Vintage Songs By Mohammed Rafi

Thanks ever so much. I've been dying to lay my hands on this one. I hope you also have the other Rafi number from the same film :

KaheeN qaraar na ho aur kaheeN khushee na mile
Hamaare baad kisee ko ye zindagee na mile

Friends, Rafians, and Forum members. Lend me your ears. And a good pair at that.

Yes Sajdah, while you do not have any doubt in your mind that it's the voice of Asha in her youth, I too have no doubt in my mind that it is the voice of Lata in her youth and that too especially in the last stanza. I listened carefully to three versions of the song to come to this conclusion.

But the truth could be altogether different from how people (such as you and I) perceive its manifestations to be, even if there is no doubt in one's minds. To my mind, the only way to resolve this issue is to ask Lata or Asha and hope that they do not lie (and they wouldn't unless there was some serious moral hazard involved).

That is why I was talking about none of us having any access to any of the sisters. The famous sisters would not be mistaken (unless senility/amnesia robs them of their memory) even if the film-makers and/or music companies all made mistakes.

I agree with you that if even millions agree on a false statement, it still does not become true. But that is besides the point of my initial comments. Surinder Bhai talked about resorting to the use of widely published statements/assertions. It is highly unlikely that over an extended period of time widely publicized items will not respond to critical feedback and not self-correct themselves. So we cannot simply brush aside these items just because they go against our perceptions of the truth. We need proof that they were wrong. Just because they might have been wrong in the past we cannot generalize in every case. We need to go case by case each time we have problems with their assertions. Thank you for your patience.

Binod.

Suhana, jealousy gnaws away the heart and mind. It is bad for your health. I will hand over the magic wand to you if you bribe me properly, which is to drop the heavy weight letters "ji" from the back of my name. Thanks.

Binod.

Steven Brother:

I feel like an old horse that is trying to keep up with a speeding Shinkansen (Japanese bullet train I rode from Tokyo to Kyoto in 1989). Your uploads are coming faster than I can say thank you. Let me thank you before you begin your next round.

Binod.

Binodji, if you would go through the posts at the link that you kindly provided, it's apparent that at least half of the stalwarts who participated in that 2005 discussion believed after listening to the song that the voice is of Asha Bhosle.

Here are some of their quotes:

Sangeetbhakt : "Actually I think it is Asha, a very very young Asha whose voice had still not
deepened enough to distinguish it from Lata's thinner voice. The part that made
me think it was Asha was right at the end of her first part where she says "o mai
haar gayi" and there is a laTka in the voice which she used a lot with OPN later
on. Again, it is hard to be 100% certain, but I shall be content believing it is
Asha.”

Mohd 2004 : “Thanks Priya for a rare song. This track has created a very interesting situation. The female voice for me sounds more of Ashaji not Lataji, maybe I am wrong. Lataji's voice was more matured as she did around 80 songs in 1948 and around 100 songs in 1949 and already hit the charts with block-busters like Ayega Anewala (MAHAL-1949), uthayeja unke sitam (ANDAZ-1949), Hawa me udta jaye (BARSAAT-1949) and so on. We have not heard much songs of Ashaji during late forties and the song in question from EK THI LADKI as per www.. is shown as released in 1949. IMOP, if we say its Lataji then this voice does not match with other tracks of the same film credited to Lataji, like " Laralappa laralappa , Ye shokh sitare, ghir ghir ke aye badarwa sajanwa na ja etc.
Also since this looks like a record version -78 RPM, it may be quite possible that Ashaji voice was used for this one and Lataji's voice was used for the film-version
Hence VN book should be OK here.
This can also be confirmed by obtaining the film version (VCD/DVD) of the same song.
Aslo we can post this question in RMIM and get views.
Mohd.”

Hits: “All my sources of information tell me that this is Lata's voice. Personally, when I listen to the song, I would guess it to be Asha's voice though. Looks like I'll have to ask my mule!”

Rom: “Sounds more like Ashaji than Lataji to me.”




Everything that gets written cannot be the gospel Truth.

Oh, and it takes courage to stand up for what you believe in. I am glad that i am not in a minority, there are many others ( And i don't count any of the names mentioned above ), Balaji sahab may be just one of them.

Sajdah

Yes Sajdah, there were quite a lot of people who thought that it was Asha's voice but nevertheless stated quite clearly that they were "not 100% certain" which shows that they had the humility to signal that they were not competent enough to have the final say. I'm not too much worried about how many people voted for Asha or not. I do not go by numbers alone. Nor am I so much bothered about the dynamics that prevailed during the discussion. Of interest to me is the outcome of the discussion. The final say was made by Unni and even Hits rushed over to his side to agree with him. After that there was no further discussions or rebuttals/counter arguments, which reveals that the participants were not inclined to continue the discussion in the direction of their original premises. Either all of them had no guts to stick to their own guns or were just trying to appease Unni through fake agreement, if the truth had not finally dawned upon them.

But our current discussion scenario here is completely different from what transpired in the early days of February 2005. We are now all in entrenched positions. You and Balaji. Surinder Dhall and I. Unlike in the previous occasion we are all 100% certain that we have the correct information. So there is no ground for further discussion unless Lata or Asha comes to the rescue.

Once when there was a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest I believe the real guy came out a poor 12th out of 15 finalists. Most people do not have discriminating or discerning powers but I do not believe that you are one of them. So by default it must be my own ears that must have grown faulty over the years without my ever having noticed it. I must, therefore, humbly sing "Are main haar gaya" before I say adieu to this discussion.

Binod.

PS:

Sajdah, some key words from your previous quotes:

Sangeetbhakt : "Actually I think it is Asha .."

Mohd 2004 : "The female voice for me sounds more of Ashaji not Lataji .."

Hits: "All my sources of information tell me that this is Lata's voice. Personally, when I listen to the song, I would guess it to be Asha's voice though."

Rom: "Sounds more like Ashaji than Lataji to me. .."

Note in none of the respondents is there any element of certainty as in your or Balaji's case. Everywhere either only conjectures or perceptions/feelings are displayed in their statements.

B.

Like I said before it takes courage to stand up for what you believe in. Let‘s leave it at that, shall we?

Sajdah

Excellent uploads Steven and very good rare songs indeed.

Enjoy here this full song:

Movie: KHIDKI (1948)
Singer: Mohd. Rafi, Chitalkar(C.Ramchander), G.M. Sajan, Shamshad Begum, Lata & Mohantara Talpade
Music: C. Ramchander
Lyrics: Pyarel Laal Santoshi
Bitrate: 160 Kbps
Duration: 6.12 minutes

I woud request a better version of this nice song from the same movie "Khidki"

Song: Aji mera bhi koi haal suno.....Chahe zamana chahata bas fifty fifty.. fifty fifty
Movie: KHIDKI (1948)
Singer: Mohd. Rafi, Chitalkar(C.Ramchander), Shamshad Begum & Chorus
Music: C. Ramchander
Lyrics: Pyarel Laal Santoshi
Bitrate: 160 Kbps
Duration: 3.02 minutes
Sourced from: Radio

Steven Jee,

What a Stock You Have!!!. I am really surprised.

Fantastic Upload.

Thanks a TON.

Kamala Mohanty

Once Again

Many Many Thanks for your great en good effort.

Regards Faizel

Thanks a lot Stevenji for the rare gems. Aapke khazane se aur anmol gaanon ki intezar hai.

gop

I ALSO FIND FROM LATA SOONG BOOK--GANDHAR SAWARYATRA
ON PAGES NO-91 SONG 3363 SHOW RAFI-LATA.
I HAVE ASHA BOOK-GANDHAR BY VISWAS NERUKAR NAVER SHOW ASHAHAVE ANY SONG IN THIS MOVIE. I ALSO SENT MY SISTER SON AT SHAH MUSIC SHOP ASHA SONG FROM SAME MOVIE HE ALSO SAY NO ASHA SONG ONLY HAVE RAFI-LATA SONG.
100% LATA JI SONG.
DHALL

Thanks for the Khidki songs Mohd Bhai.

Binod.

Initially I too fell into the trap as most of the announcers of Radio Ceylon used to call it Lata and it is so as per Earthmusic.net. I don't know whether there is a Lata version in the movie. But the uploads which appeared many times in the forum and the one which is commonly heard on the radio is by Asha, and I'm sure of it.

--Balaji