Ghosts, Hauntings And Manifestations....???

So you agree that Satan "overpowering weak mortals", is part of His predestined plan.
Just as Satan itself is a part of God's creation.

Not all people succumb 2 evil temptation, do they? Why not?
B'coz the Almighty hadn't willed that all people in the world have a predisposition towards evil.

God had willed that Satan wud defy Him, and turn people astray from the righteous path, it's His Will that just as Satan wud be proved wrong on the Judgement day, so wud the people whom He created Evil wud get their just desserts.

So, actually what we are doing is executing His Will, when we think it's we who are making a choice.
We are not.

Noorie

Well, things will happen whether we want it or not. 'Coz we have no choice, remember?

All our choices have been pre-formulated by God Almighty.

Even if sumone 'chooses' 2 "sit back", he's only putting into action what's been pre-destined.

That's in keeping with the fatalistic theory of life.

Noorie

Now you make me very depressed noorie( with the fatalistic "KARMA" theory) ......i believe that my destiny is in my hands ......no doubt there are unforseen circumstances which may throw me off gear....but then i plan again shift gear and go on........ isn't that simpler?
I am stll waiting Ghostly Anticipation

Not really. Sum people wud love 2 flow along with the tide.

Did I say I am not one of them?

Reeth, have you tried watching / reading a spooky movie / book late at night ?
That's guaranteed to make anyone see ghostly visions in places where they've seen none b4!

Try the book first, nothing like a little imagination 2 spur you on the ghostly hunt.

Noorie

Noorie ji,
On the day of Judgement , Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) would go into sajdah ... lasting for days or years before God. Finally God would say ' Rise O Mohd. (Pbuh) What do you want' , then the Prophet will say "Ummah".
Then God would say " Fine .. you can go and get a third of your 'Ummah' back from Hell".

After getting his " Ummati" out of Hell, Prophet Mohd.(Pbuh) would go back into sajdah again ... & the same process is gonna go on till all the Ummati are going to be forgiven & placed in 'Heaven'.

This is how we are gonna be saved from hell fire ... finally.

God is not called "Zarra Nawaz" for no reason, If He sees even a slight glimpse of goodness in a person, He can grant him/her Heaven.
So it is our duty to walk on the path of Righteousness, & hope for the best. And not because God willed us to take the Right Or the Wrong path.
Man is not an animal, that he would be forgiven. Angels doesn't have hearts, so they won't do anything bad, its only Us who will be accounted for our deeds or misdeeds.

Haneef

Haneef, that is the Islamic view-point. A belief.

The other one is a fatalistic theory.

You can't possibly reconcile the two; it isn't worth trying.


Noorie

Then lets just go back to the topics on Ghostly sightings Noorie Ji,

Haneef

You are an Enigma noorie....i do flow wit the tide most of the time... at least...
hey i dont want an imaginative ghost.....the real thing....i am waiting for that...

Sure, do you have more 2 share? Maybe?

Noorie

No, I don't.
I just used that excuse for a change of topic, b'cuz we never come to a common stand ever ... as usual, do we.

Haneef

An "enigma" and me? I cud say the same about you.

Reeth, you want 2 see the "real thing", then how about booking urself into Chillingham Castle said 2 be the most haunted castle in England.
Has dungeons, even a torture chamber.

CHILLINGHAM CASTLE

History

Chillingham Castle Has Protected Its Inhabitants For 800 Years. Having been owned by Earls Grey and their descendants since the 1200s, Chillingham Castle bears the scars of battle and has felt the sorrows of abandonment. The early beginnings of this Northumberland fortification date far back to the 1100s, following the Norman Conquest. A Norman nobleman, in hopes of providing his family with a prosperous estate, built the original watchtower of Chillingham, which would be used for centuries to warn inhabitants of potential invasion and bloodshed.

Due to its strategic location, many infamous characters have resided within the dark castle walls. One of the first visitors, though only residing within the watch tower, was England's King Edward I. Better known as “Edward Longshanks”, he stopped en route to war, where he was destined to fight the legendary Scottish hero William Wallace. His ancient room is still intact. Other residents were not guests, but were forced to call Chillingham home. Deserted inmates seized from numerous battles could be found counting down the depressing days of their imprisonment within the castle's shadowy depths. The torture chamber displays gruesome instruments used to inflict pain and punishment, such as a bed of nails, a stretching rack, thumb screws and branding irons, and the dungeon walls are etched with notes from its despondant population.

A witness to violence, Chillingham has also experienced it first hand. With raging armies to the north, attacks were not uncommon—thus explaining the many enhancements made to the castle’s defense system throughout history. It has a surrounding moat, a 12-foot-thick defense system and several towers, but after regularly accommodating the first unified King of Scotland and England on his journeys between the two nations, Chillingham began to be transformed. Violence faded, and in contradiction to previous reinforcements, Chillingham underwent an aesthetic makeover, replacing previous defenses with residential luxuries formerly unknown. It became a lavish estate with landscaped grounds and gardens, depicting the peace that would continue to sweep across the area of Northumberland, England and Scotland.

Centuries later, in a time more familiar, Chillingham was used as a barracks during the Second World War. Soon after, the castle fell into wretchedness haunted by infestation and rot. Though the castle was abandoned and the Grey family moved to a new home, the area would soon be restored to the magnificence that once radiated from within its core, and that can till be found today.

Hauntings

The name Chillingham Castle speaks for itself, as it is thought to be one of the most haunted castles in Britain. Unnerving accounts of ghost sightings from witnesses of both the past and present have given Chillingham its chilling reputation. The Blue Boy, or Radiant Boy, could possibly be the castle's most famous ghost. It used to be that at midnight, when the clock tower struck 12, there were fearful moans and cries coming from The Pink Room—a bedroom within the castle. After the moaning stopped, supposedly anyone in the bedroom would see a blurry image of a boy dressed all in blue, accompanied by a bright halo of light surrounding the four-poster bed. In the 1920s, a young boy’s remains were found by construction workers behind a 10-foot-thick wall and given a proper burial. Sightings of the Blue Boy have since ceased.

Another ghost believed to haunt the castle is that of Lady Mary Berkeley. In her time she was the wife of Ford, Lord Grey of Wark and Chillingham, and Earl of Tankerville. Having deserted his wife and their child, Berkeley was left to wallow in sorrow within the castle walls. The rustle of her dress is said to be audible as she wanders sadly through the hallways.



For now take a tour through this link:

Chillingham Castle

Noorie

And is that really important? Why so?

Noorie

You have a valid point, Haneef. I too don't actually believe in the paranormal stuff but some times you are scared of something unknown as I've already mentioned in my previous post or may be of aloneness. A normal man can never control his mind or his emotions--you cannot control laughter, the sorrow, the anger etc. and so also the fear. It requires really some yogic power to do so. Even the greatest ghost-buster will be suspicious of what is going on behind his back while entering the Chillingham castle.

Belief ( and so also the disbelief) is a preconceived mindset which we rarely budge from. The existence of ghosts and spirits may be still debatable but I've come across or heard of many persons who are said to be godly personalities and spiritual leaders and have millions of followers. May be they are very knowledgeable, pious and true to their virtues--I have reverence for such magnanimous personalities. But what surprises me is that many of my friends who are mad followers of one of such living dignitaries, see all supernatural powers in him. They see honey and vibhooti oozing out from his photo hanging on their living room wall and I cannot. It really embarrassed me once when I was there in a get together accidentally and I could not see the 'miracle' taking place when every body else in the room did. I was the odd man out and my friend jeered at me saying that the ...ji only shows all his chamatkars to his devotees only. Certainly it was not a bluff, but a belief (or maybe my disbelief?) There are were soon a no. of stories as to how the godman cured all incurable diseases with the touch of his hand, how the lost properties were gained and I was supposed to believe all this.

Certain activities, which we may call extraordinary capabilities or supernatural powers, are possible with yogic powers or will-power and they do have a scientific reasoning to some extent but we tend to exaggerate them out of proportions and end up in trash.

--Balaji

Cuz' for once ... I wanna' know how it feels to be on the winning side.
You seem to win all the conversations/arguments ... all the time.

Haneef