaise Kahoon(1964)--MD:SDB--Rafi & Asha Pair 4 1. "Parwadigarey Aalam Tera Hi Hai Sahara....Film: Haatim Tai(1956)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi 2. "Choota Watan Hamara ,Hafiz Khuda Tumhara...Film:Khuda Ka Banda(1957)--MD:S.N.Tripathi--Rafi Pair 5 1."Agar Milgayi Mujhko, Rah-e-Madina, Mohammed Ke Nakshe"--Islamic devotional--Rafi 2. "Unhe Qissa-e-Gham"--Non-Filmi--Rafi Pair 6 1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi Pair 7 1. "Har Bekass Ke GhamKhaar Ho Tum"--Islamic Devotional--Md:Khayyam--Rafi 2. "Mere Geeton Ka Singhaar Ho Tum"--Non-Filmi--MD:Khayyam--Rafi Pair 8 1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi Pair 9 1."So Ja Sanam Teri Jawan Palkon Tale"--Film:Rocky Mera Naam(1973)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi 2. "Pyaar Lage Raat Aur Din Ka Yeh Milan Pyar Ki"--Film:Habari(1979)--MD:Sapan Jagmohan--Rafi & Sulakshana Pandit Pair 10 1. "Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove"---Film:Baap Bete(1959)---MD:Madan Mohan--Rafi 2. "Kaun Yeh Aaya Mehfil Mein"---Film:Dil Deke Dekho(1959)--MD:Usha Khanna---Rafi & Asha More later. Venkat Here is the updated list of ten identical pairs (both on Mukhda and Antara) of Rafi Saab's songs. Venkat Friends, I am glad to inform you that Vividhbahrati, Mumbai, through their senior announcer, Yunus Khan, has taken from me the list of these ten pairs of almost identically tuned (both on Mukhda and Antara) songs. They are going to use these inputs for their Chayageet program on Sunday, the 9th May, subject to reconfirmation of the exact date/day! I thank all those who gave their inputs for this thread!! Venkat Friends, Yunus Khan Ji , a senior presenter of Vividhbharati, with a voice like Ameen Sayani's, had done a great job of presenting our Rafi's identically tuned pairs, that we brought to light in this thread! Tonight's Chayageet was the part-I of the program. In tonight's program, Yunus Khan Ji had covered three identical pairs, Pair No.2, Pair No.4 and Pair No.10, mentioned in the above list!! The other pairs would be covered in another Chayageet program to be announced. By the way, Yunus Khan Ji was kind enough to mention and acknowledge my name at the end of tonight's Chayageet. He said, "Ek Hi Dhun Pe Banye Gaye Yeh Jodiyan Aap Tak Laane Mein Hamare Hyderabad Ke Shrota, Venkat Ji, Ke Saujany Thaa!"!!!! Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
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Exon |
May 10 2010, 09:19 PM
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Venkat,
This evening (around 6pm IST), Vividh Bharati replayed the program. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to it. Thanks for the link. Exon |
venkat |
Sep 11 2010, 01:40 PM
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Friends,
Just now the ELEVENTH (11TH) identically tuned Pair (of Rafi songs) too is identified by one friend, Anil Goyal!!! 1. "Aag Raag Se Aag Lagaa Do, Aag Lagaa Do"--Film: Sultan-e-Alam--1956---MD:S.Mohinder--Rafi Saheb & 2. "Iss Gulshan Ko Aag Lagaa Do, Aag Lagaa Do"---Film:Zarak Khan--1963--MD:S.Mohinder---Rafi & Suman Here too, the MD is same for both and is S.Mohinder. First film is of 1956 and the next is of 1963!!!! Venkat This post has been edited by venkat: Sep 11 2010, 02:34 PM I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
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Faraaj73 |
Sep 11 2010, 06:20 PM
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1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi 1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi Appreciate if some member (probably Venkat) can kindly upload the two Islamic versions of the famous Naushad compositions. Kind Regards Faraaj Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. - Victor Hugo There is only one better thing than music - live music. - Jacek Bukowski I hate music, especially when it's played. - Jimmy Durante No good opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible. - W. H. Auden |
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Sep 11 2010, 08:01 PM
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1. "Hue Hum Jin Ke Liye Barbaad"--Film:Deedar(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad"--Islamic Naat--Rafi 1. "Pyar Ke Sagar Se Nikli--Ek Jhoot Hai Jis Ka Duniya Ne"--Film:Jadoo(1951)--MD:Naushad--Rafi 2. "Jab Se Nabi Aankhon Mein--Yeh Haal Hai Mera Kursat Mein" --Islamic Devotional-Rafi Appreciate if some member (probably Venkat) can kindly upload the two Islamic versions of the famous Naushad compositions. Here is one of those two, Faraaj! 1. Basi Hai Dil Mein Nabi Ki Yaad (Identical to Deedar-1951 song) I seem to have lost the other one that is identical to Jadoo-1951 song!!! Let's request someone else to upload that again!! Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
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