Purani Yaadein

Hi
I wish I could answer your question.I do not know the answer. I know of at least one more from Madari: 'Kal jehde san lakhpati'.I might upload that next if I can find it. Harjinder

This post has been edited by Harjinder: Mar 11 2009, 07:00 AM

Madari-Kal jehde san lakhpati aj palle koi nahin dhella, wich kitaaban likhiya duniyan char dinaan da mela_G.M Durrani MD A.R.Qureshi ( Courtesy Mr. Dharamvir)
Bit Rate 96 kbps
Duration 02:35 min
Year 1950
Format MP3

This post has been edited by Harjinder: Mar 12 2009, 01:27 AM

Guddi-Pyar de bhulekhe kinne sohne sohne kha gaye door door jaande jaande nede nede aa gaye-Mohammad Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar MD Hans aj Behl
Bit Rate 28 kbps
Duration 03:23 min
Year ?
Format MP3

Harjinder Ji

Interesting upload....I would not have expected a person of Ustad AR Qureshi's stature to be "inspired" so blatantly....the original of course was the Naushad 1943 composition Aaye Jawani, Jaaye Jawani...but not a bad listen....

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Faraaj

Hi
I am impressed more by A.R. Qureshi's mastery of tabla than of his composing abilities. Lifting a tune is pretty common in Bollywood. Some of our well known composers are known to have indulged in this practice. Harjinder

Thanks Harjinder ji for the upload.
Even though it may be a copy Durrani sahab has sung it well. In one or two songs I have seen him struggle with the pronounciation but this one sounds nice to me. Chorus lady only has "koi na" to say but seems to have a sweet voice. I guess we wouldn't know who she is.

Chhai-Maar gandasa mar jaana kissi ko batana na-Mohammad Rafi MD Hans Raj Behl
Bit Rate 128 kbps
Duration 03:24 min
Year 1949
Format MP3
I read many months back, somewhere on this website that this song is a parody of an Ameer Bai Karnataki Hindi/Urdu song.Reference to Kaawan sabh tan khaawin also goes back to Baba Farid's shloka ' Kaga karg dhandoliya sagla khaaya maas. Aeh doiye naina mat chhohe mohe pir dekhan ki aas'.

This post has been edited by Harjinder: Mar 14 2009, 07:46 AM

Hi
I have been under the impression that people in Pakistan's Peshawar area i.e. Suba Sarhad (or North West Frontier Province) speak and understand Punjabi well. I had read that Dillip Kumar could speak Punjabi well. All the Kapoors that I have seen or heard from Peshawar area are fluent in Punjabi. I have seen and heard Raj Kapoor use Punjabi proverbs in his T.V. Interviews. I remember him using this proverb ' Maan janendi sat, bhag naan dendi wand'( Mother can give birth to seven children but cannot equally distibute their luck or fortune). Recently on one T. V. program shown on an obscure Dish Network channel in a documentary the lead singer of Pakistani group' Junoon' had a conversation with a Mulla sahib from Peshawar. This Mulla sahib had a takhallus of 'Bijli ghar' alluding to his fiery sermons. He read a najm in tarannum near the end of their conversation and that najm also was in Punjabi.Considering all this and the way he sang these two Punjabi songs, I can assume with some validity that G. M Durrani was also a Punjabi speaker.Harjinder

This post has been edited by Harjinder: Feb 18 2011, 07:04 AM

Hi
I do not know who this singer is but 'Jamura' in a street show is often an adolescent male sidekick of the street performer or Madari. Harjinder

This post has been edited by Harjinder: Oct 29 2009, 06:04 AM

Harjinder Saab

A large number of Kashmiri's (punjabi speakers) settled in Peshawar, several generations before partition. They are called Pakhori (as are other groups like Punjabi settlers) and their punjabi dialect is still spoken in Peshawar....remember that centuries ago Maharaja Ranjit Singh did forcibly grab Peshawar from the Afghans and make it part of his empire.

In another large part of NWFP - Hazara - the language spoken is called hazara, but to my ear its just a less sweet form of punjabi. The former Pak President Ayub Khan was from that region.

In the case of the Kapoors, Prithviraj's father was in the police and was posted to both Peshawar and Central Punjab (I believe Sargodha/Bhalwal side) for stretches of time. Was he a Peshawari (read Kashmiri) who spoke punjabi or a punjabi who spoke Pushto? We would have to go back several generations before Prithviraj to known for certain.....its the same for Dilip as well. He could very well be of Kashmiri origin.

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Faraaj

There were many punjabis settled in peshawar. I can tell this with 100% certainty. (All my grandparents are from there). Prithviraj Kapoor was a Punjabi only (my grandfather knew the family. Families were close knit then. Most people knew most people). There were Pashto speakers also in Peshawar and in some cases inter-marriage also happened between them. (My grandfather's grandmother was a Pashto speaking lady from Kabul for example). There was a huge population of Punjabis there who were NOT Kashmiries in many areas of Peshawar. They called themselves Pishori as opposed to Pakhori. Unfortunately post-partition all were forced to migrate or convert so their culture slowly faded away in Peshawar. These days of course Pashto is getting a big hold there due to obvious influx of Afghan refugees. From what I've heard of Dilip Sahab he is a Pathan.

Even in Durrani sahab's song Koi main jhooth boleya he's taking some efforts to pronounce "jhooth" and "dhela" a bit if you notice to get the accent right (especially on the first word).

This post has been edited by hildebrand: Mar 14 2009, 01:29 PM

Here's one example I am talking about.

This song is from Khursheed Anwar's first film Kurmai(1941). he doesn't get hinj pronounciation properly and seems to be making efforts. But his young voice is really sweet must say.

Dil Hinj Hinj Karda
Kurmai(1941)
G.M. Durrani
128 kbps
02:53

But yes I agree he gets most words right so he was acquainted with the language. No doubt about that.
Its important to mention here that G.M. Durrani sahab was the assistant MD for this movie as well.

Hildebrand

Thanks for the song. Never heard it before. Actually haven't heard much of Khursheed Anwar period. Like Frank Sinatra admired and wanted to emulate Bing Crosby, and eventually far surpassed him in fame and recognition, Rafi too admired GM Durrani. His two hindi songs - Neend Hamari Khwab Tumhare and Haath Seene Pe Jo Rakh Do Tho Qarar Aa Jaaye are immortal.

My reference to the Kashmiri settlers was just to show the geographical range of settlers/ethnicities in Peshawar. There are certainly a large number of Punjabis in Peshawar as well, but then Central Punjab is virtually adjacent to Peshawar - only 90 minutes from Rawalpindi by Motorway if you behave yourself!

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Faraaj

hmm. Two questions:-
1. Which is this song Neend Hamari Khwab Tumhare by G.M. Durrani. Do upload it.
2. What happens when one doesn't behave himself!

Hildebrand

Madhavi (mmuk2000) uploaded Neend Hamari on the Shyam Sunder thread earlier this week. Its from Nai Kahani (1943). I'm sure you've heard it but couldn't recollect it immediately from the words....

When one doesn't behave himself,
a) You reach the chosen destination a few minutes earlier, without stopping to think if the risks were worth it.
You get stopped by a cop and
(i) Get challaned OR
(ii) Pay a bribe
c) You have an accident...none of the potential outcomes of which is pleasant to contemplate....

Kind Regards
Faraaj