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Song #48:
Asha Bhosle - Are Sitamgar Ik Aur Todkar - Husn Aur Ishq (1966) - Ganesh - Asad Bhopali

Song is 5:06 min long, and at 128 Kbps CBR.

There is some confusion with the year -- various websites either say 1966 or 1968. Please confirm.

At first I thought Asad Bhopali was some raag But then he was a very good lyricist (as per initial search on Google -- could not get too much info on him -- Sir Sri -- info hain aapke paas on this lyricist ? )




(Hmmm...I uploaded this song in 12 seconds! I love my internet connection )

Song #49...

AshaB - Preet Basi Hain Meri Nas Nas Mein - Neela Aakash (1965) - Madan Mohan Kohli - Raja Mehdi Ali Khan

Song is 5:15 min long, and has a gorgeous quality of 256 Kbps avg VBR.


I know...everyone has this song...but I love it..so uploading it.






So - what is the different between CBR and VBR...answers coming up below....

I was pretty sure I had this song but my lists say I do not.
Going nuts with my lists and hdd and cassettes and cds and mp3 discs.

Thanks, Sani.
Have not had the time to experiment with Ur CBR and VBR stuff.
Tumhi bolo kya hai.

Lets take this time to go into the technical side of things for a bit....

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Internet definitions:

Constant Bitrate (CBR): Constant Bit Rate (CBR) encoding is an encoding method that varies the quality level in order to ensure a consistent bit rate throughout an encoded file.

Variable Bitrate (VBR): Variable Bit Rate (VBR) is an encoding method that ensures consistent high audio quality throughout an encoded file by making intelligent bit-allocation decisions during the encoding process. VBR encoding produces an overall higher and more consistent quality level than Constant Bit Rate encoding.
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Those are just fancy words -- here is what it means to me in my own words. MP3 files are not just any other music files, they are intelligent files. Their encoding is designed in such a way as to mimic the way the human brain recognizes sounds - which is to focus on the higher frequency & higher pitched sounds, and sort of ignore the lower frequency ones (unless u practice a lot with focusing on lower frequency sounds). MP3s mask strong audio signals over the weaker ones. I think MP3 concept was deveoped at the Franhauffer Institute in Germany.

With CBR files - you ignore a lot of the lower frequncy and extremely higher frequency areas of the song, so as to maintain file-size.

VBR files are catered to each song. If you notice the VBR Asha or Lata songs, and look at the bitrate as the song plays, you will find that as the voice/music change in pitch and frequency, so does the song's bitrate - it varies constantly. When the singer sings at at higher pitch, it goes as high as 256 or 320 Kbps...and when it is just music, it goes to 128 or 160 Kbps. These files are often larger too.

A 320 Kbps (average) VBR file has much more info/data/bits than a 320 Kbps CBR file. In conclusion - VBR files are better.

I wonder if U ppl are actually reading all this

Song #50

Well - half-century finally. At first I started this thread to bribe Priya and Nimz into becoming Lata fans -- but then it turned out to be a wonderful journey for me too. Discovered some amazing numbers of Asha. Thanks to everyone who helped me with the song info. And...I think I was acheved my original mission as well..!

Uploading a song below at 320 Kbps average VBR, and 4:38 min long. Have been listening to this song a lot over the last few weeks - just love the music! Sir Sri talked about Sonik-Omi and that info was very interesting & new to me, so the 50th song goes to this pair.

Asha Bhosle - Haye Nazar Baaz Saiyyan Nazariya Na Maro

film: Sawan Bhadon (director: Mohan Segal)
year: 1970
music: Sonik-Omi
lyrics: Verma Malik
starring: Rekha's debut release (not debut film).., Navin Nischal, Ranjeet

Here's some more interesting info for you, Sani.
Sawan Bhadon was not the first film for Rekha !!
Kuljit Pal - of the Pal Brothers from East Africa, contracted Rekha for her first movie with Biswajeet - 'Anjaana Safar' around 1968. In 'Anjaana safar' she was tricked into a kiss without any warning by Biswajit - as part of a plan for a photo feature with LIFE magazine. This scene did not get past the censors. Rekha's exclusive contract with the producers could not be enforced because she was a minor when she signed up. The movie could not be completed and was not released. That is how, Sawan Bhadon became her first release, in 1970.

However, 11 years after it was initially shot, this same film - with some remaining scenes being re-shot (this time with a much better looking Rekha) - was finally released in 1979 - under the name of 'Do Shikari' - produced by Kuljit Pal. Some scenes still looked incomplete and the film ends rather abruptly !! Rekha looks very young in 'Do Shikari' except for a few scenes which look like they were shot in the late 70s ....since Rekha looks more sophisticated and better made up in those scenes. But, for most of the film she looks very young and 'new'.

Another bit of connected info : Everyone knows that Amjad Khan's first film was the big budget 'Sholay' as Gabbar Singh. But actually, Sholay was not the first film of Amjad Khan ! He acted in another film - wearing costumes similar to Gabbar Singh in some scenes...as a bad guy of course...almost 7 years before Sholay was released. Unfortunately, this film got canned because the hero kissed the heroine...and it did not get released until 1979 (4 years after Sholay) and that too, with a new name. No marks for guessing which film that was !!!

Sri
P.S. All this info - collected from various sources and pieced together - courtesy my own research some months ago - because my curiosity was aroused when I saw this film - the DVD of which I had bought ...because it had music by Chitragupt !! I remember I had shared this interesting 'finding' with J at that time.

We are reading, Sani and it is very interesting. I always thot I was making batter files with CBR bec constant sounded so reliable!!!
That comes of reading science thro litt glasses.

But Ur vbr will finish my bw in a few days!!!!

Can someone also tell me why transparent audio--why is it transparent btw--160 and above sounds better on the music system but often hissy on the comp? Is it that an old comp just has an inferior sound card?

Haan Sir Sri...that's actually what I meant -- when I searched for Sawan Bhadon in Google to look for film's year of release..the first link I think says about this (not too much info though) - that it's her first release, not first film.

Didn't know at all about the Sholay thing!! So...what's the first film Mr.Khan worked in ???

I was waching the film Mera Gaon Mera Desh the other day -- it starred Amjad Ali Khan's father -- Jayant I think -- is that his real name ?? He is a good actor with an expressive face.

Thanks for the info.

Ahh...go to some cafe and download na. U R wunly downloading this onceeeeee ur lifetimeeeeee -- it's okay hence

Yes - it could be because of your sound card -- but I think it's the speakers too. Stereo speakers can tolerate more vibrations than Ur mamuli computer speakers - so better sound, I think.

Transparent Audio ??? Or U mean Transparent Cables for Audio/Video -- if so -- then they are just lossless cables that are pretty expensive and used by professional artists.

4 min song ko 8 mb bana diya.
Is rain mein cafe kaun jayega.

Yet U fail to see the humour in all this

Don't U dare ask someone to reduce quality for U *punch* -- the song is gorgeous -- and it deserves to be heard in the best of quality

ahhh.. a pleasure to watch the Master at his work ...

U are torturing me. With tantalising gifts dangled just a little too high.
Ur a bad kid. Wot is so humorous in all that?

More details about Mp3:

What is MP3
MP3 stands for MPEG Audio Layer III and it is a standard for audio compression that makes any music file smaller with little or no loss of sound quality. MP3 is part of MPEG, an acronym for Motion Pictures Expert Group, a family of standards for displaying video and audio using lossy compression. Standards set by the Industry Standards Organization or ISO, beginning in 1992 with the MPEG-1 standard. MPEG-1 is a video compression standard with low bandwidth. The high bandwidth audio and video compression standard of MPEG-2 followed and was good enough to use with DVD technology. MPEG Layer III or MP3 involves only audio compression.



Development of MP3 started back in 1987 in Germany at the Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen and its given name was the EUREKA project EU147, Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB). With the involvement of Professor Dieter Seitzer of the University of Erlangen an algorithm was developed and eventually became known as the ISO-MPEG Audio Layer-3 standard.


- History of MP3
* 1987 - The Fraunhofer Institut in Germany began research code-named EUREKA project EU147, Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB).
* January 1988 - Moving Picture Experts Group or MPEG was established as a subcommittee of the International Standards Organization/International Electrotechnical Commission or ISO/IEC.
* April 1989 - Fraunhofer received a German patent for MP3.
* 1992 - Fraunhofer's and Dieter Seitzer’s audio coding algorithm was integrated into MPEG-1.
* 1993 - MPEG-1 standard published.
* 1994 - MPEG-2 developed and published a year later.
* November 26, 1996 - United States patent issued for MP3.
* September 1998 - Fraunhofer started to enforce their patent rights. All developers of MP3 encoders or rippers and decoders/players now have to pay a licensing fee to Fraunhofer.
* February 1999 - A record company called SubPop is the first to distribute music tracks in the MP3 format.
* 1999 - Portable MP3 players appear.

What Can MP3 Do
Fraunhofer Gesellschaft has this to say about MP3:"Without Data reduction, digital audio signals typically consist of 16 bit samples recorded at a sampling rate more than twice the actual audio bandwidth (e.g. 44.1 kHz for Compact Discs). So you end up with more than 1.400 Mbit to represent just one second of stereo music in CD quality. By using MPEG audio coding, you may shrink down the original sound data from a CD by a factor of 12, without losing sound quality."

You will get the best results while creating Mp3 Files at the mode of VBR between 148 and 320 Kbts.
It depends also of the file type. When you have a sample where you don't have anny high instuments you will get the same result as you convert as lower bitrate. I use mostly the best codecs and update them oftenly to achhieve only the best Qality. When I am converting files I do it more then once and differant programm's but when you are using the Licenced Fraunhofer Institut SW it is asured that you will get the best result every time you use it. Afterall they have develloped and invented this file system and they always keep qality controles every now and then and if there are changes the SW companies comes with there updates.

To answer you Qestion Priya,
Can someone also tell me why transparent audio--why is it transparent btw--160 and above sounds better on the music system but often hissy on the comp?
>> This has to do with how sound reacts in a close room + Small Speakers AND how it reacts in a open room with large speakers. Music is not more then Sound vibrations what goes from A to B and in a close room it gets more faster and has more feedback then in a more open room. You also will notice when you are playing the same song on THE ORIGINAL Audio CD Format and a Best Qality Mp3 Format.
Play those on the stereo + PC Speakers. Compressed audio is more undetailed and ia more agressive for you ears. Therefore the most important of your PC and Stereo sytem is you SPEAKER SET, A good Speakers Set can create wonders for you ears and so we can listen to our favourite music with more joy and pleasure.

Is it that an old comp just has an inferior sound card?
No older Comp had mostly 16 Bit's Chipsets and were somway the half of what we now have
The Industry makes now 32Bits 96 Khz Sound cards so we can enjoy in Quadtruplicate form of our sounds.
And Ideal to this is to use best Qality Speakers set on your these sound cards.
So give attention to the files what you'r creating !!

So I hope I gave not too much tutorial.


Sound Eng. & Comp. Eng
MUKESHFAN